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While she is heavily implied to have been murdered by Serpent, that doesn't mean she can't make a return. Becoming a Cyber-Elf upon death is not unprecedented.

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* While she is heavily implied to have been murdered by Serpent, that doesn't mean she can't make a return. Becoming a Cyber-Elf upon death is not unprecedented.unprecedented.
** This isn't as crazy as it sounds. Normally, Reploids end up as Cyber Elves when they die since they go to Cyberspace, a la Hidden Phantom and X. Ciel is 100% human, so the chances of her ending up in Cyberspace or as a Cyber Elf are slim to say the least, until you remember what made her special in the ''Zero'' series, until you remember what makes her special: [[{{Technopath}} She's the only human that can see and interact with Cyber Elves]]. Perhaps she has a connection with Cyberspace that would allow her to live on in it?
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[[WMG: MegaManZX 3 will star a new Mega Man...]]

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** Except that so far, the ZX games have just as much in common with the X games as they do with the Zero Games. For this to have worked, he would have at least had more of a presence in ZX Advent.



* While this would be really cool, it would be Model W in the Japanese version, and Model V in the US version, since Model W is the Americanized version of Model V (as in the Biometal used by Serpent/Master Albert, not the hypothetical Biometal spoken of here). This troper thinks that the MC and Model V (or W in Japan) will have a relationship similar to that of [[Series/KamenRiderOOO Eiji and Ankh]]; additionally, the Ride Armor will play a role as well (it'll be similar to the role it had in the ''Megaman X'' games), but whenever the MC defeats a boss, instead of gaining an upgrade for said Ride Armor, he'll gain a weapon to use (similar to Vile mode in ''Maverick Hunter X''), and he can combine the various weapons to create different suits of armor (like Eiji does with the core medals). Also, unlike Models Z or X, Model V/W will be made from the actual remains of Vile, recovered from an expedition to the moon, and adapted into a Biometal by someone who either helped Ciel create the Biometals or was working independently. And unlike the last 2 games, Master Thomas will have never heard of Model V or the MC - so he'll basically be caught off guard when the main character confronts him, leading to Thomas making wildly inaccurate guesses as to who the MC and their Biometal is supposed to be; and similarly, Aile and Grey (or Vent and Ashe, depending on what gender the MC is) will be hostile towards the main character at first, before realizing that they are actually a good person and helping them.

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* While this would be really cool, it would be Model W in the Japanese version, and Model V in the US version, since Model W is the Americanized version of Model V (as in the Biometal used by Serpent/Master Albert, not the hypothetical Biometal spoken of here). This troper thinks that the MC and Model V (or W in Japan) will have a relationship similar to that of [[Series/KamenRiderOOO Eiji and Ankh]]; additionally, the Ride Armor will play a role as well (it'll be similar to the role it had in the ''Megaman X'' games), but whenever the MC defeats a boss, instead of gaining an upgrade for said Ride Armor, he'll gain a weapon to use (similar to Vile mode in ''Maverick Hunter X''), and he can combine the various weapons to create different suits of armor (like Eiji does with the core medals).
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Also, unlike Models Z or X, Model V/W will be made from the actual remains of Vile, recovered from an expedition to the moon, and adapted into a Biometal by someone who either helped Ciel create the Biometals or was working independently.independently (OR, maybe perhaps Master Mikhail made it into a biometal as a back-up plan to use against Albert, in case Ashe/Grey failed). And unlike the last 2 games, Master Thomas will have never heard of Model V or the MC - so he'll basically be caught off guard when the main character confronts him, leading to Thomas making wildly inaccurate guesses as to who the MC and their Biometal is supposed to be; and similarly, Aile and Grey (or Vent and Ashe, depending on what gender the MC is) will be hostile towards the main character at first, before realizing that they are actually a good person and helping them.



[[WMG: If a third game ever gets made, Model Z will find another Biomatch]]
Regardless of who the main character ends up being, Aile/Vent is the series's counterpart to X, and Ashe/Grey is the series's counterpart to Axl (in terms of personality as well as the obvious reason). There's still no Zero for the main heroes. Maybe perhaps the Model Z Biomatch will start off BrainwashedAndCrazy...but after being beaten by the main character (assuming they aren't the main character), they will join the side of good.




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* Except if the MindRape aspect is true, then couldn't you say the same thing about Atlas and Aeolus? It seems like Sirnaq is the only one who's truly evil of the 4.



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* While this would be really cool, it would be Model W in the Japanese version, and Model V in the US version, since Model W is the Americanized version of Model V (as in the Biometal used by Serpent/Master Albert, not the hypothetical Biometal spoken of here). This troper thinks that the MC and Model V (or W in Japan) will have a relationship similar to that of [[Series/KamenRiderOOO Eiji and Ankh]]; additionally, the Ride Armor will play a role as well (it'll be similar to the role it had in the ''Megaman X'' games), but whenever the MC defeats a boss, instead of gaining an upgrade for said Ride Armor, he'll gain a weapon to use (similar to Vile mode in ''Maverick Hunter X''), and he can combine the various weapons to create different suits of armor (like Eiji does with the core medals). Also, unlike Models Z or X, Model V/W will be made from the actual remains of Vile, recovered from an expedition to the moon, and adapted into a Biometal by someone who either helped Ciel create the Biometals or was working independently. And unlike the last 2 games, Master Thomas will have never heard of Model V or the MC - so he'll basically be caught off guard when the main character confronts him, leading to Thomas making wildly inaccurate guesses as to who the MC and their Biometal is supposed to be; and similarly, Aile and Grey (or Vent and Ashe, depending on what gender the MC is) will be hostile towards the main character at first, before realizing that they are actually a good person and helping them.
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* Albert (A) X Lumine (L). AxL

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* Albert (A) X Lumine (L). AxL
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* Albert (A) X Lumine (L). AxL
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* Didn't Ciel have to [[AfterActionHealingDrama repair Zero in a lab]] once or twice during the Zero series? She'd be a pretty poor scientist if she didn't keep as much of his data as she could get, given that [[AceCustom his systems were repeatedly referred to as superior]] to most current Reploids'.
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* The creation of the [[MegaManLegends Carbons]] will either be involved or hinted at.

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* The creation of the [[MegaManLegends [[VideoGame/MegaManLegends Carbons]] will either be involved or hinted at.
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* X,Zero,and ZX are 200 years apart, Zero is 200 after X, and ZX 200 after Zero, presumably the Sage Trinity just grew up during the Zero Era
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[[WMG: Ciel will make a return... as a Cyber-Elf.]]
While she is heavily implied to have been murdered by Serpent, that doesn't mean she can't make a return. Becoming a Cyber-Elf upon death is not unprecedented.
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* By that token, Master [[spoiler: Thomas]] went insane with grief after living so long and seeing [[spoiler: Megaman, X, and Zero die]] and decided there was no better option than to start over by resetting the world.

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* By that token, Master [[spoiler: Thomas]] went insane with grief after living so long and seeing [[spoiler: Megaman, [[spoiler:Megaman, X, and Zero die]] and decided there was no better option than to start over by resetting the world.



...will be made and star [[MegamanZero Neige]]'s daughter, who will Megamerge with Model C(raft). Just because it would be [[RuleOfCool so cool]].
* Wouldn't she need to be immortal to pull that off? I mean, the ZX series takes place about a thousand years (Or was it a few hundred? I forget.) after the Zero series and Reploids have human-like mortality now and humans only got robotic bodies. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, the only beings that were immortal were Prairie (for some reason), the Sage Trinity, and possibly Grey (since he was created by Albert).

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...will be made and star [[MegamanZero [[VideoGame/MegaManZero Neige]]'s daughter, who will Megamerge with Model C(raft). Just because it would be [[RuleOfCool so cool]].
* Wouldn't she need to be immortal to pull that off? I mean, the ZX series takes place about a thousand years (Or was it a few hundred? I forget.) after the Zero series series, and Reploids have human-like mortality now and humans only got robotic bodies. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, the only beings that were immortal were Prairie (for some reason), the Sage Trinity, and possibly Grey (since he was created by Albert).



* Model X and Model A will start thinking about who Model A's based off, as Model X is reminded of Axl
* Girouette will get rebuilt and come back just like Zero did all those times (basing this off of nothing expect for the fact that it would be another way to compare the two).

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* Model X and Model A will start thinking about who Model A's based off, as Model X is reminded of Axl
Axl.
* Girouette will get rebuilt and come back just like Zero did all those times (basing this off of nothing expect except for the fact that it would be another way to compare the two).



* Omega will make a reappearance, though he may or may not be an AntiClimaxBoss

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* Omega will make a reappearance, though he may or may not be an AntiClimaxBossAntiClimaxBoss.



* The Model W pieces will be used by Thomas, but instead of the form's Albert took initially Thomas's will be reminiscent of Weil.
* Eventually, somehow, Wily will manage to construct himself a new body out of the Model W parts, becoming the series TRUE final boss and the mastermind behind pretty much everything. Bonus points if it ends up Mikhail was Willy all along and had manipulated both Albert and Thomas all along, perhaps even remarking to Thomas "Just like old times eh Light?" If Thomas does end up being Dr. Light.

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* The Model W pieces will be used by Thomas, but instead of the form's form Albert took initially initially, Thomas's will be reminiscent of Weil.
* Eventually, somehow, Wily will manage to construct himself a new body out of the Model W parts, becoming the series TRUE final boss and [[HijackedByGanon the mastermind behind pretty much everything. everything]]. Bonus points if it ends up Mikhail was Willy Wily all along and had manipulated both Albert and Thomas all along, perhaps even remarking to Thomas "Just like old times eh times, eh, Light?" If if Thomas does end up being Dr. Light.



* Ciel is still alive: Vent's storyline reveals a possiblity that she managed to escape Serpent's attack, and while Aile's storyline is usually considered more canonical, I think it's pretty safe to assume that the different details revealed about the past are supposed to complement each other. And it was already established that humans can possibly live for hundreds of years via mechanical implants.

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* Ciel is still alive: Vent's storyline reveals a possiblity possibility that she managed to escape Serpent's attack, and while Aile's storyline is usually considered more canonical, I think it's pretty safe to assume that the different details revealed about the past are supposed to complement each other. And it was already established that humans can possibly live for hundreds of years via mechanical implants.



* There will be a new Model Z biomatch, and you will be able to choose between playing as Vent/Aile(with model X, gaining powerups by reclaiming the Biometals and/or unlocking Model X's MegaManning power), Grey/Ashe(with Model A, gaining powerups via A-Trans like in ZXA) and the new Model Z user/s(who will learn new moves by beating bosses, like Zero).

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* There will be a new Model Z biomatch, and you will be able to choose between playing as Vent/Aile(with Vent/Aile (with model X, gaining powerups by reclaiming the Biometals and/or unlocking Model X's MegaManning power), Grey/Ashe(with Grey/Ashe (with Model A, gaining powerups via A-Trans like in ZXA) and the new Model Z user/s(who user/s (who will learn new moves by beating bosses, like Zero).



Albert? Wily? Come on, it can't be a coincidence! At some point, Wily became an OmnicidalManiac who is using the biometals(even Model W) to "reset the world", because he hates the fact Dr Light's legacy has managed to integrate with even human bodies, and that no-one remembers him. He's taken a step in MagnificentBastard.

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Albert? Wily? Come on, it can't be a coincidence! At some point, Wily became an OmnicidalManiac who is using the biometals(even biometals (even Model W) to "reset the world", because he hates the fact Dr Dr. Light's legacy has managed to integrate with even human bodies, and that no-one remembers him. He's taken a step in MagnificentBastard.



** The problem with Master Albert being Doctor Wily himself is the same as the problem with Dr. Weil being Dr. Wily. How did Wily manage to live throughout the entire Mega Man X series, up until the Zero series (and in this case, beyond that) on his own? If he was Weil he had to survive until he was given the cyborg body by Neo Arcadia, in the which case their punishment- a body that refused to let him die- would be lessened. If he's Master Albert, how did Wily live roughly half a millennium without being discovered on a planet that's had at least one colony dropped on it?

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** The problem with Master Albert being Doctor Wily himself is the same as the problem with Dr. Weil being Dr. Wily. How did Wily manage to live throughout the entire Mega ''Mega Man X X'' series, up until the Zero ''Zero'' series (and in this case, beyond that) on his own? If he was Weil Weil, he had to survive until he was given the cyborg body by Neo Arcadia, in the which case their punishment- punishment -- a body that refused to let him die- die -- would be lessened. If he's Master Albert, how did Wily live roughly half a millennium without being discovered on a planet that's had at least one colony dropped on it?



*** Or he was off-planet. Dr Wily has built space stations before; maybe he had one of those space stations store whatever computer [[BrainUploading he uploads his mind in.]] Dr Weil isn't Wily, and his destructive Elf Wars forced Wily to delay any plan of world conquest. When becoming Master Albert, Wily could easily create fake histories for himself, and clone new bodies.

[[WMG: Master Mikhael is evil]]
The other two are. If we wasn't evil to begin with he'll probably ''become'' an evil mastermind out of sheer peer pressure.

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*** Or he was off-planet. Dr Wily has built space stations before; maybe he had one of those space stations store whatever computer [[BrainUploading he uploads his mind in.]] Dr Dr. Weil isn't Wily, and his destructive Elf Wars forced Wily to delay any plan of world conquest. When becoming Master Albert, Wily could easily create fake histories for himself, and clone new bodies.

[[WMG: Master Mikhael Mikhail is evil]]
The other two are. If we wasn't evil to begin with with, he'll probably ''become'' an evil mastermind out of sheer peer pressure.



At one point during the gme, perhaps at the end of the final boss fight, the player will be helpless, perhaps due to Model W energy, perhaps due to any number of things. then, just as it looks like they're going to be finished off, a familiar, but slightly distorted sounding whistle sounds off as Protoman, damage and looking a bit mix and match in regards to parts, pulls off a Big Damn Heroes. Double points if all he did was expose himself to the boss and the Main Character finishes things off ala MMZ3.

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At one point during the gme, game, perhaps at the end of the final boss fight, the player will be helpless, perhaps due to Model W energy, perhaps due to any number of things. then, Then, just as it looks like they're going to be finished off, a familiar, but slightly distorted sounding whistle sounds off as Protoman, damage damaged and looking a bit mix and match mix-and-match in regards to parts, pulls off a Big Damn Heroes. Double points if all he did was expose himself to the boss and the Main Character finishes things off ala MMZ3.
''MMZ3''.



* Master Albert: [[EvilLaugh Mwhahahahaha!]] I am the great MadScientist, Dr Albert Wily! Now, you're probably wondering [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse what the hell happened to me.]] After they designed the Mother Elf, I came to the conclusion that it could make me DeaderThanDead. I wasn't going to take it, so I became programming. And now I'm back, ready to TakeOverTheWorld via Model W. "Model W/Dr Weil was manipulating me?", you say? [[LargeHam FOOLS! HE IS NOTHING COMPARED TO ME!]] I manipulated that retched excuse for a human being [[UnwittingPawn and he doesn't even know it.]] Yes, I called him retched. [[EvenEvilHasStandards I may be power-hungry and prideful]], but I ain't a [[ForTheEvulz sadistic]] [[ItsAllAboutMe ego-maniac!]] Oh, [[PetTheDog and tell Model Z I said hi.]]
* Master Thomas: Everlasting peace. Yes, I once believed that. Oh, I believed that. But then came the Elf Wars. Then came the pain and horror and blood and suffering. The world [[CrapsackWorld turned into Hell.]] Being a LiteralPacifist can no longer work. I needed to [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans desperately heal the world.]] I need to [[WellIntentionedExtremist save the world.]] The only way this can work is if the planet is reset. To be back to what the world was like before Wily and I went at it.
* Master Mikhail: Bah! I've been completely forgetten. But it doesn't matter. I can save the world.

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* Master Albert: [[EvilLaugh Mwhahahahaha!]] I am the great MadScientist, Dr Albert Wily! Now, you're probably wondering [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse what the hell happened to me.]] After they designed the Mother Elf, I came to the conclusion that it could make me DeaderThanDead. I wasn't going to take it, so I became programming. And now I'm back, ready to TakeOverTheWorld via Model W. "Model W/Dr W/Dr. Weil was manipulating me?", you say? [[LargeHam FOOLS! HE IS NOTHING COMPARED TO ME!]] I manipulated that retched excuse for a human being [[UnwittingPawn and he doesn't even know it.]] Yes, I called him retched. [[EvenEvilHasStandards I may be power-hungry and prideful]], but I ain't a [[ForTheEvulz sadistic]] [[ItsAllAboutMe ego-maniac!]] Oh, [[PetTheDog and tell Model Z I said hi.]]
* Master Thomas: Everlasting peace. Yes, I once believed that. Oh, I believed that. But then came the Elf Wars. Then came the pain and horror and blood and suffering. The world [[CrapsackWorld turned into Hell.]] Hell]]. Being a LiteralPacifist can no longer work. I needed to [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans desperately heal the world.]] world]]. I need to [[WellIntentionedExtremist save the world.]] world]]. The only way this can work is if the planet is reset. To be back to what the world was like before Wily and I went at it.
* Master Mikhail: Bah! I've been completely forgetten.forgotten. But it doesn't matter. I can save the world.



He was, at worst, a well intentioned extremist after he joined the game of destiny. Keep in mind that he would have been directly recruited, then, by the man running the whole game, prometheus, or pandora. My theory is he only started trying to wipe out humans after he came into contact with someone who had a powerful connection to [[SealedEvilInACan Model w.]] Unfortunately for poor Thetis, this implies [[MindRape some things]] were done to him to make him more acepting of the implications of the game of destiny.

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He was, at worst, a well intentioned extremist WellIntentionedExtremist after he joined the game of destiny. Keep in mind that he would have been directly recruited, then, by the man running the whole game, prometheus, Prometheus, or pandora. Pandora. My theory is he only started trying to wipe out humans after he came into contact with someone who had a powerful connection to [[SealedEvilInACan Model w.]] W]]. Unfortunately for poor Thetis, this implies [[MindRape some things]] were done to him to make him more acepting accepting of the implications of the game of destiny.



Because both of them are hosts for Lumine. It's hinted that Lumine possessed Axl at the end of X8. Also, Albert's final form bears a slight resemblance to him. Albert/Lumine based his biometal on the last fully reploid body he had before switching over to a cyborg host.

[[WMG: Alternatively, Model A is just Axl]]

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Because both of them are hosts for Lumine. It's hinted that Lumine possessed Axl at the end of X8.''X8''. Also, Albert's final form bears a slight resemblance to him. Albert/Lumine based his biometal on the last fully reploid body he had before switching over to a cyborg host.

[[WMG: Alternatively, Model A is just Axl]]Axl.]]



[[WMG: Model a (lowercase) is original Mega Man's biometal]]

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[[WMG: Model a (lowercase) is original Mega Man's biometal]]biometal.]]



True, Model L, P, H, and F act like they are the real heroes, but they only have the memories of the legendary heroes. Same with Model X and Model Z. They were given all the memories the legendary heroes had, by Ceil. Ceil found it was impossible to bring them back to life, so she just copied them, the same thing she did with X in the Zero series. Only this time, she copied them much better. To prove this, look at Omega and Model O. Model O can be obtained through normal gameplay, as well as the battle with Omega, but you can't use Model O until you beat the game once, probably to prevent it from becoming a game breaker, but I believe it is still canon. You can fight Omega with Model O, so Model O must be a copy of Omega. Also, Model Albert is clearly a copy of Albert. Albert says he downloaded his plan into Model A, and talks about other things he's given Model A, and the fact that it"s called "Model Albert" all point to Model A being Albert. But that's impossible, Albert is standing right there. It's simple, Model Albert is a copy with Albert's memories, and his mind (Thus giving him his plan). Model A was supposed to give Grey Albert's plan and tell him what to do, so it makes sense that he would be a duplicate of Albert. And since Grey was under mind control, Model A would've been the one who would truly replace Albert. Model W is also not Weil, but Weil's robotic body revived, with his memories and basically everything Weil had, making it basically the same thing.

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True, Model L, P, H, and F act like they are the real heroes, but they only have the memories of the legendary heroes. Same with Model X and Model Z. They were given all the memories the legendary heroes had, by Ceil. Ceil found it was impossible to bring them back to life, so she just copied them, the same thing she did with X in the Zero ''Zero'' series. Only this time, she copied them much better. To prove this, look at Omega and Model O. Model O can be obtained through normal gameplay, as well as the battle with Omega, but you can't use Model O until you beat the game once, probably to prevent it from becoming a game breaker, but I believe it is still canon. You can fight Omega with Model O, so Model O must be a copy of Omega. Also, Model Albert is clearly a copy of Albert. Albert says he downloaded his plan into Model A, and talks about other things he's given Model A, and the fact that it"s called "Model Albert" all point to Model A being Albert. But that's impossible, Albert is standing right there. It's simple, Model Albert is a copy with Albert's memories, and his mind (Thus (thus giving him his plan). Model A was supposed to give Grey Albert's plan and tell him what to do, so it makes sense that he would be a duplicate of Albert. And since Grey was under mind control, Model A would've been the one who would truly replace Albert. Model W is also not Weil, but Weil's robotic body revived, with his memories and basically everything Weil had, making it basically the same thing.



** It's the same as the difference between X and Copy X of the Zero series. Just the biometals are much better copies. Ceil does consider copying a reploid just as good as bringing them back to life. That's why she copied X when she found out she couldn't revive him, and she didn't bother to tell anyone (outside of Zero and maybe the resistance) because she figured a copy is just as good as the original anyways. If it was just a switch of bodies, you shouldn't be able to fight Omega with his own biometal (and Albert, but his Biometal could be an exception since he never died). Also, WordOfGod when talking about the creation of the biometals is actually more vague then the game is. WordOfGod leaves open the possibility that the biometals are in fact copies.

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** It's the same as the difference between X and Copy X of the Zero series. Just the biometals are much better copies. Ceil does consider copying a reploid just as good as bringing them back to life. That's why she copied X when she found out she couldn't revive him, and she didn't bother to tell anyone (outside of Zero and maybe the resistance) because she figured a copy is just as good as the original anyways. If it was just a switch of bodies, you shouldn't be able to fight Omega with his own biometal (and Albert, but his Biometal could be an exception since he never died). Also, WordOfGod when talking about the creation of the biometals is actually more vague then than the game is. WordOfGod leaves open the possibility that the biometals are in fact copies.



Mega Man X takes place in 21XX, but Command Mission is 22XX. Zero supposedly takes place 100 years after the end of the X series, so that would put it at 23XX. Master Albert has been working on Model W for over 300 years, but we don't know how long it's been between when the Zero series ended and Albert started on the project, so it could've taken a long time for society to rebuild. Thus it's been 700 years since the original Mega Man fought Dr. Wily, and it seems that the works of Thomas Light has been lost to time judging by the loose continuity.
* The events of the previous series are probably not ''entirely'' lost, given that the Three Sages knew enough to name themselves after the founding roboticists. They just know about as much about 20XX as we do the 14th century- less, even, given that most data would have been on short-lived storage media, and most of the rest would have been destroyed in the unending massively violent warfare between 21XX and 23XX.

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Mega Man X takes place in 21XX, but Command Mission is 22XX. Zero supposedly takes place 100 years after the end of the X series, so that would put it at 23XX. Master Albert has been working on Model W for over 300 years, but we don't know how long it's been between when the Zero ''Zero'' series ended and Albert started on the project, so it could've taken a long time for society to rebuild. Thus it's been 700 years since the original Mega Man fought Dr. Wily, and it seems that the works of Thomas Light has been lost to time judging by the loose continuity.
* The events of the previous series are probably not ''entirely'' lost, given that the Three Sages knew enough to name themselves after the founding roboticists. They just know about as much about 20XX as we do the 14th century- century -- less, even, given that most data would have been on short-lived storage media, and most of the rest would have been destroyed in the unending massively violent warfare between 21XX and 23XX.



The official materials say that Zero's body was never found after Ragnarok, but if that's the case then how did Ciel make a biometal for him? Whether it's a copy or the real thing she'd need a base of some kind to get the information from. In X's case, she used a refined and debugged version of the data she had on Copy X, but in Zero's case she got it from the man himself. Zero survived Ragnarok (we only saw his broken ''helmet'', not the rest of his body), and having ended the human/reploid wars for good, he dropped his weapons and ceased to be a war machine, devoting himself to helping Ciel better the world through peaceful means. Of course he was still a reploid and eventually outlived her, but he kept in contact with Alouette and the Guardians and assisted them in a non-combat function until the beginning of ZX, when he used Model Z -- which, ''of course,'' biomatched with him perfectly -- in place of the equipment he'd long since discarded. Unfortunately Zero had gone so long without fighting that he was only at a fraction of his total ability when he first faced Serpent, and got sucker-punched when Serpent pulled out Model W.

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The official materials say that Zero's body was never found after Ragnarok, but if that's the case case, then how did Ciel make a biometal for him? Whether it's a copy or the real thing thing, she'd need a base of some kind to get the information from. In X's case, she used a refined and debugged version of the data she had on Copy X, but in Zero's case she got it from the man himself. Zero survived Ragnarok (we only saw his broken ''helmet'', not the rest of his body), and having ended the human/reploid wars for good, he dropped his weapons and ceased to be a war machine, devoting himself to helping Ciel better the world through peaceful means. Of course course, he was still a reploid and eventually outlived her, but he kept in contact with Alouette and the Guardians and assisted them in a non-combat function until the beginning of ZX, when he used Model Z -- which, ''of course,'' biomatched with him perfectly -- in place of the equipment he'd long since discarded. Unfortunately Unfortunately, Zero had gone so long without fighting that he was only at a fraction of his total ability when he first faced Serpent, and got sucker-punched when Serpent pulled out Model W.



* With no knowledge of [[spoiler: Master Thomas's plans]], the heroes were unable to stop him from resetting the world and bringing about the Legends era, a peaceful place with no humans at all.

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* With no knowledge of [[spoiler: Master [[spoiler:Master Thomas's plans]], the heroes were unable to stop him from resetting the world and bringing about the Legends era, a peaceful place with no humans at all.



* Master Thomas is Dr Light (specifically, his consciousness that appeared in X. By the time of ZX, he was moved into robotic body)
* He reset the world by creating a time machine and goes back to 20XX, telling the future to his past selves so that he picked networking instead of robotic major. His action created the Battle Network timeline. The original timeline still existed though. The problem with this theory is Duo, though they could be simply different, unrelated entities.

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* Master Thomas is Dr Dr. Light (specifically, his consciousness that appeared in X. By the time of ZX, he was moved into a robotic body)
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* He reset the world by creating a time machine and goes going back to 20XX, telling the future to his past selves so that he picked networking instead of robotic major. His action created the Battle Network timeline. The original timeline still existed existed, though. The problem with this theory is Duo, though they could be simply different, unrelated entities.
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* It's never really explained where the heck he went after he sacrificed himself, and he spontaneously returns after Vent/Aile defeats Serpent. In Area E (the Power Plant), there are hundreds of Cyber-Elves in tubes being used to power the plant, and after the boss is defeated, the Cyber-Elves disappear, likely free to escape without Hivolt keeping them there. Giro may have been one of these Cyber-Elves, and escaped after Vent/Aile defeated Hivolt, watching over him/her and appearing one last time to encourage him/her to keep going after Serpent's defeat.

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[[WMG: Master Thomas's succeed in his plans]]
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* Master Thomas is Dr Light (specifically, his consciousness that appeared in X. By the time of ZX, he was moved into robotic body)
* He reset the world by creating a time machine and goes back to 20XX, telling the future to his past selves so that he picked networking instead of robotic major. His action created the Battle Network timeline. The original timeline still existed though. The problem with this theory is Duo, though they could be simply different, unrelated entities.



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*** Unlikely. Even if Ciel was capable of living this long (which, granted, is a possibility), IIRC, she was heavily implied to have been murdered by Serpent.
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*** Or he was off-planet. Dr Wily has built space stations before; maybe he had one of those space stations store whatever computer [[BrainUploading he uploads his mind in.]] Dr Weil isn't Wily, and his destructive Elf Wars forced Wily to delay any plan of world conquest. When becoming Master Albert, Wily could easily create fake histories for himself, and clone new bodies.
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[[WMG: Alternatively, Model A is just Axl]]
Albert, being the self-centered bastard that he is, claimed to have named Model A after himself just to mess with our heads.
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* Master Albert: [[EvilLaugh Mwhahahahaha!]] I am the great MadScientist, Dr Albert Wily! Now, you're probably wondering [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse what the hell happened to me.]] After they designed the Mother Elf, I came to the conclusion that it could make me DeaderThanDead. I wasn't going to take it, so I became programming. And now I'm back, ready to TakeOverTheWorld via Model W. "Model W/Dr Weil was manipulating me?", you say? [[LargeHam FOOLS! HE IS NOTHING COMPARED TO ME!]] I manipulated that [[CompleteMonster retched excuse for a human being]] [[UnwittingPawn and he doesn't even know it.]] Yes, I called him retched. [[EvenEvilHasStandards I may be power-hungry and prideful]], but I ain't a [[ForTheEvulz sadistic]] [[ItsAllAboutMe ego-maniac!]] Oh, [[PetTheDog and tell Model Z I said hi.]]

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* Master Albert: [[EvilLaugh Mwhahahahaha!]] I am the great MadScientist, Dr Albert Wily! Now, you're probably wondering [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse what the hell happened to me.]] After they designed the Mother Elf, I came to the conclusion that it could make me DeaderThanDead. I wasn't going to take it, so I became programming. And now I'm back, ready to TakeOverTheWorld via Model W. "Model W/Dr Weil was manipulating me?", you say? [[LargeHam FOOLS! HE IS NOTHING COMPARED TO ME!]] I manipulated that [[CompleteMonster retched excuse for a human being]] being [[UnwittingPawn and he doesn't even know it.]] Yes, I called him retched. [[EvenEvilHasStandards I may be power-hungry and prideful]], but I ain't a [[ForTheEvulz sadistic]] [[ItsAllAboutMe ego-maniac!]] Oh, [[PetTheDog and tell Model Z I said hi.]]



He was, at worst, a well intentioned extremist after he joined the game of destiny. Keep in mind that he would have been directly recruited, then, by [[CompleteMonster the man running the whole game, prometheus, or pandora.]] My theory is he only started trying to wipe out humans after he came into contact with someone who had a powerful connection to [[SealedEvilInACan Model w.]] Unfortunately for poor Thetis, this implies [[MindRape some things]] were done to him to make him more acepting of the implications of the game of destiny.

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He was, at worst, a well intentioned extremist after he joined the game of destiny. Keep in mind that he would have been directly recruited, then, by [[CompleteMonster the man running the whole game, prometheus, or pandora.]] pandora. My theory is he only started trying to wipe out humans after he came into contact with someone who had a powerful connection to [[SealedEvilInACan Model w.]] Unfortunately for poor Thetis, this implies [[MindRape some things]] were done to him to make him more acepting of the implications of the game of destiny.
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** But remember, Japan is first in line. Model B would be Blues, aka Protoman. And since model F(orte) is already taken, Bass may be SOL.
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* With no knowledge of [[spoiler: Master Thomas's plans]], the heroes were unable to stop him from resetting the world and bringing about the Legends era,a peaceful place with no humans at all.

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[[WMG: The Secret Ending of ZXA leads into the Legends series]]
* With no knowledge of [[spoiler: Master Thomas's plans]], the heroes were unable to stop him from resetting the world and bringing about the Legends era,a peaceful place with no humans at all.
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[[WMG:Aile's story (and by extension, Grey's) is canon.]]
* Regarding whose storyline is canon and whose isn't, before I'm going on it, I will say that all of the protagonists (Vent, Aile, Grey, Ashe) exists in all storylines. [[http://www.capcom-unity.com/mega_man/go/thread/view/7461/26607761/VentAiles_storyline_-_Same,_but_different This is my hypothesis.]]
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* Master Thomas: Everlasting peace. Yes, I once believed that. Oh, I believed that. But then came the Elf Wars. Then came the [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel pain and horror and blood and suffering.]] The world [[CrapsackWorld turned into Hell.]] Being a LiteralPacifist can no longer work. I needed to [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans desperately heal the world.]] I need to [[WellIntentionedExtremist save the world.]] The only way this can work is if the planet is reset. To be back to what the world was like before Wily and I went at it.

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* Master Thomas: Everlasting peace. Yes, I once believed that. Oh, I believed that. But then came the Elf Wars. Then came the [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel pain and horror and blood and suffering.]] suffering. The world [[CrapsackWorld turned into Hell.]] Being a LiteralPacifist can no longer work. I needed to [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans desperately heal the world.]] I need to [[WellIntentionedExtremist save the world.]] The only way this can work is if the planet is reset. To be back to what the world was like before Wily and I went at it.
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** It's the same as the difference between X and Copy X of the Zero series. Just the biometals are much better copies. Ceil does consider copying a reploid just as good as bringing them back to life. That's why she copied X when she found out she couldn't revive him, and she didn't bother to tell anyone (outside of Zero and maybe the resistance) because she figured a copy is just as good as the original anyways. If it was just a switch of bodies, you shouldn't be able to fight Omega with his own biometal (and Albert, but his Biometal could be an exception since he never died). Also, WordOfGod when talking about the creation of the biometals is actually more vague then the game is. WordOfGod leaves open the possibility that the biometals are in fact copies.

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** It's the same as the difference between X and Copy X of the Zero series. Just the biometals are much better copies. Ceil does consider copying a reploid just as good as bringing them back to life. That's why she copied X when she found out she couldn't revive him, and she didn't bother to tell anyone (outside of Zero and maybe the resistance) because she figured a copy is just as good as the original anyways. If it was just a switch of bodies, you shouldn't be able to fight Omega with his own biometal (and Albert, but his Biometal could be an exception since he never died). Also, WordOfGod when talking about the creation of the biometals is actually more vague then the game is. WordOfGod leaves open the possibility that the biometals are in fact copies.copies.

[[WMG: Mega Man ZX takes place in 27XX.]]
Mega Man X takes place in 21XX, but Command Mission is 22XX. Zero supposedly takes place 100 years after the end of the X series, so that would put it at 23XX. Master Albert has been working on Model W for over 300 years, but we don't know how long it's been between when the Zero series ended and Albert started on the project, so it could've taken a long time for society to rebuild. Thus it's been 700 years since the original Mega Man fought Dr. Wily, and it seems that the works of Thomas Light has been lost to time judging by the loose continuity.
* The events of the previous series are probably not ''entirely'' lost, given that the Three Sages knew enough to name themselves after the founding roboticists. They just know about as much about 20XX as we do the 14th century- less, even, given that most data would have been on short-lived storage media, and most of the rest would have been destroyed in the unending massively violent warfare between 21XX and 23XX.

[[WMG: [[VideoGame/MegaManZX Giro]] is Zero.]]
The official materials say that Zero's body was never found after Ragnarok, but if that's the case then how did Ciel make a biometal for him? Whether it's a copy or the real thing she'd need a base of some kind to get the information from. In X's case, she used a refined and debugged version of the data she had on Copy X, but in Zero's case she got it from the man himself. Zero survived Ragnarok (we only saw his broken ''helmet'', not the rest of his body), and having ended the human/reploid wars for good, he dropped his weapons and ceased to be a war machine, devoting himself to helping Ciel better the world through peaceful means. Of course he was still a reploid and eventually outlived her, but he kept in contact with Alouette and the Guardians and assisted them in a non-combat function until the beginning of ZX, when he used Model Z -- which, ''of course,'' biomatched with him perfectly -- in place of the equipment he'd long since discarded. Unfortunately Zero had gone so long without fighting that he was only at a fraction of his total ability when he first faced Serpent, and got sucker-punched when Serpent pulled out Model W.
* Except for that WordOfGod has ''explicitly'' said that [[{{Jossed}} Zero and Giro are not one in the same]]. [[{{Expy}} Similar?]] You can bet your life he is. But the same guy? No. As for the Biometal? [[spoiler:Ciel studied Model W (aka the remains of the fusion between Dr. Weil and Ragnarok) and used her research as the basis for the other 6 Biometals. It's unknown if Model Z is a SoulJar for Zero, but at the very least, it retains/emulates elements of his personality, right down to his kinship with Model X (X) and the one-sided FoeYay-esque rivalry with Model L (Fairy Leviathan).]]
* As for the lack of body... he was on the ''open surface'' of a space station burning up on reentry. And there wasn't nearly as much of him to burn up as Weil.

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Because both of them are hosts for Lumine. It's hinted that Lumine possessed Axl at the end of X8. Also, Albert's final form bears a slight resemblance to him. Albert/Lumine based his biometal on the last fully reploid body he had before switching over to a cyborg host.

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Because both of them are hosts for Lumine. It's hinted that Lumine possessed Axl at the end of X8. Also, Albert's final form bears a slight resemblance to him. Albert/Lumine based his biometal on the last fully reploid body he had before switching over to a cyborg host.host.

[[WMG: Model a (lowercase) is original Mega Man's biometal]]
Not only is he 8-bit, he plays exactly like classic Mega Man.

[[WMG: The Biometals are only copies of the heroes. The true heroes are dead.]]
True, Model L, P, H, and F act like they are the real heroes, but they only have the memories of the legendary heroes. Same with Model X and Model Z. They were given all the memories the legendary heroes had, by Ceil. Ceil found it was impossible to bring them back to life, so she just copied them, the same thing she did with X in the Zero series. Only this time, she copied them much better. To prove this, look at Omega and Model O. Model O can be obtained through normal gameplay, as well as the battle with Omega, but you can't use Model O until you beat the game once, probably to prevent it from becoming a game breaker, but I believe it is still canon. You can fight Omega with Model O, so Model O must be a copy of Omega. Also, Model Albert is clearly a copy of Albert. Albert says he downloaded his plan into Model A, and talks about other things he's given Model A, and the fact that it"s called "Model Albert" all point to Model A being Albert. But that's impossible, Albert is standing right there. It's simple, Model Albert is a copy with Albert's memories, and his mind (Thus giving him his plan). Model A was supposed to give Grey Albert's plan and tell him what to do, so it makes sense that he would be a duplicate of Albert. And since Grey was under mind control, Model A would've been the one who would truly replace Albert. Model W is also not Weil, but Weil's robotic body revived, with his memories and basically everything Weil had, making it basically the same thing.
* Given that these are robots we're dealing with (albeit ridiculously human ones), and they already all switch bodies regularly (we call it "extra lives"), if they have all the memories, how is it truly different, philosophically speaking, from the original? The original X died halfway through the first level of MMX, for example, if you look at it that way.
** It's the same as the difference between X and Copy X of the Zero series. Just the biometals are much better copies. Ceil does consider copying a reploid just as good as bringing them back to life. That's why she copied X when she found out she couldn't revive him, and she didn't bother to tell anyone (outside of Zero and maybe the resistance) because she figured a copy is just as good as the original anyways. If it was just a switch of bodies, you shouldn't be able to fight Omega with his own biometal (and Albert, but his Biometal could be an exception since he never died). Also, WordOfGod when talking about the creation of the biometals is actually more vague then the game is. WordOfGod leaves open the possibility that the biometals are in fact copies.

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* Master Thomas: Everlasting peace. Yes, I once believed that. Oh, I believed that. But then came the Elf Wars. Then came the [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel pain and horror and blood and suffering.]] The world [[CrapsackWorld turned into Hell.]] Being a LiteralPacifist can no longer work. I needed to [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans desperately heal the world.]] I needed [[WellIntentionedExtremist save the world.]] The only way this can work is if the planet is reset. To be back to what the world was like before Wily and I went at it.

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* Master Thomas: Everlasting peace. Yes, I once believed that. Oh, I believed that. But then came the Elf Wars. Then came the [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel pain and horror and blood and suffering.]] The world [[CrapsackWorld turned into Hell.]] Being a LiteralPacifist can no longer work. I needed to [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans desperately heal the world.]] I needed need to [[WellIntentionedExtremist save the world.]] The only way this can work is if the planet is reset. To be back to what the world was like before Wily and I went at it.






He was, at worst, a well intentioned extremist after he joined the game of destiny. Keep in mind that he would have been directly recruited, then, by [[CompleteMonster the man running the whole game, prometheus, or pandora.]] My theory is he only started trying to wipe out humans after he came into contact with someone who had a powerful connection to [[SealedEvilInACan Model w.]] Unfortunately for poor Thetis, this implies [[MindRape some things]] were done to him to make him more acepting of the implications of the game of destiny.

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He was, at worst, a well intentioned extremist after he joined the game of destiny. Keep in mind that he would have been directly recruited, then, by [[CompleteMonster the man running the whole game, prometheus, or pandora.]] My theory is he only started trying to wipe out humans after he came into contact with someone who had a powerful connection to [[SealedEvilInACan Model w.]] Unfortunately for poor Thetis, this implies [[MindRape some things]] were done to him to make him more acepting of the implications of the game of destiny.destiny.

[[WMG: Model A is Axl ''and'' Albert.]]
Because both of them are hosts for Lumine. It's hinted that Lumine possessed Axl at the end of X8. Also, Albert's final form bears a slight resemblance to him. Albert/Lumine based his biometal on the last fully reploid body he had before switching over to a cyborg host.
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** Alternately: Light can't do what he needs to do all alone. He needs help. He needs me.

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** Alternately: Light can't do what he needs to do all alone. He needs help. He needs me.me.
[[WMG: Thetis is not evil]]
He was, at worst, a well intentioned extremist after he joined the game of destiny. Keep in mind that he would have been directly recruited, then, by [[CompleteMonster the man running the whole game, prometheus, or pandora.]] My theory is he only started trying to wipe out humans after he came into contact with someone who had a powerful connection to [[SealedEvilInACan Model w.]] Unfortunately for poor Thetis, this implies [[MindRape some things]] were done to him to make him more acepting of the implications of the game of destiny.
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*** Time machine. Wily's had access to one before. Now why he chose to stay in the future, THAT'S another question.
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** The problem with Master Albert being Doctor Wily himself is the same as the problem with Dr. Weil being Dr. Wily. How did Wily manage to live throughout the entire Mega Man X series, up until the Zero series (and in this case, beyond that) on his own? If he was Weil he had to survive until he was given the cyborg body by Neo Arcadia, in the which case their punishment- a body that refused to let him die- would be lessened. If he's Master Albert, how did Wily live roughly half a millennium without being discovered on a planet that's had at least one colony dropped on it?
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* Master Thomas: Everlasting peace. Yes, I once believed that. Oh, I believed that. But then came the Elf Wars. Then came the [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel pain and horror and blood and suffering.]] The world [[CrapsackWorld turned into Hell.]] Being a LiteralPacifist can no longer work. I needed to [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans desperately heal the world.]] I needed [[WellIntentionedExtremist save the world.]] The only way this can work is if the planet is reset. To be back to what the world was like before I and Wily went at it.

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* Master Thomas: Everlasting peace. Yes, I once believed that. Oh, I believed that. But then came the Elf Wars. Then came the [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel pain and horror and blood and suffering.]] The world [[CrapsackWorld turned into Hell.]] Being a LiteralPacifist can no longer work. I needed to [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans desperately heal the world.]] I needed [[WellIntentionedExtremist save the world.]] The only way this can work is if the planet is reset. To be back to what the world was like before I and Wily and I went at it.

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