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In turn, it led to Dr. Octopus having his body damaged to the point where he went all out to destroy a majority of Earth's population in ''ComicBook/EndsOfTheEarth'' and later on, hijacks Peter's body in ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan''. True Otto has taken hard hits from Spider-Man and other heroes like Captain America, Iron Man, and Hulk over the years but presumably, those heroes were operating under general superhero guidelines and only hitting to incapacitate rather than seriously damage or kill. But while Otto's main memories are of Spider-Man and the other Marvel heroes hitting him hard, Mark was ''the'' catalyst for the bodily decay, considering once they met, Mark tackled Octavius hard enough to make his head snap back and then knocks him across the city, seemingly without using much restraint that Peter has to get on his case for. So ultimately, Mark contributed to a major Marvel-wide event and later on, inadvertently causing Dr. Octopus to steal Peter's body.
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In turn, it led to Dr. Octopus having his body damaged to the point where he went all out to destroy a majority of Earth's population in ''ComicBook/EndsOfTheEarth'' and later on, hijacks Peter's body in ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan''. True Otto has taken hard hits from Spider-Man and other heroes like Captain America, Iron Man, and Hulk over the years but presumably, those heroes were operating under general superhero guidelines and only hitting to incapacitate rather than seriously damage or kill. But while Otto's main memories are of Spider-Man and the other Marvel heroes hitting him hard, Mark was ''the'' catalyst for the bodily decay, considering once they met, Mark tackled Octavius hard enough to make his head snap back and then knocks him across the city, seemingly without using much restraint that Peter has to get on his case for. So ultimately, Mark contributed to a major Marvel-wide event and later on, inadvertently causing caused Dr. Octopus to steal Peter's body.
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And the Viltrumite law enforcement would be expies of Robocop with Viltrumite powers in addition to cybernetics.
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[[WMG: When Invincible met Spider-Man in ''Marvel Team Up #14'', Mark caused irreparable damage to Dr. Octopus's body]]
In turn, it led to Dr. Octopus having his body damaged to the point where he went all out to destroy a majority of Earth's population in ''ComicBook/EndsOfTheEarth'' and later on, hijacks Peter's body in ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan''. True Otto has taken hard hits from Spider-Man and other heroes like Captain America, Iron Man, and Hulk over the years but presumably, those heroes were operating under general superhero guidelines and only hitting to incapacitate rather than seriously damage or kill. But while Otto's main memories are of Spider-Man and the other Marvel heroes hitting him hard, Mark was ''the'' catalyst for the bodily decay, considering once they met, Mark tackled Octavius hard enough to make his head snap back and then knocks him across the city, seemingly without using much restraint that Peter has to get on his case for. So ultimately, Mark contributed to a major Marvel-wide event and later on, inadvertently causing Dr. Octopus to steal Peter's body.
[[WMG: When Invincible met Spider-Man in ''Marvel Team Up #14'', Mark caused irreparable damage to Dr. Octopus's body]]
In turn, it led to Dr. Octopus having his body damaged to the point where he went all out to destroy a majority of Earth's population in ''ComicBook/EndsOfTheEarth'' and later on, hijacks Peter's body in ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan''. True Otto has taken hard hits from Spider-Man and other heroes like Captain America, Iron Man, and Hulk over the years but presumably, those heroes were operating under general superhero guidelines and only hitting to incapacitate rather than seriously damage or kill. But while Otto's main memories are of Spider-Man and the other Marvel heroes hitting him hard, Mark was ''the'' catalyst for the bodily decay, considering once they met, Mark tackled Octavius hard enough to make his head snap back and then knocks him across the city, seemingly without using much restraint that Peter has to get on his case for. So ultimately, Mark contributed to a major Marvel-wide event and later on, inadvertently causing Dr. Octopus to steal Peter's body.
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[[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters Just the number of superpowered characters in the series proper itself is staggering]], and then when you combine that with the fact that it's also part of the larger Image universe who have some ''massive'' heavy hitters living there as well, the deck is already stacked against them. They've already driven off much larger invasion forces (from a species that even gave Omni-Man trouble) and now they have two Viltrumite hybrids on their side as well as Allen (who is quickly surpassing Viltrumite levels of strength). Furthermore the ''way'' that Omni-Man disposes of the original Guardians suggests that he ''knew'' that he couldn't win in a fair fight against all of them. Earth would finally be the death of the empire.
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* This makes their relationship a little sqickey, but [[IncestIsRelative at least they didn't know, and never had sex]].
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* This makes their relationship a little sqickey, but [[IncestIsRelative at least they didn't know, and never had sex]].sex.
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[[WMG: Had the series continued, some form of Viltrumite law enforcement would have discovered Anissa's crime of raping Mark Grayson, and then arrest her.]]
And the Viltrumite law enforcement would be expies of Robocop with Viltrumite powers in addition to cybernetics.
[[WMG: Had the series continued, some form of Viltrumite law enforcement would have discovered Anissa's crime of raping Mark Grayson, and then arrest her.]]
And the Viltrumite law enforcement would be expies of Robocop with Viltrumite powers in addition to cybernetics.
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[[WMG: Robot will create an Anti-Reverse Aging Belt for Monster Girl]]
And he'll also find a means to safely expose, her to radiation from the Flaxan dimension so as, to restore her to her full adult form so as, to keep her that way through the belt.
And he'll also find a means to safely expose, her to radiation from the Flaxan dimension so as, to restore her to her full adult form so as, to keep her that way through the belt.
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** From what I know of the Darkness and Spawn, they would be able to hold their own, along with other supernatural beings, such as the Angelus & Witchblade, if the Viltrumites are anything like Superman, which they are expies of, Magic and the supernatural may be one of their big weaknesses, but we don't see much in the way of magic users in the comic, so we will never know.
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[[WMG: Robot ("Rudy") was created by the same program that made all those Atom Eve clones]
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[[WMG: Robot ("Rudy") was created by the same program that made all those Atom Eve clones]clones]]
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*** Allen has later said something to the effect of all creatures with two eyes kinda looking the same to him.
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[[WMG: That glowy alien thing from the ''Reboot?'' storyline was a LotusEaterMachine.]]
Although the monster insists he really did send Mark back in time, there doesn't seem to be any logic to how the time travel works - he spends a few weeks in the "past", but years have passed once he's back; he changes some stuff, but there's no consequences, then the alien asks him once again why he's ''unhappy''. Even if the alien doesn't admit it, that wasn't the past, just a pleasant hallucination in which he had put Mark.
[[WMG: Robot ("Rudy") was created by the same program that made all those Atom Eve clones]
Difference is, they focused on intellect rather than superpowers this time. So that'd make Rudy Eve's "brother". He's supposed to be around that age, since he's on the Teen Team, he's obsessed with Rex, whom she was dating, and he's hideously deformed, much like her other "brothers".
Although the monster insists he really did send Mark back in time, there doesn't seem to be any logic to how the time travel works - he spends a few weeks in the "past", but years have passed once he's back; he changes some stuff, but there's no consequences, then the alien asks him once again why he's ''unhappy''. Even if the alien doesn't admit it, that wasn't the past, just a pleasant hallucination in which he had put Mark.
[[WMG: Robot ("Rudy") was created by the same program that made all those Atom Eve clones]
Difference is, they focused on intellect rather than superpowers this time. So that'd make Rudy Eve's "brother". He's supposed to be around that age, since he's on the Teen Team, he's obsessed with Rex, whom she was dating, and he's hideously deformed, much like her other "brothers".
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*** In other words, it would be a horrific, methodological slaughter.
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All male Viltrumites eventually grow a very distinct giant mustache, and are incapable of any other facial hair growth; therefore, a false beard ''is'' a pretty good disguise.
** Jossed. Mark and Nolan are shown with beard stubble and even ragged beards after a long time stranded on an alien planet, so presumably the mustache thing is simply cultural.
** Jossed. Mark and Nolan are shown with beard stubble and even ragged beards after a long time stranded on an alien planet, so presumably the mustache thing is simply cultural.
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All male Viltrumites eventually grow a very distinct giant mustache, and are incapable of avoid having any other facial hair beard or muttonchop growth; therefore, a false beard ''is'' a pretty good disguise.
** Jossed. Mark and Nolan are shown with beard stubble and even ragged beards after a long time stranded on an alien planet, so presumably the mustache thing is simply cultural.
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* Jossed hard. [[spoiler:She doesn't bother seducing him and just out and out rapes him.]]
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* Jossed Confirmed hard. [[spoiler:She doesn't bother seducing [[spoiler:Being a warrior race woman in a deconstruction of superhero comics, her idea of "seducing" him and is that she just out and out rapes him.]]
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*** [[spoiler: Jossed.]]
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*** [[spoiler: Jossed [[KilledOffForReal for obvious reasons]].]]
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*** If he is really a loyal Viltrumite, then [[spoiler: Jossed he kept his cover [[KilledOffForReal for obvious reasons]].up to and after his own death]].]]
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* Seems likely, seeing as he took a crippled Invincible with him. Also, Rex Splode, the Mauler Twins, and Conquest are the only confirmed major character kills. Robert Kirkman Jossed it when he was talking about how sparingly he used character deaths (saying he only did it about 3 times, including Rex Splode). Also, we've seen characters come back from MUCH, MUCH, MUCH worse. The Viltrumites from when Mark reunites with Nolan, Angstrom Levy, Oliver, Allen the Alien, the Immortal (constantly), Dupli-Kate, the Mauler Twins did so once, Rex did it once, and we had BODIES on those.
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* Seems likely, seeing as he took a crippled Invincible with him. Also, Rex Splode, the Mauler Twins, and Conquest are the only confirmed major character kills. Robert Kirkman Jossed confirmed it when he was talking about how sparingly he used character deaths (saying he only did it about 3 times, including Rex Splode). Also, we've seen characters come back from MUCH, MUCH, MUCH worse. The Viltrumites from when Mark reunites with Nolan, Angstrom Levy, Oliver, Allen the Alien, the Immortal (constantly), Dupli-Kate, the Mauler Twins did so once, Rex did it once, and we had BODIES on those.
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* Jossed. On his second trip to Earth Allen admits that he didn't know Earth had a Viltrumite on it.
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[[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters Just the number of superpowered characters in the series proper itself is staggering]], and then when you combine that with the fact that it's also part of the larger Image universe who have some ''massive'' heavy hitters living there as well the deck is already stacked against them. They've already driven off much larger invasion forces (from a species that even gave Omni-Man trouble) and now we have two Viltrumite hybrids on out side as well as Allen (who is quickly surpassing Viltrumite levels of strength). Furthermore the ''way'' that Omni-Man disposes of the original Guardians suggests that he ''knew'' that he couldn't win in a fair fight against all of them. Earth would finally be the death of the empire.
* Jossed pretty brutally by the Invincible War, Conquest, and the Viltrumite War, though we'll probably never know if Omni-Man would've had trouble with the Guardians or not.
* We know for a fact post Viltrumite War that they can't. The total count right now, is something like 46 living, loyal viltrumites. They flat out said that they couldn't conquer it, but they could (if they wanted), eradicate pretty much all life on earth in the time it took for them to deploy (look at Invincible War). Though this might be different with the Re-Invincibles (or Reanimarks, or ReanInvincibles, Reanimen made out of the dead Invincibles from Invicible war, for the uninitiated). Actually, they can't conquer much of anything anymore due to their numbers. It's vaguely implied that Humans are descendant of (or the ancestors of) the Viltrumites, hence the close genetic match and prevalence of super powers.
* I wouldn't be so sure about that. True, the Invi-clones didn't manage to conquer Earth, but dozens of organized, adult Viltrumites would probably go through the heroes like hot knives through wet warm butter. And looking at Thragg, well... is there ''anyone'' who could fight against him and win?
* Spawn, the Darkness, and Pitt managed to take down an Invincible on their own, and Mark himself accounted for several, but those were mostly one-on-one or group fights with the villainous Invincibles - themselves crisis crossover level opponents on their own. And as we've seen from the rest of the comic, the Viltrumites don't exactly fight one on one when they don't have to. It would be a horrific methodical slaughter.
** That just combined NightmareFuel and WMG together.
* Jossed pretty brutally by the Invincible War, Conquest, and the Viltrumite War, though we'll probably never know if Omni-Man would've had trouble with the Guardians or not.
* We know for a fact post Viltrumite War that they can't. The total count right now, is something like 46 living, loyal viltrumites. They flat out said that they couldn't conquer it, but they could (if they wanted), eradicate pretty much all life on earth in the time it took for them to deploy (look at Invincible War). Though this might be different with the Re-Invincibles (or Reanimarks, or ReanInvincibles, Reanimen made out of the dead Invincibles from Invicible war, for the uninitiated). Actually, they can't conquer much of anything anymore due to their numbers. It's vaguely implied that Humans are descendant of (or the ancestors of) the Viltrumites, hence the close genetic match and prevalence of super powers.
* I wouldn't be so sure about that. True, the Invi-clones didn't manage to conquer Earth, but dozens of organized, adult Viltrumites would probably go through the heroes like hot knives through wet warm butter. And looking at Thragg, well... is there ''anyone'' who could fight against him and win?
* Spawn, the Darkness, and Pitt managed to take down an Invincible on their own, and Mark himself accounted for several, but those were mostly one-on-one or group fights with the villainous Invincibles - themselves crisis crossover level opponents on their own. And as we've seen from the rest of the comic, the Viltrumites don't exactly fight one on one when they don't have to. It would be a horrific methodical slaughter.
** That just combined NightmareFuel and WMG together.
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[[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters Just the number of superpowered characters in the series proper itself is staggering]], and then when you combine that with the fact that it's also part of the larger Image universe who have some ''massive'' heavy hitters living there as well well, the deck is already stacked against them. They've already driven off much larger invasion forces (from a species that even gave Omni-Man trouble) and now we they have two Viltrumite hybrids on out their side as well as Allen (who is quickly surpassing Viltrumite levels of strength). Furthermore the ''way'' that Omni-Man disposes of the original Guardians suggests that he ''knew'' that he couldn't win in a fair fight against all of them. Earth would finally be the death of the empire.
*Jossed pretty brutally by Apparently not, according to the Invincible War, Conquest, and the Viltrumite War, though we'll probably never know if Omni-Man would've had trouble with the Guardians or not.
* We know for a fact post Viltrumite War that they can't. The total count right now, is something like 46 living, loyal viltrumites. They flat out said that they couldn't conquer it, but they claim that they could (if they wanted), eradicate pretty much all life on earth in the time it took for them to deploy (look at Invincible War). Though this might be different with the Re-Invincibles (or Reanimarks, or ReanInvincibles, Reanimen made out of the dead Invincibles from Invicible war, for the uninitiated). Actually, they can't conquer much of anything anymore due to their numbers. It's vaguely implied that Humans are descendant of (or the ancestors of) the Viltrumites, hence the close genetic match and prevalence of super powers.
*I wouldn't be so sure about that. True, the The Invi-clones didn't manage to conquer Earth, but dozens of organized, adult Viltrumites would probably go through the heroes like hot knives through wet warm butter. And looking at Thragg, well... is there ''anyone'' who could fight against him and win?
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* We know for a fact post Viltrumite War that they can't. The total count right now, is something like 46 living, loyal viltrumites. They flat out said that they couldn't conquer it, but they claim that they could (if they wanted), eradicate pretty much all life on earth in the time it took for them to deploy (look at Invincible War). Though this might be different with the Re-Invincibles (or Reanimarks, or ReanInvincibles, Reanimen made out of the dead Invincibles from Invicible war, for the uninitiated). Actually, they can't conquer much of anything anymore due to their numbers. It's vaguely implied that Humans are descendant of (or the ancestors of) the Viltrumites, hence the close genetic match and prevalence of super powers.
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Powerful, long-lived being with advanced technology and who doesn't need to fear death. Time-Lord.
Powerful, long-lived being with advanced technology and who doesn't need to fear death. Time-Lord.
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** That just combined NightmareFuel and WMG together.
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[[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters Just the number of superpowered characters in the series proper itself is staggering]], and then when you combine that with the fact that it's also part of the larger Image universe who have some ''massive'' heavy hitters living there as well the deck is already stacked against them. They've already driven off much larger invasion forces (from a species that even gave Omni-Man trouble) and now we have two Viltrumite hybrids on out side as well a as Allen (who is quickly surpassing Viltrumite levels of strength). Furthermore the ''way'' that Omni-Man disposes of the original Guardians suggests that he ''knew'' that he couldn't win in a fair fight against all of them. Earth would finally be the death of the empire.