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25th Sep '16 10:51:11 PM Cerys
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* Alternately, it's not the 70s at all: it's actually a test being done in the future, far enough ahead that they don't actually know the difference between '70s culture and '50s culture. They were (will be) using different sets of clones with the same sets of memories, and the same "title" for each character- Hawkeye for the happy-go-lucky manic-not-depressive surgeon, BJ for his PutOnABus partner and BJ for his replacement, Burns for the belligerent thinks-he-knows-it-all, Houlihan for the snarky love interest. Two of the same O'Reilly series clones (Radar) happened to be used for the groups of the movie and the television series.

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* Alternately, it's not the 70s at all: it's actually a test being done in the future, far enough ahead that they don't actually know the difference between '70s culture and '50s culture. They were (will be) using different sets of clones with the same sets of memories, and the same "title" for each character- Hawkeye for the happy-go-lucky manic-not-depressive surgeon, BJ Trapper for his PutOnABus partner and BJ for his replacement, Burns for the belligerent thinks-he-knows-it-all, Houlihan for the snarky love interest. Two of the same O'Reilly series clones (Radar) happened to be used for the groups of the movie and the television series.
7th Aug '16 12:39:38 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: Colonel Flagg is really [[TheDCU Rick Flagg Senior]].]]

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[[WMG: Colonel Flagg is really [[TheDCU [[Franchise/TheDCU Rick Flagg Senior]].]]
24th Mar '16 2:08:19 AM Folded13
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** Mechurochrome (the substance that Hawkeye requested) is an antiseptic, not an antibiotic. Roughly equivalent in usage to iodine or bactine, not penicillin.


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**** Mechurochrome (the substance that Hawkeye requested) is an antiseptic, not an antibiotic. Roughly equivalent in usage to iodine or bactine, not penicillin.
13th Dec '15 5:59:04 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG:Radar is a [[Franchise/{{X-Men}} Mutant]].]]

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[[WMG:Radar is a [[Franchise/{{X-Men}} [[Franchise/XMen Mutant]].]]
13th Dec '15 12:34:38 PM Hyrin
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[[WMG: Loose was pregnant when she and Frank got married]]

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[[WMG: Loose Louise was pregnant when she and Frank got married]]
13th Dec '15 12:33:26 PM Hyrin
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[[WMG: Loose was pregnant when she and Frank got married]]
In the footage of Frank and Louise's wedding, he is the only one shown to be happy, with the few guests that arrived looking to be out for blood. Given Frank's libido, it's easy to assume he talked Louise into having sex (or possibly raped her, when you look at how aggressively he goes after Margaret at times) before they were married, and impregnated her. With her family's wealth, he was quite happy to 'be a man' and marry her, despite the lack of genuine affection on either side.
29th Nov '15 5:57:45 AM maxwellsilver
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Now, in Fawlty towers, there is a running gag on how Mr. Fawlty was in the Korean War and how he "killed four men". One time Sybel tells a customer "he was in the catering core, he used to poison them." and Mr. Fawlty often complains of painful shrapnel in his leg...

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Now, in Fawlty towers, there is a running gag on how Mr. Fawlty was in the Korean War and how he "killed four men". One time Sybel tells a customer "he was in the catering core, corps, he used to poison them." and Mr. Fawlty often complains of painful shrapnel in his leg...



*** Klinger implies a few times that his family is Muslim (various references to Allah stand out), although Mulcahey once references him as an athiest.

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*** Klinger implies a few times that his family is Muslim (various references to Allah stand out), although Mulcahey once references him as an athiest.atheist.



The proof? The overly lengthy war...the even lengthier hairstyles not in fashion in this universes' 1950's...the surprisingly modern views towards women and minorities...the lack of smoking in later episodes....the lack of military discipline or order...and the relative lack of friction between the Korean population and the characters.

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The proof? The overly lengthy war...the even lengthier hairstyles not in fashion in this universes' universe's' 1950's...the surprisingly modern views towards women and minorities...the lack of smoking in later episodes....the lack of military discipline or order...and the relative lack of friction between the Korean population and the characters.



Just like ''Series/{{Life On Mars|2006}}'' and ''AshesToAshes'' provide purgatory for Coppers, so the 4077th gives a place for those army doctors and corpsmen who have seen too much to work out their issues and move on. That is why it is a mishmash of 50s-70s stuff.

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Just like ''Series/{{Life On Mars|2006}}'' and ''AshesToAshes'' ''Series/AshesToAshes'' provide purgatory for Coppers, so the 4077th gives a place for those army doctors and corpsmen who have seen too much to work out their issues and move on. That is why it is a mishmash of 50s-70s stuff.



*** Gee, it's not like they could, you know, ''''move'''' to a different location. This is supposed to be early in the war, when M*A*S*H units were ''exceptionally'' adept at mobilisation and could move at practically a moment's notice. It was only after the battlelines stablised and the need to bugging out decreased, resulting near disasterous attempts in late 1952-53 (the comments in earlier seasons about spending considerable amounts of time in one location, and acting as though moving to a new location was completely foreign to the camp are totally inaccurate).

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*** Gee, it's not like they could, you know, ''''move'''' to a different location. This is supposed to be early in the war, when M*A*S*H units were ''exceptionally'' adept at mobilisation and could move at practically a moment's notice. It was only after the battlelines stablised and the need to bugging out decreased, resulting near disasterous disastrous attempts in late 1952-53 (the comments in earlier seasons about spending considerable amounts of time in one location, and acting as though moving to a new location was completely foreign to the camp are totally inaccurate).



**** An ammo dump located in the vicinity of a medical unit does not stip that unit of its protected status. Charlie was bombing the dump regardless of what collateral damage he caused, and the DPRK was not concerned with international regulation (they executed chaplains on capture and their snipers used the Red Cross painted on medics' helmets to aim).
* Hawkeye steals a literal gallon of antibiotics and four dozen bedsheets and wastes both in a deliberate attempt to aide the enemy in destroying an allied munition depot.

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**** An ammo dump located in the vicinity of a medical unit does not stip strip that unit of its protected status. Charlie was bombing the dump regardless of what collateral damage he caused, and the DPRK was not concerned with international regulation (they executed chaplains on capture and their snipers used the Red Cross painted on medics' helmets to aim).
* Hawkeye steals a literal gallon of antibiotics and four dozen bedsheets and wastes both in a deliberate attempt to aide aid the enemy in destroying an allied munition depot.



*** Hawkeye seems vehemenly opposed to releasing her before interrogation is even ''mentioned'', and the only proof we get that Mako tortures prisoners is a rumour and hearsay at best by someone with the 4077, and we never get any real confirmation.

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*** Hawkeye seems vehemenly vehemently opposed to releasing her before interrogation is even ''mentioned'', and the only proof we get that Mako tortures prisoners is a rumour and hearsay at best by someone with the 4077, and we never get any real confirmation.



*** This falls apart when one remembers that Hawkeye wasted a literal gallon of antibiotics in "Five O'Clock Charlie", in a deliberate attempt to aide the enemy. It's also strange that he would stop Flagg from gathering information that could prevent bloodshed, doubly so when one considers the penicillin would be used on patients being treated in a far lower standard of care than that afforded by the 4077.

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*** This falls apart when one remembers that Hawkeye wasted a literal gallon of antibiotics in "Five O'Clock Charlie", in a deliberate attempt to aide aid the enemy. It's also strange that he would stop Flagg from gathering information that could prevent bloodshed, doubly so when one considers the penicillin would be used on patients being treated in a far lower standard of care than that afforded by the 4077.



But regained it later. He claims to be an Atheist in one episode, but later he is seen praying. Father Mulcahy commented on the peculiarity of this and Klinger sardonically responded he "Gave[Atheism] up for Lent". My guess is that when he was drafted, Klinger Prayed desperately not to be sent to Korea but was denied this. Thus, he lost faith. But after accepting his life and becoming friends with Mulcahy, he eventually regained it which is why it was never mentioned after the first few seasons.

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But regained it later. He claims to be an Atheist in one episode, but later he is seen praying. Father Mulcahy commented on the peculiarity of this and Klinger sardonically responded he "Gave[Atheism] "Gave [Atheism] up for Lent". My guess is that when he was drafted, Klinger Prayed desperately not to be sent to Korea but was denied this. Thus, he lost faith. But after accepting his life and becoming friends with Mulcahy, he eventually regained it which is why it was never mentioned after the first few seasons.
15th Sep '15 1:50:56 PM Random888
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* If you look at the show through the lens of the actual state of U.S. politics in the early 1950s (rather than the 1970s when the show was made), it's likelier than you may think that Hawkeye and friends are communists or at least fellow travelers. At that time, U.S. politics was still divided between an internationalist left and an isolationist right. As during World War II, the Korean War was supported by the internationalist left and opposed by the isolationist right. Left-wing opposition to the Korean War was largely limited to the sort of radical progressive circles in which Stalin was regarded as a hero of the working class. Of course, this is really an illusion caused by the show putting 1970s politics into the early 1950s.

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* If you look at the show through the lens of the actual state of U.S. politics in the early 1950s (rather than the 1970s when the show was made), it's likelier than you may think that Hawkeye and friends are communists or at least fellow travelers. At that time, U.S. politics was still divided between an internationalist left and an isolationist right. As during with World War II, the Korean War was supported by the internationalist left and opposed by the isolationist right. Left-wing opposition to the Korean War was largely limited to the sort of radical progressive circles in which Stalin was regarded as a hero of the working class. Of course, this is really an illusion caused by the show putting 1970s politics into the early 1950s.
15th Sep '15 1:39:52 PM Random888
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* If you look at the show through the lens of the actual state of U.S. politics in the early 1950s (rather than the 1970s when the show was made), it's likelier than you may think that Hawkeye and friends are communists or at least fellow travelers. At that time, U.S. politics was still divided between an internationalist left and an isolationist right. As during World War II, the Korean War was supported by the internationalist left and opposed by the isolationist right. Left-wing opposition to the Korean War was largely limited to the sort of radical progressive circles in which Stalin was regarded as a hero of the working class. Of course, this is really an illusion caused by the show putting 1970s politics into the early 1950s.
22nd Aug '15 8:13:16 PM Mdumas43073
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[[WMG: Series/FawltyTowers exists in the M*A*S*H universe]]

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[[WMG: Series/FawltyTowers ''Series/FawltyTowers'' exists in the M*A*S*H universe]]''M*A*S*H'' universe.]]



[[WMG: There are multiple MASH universes]]

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[[WMG: There are multiple MASH universes]]''M*A*S*H'' universes.]]



[[WMG: Colonel Flagg appeared in disguise in the episode Deal Me Out]]
Colonel Flagg was a self proclaimed master of disguise and CID man. In the episode Deal Me Out a CID man, played by Edward Winter, appeared and played Poker with several people including Sydney Freedman. In the episode Quo Vadis, Captain Chandler, Flagg asked Freedman, "Didn't we play poker once?" Flagg wanted to survey the 4077 in Deal Me Out, hence the disguise.

[[WMG: The 4077th is a 1970s zone in 1950s Korea.]] Think of ''The Brady Bunch Movie'' and how the Bradys were still stuck in the '70s during the '90s. Well, ''M*A*S*H'' is the same thing, but in reverse. It's the 1970s at the 4077th, but everywhere else it's still the 1950s.

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[[WMG: Colonel Flagg appeared Flagg's first appearance was in disguise in the episode Deal Me Out]]
disguise.]]
Colonel Flagg was a self proclaimed master of disguise and CID man. In the episode Deal "Deal Me Out Out", a CID man, played man named Captain Halloran (played by Edward Winter, Winter) appeared and played Poker with several people including Sydney Sidney Freedman. In the episode Quo "Quo Vadis, Captain Chandler, Chandler", Flagg asked Freedman, "Didn't we play poker once?" Flagg wanted to survey the 4077 in Deal "Deal Me Out, Out", hence the disguise.

[[WMG: The 4077th is a 1970s zone in 1950s Korea.]] ]]
Think of ''The Brady Bunch Movie'' and how the Bradys were still stuck in the '70s during the '90s. Well, ''M*A*S*H'' is the same thing, but in reverse. It's the 1970s at the 4077th, but everywhere else it's still the 1950s.



[[WMG: The 4077th is trapped in a GroundhogDayLoop]] This explains why years keep repeating. It also provides an explanation for the above theory: the 4077th went through so many permutations that they advanced onwards to the 1970s, leaving the rest of the world back in the 1950s.

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[[WMG: The 4077th is trapped in a GroundhogDayLoop]] GroundhogDayLoop.]]
This explains why years keep repeating. It also provides an explanation for the above theory: the 4077th went through so many permutations that they advanced onwards to the 1970s, leaving the rest of the world back in the 1950s.



[[WMG: It's all a psych test]]

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[[WMG: It's all a psych test]]test.]]



[[WMG: Series/{{Mash}} and ''Series/TheXFiles'' are set in the same continuity, and either Bill Mulder or the CSM was Major Flagg (Ed Winter's character) from M*A*S*H]]

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[[WMG: Series/{{Mash}} ''M*A*S*H'' and ''Series/TheXFiles'' are set in the same continuity, and either Bill Mulder or the CSM was Major Flagg (Ed Winter's character) from M*A*S*H]]really Colonel Flagg.]]



Also, it is common knowledge that ''M*A*S*H'' and ''Series/TheXFiles'' [[http://poobala.com/crossoverlist.html take place in the same universe.]]

Further similarities between the X-Files and M*A*S*H include:

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Also, it is common knowledge that Further similarities between ''The X-Files'' and ''M*A*S*H'' and ''Series/TheXFiles'' [[http://poobala.com/crossoverlist.html take place in the same universe.]]

Further similarities between the X-Files and M*A*S*H
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[[WMG: Colonel Flagg is actually Creator/StephenKing's Flagg]]
Problem is, his usual methods of sowing chaos for The Red King only work on people who take themselves too seriously, like the weaker minds in TheStand and Franchise/TheDarkTower, or Frank Burns. He was forced to resort to the oft-cited temporal whammy on the medics, but it left his form in the MASH universe in a state of growing increasingly caricature-like. Like faith for those in TheStand, and like ka for those in Franchise/TheDarkTower, the 4077th's sense of humor broke the Walkin' Dude's power there.

[[WMG: Colonel Flagg is [[TheDCU Rick Flagg Senior]].]]

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[[WMG: Colonel Flagg is actually Creator/StephenKing's Flagg]]
Randall Flagg.]]
Problem is, his usual methods of sowing chaos for The Red King only work on people who take themselves too seriously, like the weaker minds in TheStand ''Literature/TheStand'' and Franchise/TheDarkTower, ''Franchise/TheDarkTower'', or Frank Burns. He was forced to resort to the oft-cited temporal whammy on the medics, but it left his form in the MASH ''M*A*S*H'' universe in a state of growing increasingly caricature-like. Like faith for those in TheStand, ''The Stand'', and like ka for those in Franchise/TheDarkTower, ''The Dark Tower'', the 4077th's sense of humor broke the Walkin' Dude's power there.

[[WMG: Colonel Flagg is really [[TheDCU Rick Flagg Senior]].]]



[[WMG:M*A*S*H takes place in an alternate universe where the Korean War lasted for almost 9 years longer than it did in the is reality.]]

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[[WMG:M*A*S*H [[WMG: ''M*A*S*H'' takes place in an alternate universe where the Korean War lasted for almost 9 nine years longer than it did in the is our reality.]]



[[WMG: Radar is a chameleon-arched timelord]]

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[[WMG: Radar is a chameleon-arched timelord]]timelord.]]



[[WMG: The 4077th is purgatory for army medics]]

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[[WMG: The 4077th is purgatory for army medics]]U.S. Army medics.]]
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