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Ace pilot or not Char actively sabotaged the Zeon war effort because of his grudge against the Zabi family.
*He lead Garma into a trap, depriving earth-side forces of their chief commander.
*He abandoned the battlefield following Lalah's death.
*Instead of targeting the battleship he seeks out Gundam.
*Kills the fleeing Kycillia who would've refused to give up.
It's pretty clear to this troper that the war failed becuse of Char's grudge.
[[WMG:Project v would've failed without Zeon's attack.]]
Pretty much what it says on the tin. The reason why though? without the Zeon attack who knows who would be piloting those Mobile suits. Certainly not Amuro and friends. I'd go as far as to say that White base would've been sunk on it's first sortie against the enemy.
[[WMG:If more of project V's MS had survived...]]
Gundam is the top of it's class for it's era right? well according to the wiki there RX-78-2 was to be deployed with three of it's prototypes RX-78-1, and they were only slightly less powerful versions that used all the same technology.
If Amuro had been backed up by some extra Gundams a lot of good people on the federation side would probably be alive. Those good people might be enough to make sure The titans never form or that the incident of Stardust memory never happens. I hardly think it could be worse for White Base to have had more suits to use.
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** The alien invasion has already come and was defeated, partly by Grendizer but mostly by an horde of [[http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Jicco-class Jicco-class missile frigates]] built during the Mazinsaga and did most of the job in the final battle. That's why nobody took HumongousMecha seriously anymore: conventional weapons had reached parity with them, and without MinovskyParticle they had the advantage of being simpler and cheaper to build.
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** The alien invasion has already come and was defeated, partly by Grendizer ''Anime/UFORoboGrendizer'' but mostly by an horde of [[http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Jicco-class Jicco-class missile frigates]] built during the Mazinsaga and did most of the job in the final battle. That's why nobody took HumongousMecha seriously anymore: conventional weapons had reached parity with them, and without MinovskyParticle they had the advantage of being simpler and cheaper to build.
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[[WMG: The reason Char doesn't live up the hype]]
Char is Gundam's counterpart the counterpart to the Red Baron not just in the colour of the vehicle and fame, but also in ''[[WroteTheBook writing the book on how you fight with said vehicle]]''. Thus, just like every fighter pilot of WorldWarII and beyond still uses all of Richtofen's tricks (and a few more due the invention of the guided missile), by the following conflicts Char had to deal with [[GenreSavvy people who had read his book and could predict what he'd do]].
Char is Gundam's counterpart the counterpart to the Red Baron not just in the colour of the vehicle and fame, but also in ''[[WroteTheBook writing the book on how you fight with said vehicle]]''. Thus, just like every fighter pilot of WorldWarII and beyond still uses all of Richtofen's tricks (and a few more due the invention of the guided missile), by the following conflicts Char had to deal with [[GenreSavvy people who had read his book and could predict what he'd do]].
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** That or Dozle awakened some insanely powerful newtype abilities (on top of being really scary when angry), though his example gets points for scaring the guy a mobile suit when all he had was a machine gun.
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* Note: Despite their telekinetic powers, the Frost Brothers are actually NOT considered Newtypes in-universe, because one distinguishing feature of AW Newtypes is the ability to use the Flash System, which the Frost Brothers cannot, as implicitly stated in the series.
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*Note: Despite their telekinetic powers, the Frost Brothers are actually NOT considered Newtypes in-universe, because one distinguishing feature of AW Newtypes is the ability to use the Flash System, which the Frost Brothers cannot, as implicitly stated in the series.
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[[WMG: The real reason why Char was so dedicated to kill Amuro even before Lalah's death]]
Kai had guessed Char and Sayla's real identities, and when he stumbled on Char at Side 6 he told him that Amuro and Sayla were lovers to make him mad.
Kai had guessed Char and Sayla's real identities, and when he stumbled on Char at Side 6 he told him that Amuro and Sayla were lovers to make him mad.
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** The alien invasion has already come and was defeated, partly by Grendizer but mostly by an horde of [[http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Jicco-class Jicco-class missile frigates]] built during the Mazinsaga and did most of the job in the final battle. That's why nobody took HumongousMecha seriously anymore: conventional weapons had reached parity with them, and without MinovskyParticle they had the advantage of being simpler and cheaper to build.
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[[WMG:''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam Prof. Minovsky]]'' in reality was ''[[Anime/MazingerZ Dr. Hell]]''.]]
How else he would know how building giant robots? Instead of dying during the FinalBattle [[spoiler:in ''Anime/GreatMazinger'']] he spent the next decades healing his wounds, [[spoiler: and rebuilding his damaged face and body.]] However, when he was fully recovered he noticed that nobody took HumongousMecha seriously anymore. So he created the MinovskyParticle in order to make giant mecha useful, and he worked for the first sucker he talked into hiring him (given his backstory, he would have no trouble working for someone who thinks that being compared with Hitler is flattering). Unfortunately Zeon granted him a very tight budget, so instead of {{Robeast}}s he was forced to build Zakus.
* Incidentally this means that ''[[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Camille and Fa]]'' are an incarnation of ''[[Anime/MazingerZ Kouji and Sayaka]]''. And the wars between TheFederation and the space colonies are meaningless because, not matter who wins, an [[AlienInvasion Alien]] ''[[Anime/UFORoboGrendizer Invasion]]'' will wipe all of them out.
How else he would know how building giant robots? Instead of dying during the FinalBattle [[spoiler:in ''Anime/GreatMazinger'']] he spent the next decades healing his wounds, [[spoiler: and rebuilding his damaged face and body.]] However, when he was fully recovered he noticed that nobody took HumongousMecha seriously anymore. So he created the MinovskyParticle in order to make giant mecha useful, and he worked for the first sucker he talked into hiring him (given his backstory, he would have no trouble working for someone who thinks that being compared with Hitler is flattering). Unfortunately Zeon granted him a very tight budget, so instead of {{Robeast}}s he was forced to build Zakus.
* Incidentally this means that ''[[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Camille and Fa]]'' are an incarnation of ''[[Anime/MazingerZ Kouji and Sayaka]]''. And the wars between TheFederation and the space colonies are meaningless because, not matter who wins, an [[AlienInvasion Alien]] ''[[Anime/UFORoboGrendizer Invasion]]'' will wipe all of them out.
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When the ''White Base'' arrives at Jaburo, the GM was already in full production, and some had been used in Operation Odessa. Also, the ''White Base'' didn't try and take the faster way (Atlantic Ocean and then to Brazil), but circled the planet engaging in many battles, all of which useless if her actual mission was to go to Jaburo. Why that? Easy: while the ''White Base'' distracted Char, Wakkein was already delivering the data (taken while the ''White Base'' crew was imprisoned to prevent possible spies among the civilians to find out and the military crew imprisoned to make the thing more believable) using a laser communication, and when Char prevented the ''White Base'' from reaching Jaburo Revil decided to distract them from the build-up to Operation Odessa, first by threatening the factories of California Base (placed in Garma's territory) and then by assaulting M'Quve's bases from behind. Bright probably realized it between Garma's death and Ramba Ral's arrival on Earth, adding to his perpetual frustration.
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When the ''White Base'' arrives at Jaburo, the GM was already in full production, and some had been used in Operation Odessa. Also, the ''White Base'' didn't try and take the faster way (Atlantic Ocean and then to Brazil), but circled the planet engaging in many battles, all of which useless if her actual mission was to go to Jaburo. Why that? Easy: while the ''White Base'' distracted Char, Wakkein was already delivering the data (taken while the ''White Base'' crew was imprisoned to prevent possible spies among the civilians to find out and the military crew imprisoned to make the thing more believable) using a laser communication, and when Char prevented the ''White Base'' from reaching Jaburo Revil decided to distract them from the build-up to Operation Odessa, first by threatening the factories of California Base (placed in Garma's territory) and then by assaulting M'Quve's bases from behind. Bright probably realized it between Garma's death and Ramba Ral's arrival on Earth, adding to his perpetual frustration.
frustration, while M'Quve realized it right away, hence his 'let's get done with this shit' attitude when the ''White Base'' got too near his bases.
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[[WMG: The journey of the ''White Base'' to Jaburo was a distraction: they already had the data about the Gundam]]
When the ''White Base'' arrives at Jaburo, the GM was already in full production, and some had been used in Operation Odessa. Also, the ''White Base'' didn't try and take the faster way (Atlantic Ocean and then to Brazil), but circled the planet engaging in many battles, all of which useless if her actual mission was to go to Jaburo. Why that? Easy: while the ''White Base'' distracted Char, Wakkein was already delivering the data (taken while the ''White Base'' crew was imprisoned to prevent possible spies among the civilians to find out and the military crew imprisoned to make the thing more believable) using a laser communication, and when Char prevented the ''White Base'' from reaching Jaburo Revil decided to distract them from the build-up to Operation Odessa, first by threatening the factories of California Base (placed in Garma's territory) and then by assaulting M'Quve's bases from behind. Bright probably realized it between Garma's death and Ramba Ral's arrival on Earth, adding to his perpetual frustration.
When the ''White Base'' arrives at Jaburo, the GM was already in full production, and some had been used in Operation Odessa. Also, the ''White Base'' didn't try and take the faster way (Atlantic Ocean and then to Brazil), but circled the planet engaging in many battles, all of which useless if her actual mission was to go to Jaburo. Why that? Easy: while the ''White Base'' distracted Char, Wakkein was already delivering the data (taken while the ''White Base'' crew was imprisoned to prevent possible spies among the civilians to find out and the military crew imprisoned to make the thing more believable) using a laser communication, and when Char prevented the ''White Base'' from reaching Jaburo Revil decided to distract them from the build-up to Operation Odessa, first by threatening the factories of California Base (placed in Garma's territory) and then by assaulting M'Quve's bases from behind. Bright probably realized it between Garma's death and Ramba Ral's arrival on Earth, adding to his perpetual frustration.
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*It's just that Amuro has mental issues. Green is a color that relaxes people while some are lost in an endless blue while the read reminds him of the blood. He can easily destroy green Zakus so the enemy made a blue one which takes him a lot. Then Char comes with a Red Zaku and Amuro does so poorly that he wins by luck.
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**The other thing about the Gouf is that it was significantly more expensive to produce than a Zaku, so it was reserved for experienced pilots, such as Norris Packard and Ramba Ral.
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disputed, and even outright dismissed by Tomino. Besides this, we see quite a few Earth-born Newtypes. If one looks at GundamX, we see Newtypes whose powers are triggered by near-death experiences, as well as [[spoiler:D.O.M.E. declaring that they are not evolved humans but rather mutants.]] This would also explain why people with abilities like mental communication (the Frost brothers) and healing powers (Queen Maria) are considered Newtypes even when they don't match up with the usual set of powers that a majority of Newtypes possess.
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disputed, and even outright dismissed by Tomino. Besides this, we see quite a few Earth-born Newtypes. If one looks at GundamX, ''[[Anime/AfterWarGundamX Gundam X]]'', we see Newtypes whose powers are triggered by near-death experiences, as well as [[spoiler:D.O.M.E. declaring that they are not evolved humans but rather mutants.]] This would also explain why people with abilities like mental communication (the Frost brothers) and healing powers (Queen Maria) are considered Newtypes even when they don't match up with the usual set of powers that a majority of Newtypes possess.
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[[WMG: [[GundamZZ Judau Ashta]] is somehow a direct relative to Dozle Zabi]]
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** It was. Mass-produced units were deployed against White Base (Allowing Amuro to rake up a healthy number of kills there) and later participated in the Jaburo offensive. The problem was that Gouf was a ground-combat-based design and after Jaburo the Zeon retreated back into space.
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There really isn’t much of a difference
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[[WMG: Martin Prochnow is Ryu Jose's father]]
Remember Ryu, [[MobileSuitGundam one of Amuro's crewmates on White Base]], who sacrificed himself to save Amuro's life? Remember how well-built he was, and [[ShozoIizuka the sound of his voice]]? Now, take a look at [[GundamMSIGLOO Captain Martin Prochnow of the Jotunheim]]. [[LargeAndInCharge Well-built guy]], and a [[ShozoIizuka rather unique voice as well]]. It can't be a coincidence. Maybe Ryu was born on Side 3, but his mother had a falling out with his father and took him to Earth, where he lived under his mother's name, Jose. Then he later joined the Federation, signing up just before the One Year War began. Were Martin to know about the fate of his son...
Remember Ryu, [[MobileSuitGundam one of Amuro's crewmates on White Base]], who sacrificed himself to save Amuro's life? Remember how well-built he was, and [[ShozoIizuka the sound of his voice]]? Now, take a look at [[GundamMSIGLOO Captain Martin Prochnow of the Jotunheim]]. [[LargeAndInCharge Well-built guy]], and a [[ShozoIizuka rather unique voice as well]]. It can't be a coincidence. Maybe Ryu was born on Side 3, but his mother had a falling out with his father and took him to Earth, where he lived under his mother's name, Jose. Then he later joined the Federation, signing up just before the One Year War began. Were Martin to know about the fate of his son...
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[[WMG: Gouf is actually an inferior Mobile Suit compared to Zakus]]
Gouf pilots like Norris Packard and Ramba Ral are so awesome it doesn’t actually matter that they’re in an inferior mecha. If the Gouf design was so superior then why wasn’t it mass-produced by Zeon?
[[WMG: Despite Ramba Ral’s contrary claims the Gouf is a Zaku]]
There really isn’t much of a difference
Gouf pilots like Norris Packard and Ramba Ral are so awesome it doesn’t actually matter that they’re in an inferior mecha. If the Gouf design was so superior then why wasn’t it mass-produced by Zeon?
[[WMG: Despite Ramba Ral’s contrary claims the Gouf is a Zaku]]
There really isn’t much of a difference
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This is no MemeticMutation, Boy!
* No Zaku!
* No Zaku!
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*Only Charles Aznavour could have produced a theme like Gallant Char.
*The final battle of Char’s Counterattack has Char Aznable blasted to the distant past eventually taking the persona of Charles Aznavour.
*Charles Aznavour lives long enough to become the legendary Mobile Suit ace Char Aznable.
* Char Aznable is Charles Aznavour reincarnated.
*The final battle of Char’s Counterattack has Char Aznable blasted to the distant past eventually taking the persona of Charles Aznavour.
*Charles Aznavour lives long enough to become the legendary Mobile Suit ace Char Aznable.
* Char Aznable is Charles Aznavour reincarnated.
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[[WMG: Ramba Ral had Alzheimer's disease]]
In the middle of a battle, Ramba Ral forgot to fight.
In the middle of a battle, Ramba Ral forgot to fight.
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In Soviet Russia, this is a Zaku, boy.
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That thing's got more armor and power than a Zaku - it's completely different!
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[[WMG:This is no Zaku, boy!]]
It’s like a Zaku, but completely different!
It’s like a Zaku, but completely different!
