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Conclusion: NMH-1's True Ending really was that the entire story was either a daydream, or that the painting was made after the fact; and therefore NMH2 is really a sequel to the plain Ending.

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Conclusion: NMH-1's True Ending really was that the entire story was either a daydream, or that the painting was made after the fact; and therefore NMH2 [=NMH2=] is really a sequel to the plain Ending.



**** The paranormal mythology/background of killer7-verse still exists. Although Kunlan has been killed, hasn't been reincarnated, or has been made irrelevant with the changes brought by Henry the physics and mythical forces still exist just interact differently. Batt Jr would be vulgar but could exist in killer7verse with a change of political landscape. The Gardens of Madness exist in both verses as to other idiosyncrasies. Madness (or mono-focus and sheer belief and perception in defiance of reality) more explicitly in NMHverse can be utilized for temporal effect but its still a source of power in killer7verse. The problem is as Emir and T.Touchdown found out its a traitorous and unreliable power very dependent on it controlling and subverting you more than empowering and enabling you. Actually ALL the assassins have this problem. Walking a path of blood or crazy and finding they've lost something along the way. their names, their pasts, even Death Metal he likely hadn't succumbed suffered the fate of many high ranking criminals of material oppulence and no peace at home or within.

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**** The paranormal mythology/background of killer7-verse still exists. Although Kunlan has been killed, hasn't been reincarnated, or has been made irrelevant with the changes brought by Henry the physics and mythical forces still exist just interact differently. Batt Jr would be vulgar but could exist in killer7verse with a change of political landscape. The Gardens of Madness exist in both verses as to other idiosyncrasies. Madness (or mono-focus and sheer belief and perception in defiance of reality) more explicitly in NMHverse [=NMHverse=] can be utilized for temporal effect but its still a source of power in killer7verse. The problem is as Emir and T.Touchdown found out its a traitorous and unreliable power very dependent on it controlling and subverting you more than empowering and enabling you. Actually ALL the assassins have this problem. Walking a path of blood or crazy and finding they've lost something along the way. their names, their pasts, even Death Metal he likely hadn't succumbed suffered the fate of many high ranking criminals of material oppulence and no peace at home or within.



[[WMG: The schoolgirl with the double edged Katana in the NMH2 trailer is the daughter of Dr Peace]]

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[[WMG: The schoolgirl with the double edged Katana in the NMH2 [=NMH2=] trailer is the daughter of Dr Peace]]



In this timeline, the Assassins manage to wipe out the Templars completely, gathered all the Pieces of Eden on earth and promptly fucked themselves up with them that it made all of their descendants insane killers. Each ranked assassin that you find is suffering from side effects of whatever catastrophe their ancestors suffered from when the misused all the Eden pieces. No this theory has nothing to do with the fact this troper played NMH:DS and AC2 close together.

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In this timeline, the Assassins manage to wipe out the Templars completely, gathered all the Pieces of Eden on earth and promptly fucked themselves up with them that it made all of their descendants insane killers. Each ranked assassin that you find is suffering from side effects of whatever catastrophe their ancestors suffered from when the misused all the Eden pieces. No this theory has nothing to do with the fact this troper played NMH:DS and AC2 [=AC2=] close together.
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**** In Heroes Travis likely was just attacking other bad guys in gladitorial events on the black market with experimental weaponry set up by Sylvia and Naomi's parallel. When "peace" broke out he ended up a liability being the survivor of the crucible. The Heroes scam was initially set up to subvert and consolidate the assassins and likely test the paranormal technology of killer7-verse. This lead to the formation of the "modern" Smith Syndicate in its killer7 incarnation and Garcian's "loyalty test."

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**** In Heroes Travis likely was just attacking other bad guys in gladitorial events on the black market with experimental weaponry set up by Sylvia and Naomi's parallel. When "peace" broke out he ended up a liability being the survivor of the crucible. The Heroes scam was initially set up to subvert and consolidate the assassins and likely test the paranormal technology of killer7-verse. This lead to the formation of the "modern" Smith Syndicate in its killer7 incarnation and Garcian's "loyalty test."test" being the slaying of Travis so he wouldn't get out of hand.



**** The paranormal mythology/background of killer7-verse still exists. Although Kunlan has been killed, hasn't been reincarnated, or has been made irrelevant with the changes brought by Henry the physics and mythical forces still exist just interact differently. Batt Jr would be vulgar but could exist in killer7verse with a change of political landscape. The Gardens of Madness exist in both verses as to other idiosyncrasies. Madness more explicitly in NMHverse can be utilized for temporal effect but its still a source of power in killer7verse. The problem is as Emir and T.Touchdown found out its a traitorous and unreliable power very dependent on it controlling and subverting you more than empowering and enabling you.

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**** The paranormal mythology/background of killer7-verse still exists. Although Kunlan has been killed, hasn't been reincarnated, or has been made irrelevant with the changes brought by Henry the physics and mythical forces still exist just interact differently. Batt Jr would be vulgar but could exist in killer7verse with a change of political landscape. The Gardens of Madness exist in both verses as to other idiosyncrasies. Madness (or mono-focus and sheer belief and perception in defiance of reality) more explicitly in NMHverse can be utilized for temporal effect but its still a source of power in killer7verse. The problem is as Emir and T.Touchdown found out its a traitorous and unreliable power very dependent on it controlling and subverting you more than empowering and enabling you.
you. Actually ALL the assassins have this problem. Walking a path of blood or crazy and finding they've lost something along the way. their names, their pasts, even Death Metal he likely hadn't succumbed suffered the fate of many high ranking criminals of material oppulence and no peace at home or within.

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*** Judging by the normal ending this is what I am going with. Travis is parallel to Travis and died "on his first outing" (when he'd stopped with the ranking and tried honest assassination drawing the attention of the Smith Syndicate aka Emir Parkreiner). The break is that in killer7 Travis is background and simply exists to fulfill this role. The events in Killer7 being the abandoned "Heroes" game. T.Touchdown is Travis as canon gary stu in No More Heroes so he avoids the obvious failures and gets to stroll through life living a dream that still punctures holes in his ego but just enough he can survive and recover. With Desperate Struggle the Killer7 future is completely averted though similar forces will be at work.
**** In Heroes Travis likely was just attacking other bad guys in gladitorial events on the black market with experimental weaponry set up by Sylvia and Naomi's parallel. When "peace" broke out he ended up a liability being the survivor of the crucible. The Heroes scam was initially set up to subvert and consolidate the assassins and likely test the paranormal technology of killer7-verse. This lead to the formation of the "modern" Smith Syndicate in its killer7 incarnation and Garcian's "loyalty test."
**** Henry is likely the chaos butterfly here, ala the twins from Children of Dune. An unexpected twist he alters the history and intention of events by existing. Moving Sylvie to desperate conniving housewife from sugary honeytrap promoter and killing Emir Parkreiner. Off screen he beats his wings or just kills things or pollinates making events going off the rails.
**** The paranormal mythology/background of killer7-verse still exists. Although Kunlan has been killed, hasn't been reincarnated, or has been made irrelevant with the changes brought by Henry the physics and mythical forces still exist just interact differently. Batt Jr would be vulgar but could exist in killer7verse with a change of political landscape. The Gardens of Madness exist in both verses as to other idiosyncrasies. Madness more explicitly in NMHverse can be utilized for temporal effect but its still a source of power in killer7verse. The problem is as Emir and T.Touchdown found out its a traitorous and unreliable power very dependent on it controlling and subverting you more than empowering and enabling you.
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* The problem is, Ryuigi isn't fought at an akashic point!


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[[WMG: Henry will be the protagonist of the next game.]]
I mean come on, how cool would THAT be?
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Both are sweet (or at least Kimmy pretends to be) girls with a fondness for pink. Both have a creepy crush on the main protagonist. Both are surprisingly strong fighters. Both have no problems with physically hurting the one they love. Kimmy's battle theme even sounds like it was ripped from ''SonicAdventure''. In fact, they could be considered two sides of the same coin, the "sweeter" Amy and the "creepier' Kimmy.

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Both are sweet (or at least Kimmy pretends to be) girls with a fondness for pink. Both have a creepy crush on the main protagonist. Both are surprisingly strong fighters. Both have no problems with physically hurting the one they love. Kimmy's battle theme even sounds like it was ripped from ''SonicAdventure''. In fact, they could be considered two sides of the same coin, the "sweeter" Amy coin; Amy, who has her "sweetness" played up, and the "creepier' Kimmy.
Kimmy, who has her "creepiness" played up.
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[[WMG: "Travis Touchdown" is actually another codename]]
"Did I ever tell you about the time my buddy Keith bought a laser sword off the internet, left town and became an assassin?"
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Suda's stated that Travis won't be the protagonist in any of the future games, but I'll eat my own shoes if he doesn't make an appearance in the next game one way or another. How [[CrowningMomentOfAweome awesome]] would it be if he turned out to be a bonus boss of some sort, like Henry in the first game?

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Suda's stated that Travis won't be the protagonist in any of the future games, but I'll eat my own shoes if he doesn't make an appearance in the next game one way or another. How [[CrowningMomentOfAweome [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome awesome]] would it be if he turned out to be a bonus boss of some sort, like Henry in the first game?
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[[WMG: Travis will be the final boss of No More Heroes 3]]

Suda's stated that Travis won't be the protagonist in any of the future games, but I'll eat my own shoes if he doesn't make an appearance in the next game one way or another. How [[CrowningMomentOfAweome awesome]] would it be if he turned out to be a bonus boss of some sort, like Henry in the first game?
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* That would explain PWLBJ....
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** Or Medic is Travis's grandfather. After the events of TF2 Medic settles down with his family in Ireland, where his daughter marries a local by the name of Touchdown. Believing Travis to be the less talented of her sons, she decides to bring him up as a normal boy in America, while leaving her other son Henry with his grandfather to continue the family tradition as an assassin. Meanwhile BLU Scout opens a pizza joint back home in Boston called Pizza Bat. When he passes away at an early age due to BONK! overdose his son takes over the family business and turns it into a hugely successful chain. The rest becomes history.

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Both are sweet (or at least Kimmy pretends to be) girls with a fondness for pink. Both have a creepy crush on the main protagonist. Both are surprisingly strong fighters. Both have no problems with physically hurting the one they love. Kimmy's battle theme even sounds like it was ripped from ''SonicAdventure''. In fact, they could be considered two sides of the same coin, the "sweeter" Amy and the "creepier' Kimmy.

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Both are sweet (or at least Kimmy pretends to be) girls with a fondness for pink. Both have a creepy crush on the main protagonist. Both are surprisingly strong fighters. Both have no problems with physically hurting the one they love. Kimmy's battle theme even sounds like it was ripped from ''SonicAdventure''. In fact, they could be considered two sides of the same coin, the "sweeter" Amy and the "creepier' Kimmy.Kimmy.

[[WMG: Ryuji is Dark Star in the past.]]
Akashic points can do some pretty weird stuff, I guess.
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[[WMG:Suda51 is [[TouhouProject ZUN.]]

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[[WMG:Suda51 is [[TouhouProject ZUN.]]]]]]
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[[WMG:Suda51 is ZUN.]]

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**This makes some sense if the following is true...

[[WMG:Suda51 is ZUN.]]
NMH is what happens when ZUN decides to make a game while marathoning through a bunch of samurai movies and ''StarWars''.
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[[WMG: Kimmy is an alternate universe version of [[SonicTheHedgehog Amy Rose]]]]
Both are sweet (or at least Kimmy pretends to be) girls with a fondness for pink. Both have a creepy crush on the main protagonist. Both are surprisingly strong fighters. Both have no problems with physically hurting the one they love. Kimmy's battle theme even sounds like it was ripped from ''SonicAdventure''. In fact, they could be considered two sides of the same coin, the "sweeter" Amy and the "creepier' Kimmy.
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[[WMG: No More Heroes universe is an alternate time line of Assassin's Creed.]]
In this timeline, the Assassins manage to wipe out the Templars completely, gathered all the Pieces of Eden on earth and promptly fucked themselves up with them that it made all of their descendants insane killers. Each ranked assassin that you find is suffering from side effects of whatever catastrophe their ancestors suffered from when the misused all the Eden pieces. No this theory has nothing to do with the fact this troper played NMH:DS and AC2 close together.
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[[WMG: Travis didn't remember Jeane or the deaths of his parents because he repressed the memories. He only remembers the specific details beyond "my parents are dead" when he's A: drunk off his ass (like he was when he told Sylvia about it), or B: someone prods really, ''really'' hard about it (like Dark Star did). However, his anger still remained, which fueled his desire to become an assassin, even if he ''thought'' he joined the business because he thought it was cool.]]


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[[WMG: Travis didn't remember Jeane or the deaths of his parents because he repressed the memories. ]]
He only remembers the specific details beyond "my parents are dead" when he's A: drunk off his ass (like he was when he told Sylvia about it), or B: someone prods really, ''really'' hard about it (like Dark Star did). However, his anger still remained, which fueled his desire to become an assassin, even if he ''thought'' he joined the business because he thought it was cool.]]

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** Alternatively, the association didn't exist in NMH, but Travis' story circulated in the underworld, and somebody with some power and money (possibly Batt Jr.) thought it was a great idea (and served his ow motives to boot), and [[{{Defictionalization}} funded the organization of a real UAA.]] The assassins the Sylvia set up were just as fooled as Travis was, probably fed some lie about having their rankings calculated by their record of proper assassinations.



** Problem is, how do you confuse [[BadassLongcoat Henry]] with [[Otaku Travis]]?

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** Problem is, how do you confuse [[BadassLongcoat Henry]] with [[Otaku [[{{Otaku}} Travis]]?
*** Perhaps Henry carried out the killing like a proper assassin, utilizing stealth.




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** He could also have just been in shock when Jeane punched him. And he ''did'' freak out when Holly dropped the grenades on him.



* Confirmed, at least the part about the UAA being real, as their still around in NMH 2 and Travis has slid down to rank 52 as he's fallen into an Afro Samurai style depression and disinterest after reaching the number one rank.

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* Confirmed, at least the part about the UAA being real, as their still around in NMH 2 and Travis has slid down to rank 52 as he's fallen into an Afro Samurai AfroSamurai style depression and disinterest after reaching the number one rank.
** Unless the above WMG about Sylvia using




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** {{Jossed}} in one of the earlier interviews.




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* By the time he fought Kimmy, it was less "can't killa girl" and more "can't kill a ''kid''". Hell, that may have been in play with Shinobu as well.



Alice also likely entered the UAA due to her Son and Husband being murdered by a high ranked Assassin, what with the whole cycle of revenge motif.

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* Alice also likely entered the UAA due to her Son and Husband being murdered by a high ranked Assassin, what with the whole cycle of revenge motif.
* It's also possible Twilight is the last name of Alice's husband, or that Twilight ''and'' Moonlight are assumed names.




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*[[MetalGearSolid3 Travis! You can't do that! The future will be changed! You'll create a time paradox!]]




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** The initial ratings of the new UAA were based on prexisting assassination "stats". Since Batt Jr. had a hand in making the organization, he was able to alter the records to put himself at the top, and Alice simply started somewhere above Vladimir.




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* Actually, while not an enlisted soldier, she is likely employed by the U.S. government, which would explain why she has the support of soldiers.




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* Except that in multiple cutscenes, Travis DOES have the ability to jump.




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[[WMG: Travis didn't remember Jeane or the deaths of his parents because he repressed the memories. He only remembers the specific details beyond "my parents are dead" when he's A: drunk off his ass (like he was when he told Sylvia about it), or B: someone prods really, ''really'' hard about it (like Dark Star did). However, his anger still remained, which fueled his desire to become an assassin, even if he ''thought'' he joined the business because he thought it was cool.]]

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[[WMG: Shinobu avenged Master Jacobs before Desperate Struggle. She is using Travis to try and stop herself being so obsessive.]]
Shinobu eventually killed Jacobs' killer, and found herself, like [[ThePrincessBride Inigo Mantoya]], wondering what she would do with the rest of her life. She found that she couldn't get out of the ultra-seriously-obsessing-over-someone mindset. She chose to obsess over Travis on the basis that she thought he would either use her (thus making it so that she HAD to stop thinking like this), or try to 'fix' her and get her to act like a human again. She rationalised this by telling herself it was because he spared her life, allowing her the time to avenge Master Jacobs. She left Travis when it became clear he would neither exploit her nor make more than a half-assed attempt to fix her.

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[[WMG: No More Heroes and [[ScottPilgrim Scott Pilgrim]] take place in the same universe.]]
Both are heavily video game themed, have a good share of insane characters, include organizations with boss-level eccentrics... They just simply take place so far apart you never hear about each other. The weird universe you're in when you fight Cloe Walsh? Subspace.
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[[WMG: NMH2 is an Alternate Universe to NMH1]]]]
NMH2 drops a few hints that it's not on the same continuity as the "Real Ending" from NMH1. At the end of NMH1's True Ending, Henry and Travis appear to kill each other as a way to "the exit known as Paradise," which could be interpreted as death and the hereafter respectively. NMH2 appears to Hand Wave this by having Travis say that Silvia interrupted their fight, but if this was the case in True ending, it would be the second time she'd done it; and Travis says that she stopped the fight, not each other from killing themselves, and whereas the fight in NMH1's True Ending had already happened, the one after Letz Shake hadn't. Conclusion: NMH1's True Ending really was that the entire story was either a daydream, or that the painting was made after the fact; and therefore NMH2 is really a sequel to the plain Ending.

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[[WMG: NMH2 Desperate Struggle is an Alternate Universe to NMH1]]]]
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drops a few hints that it's not on the same continuity as the "Real Ending" from NMH1. NMH-1. At the end of NMH1's NMH-1's True Ending, Henry and Travis appear to kill each other as a way to "the exit known as Paradise," which could be interpreted as death and the hereafter respectively. NMH2 NMH-2 appears to Hand Wave this by having Travis say that Silvia interrupted their fight, but if this was the case in True ending, it would be the second time she'd done it; and Travis says that she stopped the fight, not each other from killing themselves, and whereas the fight in NMH1's NMH-1's True Ending had already happened, the one after Letz Shake hadn't. Conclusion: NMH1's True Ending really was that the entire story was either a daydream, or that the painting was made after the fact; and therefore NMH2 is really a sequel to the plain Ending.hadn't.
Conclusion: NMH-1's True Ending really was that the entire story was either a daydream, or that the painting was made after the fact; and therefore NMH2 is really a sequel to the plain Ending.
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[[WMG: NMH2 is an Alternate Universe to NMH1]]]]
NMH2 drops a few hints that it's not on the same continuity as the "Real Ending" from NMH1. At the end of NMH1's True Ending, Henry and Travis appear to kill each other as a way to "the exit known as Paradise," which could be interpreted as death and the hereafter respectively. NMH2 appears to Hand Wave this by having Travis say that Silvia interrupted their fight, but if this was the case in True ending, it would be the second time she'd done it; and Travis says that she stopped the fight, not each other from killing themselves, and whereas the fight in NMH1's True Ending had already happened, the one after Letz Shake hadn't. Conclusion: NMH1's True Ending really was that the entire story was either a daydream, or that the painting was made after the fact; and therefore NMH2 is really a sequel to the plain Ending.
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This is also why Margaret is more "Detached" from the games, sniping from afar. She's not interested in climbing the ranks, only in keeping any potential challengers away from Margaret

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This is also why Margaret is more "Detached" from the games, sniping from afar. She's not interested in climbing the ranks, only in keeping any potential challengers away from MargaretAlice
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** Well...we only see her after Dr.Peace dies, so she could've had a breakdown.
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[[WMG: Alice wanted out of the assassin business because she knew she'd have to kill Margaret someday.]]
Kind of obvious, but still.
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* Then how did Alice and Batt get above him? I mean, unless the UAA only had two people in it at the time Vladimir was discovered...
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[[WMG: Alice wanted out of the assassin business because she knew she'd have to kill Margaret someday.]]
Kind of obvious, but still.
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* Alternately: The RED Medic is Travis' father. Same kinked eyebrows, square jawline, hooked nose, penchant for smirking, widow's peak, both assassins, and use charged weapons.

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