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[[WMG:The Eastern Nova family family is even more convoluted than the game lets on.]]

If the rumored assault really did happen and Adair actually was born just long after Cayleigh and Fabian's wedding to be Fabian's, it's entirely possible that Adair is at the very least a MamasBabyPapasMaybe in the eyes of those who know the truth, which would include Arisse and Fabian. Who then had MarriageOfConvenience to allow Adair to grow up with his (possible) half-siblings.

** When Lucille uses Cayleigh's DeathByChilbirth to make Elodie delay he own first pregnancy, she mentions Cayleigh was under a lot of pressure to produce a heir. This means that nobody would have batted an eye at Adair being born in a timeframe that would allow him to be "wedding night" baby.

Intigue 80 reveals that there is a rumor going around about Arisse's second husband Jael having assaulted Adair mother Cayleigh before her marriage. Now, let's look at other things we know:

** Fabian's gala dialogue also mentions that Adair is PraticallyDifferentGenerations with his other children to an extent that he never knew them. Meanwhile, Arisse's three youngest, who are the children she had with Jael, are not that much older than Adair. On top of this, leaving Adair with Arisse's family in one form or another tends to be the best choice overall for runs in which Elodie doesn't marry him.
If the rumored assault really did happen and Adair actually was born just long after Cayleigh and Fabian's wedding to be Fabian's, it's entirely possible that Adair is a MamasBabyPapasMaybe in the eyes of those who know the truth, which would include Arisse and Fabian.

** When Lucille uses Cayleigh's DeathByChilbirth to make Elodie delay he own first pregnancy, she mentions Cayleigh was under a lot of pressure to produce a heir. This means that nobody would have batted an eye at Adair being born in a timeframe that would allow him to be wedding night baby.

The Epilogue mention that after Shanjia's [[spoiler:invasion of Nova has failed]], even more so if they were [[spoiler:defeated in naval battle]], [[spoiler: Togami will plan a second invasion by raising new invading army, at the expense of National Treasury (and possibly, citizen's welfare) which caused internal crisis]]. This [[spoiler:defeat]] will surely destroy Shanjia's image as "unstoppable conquering horde" in the minds of the conquered people, and will give them the long awaited chance to revolt.

The Epilogue mention that after Shanjia's [[spoiler:invasion of Nova has failed]], even more so if they were [[spoiler:defeated in naval battle]], [[spoiler: Togami will plan a second invasion by raising new invading army, at the expense of National Treasury (and possibly, citizen's welfare) which caused internal crisis]]. This [[spoiler:defeat]] will surely destroy Shanjia's image as "unstoppable conquering horde" in the minds of the conquered people, and this will embolden them to revolt.

** Lumens acting in tandem to sink fleets ''causes'' more monsters to be spawned, monsters that can't be killed with simple magic. While she probably could have done more about the old capital, it's explicit in the game that using raw magic like that would only make things worse and is almost certainly what turned it into a no-go zone in the first place.

There are many things that speak against her being a truly good ruler. She might have been a good mother and wife, and be genuinely mourned in her own circles, but beyond that, people are probably glad to have someone else in her place.

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[[WMG: Jiavar was the location of the first Lumen civilization, not Borealis.]]

[[WMG: Bennett is Lieke's third husband.]]

Lieke was said to have divorced Yannik soon after Gwenelle was born "to marry another," but it's never explicitly said to be Bennett that she married. Bennett was only thirteen or fourteen at the time of Gwenelle's birth, and Gwenelle says that [[spoiler:he ran away from home when he was around her age (fifteen), which caused his mother to disown him, implying he was still living with his family at the time. Gwenelle also says that he spent time travelling the world, which is time that needs to be accounted for.]] It's not impossible that he was married to Lieke when all this happened, but it seems unlikely. Finally, their son together, Anciet, is only eight-going-on-nine, meaning that we only know for a fact that Lieke and Bennett have been involved for a little under a decade.

[[WMG: Here's a lightweight one: Elodie likes green eyes]]

[[WMG: In some continuities, incinerating Kevan leads to far more serious consequences than just a drop in approval.]]

[[WMG: Ignatius was disinherited for something have to do with magic.]]

If Julianna is any indication, the House of Ursul takes its duty towards Nova and magic very seriously. It's possible Duke Paulus thought Julianna was better equipped to handle the ostracism that comes with openly being a Lumen and decided to leave his crystal and duchy to her. Alternatively, Ignatius made it clear that he didn't want to live as a social pariah by taking up his father's crystal, so his father denied him the duchy. [[ParentalFavoritism Or maybe Julianna always showed more promise from the beginning and their father just decided to place his hopes in her instead of his disappointing elder son.]]

[[WMG: Lucille's claim of being descended from the Mervan line is legit.]]

[[spoiler: She has its Lumen crystal, but couldn't present it as proof of her lineage without blowing her secret.]] Her actions regarding Elodie are essentially revenge against Fidelia for not giving her the Mervan title, which is why she can be appeased by elevating her to a royal minister or giving her the title she wanted all along.

[[WMG: Fidelia knew that Lucille [[spoiler:is a Lumen.]]]]

Since Julianna is openly a Lumen, [[spoiler:anyone trying to hide a secret crystal would know to keep their distance from her. Lucille would not know to avoid Selene, but as a non-noble priestess, it's likely they never crossed paths. But Fidelia was also openly a Lumen, and if Lucille was trying to keep her own secret, she could not have dared come too close to the Queen without being revealed.]] So did Fidelia know or didn't she?

[[WMG: The game was inspired by the first {{Literature/Deryni}} trilogy]]

It's an actual German name meaning "ruler of the people", fitting for a king in training. Plus it has the word "die" in it, just like Elodie.

Elodie's situation is very similar to Kelson's, as a child-ruler who has to rule after the sudden death of their reigning parent [[spoiler:which was secretly caused by a hostile, ambitious foreign noble]] but also has to wait until they legally come of age and is almost killed multiple times before the official coronation. Their surviving parent acts as their regent and wants to protect them, but is adamantly against them learning magic, despite it being traditional and probably necessary for their survival. Another prominent adviser is the one noble who openly uses magic and acts as their tutor despite their parent's objections and personal dislike, and their teacher is close friends with a prominent member of the court clergy [[spoiler:who is also secretly another magic-user]] with a secret relationship that makes them even closer. The kingdom the new monarch rules traditionally has a mage ruler while other magic users are persecuted, and one of their goals is to make magic and magic-users in general more accepted in society.

Since Julianna is openly a Lumen, [[spoiler:anyone trying to hide a secret crystal would know to keep their distance from her. Lucille would not know to avoid Selene, but as a non-noble priestess, it's likely they never crossed paths. But Fidelia was also openly a Lumen, and if Lucille was trying to keep her own secret, she could not have dared come too close to the Queen without being revealed.]] So did Fidelia know or didn't she?

[[WMG: Here's a lightweight one: Elodie likes GreenEyes]]

One issue with this theory is that it's likely other characters ''should'' know about this too, but they apparently don't. Specifically, [[spoiler:Julianna and Selene either don't know that Lucille is a Lumen -- though they should be skilled enough to sense her -- or else they ''do'' know but act as if they don't, even in urgent matters where they really should bring it up (gathering magic-users at the naval battle, Mervan threats on Elodie's life). It's possible that they're sympathetic to the plight of hidden Lumens and will keep it a secret even in dire situations, such as Julianna not outing Selene when discussing the naval battle or when preparing Elodie to go into hiding. That said, it's possible that they would only go to such lengths for someone they love, and not for any Lumens they're ''not'' romantically involved with.]]

One issue with this theory is that it's likely other characters ''should'' know about this too, but they apparently don't. Specifically, [[spoiler:Julianna and Selene either don't know that Lucille is a Lumen -- though they should be skilled enough to sense her -- or else they ''do'' know but act as if they don't, even in urgent matters where they really should bring it up (gathering magic-users at the naval battle, Mervan threats on Elodie's life). It's possible that they're sympathetic to the plight of hidden noble Lumens and will keep it a secret even in dire situations, such as Julianna not outing Selene when discussing the naval battle or when preparing Elodie to go into hiding. That said, it's possible that they would only go to such lengths for someone they love, and not for any Lumens they're ''not'' romantically involved with.]]

One issue with this theory is that it's likely other characters ''should'' know about this too, but they apparently don't. Specifically, [[spoiler:Julianna and Selene either don't know that Lucille is a Lumen - though they should be skilled enough to sense her - or else they ''do'' know but act as if they don't, even in urgent matters where they really should bring it up (gathering magic-users at the naval battle, Mervan threats on Elodie's life). It's possible that they're sympathetic to the plight of hidden noble Lumens and will keep it a secret even in dire situations, such as Julianna not outing Selene even when discussing the naval battle. That said, it's possible that they would only go to such lengths for someone they love, and not for any Lumens they're ''not'' romantically involved with.]]

[[spoiler: She has its Lumen crystal, but couldn't present it as proof of her lineage without blowing her secret.]] Her actions regarding Elodie are essentially revenge against Fidelia for not giving her the Mervan title, which is why she can be appeased by elevating her to a royal minister or giving her the title she wanted all along.

If Julianna is any indication, the House of Ursul takes its duty towards Nova and magic very seriously. It's possible Duke Paulus thought Julianna was better equipped to handle the ostracism that comes with openly being a Lumen and decided to leave his crystal and duchy to her. Alternatively, Ignatius made it clear that he didn't want to live as a social pariah by taking up his father's crystal, so his father denied him the duchy. [[ParentalFavoritism Or maybe Julianna always showed more promise from the beginning and their father just decided to place his hopes in her instead of his disappointing elder son.]]

* Kevan will only attack Elodie if Arisse or Briony is dead. If Elodie recruits Arisse at the birthday party, she mentions Briony's questions about the old capital and Arisse will promptly head them off at the pass whether or not Elodie knew what she was talking about. If civil war breaks out after the party and Briony hasn't gone with Elodie, she stays alive, possibly because all the turmoil keeps her from making it to the Old Forest. However, if civil war ''hasn't'' broken out because Arisse isn't quite ''that'' annoyed with Elodie yet, and Kevan goes off half-cocked over Briony, immolating him would be a very possible tipping point.

Inspired by a bit of Fridge Horror I just had. His mother is the second most powerful woman in Nova, and if she becomes Elodie's mentor as an alternative to civil war (meaning Elodie's already on thin ice with her), she'll be at the tournament, meaning she'll actually see Elodie set her son on fire.[[note]]Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think these events are incompatible, though I have yet to get them in the same playthrough.[[/note]] Estranged or not, that would be the last straw. With the low opinion most Novans have of Lumens and Elodie's growing reputation for cruelty, Arisse should have little trouble getting support for a second rebellion just as western Nova is still reeling from Shanjia's invasion, potentially tearing Nova apart.

We're not told much about Elodie's taste in men/women besides that she thinks Kiran and Talarist are good-looking (and we don't even see Kiran). But at least four of her endgame options have them -- [[spoiler:Kevan, Ignatius, Briony, and the Earl of Pastry]] -- and those are all endings with a "romantic" component. In the case of the last one, it's one of the only things we know about him aside from the baking.

* Not quite {{Jossed}}, but made less likely in late update to the game: the wording of the Internal Affairs lesson that talks about Lieke's marriage to Yannik is changed from "divorced him...in order to marry another" to "divorced him...in order to be free to marry another". Lieke could have still married someone unimportant in between Yannik and Bennett, but the rewording takes away the certainty of a marriage happening soon after Gwenelle's birth.

Lieke's second husband was probably someone unimportant to the plot or greater nobility, hence why he doesn't get a name.

Lieke was said to have divorced Yannik soon after Gwenelle was born "to marry another," but it's never explicitly said to be Bennett. Bennett was only thirteen or fourteen at the time of Gwenelle's birth, and Gwenelle says that [[spoiler:he ran away from home when he was around her age (fifteen), which caused his mother to disown him, implying he was still living with his family at the time. Gwenelle also says that he spent time travelling the world, which is time that needs to be accounted for.]] It's not impossible that he was married to Lieke when all this happened, but it seems unlikely. Finally, their son together, Anciet, is only eight-going-on-nine, meaning that we only know for a fact that Lieke and Bennett have been involved for a little under a decade.

If a magical society did exist in Jiavar, it would explain why the Shanjian Togami - a possible descendant - was able to bond with a crystal and perhaps explain where he got his crystal in the first place.

The story of a civilization that flourished but then fell apart is one that repeats itself in the game's backstory, and that civilization is always a Lumen one. It is said that the first ''recorded'' Lumens came from Borealis, but that just means that they were the first magic-using people on record. No one knows what became of the ancient civilization of Jiavar, just that they vanished without a trace and left only their stone buildings. It's possible that there are no surviving records from that time, or that no one has been able to translate them. A disaster brought upon by magic might have spelled the end for Jiavar's ancient civilization.

If a magical society did exist in Jiavar, it would explain why the Shanjian Togami was able to bond with a crystal and perhaps explain where he got his crystal in the first place.