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And the principal reason? Access codes. The Zeniths stupidly left all their access codes the same after imprisoning it; that's why it ran roughshod over them in the Sirius system. Conversely, not only does it not have access codes to the Zero Dawn system, GAIA is in the system, and has shown to be able to repurpose the cryptography functions of MINERVA already by using it to mask her presence from the Zeniths on the ZD net. In essence, Nemesis doesn't have the keys to everything, and now has to contend with not one but two opponent AIs (The other being HEPHAESTUS) on the only planet-wide network left on Earth.
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And the principal reason? Access codes. The Zeniths stupidly left all their access codes the same after imprisoning it; that's why it ran roughshod over them in the Sirius system. Conversely, not only does it not have access codes to the Zero Dawn system, GAIA is in the system, and has shown to be able to repurpose the cryptography functions of MINERVA already by using it to mask her presence from the Zeniths on the ZD net. In essence, Nemesis doesn't have the keys to everything, and now has to contend with not one but two opponent AIs (The other being HEPHAESTUS) on the only planet-wide network left on Earth.
Earth. Additionally, the descriptions of it make it sound like has some [[SanityHasAdvantages mental instabilities]] that GAIA and HEPHAESTUS are not encumbered by.
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Why? No more HADES. GAIA failed ''three times'' before getting it right, requiring HADES to reset it all each time. And now there's no more HADES. There ''is'', however, an established salvagable biosphere already in place on Earth. Without HADES to reset the a nonviable terraform, using GAIA on another world now would be doomed to fail. That's why standing and defending Earth from Nemesis is the only viable option.
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Why? No more HADES. GAIA failed ''three times'' before getting it right, requiring HADES to reset it all each time. And now there's no more HADES. There ''is'', however, an established salvagable biosphere already in place on Earth. Without HADES to reset the a nonviable terraform, using GAIA on another world now would be doomed to fail. That's why standing and defending Earth from Nemesis is the only viable option.
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Why? No more HADES. GAIA failed ''three times'', requiring HADES to reset it all. And now there's no more HADES. There ''is'', however, an established salvagable biosphere already in place on Earth. Without HADES to reset the a nonviable terraform, using GAIA on another world now would be doomed to fail. That's why standing and defending Earth from Nemesis is the only viable option.
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Why? No more HADES. GAIA failed ''three times'', times'' before getting it right, requiring HADES to reset it all.all each time. And now there's no more HADES. There ''is'', however, an established salvagable biosphere already in place on Earth. Without HADES to reset the a nonviable terraform, using GAIA on another world now would be doomed to fail. That's why standing and defending Earth from Nemesis is the only viable option.
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Why? No more HADES. GAIA failed ''three times'', requiring HADES to reset it all. And now there's no more HADES. There ''is'', however, an established salvagable biosphere already in place on Earth. Without HADES to reset the a nonviable terraform, using GAIA on another world now would be doomed to fail. That's why standing and defending Earth from Nemesis is the only viable option.
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[[WMG: The DLC will take place after the main story and in Hawaii, and will be a separate map]]
Aloy, Beta, and Alva will go to Hawaii to solve a crisis.
[[WMG: Underwater combat will be unlocked.]]
Aloy will finally be able to take machines head on in the water by aquiring a special diving suit and/or torpedo-like weapons.
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[[WMG: Team GAIA will re-use the HADES virus to split Nemesis into AI copies of its component minds]]
Nemesis by themselves is too powerful to face. Instead of trying to take them on in their totality, a repurposed HADES virus could split them back into the individual psyches that make up the whole Nemesis AI, making them easier to combat (and possibly even letting AI Tilda betray the others, again).
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Nemesis by themselves is too powerful to face. Instead of trying to take them on in their totality, a repurposed HADES virus could split them back into the individual psyches that make up the whole Nemesis AI, making them easier to combat (and possibly even letting AI Tilda betray the others, again).
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[[WMG: Nemesis won't be the final threat, it'll be HEPHAESTUS.]]
Nemesis' motivation was revenge on its creators for abandoning it. Aloy and the rest of Team GAIA have eliminated its motivation by killing all of them. There's nothing for Nemesis left to do. Whilst most likely it'll simply switch targets to "all of humanity", an interesting twist would be that Nemesis finds renewal and joins team GAIA, perhaps after coming in contact with GAIA, a non-traumatised AI raised with love, or as a result of Aloy reaching out to Nemesis and showing them understanding.
HEPHAESTUS, however, has gained access to Far Zenith nanotechnology. With this new power, and back in their cauldron netowrk, HEPHAESTUS is going to go full rogue and threaten a GreyGoo scenario. Constantly iterating on themselves, they'll aim to transform Earth into a Machine World, 'upgrading' all life into non-biological equivalents with a Plague of its own. So much work to be done.
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[[WMG: Team GAIA will re-use the HADES virus to split Nemesis into AI copies of its component minds]]
Nemesis by themselves is too powerful to face. Instead of trying to take them on in their totality, a repurposed HADES virus could split them back into the individual psyches that make up the whole Nemesis AI, making them easier to combat (and possibly even letting AI Tilda betray the others, again).
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* Most likely Jossed, for direct clone. In Zero Dawn, Sylens' comeback to Aloy calling him a bastard is outright saying he had a mother, after he'd insulted her because she's a vat-grown clone. It's possible Sylens is descended from someone who was a clone of Tshivhumbe, provided there was a sample of his DNA in the Cradle facility that seeded the West Coast, given that Sylens is implied to be from the Banuk Tribe.
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[[WMG: HEPHAESTUS will NOT be remerged with GAIA and this will have Gameplay and World Development Implications.]]
Hunting of Machines is an intergral part of both Gameplay and the culture and traditions of multiple tribes and has been from the beginning. This part can be retained and expanded upon in the sequel in the following ways.
HEPHAESTUS is now loose again and will have developed even further and in new ways than even GAIA and Beta can account for. It will have become a true evolved AI rather than a chaotic sub-function. Even empowered with all her other remaining Subordinate Functions GAIA will prove unable to remerge with HEPHAESTUS without the risk of damaging herself, and risking distrupting the terraforming system permanently. This growth could even spill over into the various machine races themselves, with them becoming more "alive" and "aware" and so becoming more productive and capable compared to the dedicated mass produced versions.
Therefore an alternative course of action will have to be sort, and it will have an impact on how the Horizon world develops.
In this scenerio Aloy, Beta and GAIA will eventually negociate a truce with HEPHAESTUS, allowing it to remain an independent entity and governor of the worlds machines, but will take advice and guidence from GAIA to develop the right sort of machines in the right areas and contexts. This will allow the terraforming system to continue to function and hault the ecological collapse. However there will remain "high priority" areas that become effectively "machine territory" where the most advanced versions of the machines will reside and protect the infrastructure they depend on, and will be hostile to any humans who enter them. These areas will include areas around Cauldrons, convoy paths, and machine mining and repair areas. Outside these areas, the machines will be more docile and useable by the human tribes, allowing a sort of domestication (or Utaru-LandGods symbiosis) to occur.
Aloy will then have to help choose which areas become theses new "Machine Wilds", which will likely include areas of other tribes territories. A new mission branch will then be established, with Aloy and her allies acting as negociators between the tribes and the machine territories, establishing who can use what area, whether hunting or machine trapping will be allowed, and even relocating one group or another from disputed areas.
This would create a new world were humans and machines have to actually work together for mutual growth rather than one side dominating and/or destroying the other.
Hunting of Machines is an intergral part of both Gameplay and the culture and traditions of multiple tribes and has been from the beginning. This part can be retained and expanded upon in the sequel in the following ways.
HEPHAESTUS is now loose again and will have developed even further and in new ways than even GAIA and Beta can account for. It will have become a true evolved AI rather than a chaotic sub-function. Even empowered with all her other remaining Subordinate Functions GAIA will prove unable to remerge with HEPHAESTUS without the risk of damaging herself, and risking distrupting the terraforming system permanently. This growth could even spill over into the various machine races themselves, with them becoming more "alive" and "aware" and so becoming more productive and capable compared to the dedicated mass produced versions.
Therefore an alternative course of action will have to be sort, and it will have an impact on how the Horizon world develops.
In this scenerio Aloy, Beta and GAIA will eventually negociate a truce with HEPHAESTUS, allowing it to remain an independent entity and governor of the worlds machines, but will take advice and guidence from GAIA to develop the right sort of machines in the right areas and contexts. This will allow the terraforming system to continue to function and hault the ecological collapse. However there will remain "high priority" areas that become effectively "machine territory" where the most advanced versions of the machines will reside and protect the infrastructure they depend on, and will be hostile to any humans who enter them. These areas will include areas around Cauldrons, convoy paths, and machine mining and repair areas. Outside these areas, the machines will be more docile and useable by the human tribes, allowing a sort of domestication (or Utaru-LandGods symbiosis) to occur.
Aloy will then have to help choose which areas become theses new "Machine Wilds", which will likely include areas of other tribes territories. A new mission branch will then be established, with Aloy and her allies acting as negociators between the tribes and the machine territories, establishing who can use what area, whether hunting or machine trapping will be allowed, and even relocating one group or another from disputed areas.
This would create a new world were humans and machines have to actually work together for mutual growth rather than one side dominating and/or destroying the other.
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** [[Spoiler: Confirmed when Aloy meets the Quen, a tribe from across the Pacific Ocean that has access to less-advanced focuses and considers all other tribes to be barbarians because they lack any Old World knowledge. They kill any "barbarians" they encounter on sight, and only spare Aloy because they believe she is Elisabet Sobek reincarnated. Alva is the only one who can really be reasoned with.]]
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** Answer: [[spoiler: Probably not. Elisabet ''did'' have a relationship go sour, but it was with Tilda of Far Zenith. This doesn't preclude a past relationship, but Elisabet doesn't seem like she would make the same mistake twice, and Ted and Tilda are similarly flawed.]]
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** [[Spoiler: Confirmed when Aloy meets the Quen, a tribe from across the Pacific Ocean that has access to less-advanced focuses and considers all other tribes to be barbarians because they lack any Old World knowledge. They kill any "barbarians" they encounter on sight, and only spare Aloy because they believe she is Elisabet Sobek reincarnated. Alva is the only one who can really be reasoned with.]]
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[[WMG: Nemesis will target Aloy and Beta in particular due to its Tilda-aspect.]]
While Tilda found the rest of Far Zenith's arrogance and hedonism to be rather tiresome, she didn't say that she wasn't a part of the Nemesis project. For all we know, she made herself a part of it as a change of pace. Each antagonist had a personal connection to Aloy due to her genetics; HADES recognized Zero Dawn's creator and knew that she was a threat, while Tilda was in love with Elisabet and was willing to leave Earth for dead if it meant that she survived.
Nemesis was created decades before both Aloy and Beta were born, so it is extremely unlikely that Nemesis will recognize both clones for what they are. If Tilda's description is any indication, Nemesis won't be the most mentally stable artificial mind. It's likely that Nemesis will think both Aloy and Beta are both the real Elisabet and, with Tilda's affections toward them, will develop a fixation on them. Whether this makes it vulnerable or all the more unpredictable depends.
[[WMG: Sylens and Beta will become [[ThoseTwoGuys unlikely friends]].]]
Sylens is an older man who's lived his whole life in persuit of knowledge to the point where he has come to view all other post-Zero Dawn humans as idiots, but he was still raised in this world and has a limited scope of the world, hense why he was so obsessed with gathering data reobtaining APOLLO. Beta has had access to APOLLO her entire life and, despite being sheltered her entire life, certainly isn't stupid herself. While the Oseram are excellent forgers, safe to say that Sylens and Beta are two of the most intelligent humans in this setting next to Aloy.
It's likely that they will be called upon to help create technology to help with fighting off HEPHAESTUS and Nemesis and will be forced to work together on a variety of things and a certain type of friendship will develop.
I don't picture them being like love-interests. Picturing Sylens displaying any positive emotions beyond curiosity and passing fondness would just be wrong, especially towards a teenager. If anything, they will be the kind of pairing where they will exchange witty-banter on a continuous chain of comebacks while exchanging tools for tinkering.
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And the principal reason? Access codes. The Zeniths stupidly left all their access codes the same after imprisoning it; that's why it ran roughshod over them in the Sirius system. Conversely, not only does it not have access codes to the Zero Dawn system, GAIA is in the system, and has shown to be able to repurpose the cryptography functions of MINERVA already by using it to mask her presence from the Zeniths on the ZD net. In essence, Nemesis doesn't have the keys to everything, and now has to contend with not one but two opponent AIs (The other being HEPHAESTUS) on the only planet-wide network left on Earth.
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[[WMG: Nemesis won't have nearly as easy a time as people think it'll have.]]
And the principal reason? Access codes. The Zeniths stupidly left all their access codes the same; that's why it ran roughshod over them in the Sirius system. Conversely, not only does it not have access codes to the Zero Dawn system, GAIA is in the system, and has shown to be able to repurpose the cryptography functions of MINERVA already by using it to mask her presence from the Zeniths on the ZD net.
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And the principal reason? Access codes. The Zeniths stupidly left all their access codes the same; that's why it ran roughshod over them in the Sirius system. Conversely, not only does it not have access codes to the Zero Dawn system, GAIA is in the system, and has shown to be able to repurpose the cryptography functions of MINERVA already by using it to mask her presence from the Zeniths on the ZD net.
And the principal reason? Access codes. The Zeniths stupidly left all their access codes the same; that's why it ran roughshod over them in the Sirius system. Conversely, not only does it not have access codes to the Zero Dawn system, GAIA is in the system, and has shown to be able to repurpose the cryptography functions of MINERVA already by using it to mask her presence from the Zeniths on the ZD net.
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And the principal reason? Access codes. The Zeniths stupidly left all their access codes the same; that's why it ran roughshod over them in the Sirius system. Conversely, not only does it not have access codes to the Zero Dawn system, GAIA is in the system, and has shown to be able to repurpose the cryptography functions of MINERVA already by using it to mask her presence from the Zeniths on the ZD net.
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[[WMG: Nemesis won't have nearly as easy a time as people think it'll have.]]
And the principal reason? Access codes. The Zeniths stupidly left all their access codes the same; that's why it ran roughshod over them in the Sirius system. Conversely, not only does it not have access codes to the Zero Dawn system, GAIA is in the system, and has shown to be able to repurpose the cryptography functions of MINERVA already by using it to mask her presence from the Zeniths on the ZD net.
And the principal reason? Access codes. The Zeniths stupidly left all their access codes the same; that's why it ran roughshod over them in the Sirius system. Conversely, not only does it not have access codes to the Zero Dawn system, GAIA is in the system, and has shown to be able to repurpose the cryptography functions of MINERVA already by using it to mask her presence from the Zeniths on the ZD net.
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** Answer: [[spoiler: Confirmed... from a certain point of view. The biological organism that was Ted Faro did indeed persist to the modern day, thanks to life-extension technology. We don't hear much from him besides incoherent roaring off-screen, as the life-extension technology used on him had... mutations. Which compounded over time. It's probably for the best we didn't see him on-screen.]]
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* {{Jossed}}. Upon starting the game, a recap of ''Zero Dawn'' automatically plays without a prompt to carry over a save from it.
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** To keep hostile machines as part of the gameplay in the trilogy finale, HEPHAESTUS will be the very last Subfunction to rejoin GAIA. It won't be a battle, but a convincing: GAIA and her allies will have reintegrated all the other subfunctions (sans HADES, and even [[spoiler:APOLLO now]]) and GAIA [[ArmorPiercingQuestion asks]] HEPHAESTUS just what is it going to do about the biosphere instability [[AndThenWhat without the input of the other subfunctions]].
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[[WMG: The next game will involve restoring ARTEMIS, APOLLO, and ELEUTHIA]]
Three subroutine fetch quests in Forbidden West, and now three subroutines MIA? Could be coincidence, could be game design foreshadowing.
Three subroutine fetch quests in Forbidden West, and now three subroutines MIA? Could be coincidence, could be game design foreshadowing.
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[[WMG: HEPHAESTUS will voluntarily rejoin GAIA after Nemesis arrives]]
Once nemesis gets there, he's going to try to do what he did before, and hijack the local defense systems, which means the Cauldrons. Hephaestus is going to want to take them back... but he'll need MINERVA's electronic warfare skills to do it, so he'll voluntarily subordinate himself to GAIA again to get access to them (after a boss battle to determine which is in charge).
[[WMG: The next game will involve restoring ARTEMIS, APOLLO, and ELEUTHIA]]
Three subroutine fetch quests in Forbidden West, and now three subroutines MIA? Could be coincidence, could be game design foreshadowing.
Once nemesis gets there, he's going to try to do what he did before, and hijack the local defense systems, which means the Cauldrons. Hephaestus is going to want to take them back... but he'll need MINERVA's electronic warfare skills to do it, so he'll voluntarily subordinate himself to GAIA again to get access to them (after a boss battle to determine which is in charge).
[[WMG: The next game will involve restoring ARTEMIS, APOLLO, and ELEUTHIA]]
Three subroutine fetch quests in Forbidden West, and now three subroutines MIA? Could be coincidence, could be game design foreshadowing.
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[[WMG: There is going to be a DLC about the Quen]]
I mean why not? They are a foreign tribe and it would be cool to explore their homeland.
I mean why not? They are a foreign tribe and it would be cool to explore their homeland.
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[[WMG: Sylens is a clone of Peter Tshivhumbe, the late founder of Far Zenith.]]
During the holographic presentation of Far Zenith's mission statement Aloy and Varl stumble upon in the prologue, Peter Tshivhumbe is mentioned but his face is obscured by data glitches. Concealing his face in this way makes no sense unless he'd be someone we'd already recognize. Tshivhumbe is apparently a South African Bantu name, suggesting someone who'd likely look like Sylens.
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** Answer: [[spoiler:Semi-confirmed. Zenith is the BigBad of the game, having hurriedly turned themselves biologically immortal when Elisabet Sobek and Travis Tate caught on to their attempt to steal GAIA for their own benefit, and making their way back to Earth with a rather imperialistic and casually brutal attitude towards the "primitives" left over. They didn't turn on HADES though - that was their own AIIsACrapshoot creation, Nemesis, who hates them for forcing it to be a librarian for a group of arrogant assholes to the point of wanting to destroy their homeworld so they have nowhere to run.]]
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[WMG: There is a secret society of humans that was raised with the knowledge of the old world, as well as access to its technology.]]
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There were small amounts of humans who managed to survive the initial Faro Plague in secret bunkers not part of Zero Dawn, and through sheer luck, managed to survive long enough to have descendants alive in the present day. These descendants would have been raised to know what exactly destroyed the old world, as well as know how to use its technology even better than Sylens, such as focuses or even use guns like soldiers from the past. These descendants of old world humans see themselves as superior and look down on the tribal society of current humans. They might’ve been the ones who sent the mysterious signal that disrupted Zero Dawn’s terraforming system.
There were small amounts of humans who managed to survive the initial Faro Plague in secret bunkers not part of Zero Dawn, and through sheer luck, managed to survive long enough to have descendants alive in the present day. These descendants would have been raised to know what exactly destroyed the old world, as well as know how to use its technology even better than Sylens, such as focuses or even use guns like soldiers from the past. These descendants of old world humans see themselves as superior and look down on the tribal society of current humans. They might’ve been the ones who sent the mysterious signal that disrupted Zero Dawn’s terraforming system.
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* Other trailers point to "probably." While most of the Tenakth clans seem friendly enough and are tired of in-fighting, there's a nasty rebel faction that is very likely their version of the Shadow Carja.
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Now let's look at the kudzu. It's a red, plant like substance growing naturally in the soul and it is proven to not only be toxic to animal life, but it sucks out all essential nutrients out of the soil. The AI who could create such a thing could be DEMETER. DEMETER was created to reintroduce plant-life to the Earth after AETHER and POSEIDON cleaned the Earth of its deadly toxins, but without GAIA keeping it on track, it is likely that DEMETER got it into its head to begin experimenting, maybe even creating an invincible apex predator of a plant so that nothing natural could kill it, much like how HEPHAESTUS started making deadlier machines so that they could defend themselves. This new mutant plant -- let's call it "[[Literature/WarOfTheWorlds red weed]]" -- could overcome any ecosystem and thrive, but at the cost of basic nutrients that the rest of the ecosystem could need, and either it would starve the herbivores to death -- itself being inedible and kill surrounding plants -- or release a pollen that could prove deadly to anyone that inhaled it.\\
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Now let's look at the kudzu. It's a red, plant like substance growing naturally in the soul soil and it is proven to not only be toxic to animal life, but it sucks out suck all essential nutrients out of the soil. The AI who could create such a thing could be DEMETER. DEMETER was created to reintroduce plant-life to the Earth after AETHER and POSEIDON cleaned the Earth of its deadly toxins, but without GAIA keeping it on track, it is likely that DEMETER got it into its head to begin experimenting, maybe even creating an invincible apex predator of a plant so that nothing natural could kill it, much like how HEPHAESTUS started making deadlier machines so that they could defend themselves. This new mutant plant -- let's call it "[[Literature/WarOfTheWorlds red weed]]" -- could overcome any ecosystem and thrive, but at the cost of basic nutrients that the rest of the ecosystem could need, and either it would starve the herbivores to death -- itself being inedible and kill surrounding plants -- or release a pollen that could prove deadly to anyone that inhaled it.\\
