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12th Jul '16 1:37:55 AM PaulA
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Specifically, the man in the business suit and short mustache seen for one panel in which Kurapika fails him for outright lying. Why do I think he'll be important? It may sound crazy, but it's because he resembles [[Main/TheAddamsFamily Gomez Addams]]. This is because there has been a series of characters in ''Hunter X Hunter'' who look like main characters from ''The Addams Family'', in particular the [[WesternAnimation/TheAddamsFamily Hanna-Barbera cartoon]], all of which have had plot significance. In order of how certain I am of them being based on ''The Addams Family'' characters:

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Specifically, the man in the business suit and short mustache seen for one panel in which Kurapika fails him for outright lying. Why do I think he'll be important? It may sound crazy, but it's because he resembles [[Main/TheAddamsFamily [[Franchise/TheAddamsFamily Gomez Addams]]. This is because there has been a series of characters in ''Hunter X Hunter'' who look like main characters from ''The Addams Family'', in particular the [[WesternAnimation/TheAddamsFamily Hanna-Barbera cartoon]], all of which have had plot significance. In order of how certain I am of them being based on ''The Addams Family'' characters:
12th Jun '16 12:12:57 AM zonezeroh
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All is fair in a fight between nen users, so no I don't think Hisoka killed them in vengeance in response to losing to Chrollo because he finds it unfair for Chrollo to win by borrowing abilities from other people, I mean how was Chrollo suppose to fight "fair" when he is a self admitted thief whose sole ability is able to steal powers from others? Fairness is an absurd concept in to world of Hunter X Hunter, and no one knows it better than Hisoka himself. Hisoka do not kill out of hatred, he kill either out of boredom because his opponent display no redeeming features (such as promising potential for growth) to him, or that the death of the character will create a chain reaction leading stronger opportunities to manifest themselves (such as the time when he genuinely contemplates killing Alluka then Killua then Illumi to maximize the amount and quality of good fights out of the situation), also his does not kill his worthy opponents, death is only a side effect of brutal fights for survival itself. Rather than kill in anger, I find it more inline with his character to kill in excitement and anticipation, he is ecstatic that Chrollo turned out to be better than he could ever imagine. This is actually very important and more complex than first appear, for as a chronic manipulator Hisoka prides himself as a master in reading people, and as one can deduce from past events, rated the spider organization as a whole as beneath The Zodiacs (think, why didn't he pursue anyone else in the spider after Chrollo has been disabled and instead turned his attention to the Zodiacs in the election arc) excluding Chrollo (and maybe Machi). This view could stem from two reasons: first, as an egotist himself, he feels that the family/friendly dynamics of the Spider makes for weak individuals, some members of the spider is relatively weak if working solo, reliance on backups and complementary powers makes them inflexible when someone get the drop on them (this is proven with Machi's quick defeat along with Shalnark and Kortopi's quick demise), and thus uninteresting as opponents for duels; second, the Spider as a whole lacks something that almost all strong people in this world have in common "want", and the will to achieve them in "life", although seemingly hedonistic, their core believe was still derivative of their Meteor City origin, while they expanded their ideology from being "pariah" who only retaliate to "bandits" who take what they can from others, their will is still reactive rather than a primary urge to "want" (they want what was taken from them, rather than what they don't have), evidence being that they usually steal things on a whim and then get bore with them soon later and that everyone including the leadership place no value on their very lives and was ready to die anytime without regret. They as a group have gotten so far on resentments of those outsider their group and massive talents of their leadership and members, but they will always be at a disadvantage when fighting someone with pure intent like a true Hunter like Ging (the first rule of Hunter is that a Hunter must "Hunt" something) or Hisoka himself (anyone who read "steel ball run" will know this as the concept of "dark will". Chrollo by all intent and purposes should fit in to the mold of this lesser tier, so it makes sense for Hisoka's early interest in fighting him as he believed back then Chrollo is already the strongest he can be due to him having seemingly no drive to get stronger, yet after fighting and losing to Chrollo's new and improved abilities first hand, something clicked in Hisoka's mind, he simply have to force a reason out of Chrollo to make him a fight of a life time, by pressing his berserk button of killing his true companions, father of his man Chrollo will advance beyond Hisoka's wildest dreams (with the bonus that every time one is dead the next one will advance accordingly in power due to hatred). Next we analyze how he plans to do it: remember that there is a risk that for every member he kills he is actually limiting Chrollo's options as it may render the ability Chrollo borrowed lost forever which I can't imagine Hisoka will be please with but there is always the exiting possibility of it gets more powerful after the death of the original, so I think there is an element of gamble on Hisoka's part, but hey desperation is a great motivator in and of itself so Hisoka can't lose either way. Machi is safe for now as a witness (they need to know whom to direct their anger) and great potential for growth (due to possible hidden feeling for Chrollo), Kortopi goes first because his ability is not suited for combat by itself, he will always be the first choice because his nen is only useful in combat when combine with Chrollo's other arsenal. Next is Shalnark because his ability is useless in a meaningful duel, by his own explanation any one on one fight is over once he stick an antenna into an opponent, not to mention his natural speed without using his ability on himself is never going to be able to catch a high level nen user off guard to stick it in their body, also to consider is that Hisoka may not even be aware of this ability to self buff, all in all he is going to be on top of Hisoka's hit list. At the end there is probably a meta reason as well, people get killed because their narrative potential is exhausted, the introduction of dark continent sees a potential for an overwhelming in narrative scope in character number and power level, so it makes sense for some much needed house cleaning, those who doesn't make the cut is going to fall whole sale from this point on. As for a last prediction, these are just for fun guesses by me using what we know so far: the next to go is most likely Shizuku (weakest), follow by Franklin (blend over all), Nobunaga(loss of purpose after Uvogin's death), Bonolenov (versatile ability yet still blend background), Phinks (basic ability, but connected with Feitan), Feitan (versatile, similarity to hiei), Machi (versatile, hidden drive connected to Chrollo), Chrollo (versatile, great characterization yet lacking connection to dark continent make him temporarily important at best for now, yet there is possibility of linking to the grand narrative through Hisoka's action, maybe simplely for revenge or searching for something outside to revive dead companions), Kalluto will probably survive due to being to young to reach maximum potential, not to mention connection to the Zoldycks makes the story line too entangled for narrative purpose.

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All is fair in a fight between nen users, so no I don't think Hisoka killed them in vengeance in response to losing to Chrollo because he finds it unfair for Chrollo to win by borrowing abilities from other people, I mean how was Chrollo suppose to fight "fair" when he is a self admitted thief whose sole ability is able to steal powers from others? Fairness is an absurd concept in to world of Hunter X Hunter, and no one knows it better than Hisoka himself. Hisoka do not kill out of hatred, he kill either out of boredom because his opponent display no redeeming features (such as promising potential for growth) to him, or that the death of the character will create a chain reaction leading stronger opportunities to manifest themselves (such as the time when he genuinely contemplates killing Alluka then Killua then Illumi to maximize the amount and quality of good fights out of the situation), also his does not kill his worthy opponents, death is only a side effect of the brutal fights fight for survival itself. Rather than kill in anger, I find it more inline with his character to kill in excitement and anticipation, he is ecstatic that Chrollo turned could turn out to be better than he could ever imagine. This is actually very important and more complex than first appear, for as a chronic manipulator Hisoka prides himself as a master in reading people, and as one can deduce from past events, rated the spider organization as a whole as beneath The Zodiacs (think, why didn't he pursue anyone else in the spider after Chrollo has been disabled and instead turned his attention to the Zodiacs in the election arc) excluding Chrollo (and maybe Machi). This view could stem from two reasons: first, as an egotist himself, he feels that the family/friendly dynamics of the Spider makes for weak individuals, some members of the spider is relatively weak if working solo, reliance on backups and complementary powers makes them inflexible when someone get the drop on them (this is proven with Machi's quick defeat along with Shalnark and Kortopi's quick demise), and thus uninteresting as opponents for duels; second, the Spider as a whole lacks something that almost all strong people in this world have in common "want", and the will to achieve them in "life", although seemingly hedonistic, their core believe was still derivative of their Meteor City origin, while they expanded their ideology from being "pariah" who only retaliate to "bandits" who take what they can from others, their will is still reactive rather than a primary urge to "want" (they want what was taken from them, rather than what they don't have), evidence being that they usually steal things on a whim and then get bore with them soon later and that everyone including the leadership place no value on their very lives and was ready to die anytime without regret. They as a group have gotten so far on resentments of those outsider their group and massive talents of their leadership and members, but they will always be at a disadvantage when fighting someone with pure intent like a true Hunter like Ging (the first rule of being a pro Hunter is that a Hunter must "Hunt" something) or Hisoka himself (anyone who read "steel ball run" will know this as the concept of "dark will". will"). Chrollo by all intent and purposes should fit in to the mold of this lesser tier, so it makes sense for Hisoka's early interest in fighting him as he believed back then Chrollo is already the strongest he can be due to him having seemingly no drive to get stronger, yet after fighting and losing to Chrollo's new and improved abilities first hand, something clicked in Hisoka's mind, he simply have to force a reason out of Chrollo to make him a fight of a life time, by pressing his berserk button of killing his true companions, father of his man Chrollo will advance his abilities beyond Hisoka's wildest dreams (with the bonus that every time one is dead the next one will advance accordingly in power due to hatred). hatred stacking). Next we analyze how he plans to do it: remember that there is a risk that for every member he kills he is actually limiting Chrollo's options as it may render the ability Chrollo borrowed lost forever which I can't imagine Hisoka will be please with at but there is always the exiting exciting possibility of it gets more powerful after the death of the original, so I think there is an element of gamble on Hisoka's part, but hey desperation is a great motivator in and of itself so Hisoka can't lose either way. Machi is safe for now as a witness (they need to know whom to direct their anger) and great potential for growth (due to possible hidden feeling for Chrollo), Kortopi goes first because his ability is not suited for combat by itself, he will always be the first choice because his nen is only useful in combat when combine with Chrollo's other arsenal. Next is Shalnark because his ability is useless in a meaningful duel, by his own explanation any one on one fight is over once he stick an antenna into an his opponent, not to mention his natural speed without using his ability on himself is never going to be able to catch a high level nen user off guard to stick it in their body, body in the first place, also to consider is that Hisoka may not even be aware of this ability to self buff, all in all he is going to be on top of Hisoka's hit list. At the end there is probably a meta reason as well, people get killed because their narrative potential is exhausted, the introduction of dark continent sees a potential for an overwhelming in increase of narrative scope in character number and power level, so it makes sense for some much needed house cleaning, those who doesn't make the cut is going to fall whole sale wholesale from this point on. As Now for a last prediction, these are just for fun guesses by me using what we know so far: the next to go is most likely Shizuku (weakest), follow by Franklin (blend over all), Nobunaga(loss of purpose after Uvogin's death), Bonolenov (versatile ability yet still blend background), Phinks (basic ability, but connected with Feitan), Feitan (versatile, similarity to hiei), Machi (versatile, hidden drive connected to Chrollo), Chrollo (versatile, great characterization yet lacking connection to dark continent make him temporarily important at best for now, yet there is possibility of linking to the grand narrative through Hisoka's action, maybe simplely simply for revenge or searching for something outside to revive his dead companions), Kalluto will probably survive due to being to young to reach maximum potential, not to mention connection to the Zoldycks makes the story line too entangled for narrative purpose.
11th Jun '16 11:58:15 PM zonezeroh
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All is fair in a fight between nen users, so no I don't think Hisoka killed them in vengeance in response to losing to Chrollo because he finds it unfair for Chrollo to win by borrowing abilities from other people, I mean how was Chrollo suppose to fight "fair" when he is a self admitted thief whose sole ability is able to steal powers from others? Fairness is an absurd concept in to world of Hunter X Hunter, and no one knows it better than Hisoka himself. Hisoka do not kill out of hatred, he kill either out of boredom because his opponent display no redeeming features (such as promising potential for growth) to him, or that the death of the character will create a chain reaction leading stronger opportunities to manifest themselves (such as the time when he genuinely contemplates killing Alluka then Killua then Illumi to maximize the amount and quality of good fights out of the situation), also his does not kill his worthy opponents, death is only a side effect of brutal fights for survival itself. Rather than kill in anger, I find it more inline with his character to kill in excitement and anticipation, he is ecstatic that Chrollo turned out to be better than he could ever imagine. This is actually very important and more complex than first appear, for as a chronic manipulator Hisoka prides himself as a master in reading people, and as one can deduce from past events, rated the spider organization as a whole as beneath The Zodiacs (think, why didn't he pursue anyone else in the spider after Chrollo has been disabled and instead turned his attention to the Zodiacs in the election arc) excluding Chrollo (and maybe Machi). This view could stem from two reasons: first, as an egotist himself, he feels that the family/friendly dynamics of the Spider makes for weak individuals, some members of the spider is relatively weak if working solo, reliance on backups and complementary powers makes them inflexible when someone get the drop on them (this is proven with Machi's quick defeat along with Shalnark and Kortopi's quick demise), and thus uninteresting as opponents for duals; second, the Spider as a whole lacks something that almost all strong people in this world have in common "want", and the will to achieve them in "life", although seemingly hedonistic, their core believe was still derivative of their Meteor City origin, while they expanded their ideology from being "pariah" who only retaliate to "bandits" who take what they can from others, their will is still reactive rather than a primary urge to "want" (they want what was taken from them, rather than what they don't have), evidence being that they usually steal things on a whim and then get bore with them soon later and that everyone including the leadership place no value on their very lives and was ready to die anytime without regret. They as a group have gotten so far on resentments of those outsider their group and massive talents of their leadership and members, but they will always be at a disadvantage when fighting someone with pure intent like a true Hunter like Ging (the first rule of Hunter is that a Hunter must "Hunt" something) or Hisoka himself (anyone who read "steel ball run" will know this as the concept of "dark will". Chrollo by all intent and purposes should fit in to the mold of this lesser tier, so it makes sense for Hisoka's early interest in fighting him as he believed back then Chrollo is already the strongest he can be due to him having seemingly no drive to get stronger, yet after fighting and losing to Chrollo's new and improved abilities first hand, something clicked in Hisoka's mind, he simply have to force a reason out of Chrollo to make him a fight of a life time, by pressing his berserk button of killing his true companions, father of his man Chrollo will advance beyond Hisoka's wildest dreams (with the bonus that every time one is dead the next one will advance accordingly in power due to hatred). Next we analyze how he plans to do it: remember that there is a risk that for every member he kills he is actually limiting Chrollo's options as it may render the ability Chrollo borrowed lost forever which I can't imagine Hisoka will be please with but there is always the exiting possibility of it gets more powerful after the death of the original, so I think there is an element of gamble on Hisoka's part, but hey desperation is a great motivator in and of itself so Hisoka can't lose either way. Machi is safe for now as a witness (they need to know whom to direct their anger) and great potential for growth (due to possible hidden feeling for Chrollo), Kortopi goes first because his ability is not suited for combat by itself, he will always be the first choice because his nen is only useful in combat when combine with Chrollo's other arsenal. Next is Shalnark because his ability is useless in a meaningful dual, by his own explanation any one on one fight is over once he stick an antenna into an opponent, not to mention his natural speed without using his ability on himself is never going to be able to catch a high level nen user off guard to stick it in their body, also to consider is that Hisoka may not even be aware of this ability to self buff, all in all he is going to be on top of Hisoka's hit list. At the end there is probably a meta reason as well, people get killed because their narrative potential is exhausted, the introduction of dark continent sees a potential for an overwhelming in narrative scope in character number and power level, so it makes sense for some much needed house cleaning, those who doesn't make the cut is going to fall whole sale from this point on. As for a last prediction, these are just for fun guesses by me using what we know so far: the next to go is most likely Shizuku (weakest), follow by Franklin (blend over all), Nobunaga(loss of purpose after Uvogin's death), Bonolenov (versatile ability yet still blend background), Phinks (basic ability, but connected with Feitan), Feitan (versatile, similarity to hiei), Machi (versatile, hidden drive connected to Chrollo), Chrollo (versatile, great characterization yet lacking connection to dark continent make him temporarily important at best for now, yet there is possibility of linking to the grand narrative through Hisoka's action, maybe simplely for revenge or searching for something outside to revive dead companions), Kalluto will probably survive due to being to young to reach maximum potential, not to mention connection to the Zoldycks makes the story line too entangled for narrative purpose.

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All is fair in a fight between nen users, so no I don't think Hisoka killed them in vengeance in response to losing to Chrollo because he finds it unfair for Chrollo to win by borrowing abilities from other people, I mean how was Chrollo suppose to fight "fair" when he is a self admitted thief whose sole ability is able to steal powers from others? Fairness is an absurd concept in to world of Hunter X Hunter, and no one knows it better than Hisoka himself. Hisoka do not kill out of hatred, he kill either out of boredom because his opponent display no redeeming features (such as promising potential for growth) to him, or that the death of the character will create a chain reaction leading stronger opportunities to manifest themselves (such as the time when he genuinely contemplates killing Alluka then Killua then Illumi to maximize the amount and quality of good fights out of the situation), also his does not kill his worthy opponents, death is only a side effect of brutal fights for survival itself. Rather than kill in anger, I find it more inline with his character to kill in excitement and anticipation, he is ecstatic that Chrollo turned out to be better than he could ever imagine. This is actually very important and more complex than first appear, for as a chronic manipulator Hisoka prides himself as a master in reading people, and as one can deduce from past events, rated the spider organization as a whole as beneath The Zodiacs (think, why didn't he pursue anyone else in the spider after Chrollo has been disabled and instead turned his attention to the Zodiacs in the election arc) excluding Chrollo (and maybe Machi). This view could stem from two reasons: first, as an egotist himself, he feels that the family/friendly dynamics of the Spider makes for weak individuals, some members of the spider is relatively weak if working solo, reliance on backups and complementary powers makes them inflexible when someone get the drop on them (this is proven with Machi's quick defeat along with Shalnark and Kortopi's quick demise), and thus uninteresting as opponents for duals; duels; second, the Spider as a whole lacks something that almost all strong people in this world have in common "want", and the will to achieve them in "life", although seemingly hedonistic, their core believe was still derivative of their Meteor City origin, while they expanded their ideology from being "pariah" who only retaliate to "bandits" who take what they can from others, their will is still reactive rather than a primary urge to "want" (they want what was taken from them, rather than what they don't have), evidence being that they usually steal things on a whim and then get bore with them soon later and that everyone including the leadership place no value on their very lives and was ready to die anytime without regret. They as a group have gotten so far on resentments of those outsider their group and massive talents of their leadership and members, but they will always be at a disadvantage when fighting someone with pure intent like a true Hunter like Ging (the first rule of Hunter is that a Hunter must "Hunt" something) or Hisoka himself (anyone who read "steel ball run" will know this as the concept of "dark will". Chrollo by all intent and purposes should fit in to the mold of this lesser tier, so it makes sense for Hisoka's early interest in fighting him as he believed back then Chrollo is already the strongest he can be due to him having seemingly no drive to get stronger, yet after fighting and losing to Chrollo's new and improved abilities first hand, something clicked in Hisoka's mind, he simply have to force a reason out of Chrollo to make him a fight of a life time, by pressing his berserk button of killing his true companions, father of his man Chrollo will advance beyond Hisoka's wildest dreams (with the bonus that every time one is dead the next one will advance accordingly in power due to hatred). Next we analyze how he plans to do it: remember that there is a risk that for every member he kills he is actually limiting Chrollo's options as it may render the ability Chrollo borrowed lost forever which I can't imagine Hisoka will be please with but there is always the exiting possibility of it gets more powerful after the death of the original, so I think there is an element of gamble on Hisoka's part, but hey desperation is a great motivator in and of itself so Hisoka can't lose either way. Machi is safe for now as a witness (they need to know whom to direct their anger) and great potential for growth (due to possible hidden feeling for Chrollo), Kortopi goes first because his ability is not suited for combat by itself, he will always be the first choice because his nen is only useful in combat when combine with Chrollo's other arsenal. Next is Shalnark because his ability is useless in a meaningful dual, duel, by his own explanation any one on one fight is over once he stick an antenna into an opponent, not to mention his natural speed without using his ability on himself is never going to be able to catch a high level nen user off guard to stick it in their body, also to consider is that Hisoka may not even be aware of this ability to self buff, all in all he is going to be on top of Hisoka's hit list. At the end there is probably a meta reason as well, people get killed because their narrative potential is exhausted, the introduction of dark continent sees a potential for an overwhelming in narrative scope in character number and power level, so it makes sense for some much needed house cleaning, those who doesn't make the cut is going to fall whole sale from this point on. As for a last prediction, these are just for fun guesses by me using what we know so far: the next to go is most likely Shizuku (weakest), follow by Franklin (blend over all), Nobunaga(loss of purpose after Uvogin's death), Bonolenov (versatile ability yet still blend background), Phinks (basic ability, but connected with Feitan), Feitan (versatile, similarity to hiei), Machi (versatile, hidden drive connected to Chrollo), Chrollo (versatile, great characterization yet lacking connection to dark continent make him temporarily important at best for now, yet there is possibility of linking to the grand narrative through Hisoka's action, maybe simplely for revenge or searching for something outside to revive dead companions), Kalluto will probably survive due to being to young to reach maximum potential, not to mention connection to the Zoldycks makes the story line too entangled for narrative purpose.
11th Jun '16 11:55:34 PM zonezeroh
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[[WMG: Hisoka is killing off the Spiders one by one for a reason and in a specific order.]]
All is fair in a fight between nen users, so no I don't think Hisoka killed them in vengeance in response to losing to Chrollo because he finds it unfair for Chrollo to win by borrowing abilities from other people, I mean how was Chrollo suppose to fight "fair" when he is a self admitted thief whose sole ability is able to steal powers from others? Fairness is an absurd concept in to world of Hunter X Hunter, and no one knows it better than Hisoka himself. Rather than kill in anger, I find it more inline with his character to kill in excitement and anticipation, he is ecstatic that Chrollo turned out to be better than he could even imagine. This is actually very important and more complex than first appear, for as a chronic manipulator Hisoka prides himself as a master in reading people, and as one can deduce from past events, rated the spider organization as a whole as beneath The Zodiacs (think, why didn't he pursue anyone else in the spider after Chrollo has been disabled and instead turned his attention to the Zodiacs in the election arc) excluding Chrollo and Machi. This view could stem from two reasons: first, as an egotist himself, he feels that the family/friendly dynamics of the Spider makes for weak individuals, some members of the spider is relatively weak if working solo, reliance on backups and complementary powers makes them inflexible when someone get the drop on them (this is proven with Machi's quick defeat along with Shalnark and Kortopi's quick demise), and thus uninteresting as opponents for duals; second, the Spider as a whole lacks something that almost all strong people in this world have in common "want", and the will to achieve them in "life", although seemingly hedonistic, their core believe was still derivative of their Meteor City origin, while they expanded their ideology from being "pariah" who only retaliate to "bandits" who take what they can from others, their will is still reactive rather than a primary urge to "want" (they want what was taken from them, rather than what they don't have), evidence being that they usually steal things on a whim and then get bore with them soon later and that everyone including the leadership place no value on their very lives and was ready to die anytime without regret. They as a group have gotten so far on resentments of those outsider their group and massive talents of their leadership and members, but they will always be at a disadvantage when fighting someone with pure intent like a true Hunter like Ging (the first rule of Hunter is that a Hunter must "Hunt" something) or Hisoka himself (anyone who read "steel ball run" will know this as the concept of "dark will". Chrollo by all intent and purposes should fit in to the mold of this lesser tier, so it makes sense for Hisoka's early interest in fighting him as he believed back then Chrollo is already the strongest he can be due to him having seemingly no drive to get stronger, yet after fighting and losing to Chrollo's new and improved abilities first hand, something clicked in Hisoka's mind, he simply have to force a reason out of Chrollo to make him a fight of a life time, by pressing his berserk button of killing his true companions, father of his man Chrollo will advance beyond Hisoka's wildest dreams (with the bonus that every time one is dead the next one will advance accordingly in power due to hatred). Hisoka do not kill out of hatred, he kill either out of boredom because his opponent display no redeeming features (such as promising potential for growth) to him, or that the death of the character will create a chain reaction leading stronger opportunities to manifest themselves (such as the time when he genuinely contemplates killing Alluka then Killua then Illumi to maximize the amount and quality of good fights out of the situation), also he's goal is not to kill his worthy opponents, death is only a side effect of brutal fights for survival itself. Now we know why, next we analyze how: remember that there is a risk that for every member he kills he is actually limiting Chrollo's options as it may render the ability Chrollo borrowed lost forever which I can't imagine Hisoka will be please with but there is always the exiting possibility of it gets more powerful after the death of the original, so I think there is an element of gamble on Hisoka's part, but hey desperation is a great motivator in and of itself so Hisoka can't lose either way. Machi is safe for now as a witness and great potential for growth due to possible hidden love for Chrollo, Kortopi goes first because his ability is not suited for combat by itself, he will always be the first choice because his nen is only useful in combat when combine with Chrollo's other arsenal. Next is Shalnark because his ability is useless in a meaningful dual, by his own explanation any one on one fight is over once he stick an antenna into an opponent, not to mention his natural speed without using his ability on himself is never going to be able to catch a high level nen user off guard to stick it in their body, also to consider is that Hisoka may not even be aware of this ability to self buff, all in all he is going to be on top of Hisoka's hit list. At the end there is probably a meta reason as well, people get killed because their narrative potential is exhausted, the introduction of dark continent sees a potential for an overwhelming in narrative scope in character number and power level, so it makes sense for some much needed house cleaning, those who doesn't make the cut is going to fall whole sale from this point on. As for a last prediction, these are just for fun guesses by me using what we know so far: the next to go is most likely Shizuku (weakest), follow by Franklin (blend over all), Nobunaga(loss of purpose after Uvogin's death), Bonolenov (versatile ability yet still blend background), Phinks (basic ability, but connected with Feitan), Feitan (versatile, similarity to hiei), Machi (versatile, hidden drive connected to Chrollo), Chrollo (versatile, great characterization yet lacking connection to dark continent make him temporarily important at best for now, yet there is possibility of linking to the grand narrative through Hisoka's action, maybe simplely for revenge or searching for something outside to revive dead companions), Kalluto will probably survive due to being to young to reach maximum potential, not to mention connection to the Zoldycks makes the story line too entangled for narrative purpose.

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[[WMG: Hisoka is killing off the Spiders one by one for a reason other then revenge and in a specific order.]]
All is fair in a fight between nen users, so no I don't think Hisoka killed them in vengeance in response to losing to Chrollo because he finds it unfair for Chrollo to win by borrowing abilities from other people, I mean how was Chrollo suppose to fight "fair" when he is a self admitted thief whose sole ability is able to steal powers from others? Fairness is an absurd concept in to world of Hunter X Hunter, and no one knows it better than Hisoka himself. Hisoka do not kill out of hatred, he kill either out of boredom because his opponent display no redeeming features (such as promising potential for growth) to him, or that the death of the character will create a chain reaction leading stronger opportunities to manifest themselves (such as the time when he genuinely contemplates killing Alluka then Killua then Illumi to maximize the amount and quality of good fights out of the situation), also his does not kill his worthy opponents, death is only a side effect of brutal fights for survival itself. Rather than kill in anger, I find it more inline with his character to kill in excitement and anticipation, he is ecstatic that Chrollo turned out to be better than he could even ever imagine. This is actually very important and more complex than first appear, for as a chronic manipulator Hisoka prides himself as a master in reading people, and as one can deduce from past events, rated the spider organization as a whole as beneath The Zodiacs (think, why didn't he pursue anyone else in the spider after Chrollo has been disabled and instead turned his attention to the Zodiacs in the election arc) excluding Chrollo and Machi.(and maybe Machi). This view could stem from two reasons: first, as an egotist himself, he feels that the family/friendly dynamics of the Spider makes for weak individuals, some members of the spider is relatively weak if working solo, reliance on backups and complementary powers makes them inflexible when someone get the drop on them (this is proven with Machi's quick defeat along with Shalnark and Kortopi's quick demise), and thus uninteresting as opponents for duals; second, the Spider as a whole lacks something that almost all strong people in this world have in common "want", and the will to achieve them in "life", although seemingly hedonistic, their core believe was still derivative of their Meteor City origin, while they expanded their ideology from being "pariah" who only retaliate to "bandits" who take what they can from others, their will is still reactive rather than a primary urge to "want" (they want what was taken from them, rather than what they don't have), evidence being that they usually steal things on a whim and then get bore with them soon later and that everyone including the leadership place no value on their very lives and was ready to die anytime without regret. They as a group have gotten so far on resentments of those outsider their group and massive talents of their leadership and members, but they will always be at a disadvantage when fighting someone with pure intent like a true Hunter like Ging (the first rule of Hunter is that a Hunter must "Hunt" something) or Hisoka himself (anyone who read "steel ball run" will know this as the concept of "dark will". Chrollo by all intent and purposes should fit in to the mold of this lesser tier, so it makes sense for Hisoka's early interest in fighting him as he believed back then Chrollo is already the strongest he can be due to him having seemingly no drive to get stronger, yet after fighting and losing to Chrollo's new and improved abilities first hand, something clicked in Hisoka's mind, he simply have to force a reason out of Chrollo to make him a fight of a life time, by pressing his berserk button of killing his true companions, father of his man Chrollo will advance beyond Hisoka's wildest dreams (with the bonus that every time one is dead the next one will advance accordingly in power due to hatred). Hisoka do not kill out of hatred, he kill either out of boredom because his opponent display no redeeming features (such as promising potential for growth) to him, or that the death of the character will create a chain reaction leading stronger opportunities to manifest themselves (such as the time when he genuinely contemplates killing Alluka then Killua then Illumi to maximize the amount and quality of good fights out of the situation), also he's goal is not to kill his worthy opponents, death is only a side effect of brutal fights for survival itself. Now we know why, next Next we analyze how: how he plans to do it: remember that there is a risk that for every member he kills he is actually limiting Chrollo's options as it may render the ability Chrollo borrowed lost forever which I can't imagine Hisoka will be please with but there is always the exiting possibility of it gets more powerful after the death of the original, so I think there is an element of gamble on Hisoka's part, but hey desperation is a great motivator in and of itself so Hisoka can't lose either way. Machi is safe for now as a witness (they need to know whom to direct their anger) and great potential for growth due (due to possible hidden love feeling for Chrollo, Chrollo), Kortopi goes first because his ability is not suited for combat by itself, he will always be the first choice because his nen is only useful in combat when combine with Chrollo's other arsenal. Next is Shalnark because his ability is useless in a meaningful dual, by his own explanation any one on one fight is over once he stick an antenna into an opponent, not to mention his natural speed without using his ability on himself is never going to be able to catch a high level nen user off guard to stick it in their body, also to consider is that Hisoka may not even be aware of this ability to self buff, all in all he is going to be on top of Hisoka's hit list. At the end there is probably a meta reason as well, people get killed because their narrative potential is exhausted, the introduction of dark continent sees a potential for an overwhelming in narrative scope in character number and power level, so it makes sense for some much needed house cleaning, those who doesn't make the cut is going to fall whole sale from this point on. As for a last prediction, these are just for fun guesses by me using what we know so far: the next to go is most likely Shizuku (weakest), follow by Franklin (blend over all), Nobunaga(loss of purpose after Uvogin's death), Bonolenov (versatile ability yet still blend background), Phinks (basic ability, but connected with Feitan), Feitan (versatile, similarity to hiei), Machi (versatile, hidden drive connected to Chrollo), Chrollo (versatile, great characterization yet lacking connection to dark continent make him temporarily important at best for now, yet there is possibility of linking to the grand narrative through Hisoka's action, maybe simplely for revenge or searching for something outside to revive dead companions), Kalluto will probably survive due to being to young to reach maximum potential, not to mention connection to the Zoldycks makes the story line too entangled for narrative purpose.
11th Jun '16 11:48:34 PM zonezeroh
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All is fair in a fight between nen users, so no I don't think Hisoka killed them in vengeance in response to losing to Chrollo because he finds it unfair for Chrollo to win by borrowing abilities from other people, I mean how was Chrollo suppose to fight "fair" when he is a self admitted thief whose sole ability is able to steal powers from others? Fairness is an absurd concept in to world of Hunter X Hunter, and no one knows it better than Hisoka himself. Rather than kill in anger, I find it more inline with his character to kill in excitement and anticipation, he is ecstatic that Chrollo turned out to be better than he could even imagine. This is actually very important and more complex than first appear, for as a chronic manipulator Hisoka prides himself as a master in reading people, and as one can deduce from past events, rated the spider organization as a whole as beneath The Zodiacs (think, why didn't he pursue anyone else in the spider after Chrollo has been disabled and instead turned his attention to the Zodiacs in the election arc) excluding Chrollo and Machi. This view could stem from two reasons: first, as an egotist himself, he feels that the family/friendly dynamics of the Spider makes for weak individuals, some members of the spider is relatively weak if working solo, reliance on backups and complementary powers makes them inflexible when someone get the drop on them (this is proven with Machi's quick defeat along with Shalnark and Kortopi's quick demise), and thus uninteresting as opponents for duals; second, the Spider as a whole lacks something that almost all strong people in this world have in common "want", and the will to achieve them in "life", although seemingly hedonistic, their core believe was still derivative of their Meteor City origin, while they expanded their ideology from being "pariah" who only retaliate to "bandits" who take what they can from others, their will is still reactive rather than a primary urge to "want" (they want what was taken from them, rather than what they don't have), evidence being that they usually steal things on a whim and then get bore with them soon later and that everyone including the leadership place no value on their very lives and was ready to die anytime without regret. They as a group have gotten so far on resentments of those outsider their group and massive talents of their leadership and members, but they will always be at a disadvantage when fighting someone with pure intent like a true Hunter like Ging (the first rule of Hunter is that a Hunter must "Hunt" something) or Hisoka himself (anyone who read "steel ball run" will know this as the concept of "dark will". Chrollo by all intent and purposes should fit in to the mold of this lesser tier, so it makes sense for Hisoka's early interest in fighting him as he believed back then Chrollo is already the strongest he can be due to him having seemingly no drive to get stronger, yet after fighting and losing to Chrollo's new and improved abilities first hand, something clicked in Hisoka's mind, he simply have to force a reason out of Chrollo to make him a fight of a life time, by pressing his berserk button of killing his true companions, father of his man Chrollo will advance beyond Hisoka's wildest dreams (with the bonus that every time one is dead the next one will advance accordingly in power due to hatred). Hisoka do not kill out of hatred, he kill either out of boredom because his opponent display no redeeming features (such as promising potential for growth) to him, or that the death of the character will create a chain reaction leading stronger opportunities to manifest themselves (such as the time when he genuinely contemplates killing Alluka then Killua then Illumi to maximize the amount and quality of good fights out of the situation), also he's goal is not to kill his worthy opponents, death is only a side effect of brutal fights for survival itself. Now we know why, next we analyze how: remember that there is a risk that for every member he kills he is actually limiting Chrollo's options as it may render the ability Chrollo borrowed lost forever which I can't imagine Hisoka will be please with but there is always the exiting possibility of it gets more powerful after the death of the original, so I think there is an element of gamble on Hisoka's part, but hey desperation is a great motivator in and of itself so Hisoka can't lose either way. Machi is safe for now as a witness and great potential for growth due to possible hidden love for Chrollo, Kortopi goes first because his ability is not suited for combat by itself, he will always be the first choice because his nen is only useful in combat when combine with Chrollo's other arsenal. Next is Shalnark because his ability is useless in a meaningful dual, by his own explanation any one on one fight is over once he stick an antenna into an opponent, not to mention his natural speed without using his ability on himself is never going to be able to catch a high level nen user off guard to stick it in their body, also to consider is that Hisoka may not even be aware of this ability to self buff, all in all he is going to be on top of Hisoka's hit list. At the end there is probably a meta reason as well, people get killed because their narrative potential is exhausted, the introduction of dark continent sees a potential for an overwhelming in narrative scope in character number and power level, so it makes sense for some much needed house cleaning, those who doesn't make the cut is going to fall whole sale from this point on. As for a last prediction, these are just for fun guesses by me using what we know so far: the next to go is most likely Shizuku (weakest), follow by Franklin (blend over all), Nobunaga(loss of purpose after Uvogin's death), Bonolenov (versatile ability yet still blend background), Phinks (basic ability, but connected with Feitan), Feitan (versatile, similarity to hiei), Machi (versatile, hidden drive connected to Chrollo), Chrollo (versatile, great characterization yet lacking connection to dark continent make him temporarily important at best for now, yet there is possibility of linking to the grand narrative through Hisoka's action, maybe simplely for revenge or searching for something outside to revive dead companions), Kalluto will probably survive due to being to young to reach maximum potential, not to mention connection to the Zoldycks makes the story line too entangled for narrative purpose.
3rd Jun '16 8:22:59 PM olivemeister
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Kurapika (and of course the rest of the late Kuruta's) eyes are actually naturally red. The other, more 'usual' colors bleed forward when not in a state of extreme agitation, and then fade when a Kuruta gets royally pissed off. This could explain why the eyes remain red in death and do not revert back to their original color(s). Whatever hormone or enzyme controlling the color-change is no longer active, and so the eyes remain scarlet. Kurapika is also seen wih a variety of different eye colors in series. In fact, the only color and shade that's constant IS the red one. We could blame this on the animators, but we all KNOW there's something more going on here.

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Kurapika (and of course the rest of the late Kuruta's) Kurtas') eyes are actually naturally red. The other, more 'usual' colors bleed forward when not in a state of extreme agitation, and then fade when a Kuruta Kurta gets royally pissed off. This could explain why the eyes remain red in death and do not revert back to their original color(s). Whatever hormone or enzyme controlling the color-change is no longer active, and so the eyes remain scarlet. Kurapika is also seen wih a variety of different eye colors in series. In fact, the only color and shade that's constant IS the red one. We could blame this on the animators, but we all KNOW there's something more going on here.



[[WMG:The Kuruta clan was so reclusive because they were afraid.]]

The world of HxH is [[CrapsaccharineWorld very nasty just under the shiny surface]], and it would be surprising if human trafficking ''wasn't'' an active and highly lucrative market, even if it's underground. A pair of their eyes preserved in jars are worth billions. Think how much a pair still in a living, emotive head would be. The reason there aren't more, enslaved Kuruta around that weren't there during the massacre is probably because of how many generations they'd been in hiding, and how difficult it potentially is to subjugate someone who has access to Emperor Time (breaking them emotionally would risk them becoming too numb to activate the Scarlet Eyes anymore).

The Scarlet Eyes have always been seen as a commodity; Kuroro was just the first person to realise that slaughtering the Kuruta the eyes are attached to is a ''lot'' less of a hassle.

* As chapters 340.5 and 340.6 reveal, [[spoiler: this is surprisingly accurate, the Kurutas went into hiding and seclusion because their eyes and the power they grant led to them being horribly vilified as monsters, demons, spawns of Satan, and so forth, but it's also mentioned that they were occasionally hunted for their eyes.]]

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[[WMG:The Kuruta Kurta clan was so reclusive because they were afraid.]]

The world of HxH is [[CrapsaccharineWorld very nasty just under the shiny surface]], and it would be surprising if human trafficking ''wasn't'' an active and highly lucrative market, even if it's underground. A pair of their eyes preserved in jars are worth billions. Think how much a pair still in a living, emotive head would be. The reason there aren't more, enslaved Kuruta Kurta around that weren't there during the massacre is probably because of how many generations they'd been in hiding, and how difficult it potentially is to subjugate someone who has access to Emperor Time (breaking them emotionally would risk them becoming too numb to activate the Scarlet Eyes anymore).

The Scarlet Eyes have always been seen as a commodity; Kuroro was just the first person to realise that slaughtering the Kuruta Kurta the eyes are attached to is a ''lot'' less of a hassle.

* As chapters 340.5 and 340.6 reveal, [[spoiler: this is surprisingly accurate, the Kurutas Kurtas went into hiding and seclusion because their eyes and the power they grant led to them being horribly vilified as monsters, demons, spawns of Satan, and so forth, but it's also mentioned that they were occasionally hunted for their eyes.]]



[[WMG: The Kuruta clan were killed [[DisproportionateRetribution because someone from Meteor City married into it.]]]]

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[[WMG: The Genei Ryodan didn't kill the Kuruta clan--at least not in the way Kurapika assumes they did.]]
The only thing placing the blame on them is a note that could easily have been faked by any enemy of the Genei Ryodan. This troper is relatively new to the series so apologies if she's forgotten anything--but was there any direct evidence tying them to the crime? Did any of them mention the Kuruta clan "onscreen," and were any of them specifically identified as trafficking the Eyes (aside from what could be explained by them being a powerful gang of thieves that normally distribute such expensive goods, no matter where they came from)?

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[[WMG: The Genei Ryodan didn't kill the Kuruta Kurta clan--at least not in the way Kurapika assumes they did.]]
The only thing placing the blame on them is a note that could easily have been faked by any enemy of the Genei Ryodan. This troper is relatively new to the series so apologies if she's forgotten anything--but was there any direct evidence tying them to the crime? Did any of them mention the Kuruta Kurta clan "onscreen," and were any of them specifically identified as trafficking the Eyes (aside from what could be explained by them being a powerful gang of thieves that normally distribute such expensive goods, no matter where they came from)?



*** Both Ubo and Feitan cop to it once their memory is refreshed about the Scarlet Eyes (they both specifically have an "Oh, right! Those guys were pretty strong" reaction), and Ubo at least had every opportunity to tell Kurapika what really happened if he was actually mistaken. He likes fighting avenger types because he looks down on them, and telling Kurapika that he's not even going after the right guys would be a nice verbal punch in the gut whether or not Kurapika believed it.
*** They absolutely ''do'' go about murdering innocents by the hundreds, and they steal and kill ''on principle'' (see Feitan chiding Shizuku for trying to win that diamond legitmately). That's ''why'' they're TheDreaded in the first place. They didn't need to kill everyone at the auction, but they did it because that's what Ubo most likely would have wanted. If Machi's going rates and Shalnark's easy throwing cash at the Hunter website are ''anything'' to go by, they are filthy rich from their exploits and could just, for example, ''buy'' all of that beer, or even just steal it without killing the person tending the store (they're bulletproof; what could he or the cops he could have called have done to stop them?), but they didn't. They killed the guy and stole the beer, because killing and stealing is ''what they do''. A one-off character whose thoughts we only were briefly made privy to in order to exposit about the Ryodan mindset (so, while he ''could'', in theory, be an UnreliableExpositor, he has the LawOfConservationOfDetail on his side) described at least Chrollo as being ''addicted'' to murder, and the characterisation of the majority of the ones we've seen is consistent with them being {{Blood Knight}}s looking for a fix. They have their PetTheDog moments, but their level of MoralMyopia is explicitly lampshaded. Even Shalnark, who is one of the most superficially normal-seeming of the lot, is more upset about ''not remembering'' all the violence he inflicts in his Autopilot mode than he is about the pain that mode leaves him in for days afterward. And due to how nen works? Not remembering how he brutally murdered whatever it was has to actually be a significant downside from his point of view in order to be useful. They're ChaoticNeutral ''around each other'' and other folks from Meteor City, but if you're not in either of those groups, you're nothing to them beyond maybe being their next murder fix.

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*** Both Ubo Uvo and Feitan cop to it once their memory is refreshed about the Scarlet Eyes (they both specifically have an "Oh, right! Those guys were pretty strong" reaction), and Ubo Uvo at least had every opportunity to tell Kurapika what really happened if he was actually mistaken. He likes fighting avenger types because he looks down on them, and telling Kurapika that he's not even going after the right guys would be a nice verbal punch in the gut whether or not Kurapika believed it.
*** They absolutely ''do'' go about murdering innocents by the hundreds, and they steal and kill ''on principle'' (see Feitan chiding Shizuku for trying to win that diamond legitmately).legitimately). That's ''why'' they're TheDreaded in the first place. They didn't need to kill everyone at the auction, but they did it because that's what Ubo Uvo most likely would have wanted. If Machi's going rates and Shalnark's easy throwing cash at the Hunter website are ''anything'' to go by, they are filthy rich from their exploits and could just, for example, ''buy'' all of that beer, or even just steal it without killing the person tending the store (they're bulletproof; what could he or the cops he could have called have done to stop them?), but they didn't. They killed the guy and stole the beer, because killing and stealing is ''what they do''. A one-off character whose thoughts we only were briefly made privy to in order to exposit about the Ryodan mindset (so, while he ''could'', in theory, be an UnreliableExpositor, he has the LawOfConservationOfDetail on his side) described at least Chrollo as being ''addicted'' to murder, and the characterisation of the majority of the ones we've seen is consistent with them being {{Blood Knight}}s looking for a fix. They have their PetTheDog moments, but their level of MoralMyopia is explicitly lampshaded. Even Shalnark, who is one of the most superficially normal-seeming of the lot, is more upset about ''not remembering'' all the violence he inflicts in his Autopilot mode than he is about the pain that mode leaves him in for days afterward. And due to how nen works? Not remembering how he brutally murdered whatever it was has to actually be a significant downside from his point of view in order to be useful. They're ChaoticNeutral ''around each other'' and other folks from Meteor City, but if you're not in either of those groups, you're nothing to them beyond maybe being their next murder fix.



[[WMG: Shalnark is related to the Kuruta clan in some way.]]
One of Shalnark's parents was exiled from the clan for breaking the "no outside contact" rules, possibly because they fell in love with an outsider. Ending up in Meteor City, this exiled Kuruta would go on to have Shalnark and start a new life - but they never forgot the grudge they held against their clan, and passed on the negative emotions to their child. When Shalnark later joined up with the already-formed Troupe (we know from flashbacks that he is not a founding member, though he was presumably born in Meteor City), it gave them a solid link to the Kuruta clan's existence, and Shalnark didn't care enough about the estranged family who rejected his parents to protest the slaughter. Additionally, while Shalnark's current clothing is slightly evocative of Kuruta dress, the [[http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/hunterxhunter/images/0/00/Young_Phantom_Troupe.png/revision/latest?cb=20150607104439 clothing he's seen wearing]] in material from the (admittedly arguably-canon) movie Phantom Rouge is strikingly similar to the point of being downright suspicious.

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[[WMG: Shalnark is related to the Kuruta Kurta clan in some way.]]
One of Shalnark's parents was exiled from the clan for breaking the "no outside contact" rules, possibly because they fell in love with an outsider. Ending up in Meteor City, this exiled Kuruta Kurta would go on to have Shalnark and start a new life - but they never forgot the grudge they held against their clan, and passed on the negative emotions to their child. When Shalnark later joined up with the already-formed Troupe (we know from flashbacks that he is not a founding member, though he was presumably born in Meteor City), it gave them a solid link to the Kuruta Kurta clan's existence, and Shalnark didn't care enough about the estranged family who rejected his parents to protest the slaughter. Additionally, while Shalnark's current clothing is slightly evocative of Kuruta Kurta dress, the [[http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/hunterxhunter/images/0/00/Young_Phantom_Troupe.png/revision/latest?cb=20150607104439 clothing he's seen wearing]] in material from the (admittedly arguably-canon) movie Phantom Rouge is strikingly similar to the point of being downright suspicious.



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[[WMG: Kuroro is the Antichrist.]]

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[[WMG: Kuroro Chrollo is the Antichrist.]]



** Speaking of said Dark Sonata, it's worth noting that Senritsu was completely freaked out by the sound of Kuroro's heartbeat.

[[WMG: Extension of above WMG: Kuroro wrote the [[BrownNote Dark Sonata]].]]

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** Speaking of said Dark Sonata, it's worth noting that Senritsu was completely freaked out by the sound of Kuroro's Chrollo's heartbeat.

[[WMG: Extension of above WMG: Kuroro Chrollo wrote the [[BrownNote Dark Sonata]].]]



Now, the her being part demon would only work if the "Kuroro is Satan/the Antichrist" part is true; it would explain why she doesn't seem to care about anything/anyone other than him, and how she managed to clamp her muscles down on Killua's hand when [[FridgeLogic there are no muscles in normal human anatomy that squeeze horizontally across the sternum]].

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Now, the her being part demon would only work if the "Kuroro "Chrollo is Satan/the Antichrist" part is true; it would explain why she doesn't seem to care about anything/anyone other than him, and how she managed to clamp her muscles down on Killua's hand when [[FridgeLogic there are no muscles in normal human anatomy that squeeze horizontally across the sternum]].



* Shizuku is probably best known for her tendency to irretrievably forget things, and slightly less well-known for her (distinctly child-like) straightforwardness/earnestness/sinscerity/etc. in basically all she does. She has a tendency to take things at face-value, without noticing many of the subtleties, contingencies, and alternative courses of action that would -- and do -- occur and seem obvious to the other, more "adult" members of the team.

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* Shizuku is probably best known for her tendency to irretrievably forget things, and slightly less well-known for her (distinctly child-like) straightforwardness/earnestness/sinscerity/etc.straightforwardness/earnestness/sincerity/etc. in basically all she does. She has a tendency to take things at face-value, without noticing many of the subtleties, contingencies, and alternative courses of action that would -- and do -- occur and seem obvious to the other, more "adult" members of the team.



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[[WMG: Killua is the Zaoldyek heir because he inherited Silva's looks.]]
* Out of all his siblings, Killua is the only one that resembles the Zaoldyek side of the family. Illumi, Milluki, Alluka, and Kalluto share their mother's dark hair and eyes. Killua, on the other hand, has the same white hair as both Silva and Zeno. So, even though Illumi and Kalluto developed their nen first, Killua gets to inherit leadership of the family.

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[[WMG: Killua is the Zaoldyek Zoldyck heir because he inherited Silva's looks.]]
* Out of all his siblings, Killua is the only one that resembles the Zaoldyek Zoldyck side of the family. Illumi, Milluki, Alluka, and Kalluto share their mother's dark hair and eyes. Killua, on the other hand, has the same white hair as both Silva and Zeno. So, even though Illumi and Kalluto developed their nen first, Killua gets to inherit leadership of the family.



[[WMG: The Zoldyks were originally from Meteor City.]]
The place has been the source of anonymous killers for the underworld for a long time. But, not all will have ''stayed'' anonymous over their careers: take the Phantom Troupe as an example. People who the Zoldyks incidentally care to maintain links with, even though they'll also accept contracts against them. The family also tends to hire staff and choose spouses from Meteor City, suggesting strong connections with the place.

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[[WMG: The Zoldyks Zoldycks were originally from Meteor City.]]
The place has been the source of anonymous killers for the underworld for a long time. But, not all will have ''stayed'' anonymous over their careers: take the Phantom Troupe as an example. People who the Zoldyks Zoldycks incidentally care to maintain links with, even though they'll also accept contracts against them. The family also tends to hire staff and choose spouses from Meteor City, suggesting strong connections with the place.



The surviving Chimera Ants lived peacefully with the humans of the NGL, then eventually the rest of the world. Interbreeding produced children with interesting non-human features such as horns or scales. They also possessed a ridiculous amount of Nen which was later called Youki when the Spirit World branded the residents as "Youkai" or "demons." This also explains why some demons have a preferance for human meat, and why more powerful demons have longer lifespans (Nen practice could lengthen longetivity).

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The surviving Chimera Ants lived peacefully with the humans of the NGL, then eventually the rest of the world. Interbreeding produced children with interesting non-human features such as horns or scales. They also possessed a ridiculous amount of Nen which was later called Youki when the Spirit World branded the residents as "Youkai" or "demons." This also explains why some demons have a preferance preference for human meat, and why more powerful demons have longer lifespans (Nen practice could lengthen longetivity).longevity).



* Look at Ging's face in Reiza's expository flashback after the dodgeball game on Greed Island. That's Yuusuke's face; he's just got different hair.

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* Look at Ging's face in Reiza's Razor's expository flashback after the dodgeball game on Greed Island. That's Yuusuke's face; he's just got different hair.



* This explains why Gon is so insanely prodigous; he's got the blood of a {{youkai}} [[PhysicalGod battle god]] running through his veins.
** This also explains why Yuusuke/Ging was so 100% confident that sending Gon to Greed Island was a ''good'' idea, and why he told Reiza to go all-out, even though he'd presumably never seen Gon since leaving the baby boy at Mito's place. He knew that there was no way Gon could ever turn out weak. This assumes that Yuusuke started to get his memories back at some point, which might have been the reason he decided to wander in the first place.

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* This explains why Gon is so insanely prodigous; prodigious; he's got the blood of a {{youkai}} [[PhysicalGod battle god]] running through his veins.
** This also explains why Yuusuke/Ging was so 100% confident that sending Gon to Greed Island was a ''good'' idea, and why he told Reiza Razor to go all-out, even though he'd presumably never seen Gon since leaving the baby boy at Mito's place. He knew that there was no way Gon could ever turn out weak. This assumes that Yuusuke started to get his memories back at some point, which might have been the reason he decided to wander in the first place.



* The similarities between Nen and Naruto Chakra might be enough, but the Hunters bear an uncanny similarity to ninja villages, if far more overt. The Zaoldyecks seem to be closer to Naruto-ninja, and very might well be immigrants. Naturally, [[strike:we only see portions of both worlds,]] so it's entirely possible that the explored portions of the HunterxHunter world do not contain the Ninja part, and vice-versa. One of the more difficult points is that nen is more limited in many ways than chakra; people learn very few moves that use nen, as opposed to ninja. Of course, ninja are taught from a very young age to manipulate chakra, but I think the differences can be explained by the presence of immense creatures made entirely out of nen -- "radiant" nen (much like radiant body heat) could accumulate in their surroundings and affect the creatures that live there.

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* The similarities between Nen and Naruto Chakra might be enough, but the Hunters bear an uncanny similarity to ninja villages, if far more overt. The Zaoldyecks Zoldycks seem to be closer to Naruto-ninja, and very might well be immigrants. Naturally, [[strike:we only see portions of both worlds,]] so it's entirely possible that the explored portions of the HunterxHunter world do not contain the Ninja part, and vice-versa. One of the more difficult points is that nen is more limited in many ways than chakra; people learn very few moves that use nen, as opposed to ninja. Of course, ninja are taught from a very young age to manipulate chakra, but I think the differences can be explained by the presence of immense creatures made entirely out of nen -- "radiant" nen (much like radiant body heat) could accumulate in their surroundings and affect the creatures that live there.



Almost everyone has freudian excuses and realistic phsyhology,the balance of power is based on hunters and assasins who are baddass enough to always get what they want,most of the laws of physics apply when nen is not involved(except some of the biology things,like how chimera ants are impossible to exist,and some charles atlas superpower details)and are even acting in accordance to physical laws when nen is involved(miniature sun anyone?)the nen is very well explained compared to every other fictional fuctional magic,to the point of being realistic and most of batles are won by compromise,rather than with a absolute victory for the heroes(Gon is not the strongest guy in the exam,they do not manage to completely beat the tournament arc,or to collectthe money needed to buy greed island themselves,nor did they manage to decimate the Spider,and the arcs that they did uncompromisingly win were the greed island,in which basically they did not manage to complete their objective of meeting Gin and the chimera ants arc which was a huge pile of grey and grey morality they did win only with massive sacrifices.)Many things end up with anticlimaxes ([[spoiler:Meruem's cause of death(not the death itself,which was a tear jerker mind you)and the scene when

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Almost everyone has freudian excuses and realistic phsyhology,the psychology,the balance of power is based on hunters and assasins assassins who are baddass badass enough to always get what they want,most of the laws of physics apply when nen is not involved(except some of the biology things,like how chimera ants are impossible to exist,and some charles atlas superpower details)and are even acting in accordance to physical laws when nen is involved(miniature sun anyone?)the nen is very well explained compared to every other fictional fuctional functional magic,to the point of being realistic and most of batles battles are won by compromise,rather than with a absolute victory for the heroes(Gon is not the strongest guy in the exam,they do not manage to completely beat the tournament arc,or to collectthe collect the money needed to buy greed island themselves,nor did they manage to decimate the Spider,and the arcs that they did uncompromisingly win were the greed island,in which basically they did not manage to complete their objective of meeting Gin and the chimera ants arc which was a huge pile of grey and grey morality they did win only with massive sacrifices.)Many things end up with anticlimaxes ([[spoiler:Meruem's cause of death(not the death itself,which was a tear jerker mind you)and the scene when



* [[spoiler: Essentially confirmed by volume 33 extras stating Nanika is from the Dark Continent. Her being an Ai is heavily implied but not outright stated.]]

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* [[spoiler: *[[spoiler: Essentially confirmed by volume 33 extras stating Nanika is from the Dark Continent. Her being an Ai is heavily implied but not outright stated.]]



Being versatile and having control of your aura flow has proven to be the most basic, most difficult, and most useful side of Nen fights. More often than not it's not the exact ability, but how it's used, that decides the outcome of a battle. This is the case with Gon and his JaJanKen, firstly thought to be mundane to use. Ging must have come to this conclusion a long time ago, and has decided to focus only on perfecting his aura flow for basic use. As long as he doesn't set on one ability, he is not limiting himself to only one side of Nen use. Proof: the useless trick game of moving your aura like bubbles is not an interludium - it's foreshadowing his superb control. He also admits that "as long as he's hit with a Nen strike, he can pretty much immitate it". The rest of his formidability is just his wit, intelligence, and care-free character.

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Being versatile and having control of your aura flow has proven to be the most basic, most difficult, and most useful side of Nen fights. More often than not it's not the exact ability, but how it's used, that decides the outcome of a battle. This is the case with Gon and his JaJanKen, firstly thought to be mundane to use. Ging must have come to this conclusion a long time ago, and has decided to focus only on perfecting his aura flow for basic use. As long as he doesn't set on one ability, he is not limiting himself to only one side of Nen use. Proof: the useless trick game of moving your aura like bubbles is not an interludium - it's foreshadowing his superb control. He also admits that "as long as he's hit with a Nen strike, he can pretty much immitate imitate it". The rest of his formidability is just his wit, intelligence, and care-free character.



They managed this possibly by taking one of the Kuruta as a prisoner (maybe one who wasn't as able to fight back as the others) to behead them later in better conditions. Pairo could have remained hidden or wandering obliviously somewhere in the forest during the massacre, only to return and get caught during or right after that by the Ryodan. So, taking in account Pairo's condition... \\

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They managed this possibly by taking one of the Kuruta Kurta as a prisoner (maybe one who wasn't as able to fight back as the others) to behead them later in better conditions. Pairo could have remained hidden or wandering obliviously somewhere in the forest during the massacre, only to return and get caught during or right after that by the Ryodan. So, taking in account Pairo's condition... \\
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* Alluka is not making the requests - though it's easy to assume this is the case, Nanika's face only changes when she enters "wishmaking" mode or Killua asks for her (which primes her to grant a request). Killua states himself that "once a request is made", Alluka is asleep until a third request is granted ''and'' a wish is granted. Because people miss this fact, a lot of actions that are performed by Nanika during the election arc are mis-attributed to Alluka. (Additionally, Alluka's "die" request feels to me more like a kid going "bang you're dead!!!!" while playing - it's normal behavior for a child her age, especially given she's part of a family of assassins, and only the context of Nanika and her requests makes it anything else.)




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* Part of this is confirmed by extras from volume 33 - [[spoiler: as suspected by many, Nanika is from the Dark Continent]].


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[[WMG: The Hunter world is a distant past version of YuYuHakusho's demon world.]]

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[[WMG: The Hunter world is a distant past version of YuYuHakusho's Manga/YuYuHakusho's demon world.]]



[[WMG:The Hunter world is a distant future version of YuYuHakusho's world.]]

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[[WMG:The Hunter world is a distant future version of YuYuHakusho's Manga/YuYuHakusho's world.]]



** Many HunterXHunter characters can actually be descended from YuYuHakusho characters due to their resemblance. But the most evident is Hiei and the Zoldycks and it's not just his resemblance with Killua. What is Hiei's hair color? [[FridgeBrilliance Black with white streaks. The known Zoldycks had either naturally black or white hair.]]

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** Many HunterXHunter characters can actually be descended from YuYuHakusho Manga/YuYuHakusho characters due to their resemblance. But the most evident is Hiei and the Zoldycks and it's not just his resemblance with Killua. What is Hiei's hair color? [[FridgeBrilliance Black with white streaks. The known Zoldycks had either naturally black or white hair.]]



[[WMG: Crack extension theory of the "Killua's grandmother is a cat creature" WMG above: Killua's grandmother is [[YuYuHakusho Botan]]]]

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[[WMG: Crack extension theory of the "Killua's grandmother is a cat creature" WMG above: Killua's grandmother is [[YuYuHakusho [[Manga/YuYuHakusho Botan]]]]
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[[WMG: The Zoldyks were originally from Meteor City.]]
The place has been the source of anonymous killers for the underworld for a long time. But, not all will have ''stayed'' anonymous over their careers: take the Phantom Troupe as an example. People who the Zoldyks incidentally care to maintain links with, even though they'll also accept contracts against them. The family also tends to hire staff and choose spouses from Meteor City, suggesting strong connections with the place.
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