History WMG / KnightsOfTheOldRepublic

* In Ajunta Pall's tomb, the only two non-Jedi party members who comment on seeing the Sith ghost are Carth and HK-47. HK remarks that he detects something strange on his sensors. Carth can not only see the ghost, but ''understand what he's saying.''

* Counterpoint: All the other games at PlayStation Showcase 2021 had release dates as late as 2023 while still having more footage than the KOTOR remake reveal teaser, so the remake may come out after 2023.

[[WMG:[[Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker Exegol]] will make an appearance and play an important role in the story.]]
It would especially make sense if the remake reintroduces the Old Republic to canon. Aside from being the planet Darth Revan ends up on in place of its Legends counterpart Dromund Kaas, it could also be the final resting place of the Star Forge. (And it would explain how Darth Sidious builds a new army millennia later)

It would especially make sense if the remake reintroduces the Old Republic to canon. Aside from being the planet Darth Revan ends up on in place of its Legends counterpart Dromund Kaas, it could also be the final resting place of the Star Forge. (And it would be the reason how Darth Sidious builds a new army millennia later)

It would especially make sense if the remake reintroduces the Old Republic to canon. Aside from obviously being a secondary headquarters for the Sith Empire alongside Korriban, Exegol could maybe even be the planet where the Star Forge was created.

!WMG for the video game ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'':

* Cortosis is supposed to be a rare material, but it's found in weapons and armor all throughout the KOTOR games. This is because all the Cortosis from anywhere where it was plentiful was used up during the KOTOR era by putting it in just about everything during a time when countless Jedi and Sith were constantly running around fighting each other.

* Cortosis is supposed to be a rare material, but it's found in weapons and armor all throughout the KOTOR games. This is because all the Cortosis from anywhere where it was plentiful was used up during the KOTOR era by putting it in just about everything during a time when countless Jedi and Sith were constantly running around fighting each other.


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* Telos is historically an Agricorps world, staffed by Force-sensitives who declined or washed out of Jedi training. We know that Force sensitivity strongly runs InTheBlood. We know Carth is a native of Telos. And we saw what happened to Carth's son.

* Another bit from the Leviathan. If you roll a female Revan, he's the one who gets zapped by the torture cage if Saul doesn't like your answers. Saul comments how strange it is that he takes that kind of punishment ans still remains conscious. Like Leia in ''A New Hope'', he may have been using the Force unknowingly to protect himself.

The fight on Revan's flagship with Bastila and the Jedi striketeam is shown in Revan's visions, but we don't see any of the details of Revan being healed and revived.

* His rantings come off as paranoid, but they turn out to be ''absolutely true.'' He senses right off the bat there's something strange about the PlayerCharacter and that the details aren't adding up for him. He is pissed off because he can sense the Jedi are leading them on - and three for three, he's dead on. On some level, he might be able to sense something "off" about the PlayerCharacter, but hasn't the training or the knowledge to put the pieces together.

* If you play female, his last conversation before the temple on rakata Prime has him telling the PlayerCharacter that he senses the Jedi have left them out to hang, and that she'll "have to make a choice very soon" as to her future, one she can't turn away from. If she chooses the Light Side, he blurts out "I sensed you would have to make a choice very soon, and that was ''it,'' I ''can feel it.''"

* If you play female, his last conversation before the Leviathan has him telling the PlayerCharacter that he senses the Jedi have left them out to hang, and that she'll "have to make a choice very soon" as to her future, one she can't turn away from. If she chooses the Light Side, he blurts out "I sensed you would have to make a choice very soon, and that was ''it,'' I ''can feel it.''"

* At Ajunta Pall's tomb, the only two non-Jedi party members who comment on seeing the Sith ghost are Carth and HK-47. HK remarks that he detects something strange on his sensors. Carth can not only see the ghost, but ''understand what he's saying.''

* Some of us will take the hot pilot in the orange jacket or the nice lesbian catgirl. Neither of which will go along with the Dark Side thing

* The evidence is there. You have the choice of having your character speculate that perhaps all the Star Map planets were not always as they were. Tatooine may not have always been a desert. Manaan might not have once been an entirely water planet. Kashyyyk could once have been a much more average planet. The Star Map on Korriban may even be responsible for why the planet is so strong in the Dark Side. Even Dantooine might have been affected: it seems to be in a state of perpetual autumn, with decaying grass and colourless fields. Then why is it green again in the sequel, you ask? As a bit of FridgeBrilliance - it is likely the Star Maps deactivated along with the destruction of the Star Forge. Five years later? Dantooine is in spring at last.

Think about it for a moment. He's been mind raped by the Jedi. Many of his memories have been restored. The woman he's force bonded with (and the one who is his force guide and bond to the light side) has been corrupted. The Sith are winning. And now you can claim the Star Forge and finish your plans from the past. Revan isn't loyal to the Jedi, he's loyal to the future, to the survival of the races of the galaxy. Siding with the losing Jedi and Republic makes no sense, whereas seizing control of the Star Forge and using Bastila's Battle Meditation to get a quick, mostly painless victory is logical, practical and completely in line with what we know of Revan's personality from before the mind rape.

* Doubtful in my eye. If Kreia is to be believed (a dangerous assumption, but I believe she was earnest in this case) Revan was in an inherently good person and did not "fall" to the dark side but made a conscious choice, seeing it as being the lesser of two evils. By the end of [=KotOR1=] Revan recalled very little of his previous life, including his original motives for becoming a Sith Lord. Without this knowledge, the amnesiac Revan simply presumed that he had "fallen" and was leading the Sith for no reason beyond being an evil bastard.

* [=KotOR 2=] establishes that Force-bonds are most likely to suddenly form between Force-sensitive people in life-threatening situations. See above for the evidence of Carth's force sensitivity. Being among a [[SoleSurvivor handful of survivors]] of a Sith-boarded cruiser and having Carth haul the PlayerCharacter's intermittently-conscious butt into hiding from a crashed escape pod on a blockaded, heavily-patrolled world probably counts as sufficiently life-threatening.
* Carth's (uncannily accurate) instincts about the weirdness of the PlayerCharacter's situation and predictions of his/her behavior hint that they share some kind of unusual connection. Despite sporting paranoia as a defining characteristic, Carth comes to trust him/her implicitly, spilling his entire life story and [[spoiler: assuming a female Revan, falling in love with her]], even after figuring out that, in a former life, Revan was the primary force behind the destruction of his home planet, the death of his wife and disappearance of his son, which engendered all of that mulishly paranoid behavior to begin with. [[spoiler: if you play Dark side and female, he will make a last-ditch attempt to turn you back, saying that he loves you and doesn't care about all of the horrible things you've done.]] All of this becomes more probable if you assume the kind of empathy and influence that mark a Force-bond.
* In [=KotOR 2=], The Jedi Master on Nar Shaadaa tells the Exile that to break a Force-bond, "your feelings would have to change, or one of you would have to die— but even then, the bond wouldn't go away, it would simply be empty, a wound." Later in the game if you've set Revan to light-side female, an obviously distraught Carth asserts that he would know if Revan (who has absconded to the Unknown Regions) were dead, and that "there's this emptiness where she used to be."

Revan's alias after losing his memory was Kobet Katarn, and shortly before Revan's departure and imprisonment, he and Bastila Shan secretly got married and had a child. After Revan's imprisonment by the Sith Emperor, Bastila took care of Revan's son, Vaner Shan, whose descendants eventually took the "Katarn" surname after Revan's alias. Eventually, their family line led to the Jedi Master Tal--who, like Revan, had children who were sent into hiding--and even further still, Morgan and Kyle Katarn. This also explains how Kyle was so susceptible to the dark energy of the Sith temple on Dromund Kaas, which most likely contained the spirit of the Sith Emperor, who recognized Kyle as Revan's descendant and tried to corrupt him as he did Revan. Kyle was eventually rescued from the Sith Emperor's thrall by Mara Jade. After the dark side ending to Jedi Knight, Kyle--now the new Emperor--would take up his ancestor's mantle and proclaim himself the new Darth Revan.

When I heard Freyyr describe the terentatek as a creature only a few survived an encounter with and nobody having succeeded in killing it, I braced myself for quite a tough fight, but then it went down rather easily. Ha, I thought smugly, some beast, I can't believe nobody killed it before me. And then I spent about half an hour battling with the terentatek-gas-cloud-causes-the-game-to-crash bug, finally having to give up and go down the dark side path with this quest. Apparently, in my version of the game no one was ever able to kill this terentatek because its death immediately obliterates that version of the universe where it happened.

The fall of Dantooine shattered his mind and he fell to the dark side after the events of KOTOR, becoming a puppet master of the Jedi Council in KOTOR II.

* Both the other Jedi Masters you talk to are both friendly, apologetic and repentant for their actions. Then they meet up with Vrook, and suddenly have a FaceHeelTurn, following Vrook's policy of allowing the Sith to proceed unchecked. Coincidence? No, Vrook talked them into it with a mixture of subtle deceit and force-fuelled mind control using his superior Consular powers. Even if you attempt to excise this corrupting influence, his shadowy machinations extend so far that his two stooges are tricked into thinking that you attacked Vrook, not the other way round, and fight you themselves.

* What do the Jedi Masters do throughout the two games? Not much. At all. What have these two likely been doing? Being a better Jedi than all of them put together. The idea the Masters were afraid is touched on (Exile claims this of Atris, Zez-Kai Ell admits it and Kreia describes them as such.) Revan and the Exile don't have to go far out of their way to be light sided enough to be hailed a saint. And to a large extent the Mandalorian Wars showed the Jedi as impotent. The reason Revan is scared? Exile is hated? Jealousy, they are better Jedi than the Masters could ever hope to be, unless you played an utter dick, with a fraction of the effort they seem capable of.

* The evidence is there. You have the choice of having your character speculate that perhaps all the Star Map planets were not always as they were. Tatooine may not have always been a desert. Manaan might not have once been an entirely water planet. Kashyyyk could once have been a much more average planet. The Star Map on Korriban may even be responsible for why the planet is so strong in the dark side. Even Dantooine might have been affected: it seems to be in a state of perpetual autumn, with decaying grass and colourless fields. Then why is it green again in the sequel, you ask? As a bit of FridgeBrilliance - it is likely the Star Maps deactivated along with the destruction of the Star Forge. Five years later? Dantooine is in spring at last.

* What do the Jedi Masters do throughout the two games? Not much. At all. What have these two likely been doing? Being a better Jedi than all of them put together. The idea the Masters were afraid is touched on (Exile claims this of Atris, Zez Kai El admits it and Kreia describes them as such.) Revan and the Exile don't have to go far out of their way to be light sided enough to be hailed a saint. And to a large extent the Mandalorian Wars showed the Jedi as impotent. The reason Revan is scared? Exile is hated? Jealousy, they are better Jedi than the Masters could ever hope to be, unless you played an utter dick, with a fraction of the effort they seem capable of.

When I heard Freyyr describe the terentatek as a creature only a few survived an encounter with to be able to describe and nobody having succeeded in killing, I braced myself for quite a tough fight, but then it went down rather easily. Ha, I thought smugly, some beast, I can't believe nobody killed it before me. And then I spent about half an hour battling with the terentatek-gas-cloud-causes-the-game-to-crash bug, finally having to give up and go down the dark side path with this quest. Apparently, in my version of the game noone was ever able to kill this terentatek because its death immediately obliterates that version of the universe where it happened.

* [=KotOR 2=] establishes that Force-bonds are most likely to suddenly be formed between Force-sensitive people in life-threatening situations. See above for the evidence of Carth's force sensitivity. Being among a [[SoleSurvivor handful of survivors]] of a Sith-boarded cruiser and having Carth haul the PlayerCharacter's intermittently-conscious butt into hiding from a crashed escape pod on a blockaded, heavily-patrolled world probably counts as sufficiently life-threatening.

* [=KotOR 2=] establishes that Force-bonds are most likely to suddenly between Force-sensitive people in life-threatening situations. See above for the evidence of Carth's force sensitivity. Being among a [[SoleSurvivor handful of survivors]] of a Sith-boarded cruiser and having Carth haul the PlayerCharacter's intermittently-conscious butt into hiding from a crashed escape pod on a blockaded, heavily-patrolled world probably counts as sufficiently life-threatening.

* Also in the [=KotOR=] comics, When Zayne recieves a vision that allows him to accurately predict the Mandalorians' bombardment of Serroco, Zayne tries in vain to give Karath and the Republic fleet advanced warning of the attack to allow them to defend the civilian alien population of the planet. No one else takes him him seriously -Zayne's friends blow him off. Karath, convinced that Zayne is a Mandalorian spy, has him thrown in the brig. Carth, armed with another of his odd hunches, calls tornado warnings in to as many weather stations on the planet as he can reach, causing many of the natives to evacuate to underground bunkers and escape the worst of the blitz.

* And again in the second game, if Revan is set as male, Carth tells Bastilla that meeting the Exile has convinced him that "there are worse things to lose". The only other non-Jedi to display awareness of the Exile's emptiness, Chodo Habat, explicitly identifies himself as force-sensitive.
* At Ajunta Pal's tomb, the only two non-Jedi party members who comment on seeing the Sith ghost are Carth and HK-47. HK remarks that he detects something strange on his sensors. Carth can not only see the ghost, but ''understand what he's saying.''