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Hence the conspicuous lack of all too obvious "[[TheShining Heeeeere's Johnny!]]" jokes anywhere in the series. At the end of ''Squee!'', Johnny seems to be able to interact with other humans and not act like a big bag of crazy, so without the influence of the lock-system, he may be able to hide his psychosis a little better. Perhaps even well enough to become a comedian and host a late night talk show (Not like he would be sleeping)? Big problem: Nny is probably somewhere in his twenties and when Mr. Carson was in his twenties, it was the forties-fifties. Concerning this apparent anachronism, I propose that because JTHM already seems to exist in some [[GothicPunk alternate, goth filled universe]], their version of the forties/fifties [[HandWave was probably very different from our own]].

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Hence the conspicuous lack of all too obvious "[[TheShining "[[Film/TheShining Heeeeere's Johnny!]]" jokes anywhere in the series. At the end of ''Squee!'', Johnny seems to be able to interact with other humans and not act like a big bag of crazy, so without the influence of the lock-system, he may be able to hide his psychosis a little better. Perhaps even well enough to become a comedian and host a late night talk show (Not like he would be sleeping)? Big problem: Nny is probably somewhere in his twenties and when Mr. Carson was in his twenties, it was the forties-fifties. Concerning this apparent anachronism, I propose that because JTHM already seems to exist in some [[GothicPunk alternate, goth filled universe]], their version of the forties/fifties [[HandWave was probably very different from our own]].
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[[WMG: Devi and Squee succumb to maddness and find Johnny again]]
[[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming And they start their own happy, mass murdering family together.]]
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** Nny takes offense to being called a racist. [[WordOfGod He said so]] in [[http://twitter.com/johnny_c his Twitter]], and besides, how was he to know that the bus he hijacked was full of white people? Besides, he's more likely to kill someone for hating yogurt than having a particular skintone; knives don't care, and neither does he. He's progressive like that.

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** Nny takes offense to being called a racist. [[WordOfGod He said so]] in [[http://twitter.com/johnny_c [[https://twitter.com/Johnny_C/status/177306105431597056 his Twitter]], and besides, how was he to know that the bus he hijacked was full of white people? Besides, he's more likely to kill someone for hating yogurt than having a particular skintone; knives don't care, and neither does he. He's progressive like that.
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*Aww. That's [[JhonenVasquez Jhonen]]-type sweet!
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It suits him, don't'ca think?

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It suits him, don't'ca don't cha think?
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[[WMG: Mr. Eff's first name is [[MyImmortal Cornelia]] ]]
It suits him, don't'ca think?
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* So they'd be WackyParentSeriousChild?
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[[WMG: Squee was a product of rape]]
That's how his parents treat him, at least. Especially his dad treating him like it was his fault for being born.
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[[WMG: Nny is [[DownerEnding never getting better]].]]
Aside from the WalkingTheEarth ending in which Nny himself admits that he can only try to manage his damage, it's [[JhonenVasquez Vasquez]]. The rules of his [[CrapsackWorld 'verses]] would not allow for this. Case in point, Nny vows to take control of his life, complete with [[spoiler: a lovely ShutUpHannibal speech... and finally kills himself]] ''on accident.'' Besides, curing him would ruin the point of the title, and who wants to read about someone sane and happy? Squee [[spoiler: in his padded cell]]?

But, more importantly, the closest thing Vasquez has given us to a sequel is Johnny's ''[[CharacterBlog Twitter.]]'' [[https://twitter.com/johnny_c He doesn't seem to be getting better.]]

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** Nny takes offense to being called a racist. [[WordOfGod He said so]] in [[http://twitter.com/johnny_c his Twitter]], and besides, how was he to know that the bus he hijacked was full of white people? Besides, he's more likely to kill someone for hating yogurt than having a particular skintone; knives don't care, and neither does he. He's progressive like that.


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[[WMG: Johnny had a perfectly normal upbringing.]]
Because Vasquez would find it funny. Seriously, for all the ansgting and attempts at Woobiefication the fans seem to want to place on Johnny, Vasquez does nothing but mock it. Want Nny's origins? The man does a ShoutOut to ''{{Batman}}.'' The point is, Vasquez would probably get far more of a kick out of having Johnny be fucked-up on his own, at least not to the point of some forgotten FreudianExcuse. The guy gets enough of that just from the thing in his wall; why would the author cheapen that with something so overused? Not that we'll ever get a BackStory for the guy, anyway...
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*** Most of the things I listed aside from the last one were padding, I'll admit that, but the last point I made is still important. I doubt that, in the 90s, Nny would have been ranting against a white man pulling the "race card" and using it as an excuse to act like a thuggish buffoon. Also, I don't recall Jhonen ever drawing black people in a "dark tone". An example is Tenna/Tonja, who outside of the full-color I Feel Sick series is never given any shading that would indicate a different race. Another example is one of the random people Johnny kills in Cafe Le Prick(I think he put a meat cleaver in his face) who was sporting a [[FreshPrinceOfBelAir Fresh Price-era Will Smith-style haircut]]. I don't think he was dark-toned, either.
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* No, what makes Mr. Casil different from other father figures is that Nny knows said father figure's kid personally and doesn't want to cause him any mental damage. Also, his main targets seem to be mid-twenty year olds out socialising, hardly the discription of the average parent.
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** That write-up was [[RuleOfFunny a send-up of]] {{Batman}}'s origin, not canon.
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**I would love to continue this with "Nny being hispanic shows he wasn't liking much of anybody during this time" but, alas.... I'm really sure the reason you're the only one to see it is because it doesn't exist. Eminem and Fred Durst etc where also popular during this time along with all the little white boys playing gangsta. As you mentioned, even the coloured drawings show him white. The few black characters Johnen has are typically shown dark toned. Except for your last reason, that all seemed very stereotyped against black people yourself :/
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** Probably not. InvaderZim seems to take place in the ''future'' of Johnny's world, not the past.
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[[WMG: Johnny is a [[MageTheAscension Marauder]].]]

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[[WMG: Johnny is a [[MageTheAscension [[TabletopGame/MageTheAscension Marauder]].]]
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I dont remember anything in canon to disprove this, so why not? We don't have any background on Nny, except his parents were killed by a bad man, his dad could of been killed by some murderer, but what if Johnny considers himself to be a bad man, and what if he thinks he's the reason his mom died, it kind of makes sense in a way.

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I dont remember anything in canon to disprove this, so why not? We don't have any background on Nny, except his parents were killed by a bad man, his dad could of been killed by some murderer, but what if Johnny considers himself to be a bad man, and what if he thinks he's the reason his mom died, it kind of makes sense in a way.
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* If this is true, another interesting possibility would be that, since his parents were said to be killed by a "bad man" and not "bad men", that Johnny murdered his dad.
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[[WMG: Johnny is a [[MageTheAscension Marauder]].]]
Johnny never gets caught, and his crimes defy reality because he's using magic unconsciously to escape. The massacre in issue three really started straining the fabric of reality and paradox. When he goes to hell at the end of issue five, he didn't die, he simply gets shunted into his own paradox realm.
**There's a possibility he was an infernalist mage before he went mad. There is a specific ritual in Dark Thaumaturgy that involves painting a wall in blood to summon a demon...Maybe Johnny just continued to perform the ritual out of habit, keeping the demon bound.
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[[WMG: Johnny was resurrected in a similar but parallel universe.]]
Instead of going through the hassle (or impossibility) of reseting the universe to a particular moment in time after billions of years existence, Johnny was sent to another universe whose history is pretty much the same as the one he was in before, aside from the fact that there was never a monster behind the wall in this one. This could explain a few things, like how ''both'' doughboys are stabbed to a wall instead of just D-Boy (or having them both still torn apart in the basement), why Jimmy reffered to the Taco Smell by a different name and how Reverend Meat seemed to have come out of nowhere.
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[[WMG: Johnny's mother died in child birth.]]
I dont remember anything in canon to disprove this, so why not? We don't have any background on Nny, except his parents were killed by a bad man, his dad could of been killed by some murderer, but what if Johnny considers himself to be a bad man, and what if he thinks he's the reason his mom died, it kind of makes sense in a way.
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* All things considering Nny is very protective of Squee, It's almost as if he knew when he first saw him that Squee was his son, so he tried to preserve the poor kid's sanity so he didn't turn out like he did.
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[[WMG:The C. stands for [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Carson Carson]]]]

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[[WMG:The C. stands for [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Carson Carson]]]]Carson]].]]



[[WMG:Squee's father is Johnny's brother]]

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[[WMG:Squee's father is Johnny's brother]]brother.]]









Am I the only one who seems to notice this? Every colored drawing of [[JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac JtHM]] shows Krik with very pale skin, when it's all but spelled out that he isn't caucasian. Take, for example, the way he behaves and dresses. It seems highly reminiscent of a black man in the 90s motivated by gangsta rap music. He's a misogynist, he curses constantly, and [[HaveIMentionedIAmHeterosexualToday he's constantly trying to accentuate his manliness]] to the point that he'll beat up a "fag" like Nny just for being skinny and dressing differently. Not to mention the fact that Nny stated his crime against society as thus: "Using racial oppression as a crutch while only reinforcing old stereotypes". If you read closely, [[UnfortunateImplications it would seem that Jhonen didn't think too highly of black people during that time.]]

[[WMG: Tak and Dib are Johnny's parents]]

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Am I the only one who seems to notice this? Every colored drawing of [[JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac JtHM]] shows Krik with very pale skin, when it's all but spelled out that he isn't caucasian. Take, for example, the way he behaves and dresses. It seems highly reminiscent of a black man in the 90s motivated by gangsta rap music. He's a misogynist, he curses constantly, and [[HaveIMentionedIAmHeterosexualToday he's constantly trying to accentuate his manliness]] to the point that he'll beat up a "fag" like Nny just for being skinny and dressing differently. Not to mention the fact that Nny stated his crime against society as thus: "Using racial oppression as a crutch while only reinforcing old stereotypes". If you read closely, [[UnfortunateImplications it would seem that Jhonen didn't think too highly of black people during that time.]]

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[[WMG: Tak and Dib are Johnny's parents]]parents.]]



Also it was said his parents were killed by a bad man, by both Tak an Dib's definition wouldn't Zim be a bad man? Angered by losing his mission (or perhaps a little bit of [[hoyay]] ) Johnny would watch Zim kill his parents making him slowly go insane, also explaining his hatred of aliens.

Another bit is that if you look REALLY closely in I Feel Sick in Devi's apartment there is a strange looking statue thing that looks a lot like GiR.. Perhaps Dib managed to steal GIR and that's what made Zim so upset and then after his parent died Johnny gave it to Devi as a gift. This also explains why there is a poster of Zim in Squee's bedroom in both alien and human form.

[[WMG: Johnny is Squee's biological father]]
''If'' what Reverend Meat implied is true (that Nny had sex with someone before his amnesia), the girl he did it with may have been Squee's mom. By the time she found out she was pregnant, she would have already been with the guy now believed to be Squee
's dad. Believing the kid was his, he felt obliged to marry her & take care of him...Sort of....Half assedly at best.

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Also it was said his parents were killed by a bad man, by both Tak an Dib's definition wouldn't Zim be a bad man? Angered by losing his mission (or perhaps a little bit of [[hoyay]] HoYay ) Johnny would watch Zim kill his parents making him slowly go insane, also explaining his hatred of aliens.

Another bit is that if you look REALLY closely in I Feel Sick in Devi's apartment there is a strange looking statue thing that looks a lot like GiR..[=GiR=]... Perhaps Dib managed to steal GIR and that's what made Zim so upset and then after his parent died Johnny gave it to Devi as a gift. This also explains why there is a poster of Zim in Squee's bedroom in both alien and human form.

[[WMG: Johnny is Squee's biological father]]
father.]]
''If'' what Reverend Meat implied is true (that Nny had sex with someone before his amnesia), the girl he did it with may have been Squee's mom. By the time she found out she was pregnant, she would have already been with the guy now believed to be Squee
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Squee's dad. Believing the kid was his, he felt obliged to marry her & and take care of him...him... Sort of....of... Half assedly at best.best.
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Another bit is that if you look REALLY closely in I Feel Sick in Devi's apartment there is a strange looking statue thing that looks a lot like GiR.. Perhaps Dib managed to steal GIR and that's what made Zim so upset and then after his parent died Johnny gave it to Devi as a gift. This also explains why there is a poster of Zim in Squee's bedroom in both alien and human form.

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Another bit is that if you look REALLY closely in I Feel Sick in Devi's apartment there is a strange looking statue thing that looks a lot like GiR.. Perhaps Dib managed to steal GIR and that's what made Zim so upset and then after his parent died Johnny gave it to Devi as a gift. This also explains why there is a poster of Zim in Squee's bedroom in both alien and human form.form.

[[WMG: Johnny is Squee's biological father]]
''If'' what Reverend Meat implied is true (that Nny had sex with someone before his amnesia), the girl he did it with may have been Squee's mom. By the time she found out she was pregnant, she would have already been with the guy now believed to be Squee
's dad. Believing the kid was his, he felt obliged to marry her & take care of him...Sort of....Half assedly at best.
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Am I the only one who seems to notice this? Every colored drawing of [[JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac JtHM]] shows Krik with very pale skin, when it's all but spelled out that he isn't caucasian. Take, for example, the way he behaves and dresses. It seems highly reminiscent of a black man in the 90s motivated by gangsta rap music. He's a misogynist, he curses constantly, and [[HaveIMentionedIAmHeterosexualToday he's constantly trying to accentuate his manliness]] to the point that he'll beat up a "fag" like Nny just for being skinny and dressing differently. Not to mention the fact that Nny stated his crime against society as thus: "Using racial oppression as a crutch while only reinforcing old stereotypes". If you read closely, [[UnfortunateImplications it would seem that Jhonen didn't think too highly of black people during that time.]]

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Am I the only one who seems to notice this? Every colored drawing of [[JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac JtHM]] shows Krik with very pale skin, when it's all but spelled out that he isn't caucasian. Take, for example, the way he behaves and dresses. It seems highly reminiscent of a black man in the 90s motivated by gangsta rap music. He's a misogynist, he curses constantly, and [[HaveIMentionedIAmHeterosexualToday he's constantly trying to accentuate his manliness]] to the point that he'll beat up a "fag" like Nny just for being skinny and dressing differently. Not to mention the fact that Nny stated his crime against society as thus: "Using racial oppression as a crutch while only reinforcing old stereotypes". If you read closely, [[UnfortunateImplications it would seem that Jhonen didn't think too highly of black people during that time.]]]]

[[WMG: Tak and Dib are Johnny's parents]]
Tak's human form looks an awful lot like Johnny already but combined with Dib it would be identical.

Also it was said his parents were killed by a bad man, by both Tak an Dib's definition wouldn't Zim be a bad man? Angered by losing his mission (or perhaps a little bit of [[hoyay]] ) Johnny would watch Zim kill his parents making him slowly go insane, also explaining his hatred of aliens.

Another bit is that if you look REALLY closely in I Feel Sick in Devi's apartment there is a strange looking statue thing that looks a lot like GiR.. Perhaps Dib managed to steal GIR and that's what made Zim so upset and then after his parent died Johnny gave it to Devi as a gift. This also explains why there is a poster of Zim in Squee's bedroom in both alien and human form.
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C'mon, it's obvious. All that talk of him "waiting behind the wall?"

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C'mon, it's obvious. All that talk of him "waiting behind the wall?"wall?"
[[WMG: Krik is black.]]
Am I the only one who seems to notice this? Every colored drawing of [[JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac JtHM]] shows Krik with very pale skin, when it's all but spelled out that he isn't caucasian. Take, for example, the way he behaves and dresses. It seems highly reminiscent of a black man in the 90s motivated by gangsta rap music. He's a misogynist, he curses constantly, and [[HaveIMentionedIAmHeterosexualToday he's constantly trying to accentuate his manliness]] to the point that he'll beat up a "fag" like Nny just for being skinny and dressing differently. Not to mention the fact that Nny stated his crime against society as thus: "Using racial oppression as a crutch while only reinforcing old stereotypes". If you read closely, [[UnfortunateImplications it would seem that Jhonen didn't think too highly of black people during that time.]]
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[[WMG: The Wall Monster is {{Zalgo}}.]]

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[[WMG: The Wall Monster Moose is {{Zalgo}}.]]
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[[WMG: The Wall Monster is [[Zalgo]].]]

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[[WMG: The Wall Monster is [[Zalgo]].{{Zalgo}}.]]
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Think about it. They have the same last initial, and despite Squee's father being a total asshole, Johnny hasn't killed him. Now, he did say it's because a kid needs a dad, but he's killed countless fathers before, right? Exactly. What makes Squee's father different? If anything, he's more of an asshole than the average victim of Johnny.

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Think about it. They have the same last initial, and despite Squee's father being a total asshole, Johnny hasn't killed him. Now, he did say it's because a kid needs a dad, but he's killed countless fathers before, right? Exactly. What makes Squee's father different? If anything, he's more of an asshole than the average victim of Johnny.Johnny.
[[WMG: The Wall Monster is [[Zalgo]].]]
C'mon, it's obvious. All that talk of him "waiting behind the wall?"
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* I like the idea of Nny being Johnny Carson in an alternate universe: a Gothiverse, if you will. But I think the absence of "Heeeeeeere's Johnny!" jokes is more about Vasquez not wanting to do a joke that lazy.

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* I like the idea of Nny being Johnny Carson in an alternate universe: a Gothiverse, if you will. But I think the absence of "Heeeeeeere's Johnny!" jokes is more about Vasquez not wanting to do a joke that lazy.lazy.
[[WMG:Squee's father is Johnny's brother]]
Think about it. They have the same last initial, and despite Squee's father being a total asshole, Johnny hasn't killed him. Now, he did say it's because a kid needs a dad, but he's killed countless fathers before, right? Exactly. What makes Squee's father different? If anything, he's more of an asshole than the average victim of Johnny.

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