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It will end with John figuring out how to love himself. [[GainaxEnding All of his friends and family will be there, clapping and congratulating him, including Jaspersprite.]] Millions of fans will be incredibly angry until the feature film, [[EndOfEvangelion End of Homestuck]] is released. Though it shows what happens outside of John's mind during the [[GainaxEnding final moments of the original webcomic, it has just as strange an ending, with everybody turning into orange faygo]].

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It will end with John figuring out how to love himself. [[GainaxEnding All of his friends and family will be there, clapping and congratulating him, including Jaspersprite.]] Millions of fans will be incredibly angry until the feature film, [[EndOfEvangelion End ''End of Homestuck]] Homestuck'' is released. Though it shows what happens outside of John's mind during the [[GainaxEnding final moments of the original webcomic, it has just as strange an ending, with everybody turning into orange faygo]].
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[[WMG:In ''Homestuck'', The Sprite is just [[YumeNikki Uboa]] wearing a jester hat.]]

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[[WMG:In ''Homestuck'', The Sprite is just [[YumeNikki [[VideoGame/YumeNikki Uboa]] wearing a jester hat.]]
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[[WMG: The Adventure Game will turn out to be SBURB in disguise........]]
A fanboy can dream, 'aight?

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[[WMG: Jade will defeat Lord English, or at least deal the final blow.]]
And the clues are in the soundtrack! The music playing over Jade's ascension in Cascade is called Savior of the Dreaming Dead. 'The dreaming dead' could quite easily refer to the ghosts residing in the dreambubbles for obvious reasons. Lord English has been destroying the dreambubbles and their residents in massive numbers, so anyone to defeat him would be a savior. QED.

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[[WMG: John will lose the ring in another MSPA story.]]
* He has an inviolably secure inventory system that he has had from literally the first few pages of the comic, yet he's not using it despite it being the better option here. As Tumblr people mentioned, just chucking the plot-critical artifact into the mundane god tier pocket and expecting it not to fall out is completely stupid. As Jade thought, the best way to keep track of a ring is to wear it, and John could probably use the additional immortality if one of Terezi's key thoughts involves a dangerous situation, so really John's just being dumb at this point about ring security. That ring escaped last time!
* How is John supposed to lose this in another game entirely while he's mostly mastered jumps and is following Terezi's thoughts? Simple enough: Get hit by another effect that causes him to graze the narrative under certain conditions (such as the punch-through-time effect knocking someone into a horse calendar as opposed to a regular location), which will land him somewhere outside the narrative but not near LOWAS (say, the MSPA links banner) at a very inappropriate time (such as when Caliborn is attacking the MSPA command station with the juju breaker crowbar), use a random jump or weird narrative abstraction thingies to wind up anywhere but that (say, on the bust-smuggling ship during Problem Sleuth), lose the ring there and cause it to end up somewhere annoyingly hard for John to get to conveniently without risking disrupting the flow of nebulous events (to continue with the ship, at the bottom of the imaginary ocean behind several obstructive busts), and never retrieve it without a waste of meta-time and resources better allocated elsewhere. This provides a plot-relevant point of getting rid of any potential applications of the ring to retrieve Calliope without a lot of work, and solves the problem.

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[[WMG: Hope is dead/lost on a wide scale.]]
* Cronus is a Bard of Hope. Eridan is a Prince of Hope. Both of those are classes that destroy their aspect. Cronus' session scratched and Eridan blew up the Matriorb. The rather killfrenzy troll universe was not exactly hopeful, then Snowman got shot and it died, and the Red Miles-ing of the human universe probably isn't a hopeful scenario. Even if the kids' session wins, the world is still net down a universe and the Green Sun is probably off perpetuating cycles of suffering from Doc Scratch-esque manipulated First Guardians or something.
* Jake is a Page, but "The Page is dead, our Hope is lost" seems to be pretty damning even if he revived as god tier. Even then he still required Aranea doing the Lighty thing in order to quickly fix the serious mental blockades stopping him from using his powers, and we know that was another doomed timeline where everyone dies anyways. The power of the hope field did very little beneficially in the same case, as it damaged a section of Derse and lead to setting up LOFAF for Game Over in general. Also the Gigapause.
* While John's narrative hopping around is probably a good chance to win, Paradox Space is extremely vehement about enforcing doomed timeline means everyone in it dies. This is likely even more so when John is capable of actually changing anything and the setting will thus kill him the second anything remotely lethal can get into position. Or, that rule is there for a reason and a severe paradox will show up and make everything complicated and kill him that way.
** Plus, Lord English is probably more experienced with the narrative teleport house power thingy since it would resolve all of his leprechaun-related timeline shenanigans and thus make them more suitable minions. John and LE will end up just hopping around until they're in a situation where John is not capable of overwhelming LE alone.
* Hussie is also great at trolling the fans. The final flash won't be a beautiful victory/denouement panorama a la Problem Sleuth like we all expect, it will be a devastating glimpse at Lord English slaughtering everyone followed by annihilating Paradox Space for the lulz, then getting killed by a pumpkin appearifier or inappropriately-timed ham or something utterly silly that leads into the next story.

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[[WMG: There are thousands of doomed timelines spiraling off and dying right now, all headed for Calliope.]]
Because shenanigans and the decreasing amount of dreambubbles respectively leaving more dead people and making Calliope's spiral a more and more likely place to be, obviously every single person is going to congregate in that one place until the sheer mass of doomed Vriskas and doomed Roses will actually manage to alert LE with whatever Light power Calliope was worried about. This will end in a massive stage production which will be interrupted by Lord English, who will be shot down by a zerg rush of every single dead person ever via prolonged final battle that will take days in-story and months out-of-story as they manage to recover from shock before LE does, unlike the dreambubble residents who more or less just stood there as LE showed up instead of throwing things in hopes an anti-LE device is hidden in there somewhere by sheer memory-based chance.

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[[WMG: John will lose the ring in another MSPA story.]]
* He has an inviolably secure inventory system that he has had from literally the first few pages of the comic, yet he's not using it despite it being the better option here. As Tumblr people mentioned, just chucking the plot-critical artifact into the mundane god tier pocket and expecting it not to fall out is completely stupid. As Jade thought, the best way to keep track of a ring is to wear it, and John could probably use the additional immortality if one of Terezi's key thoughts involves a dangerous situation, so really John's just being dumb at this point about ring security. That ring escaped last time!
* How is John supposed to lose this in another game entirely while he's mostly mastered jumps and is following Terezi's thoughts? Simple enough: Get hit by another effect that causes him to graze the narrative under certain conditions (such as the punch-through-time effect knocking someone into a horse calendar as opposed to a regular location), which will land him somewhere outside the narrative but not near LOWAS (say, the MSPA links banner) at a very inappropriate time (such as when Caliborn is attacking the MSPA command station with the juju breaker crowbar), use a random jump or weird narrative abstraction thingies to wind up anywhere but that (say, on the bust-smuggling ship during Problem Sleuth), lose the ring there and cause it to end up somewhere annoyingly hard for John to get to conveniently without risking disrupting the flow of nebulous events (to continue with the ship, at the bottom of the imaginary ocean behind several obstructive busts), and never retrieve it without a waste of meta-time and resources better allocated elsewhere. This provides a plot-relevant point of getting rid of any potential applications of the ring to retrieve Calliope without a lot of work, and solves the problem.

[[WMG: Calliope's revival will be much easier than anyone thought and not require Ring of Life shenanigans.]]
All someone has to do is point a resurrection spell at Lord English. Since Caliborn is very much alive, it will default to reviving Calliope back into that body as well. This could easily be accomplished if Godtier Doomed Feferi hasn't been killed yet for a silly version, and about as easily and more seriously if Game Over Jane is available.

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* With the reveal of Vriska and Meenah sharing a friendly moment which might eventually border on moiraillegiance when the time is right, in viewing range of Lord English exploding dreambubbles and killing people, this does not bode well for those ghosts.




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** OP here: Fun fact, this WMG was inspired by an offhand comment somewhere on the Replay Value forums that "Lady Gaga is totally a denizen, we just haven't met her yet.", though I can't remember who said it.
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* If you're willing to allow non-canon aspects, Lady Gaga could be the Denizen of [[Fanfic/SBURBGlitchFAQ Rain]]. She's certainly crazy enough.
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Instead of doing something simple like Dirk's both-dreamself-and-realself-active thing and physically entering the dreambubbles in order to be in two places at once during Openbound, Hussie is actually a hivemind species, not an individual. There are multiple Hussies spread throughout the universes, as a counterpart to Lord English. Because Calliope's soul isn't destroyed yet, Paradox Space requires a balance to the rampant cherub until he can do that.


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Instead of doing something simple like Dirk's both-dreamself-and-realself-active thing and physically entering the dreambubbles in order to be in two places at once during Openbound, Hussie is actually a hivemind species, not an individual. There are multiple Hussies spread throughout the universes, as a counterpart to Lord English. Because Calliope's soul isn't destroyed yet, Paradox Space requires a balance to the rampant cherub until he can do fix that.

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Instead of doing something simple like Dirk's both-dreamself-and-realself-active thing and physically entering the dreambubbles in order to be in two places at once during Openbound, Hussie is actually a hivemind species, not an individual. There are multiple Hussies spread throughout the universes, as a counterpart to Lord English. Because Calliope's soul isn't destroyed yet so Paradox Space requires a balance to the rampant cherub until he can do that.


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Instead of doing something simple like Dirk's both-dreamself-and-realself-active thing and physically entering the dreambubbles in order to be in two places at once during Openbound, Hussie is actually a hivemind species, not an individual. There are multiple Hussies spread throughout the universes, as a counterpart to Lord English. Because Calliope's soul isn't destroyed yet so yet, Paradox Space requires a balance to the rampant cherub until he can do that.

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[[WMG: Andrew Hussie's avatars are not a single person.]]
Instead of doing something simple like Dirk's both-dreamself-and-realself-active thing and physically entering the dreambubbles in order to be in two places at once during Openbound, Hussie is actually a hivemind species, not an individual. There are multiple Hussies spread throughout the universes, as a counterpart to Lord English. Because Calliope's soul isn't destroyed yet so Paradox Space requires a balance to the rampant cherub until he can do that.

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[[WMG: Fireflies are naturally unstuck in canon.]]
This is why they're perfectly fine buzzing around LOWAS in the void without being even slightly worried about getting left behind there, and why they are now outside the panel.

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[[WMG: The cueball is named Ed.]]
Caledscratch. Cal + Ed = Scratch. Lil Cal was one of the ingredients to make Doc Scratch. The other one was the cueball. Therefore, the cueball must be Ed!

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[[WMG: Okay then: CHERUBS are powered by [[GurrenLagann Spiral Energy]].]]
This is much easier to see than the above theory. First off: Cherubs are OBSESSED with spirals in general, but the places where the spiral appears most prominently are the places related to conflict or power (their cheeks are spirals when they are still [[EnemyWithin in conflict]], their sarswapagus has spiral marks on it representing their dual sides, their sucker jujus are spiral-shaped and represent the pinnacle of their individual power). Second: When cherubs mate, they tap into an unnamed 'unlimited power source' which makes them unstoppable against everything except each other. Third: The way they access this unlimited power source is through ''fighting spirit''. An unlimited power source associated with ''both'' fighting spirit AND reproduction that is symbolized by spirals? Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

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[[WMG: Roxy broke the narrative again the second that John fixed it.]]
Edit Tips told me not to make an over 9000 joke. The shop theme/elevator music is abnormally fast, and Roxy isn't saying anything other than sup yet. Nix trolled her into accidentally something and things went out of control from there, so she's hiding out on John's planet in hopes he won't notice whatever she did.

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Yaldabaoth knew in advance that it would be an abnormal session because of the whole Skaia stuff. Since he had a long time to prepare for Caliborn's coming, he got the Strider sword (the only thing other than Echidna's quills confirmed to be able to do anything to the Scratch construct) before it made its way to Dirk on Post-Scratch Earth, the same place, cut Caliborn's scratch construct with it, and since Earth was not in the Medium yet it just went off into space uselessly. This is why there is no large time-associated object that would probably have been noticeable if it was still around by Caliborn's entry.


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Yaldabaoth knew in advance that it would be an abnormal session because of the whole Skaia stuff. Since he had a long time to prepare for Caliborn's coming, he got the Strider sword (the only thing other than Echidna's quills confirmed to be able to do anything to the Scratch construct) before it made its way to Dirk on Post-Scratch Earth, the same place, cut Caliborn's scratch construct with it, and since Earth was not in the Medium yet it just went off into space uselessly. This is why there is no large time-associated object that would probably have been noticeable if it was still around by Caliborn's entry.

entry. It's much easier than just not giving him one in the first place.

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[[WMG: The cherub session Scratching is impossible and not just because Skaia is a black hole.]]
Yaldabaoth knew in advance that it would be an abnormal session because of the whole Skaia stuff. Since he had a long time to prepare for Caliborn's coming, he got the Strider sword (the only thing other than Echidna's quills confirmed to be able to do anything to the Scratch construct) before it made its way to Dirk on Post-Scratch Earth, the same place, cut Caliborn's scratch construct with it, and since Earth was not in the Medium yet it just went off into space uselessly. This is why there is no large time-associated object that would probably have been noticeable if it was still around by Caliborn's entry.

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[[WMG: Magic is real but just got here.]]
Magic is fake as shit. Shit just got real. Therefore, magic = real, but only just now.

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** So far playing the wind seems to have confirmed this. The cartridge got knocked out by the windy thing.
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: The Tinkerbull that was shot by Jake E. was evil.]]
Which is why all those little buggers hugged him with love. Or maybe they think they have too many of their own kind.
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[[WMG: Lord English will be crushed under a pile of heavy objects.]]
This will defeat him as it will take longer than the lifespan of the universe he is in to get out for whatever reason. The pile will be created when a team of doomed godtier Roxys tries to get all the stuff John narrative teleported all back in one place for whatever reason, which collapses onto Lord English by complete accident. So far John's only teleported a planet-covering oil slick besides himself but more retcons might be coming.
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[[WMG: George Washington and Lady Gaga are Denizens.]]
George Washington in the post-scratch universe had prophetic dreams. Denizens also have prophetic dreams. While it's possible he was an extraneous session ancestor we don't know who he'd switch with. Lady Gaga has WMGs that she's a video game boss which nobody has even gotten close to defeating yet (Denizens are the planetary final bosses and they sure take a lot of firepower to kill), is an eldritch abomination (just because Denizens are associated with lands and Skaia's prophecy doesn't mean they can't take hints from the horrorterrors when bored), and probably can fit in the super-flexible-mythology-void that conjures up myths to match Sburb's weirdness. For bonus points, other universal constant actors are also denizen options, though for what classpects we're not sure.

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[[WMG: The dream moons and their moons have rocket jets.]]
This is why people consistently reference ''piloting'' Derse's moon into the Furthest Ring instead of "letting it float on momentum out there and hoping it doesn't crash into squiddles" despite no shown intent of using time powers to minimize Furthest Ring timespace weirdness. They activate automatically on a bunch of spiky buildings in case of the moon being knocked out of orbit to avoid crashing into anything on accident. B1 Prospit's moon jets were damaged by the Red Miles and thus couldn't use them to avoid crashing into the Battlefield, while B1 Prospit itself was able to avoid crashing but B1 Derse's moon just got unchained. B2 moons got blasted by primarily non-game associated means and were more destroyed than removed from orbit, and then Derse got first guardian teleported which didn't kick off the jets. A2 moons got exploded by First Guardian powers so no use there and we don't know what happened in A1.

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[[WMG: The dream moons and their moons have rocket jets.rockets, though they're not very useful.]]
This is why people consistently reference ''piloting'' Derse's moon into the Furthest Ring instead of "letting it float on momentum out there and hoping it doesn't crash into squiddles" despite no shown intent of using time powers to minimize Furthest Ring timespace weirdness. They activate automatically on a bunch of spiky buildings (probably the taller structures at the points of the pentagon seen when looking at the moon) in case of the moon being knocked out of orbit to avoid crashing into anything on accident. accident.
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B1 Prospit's moon jets rockets were damaged by the Red Miles and thus couldn't use them to avoid crashing into the Battlefield, while B1 Prospit itself was able to avoid crashing but B1 Derse's moon just got unchained. unchained.
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B2 moons got blasted by primarily non-game associated means and were more destroyed than removed from orbit, and then Derse got first guardian teleported which didn't kick off activate the jets. rockets.
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A2 moons got exploded by First Guardian powers so no use there and we don't know what happened in A1.
* Cherub session Prospit was way too close to black hole First Break Skaia and got caught before using the rockets would be useful, or because dream Calliope being dead and the session a one player void meant that Prospit had nothing to do that was critical to the game progressing anymore they just didn't turn them on once they saw Skaia cloud over and just waited to die. Cherub session Derse isn't shown enough to draw any conclusions, though they could have been used to stay in orbit, survive long enough to evacuate critical personnel, or get rid of the moon after getting off important people to render the session even more unrecognizable.
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[[WMG: The dream moons and their moons have rocket jets.]]
This is why people consistently reference ''piloting'' Derse's moon into the Furthest Ring instead of "letting it float on momentum out there and hoping it doesn't crash into squiddles" despite no shown intent of using time powers to minimize Furthest Ring timespace weirdness. They activate automatically on a bunch of spiky buildings in case of the moon being knocked out of orbit to avoid crashing into anything on accident. B1 Prospit's moon jets were damaged by the Red Miles and thus couldn't use them to avoid crashing into the Battlefield, while B1 Prospit itself was able to avoid crashing but B1 Derse's moon just got unchained. B2 moons got blasted by primarily non-game associated means and were more destroyed than removed from orbit, and then Derse got first guardian teleported which didn't kick off the jets. A2 moons got exploded by First Guardian powers so no use there and we don't know what happened in A1.
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This is why both Yaldabaoth and Typheus had the giant-glowing-face thing going on when talking to Caliborn and John respectively, Echidna's puffing cold air during Bargaining with the Beast's track art, and the Typheus line illustration has him looking all monster-y. It's because it's a very serious occasion but they can't help but make silly faces while singing fire and ice and whalesong and glitches and whatnot in the player-specific language that Yaldabaoth and Typheus hid their faces behind a really strong glow.

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This is why both Yaldabaoth and Typheus had the giant-glowing-face thing going on when talking to Caliborn and John respectively, Echidna's puffing cold air during Bargaining with the Beast's track art, and the Typheus line illustration has him looking all monster-y. It's because it's a very serious occasion but they can't help but make silly faces while singing fire and ice and whalesong and glitches and whatnot in the player-specific language that Yaldabaoth and Typheus hid their faces behind a really strong glow.
glow. Yaldabaoth has a reputation to maintain so he makes up for it by looking serious in all his statues and imagery.
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[[WMG: Denizens make silly faces when offering The Choice to their players.]]
This is why both Yaldabaoth and Typheus had the giant-glowing-face thing going on when talking to Caliborn and John respectively, Echidna's puffing cold air during Bargaining with the Beast's track art, and the Typheus line illustration has him looking all monster-y. It's because it's a very serious occasion but they can't help but make silly faces while singing fire and ice and whalesong and glitches and whatnot in the player-specific language that Yaldabaoth and Typheus hid their faces behind a really strong glow.
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"The shades OBVIOUSLY shattered when Maplehoof's corpse released the Vast Neigh, put on the Cairo Overcoat, and became none other than Lord English himself." according to the formspring. Since Maplehoof looks nothing like Caliborn/Calliope clearly there was a really big intermediary step.

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"The shades OBVIOUSLY shattered when Maplehoof's corpse released the Vast Neigh, put on the Cairo Overcoat, and became none other than Lord English himself." according to the formspring. Since Maplehoof looks nothing like Caliborn/Calliope Caliborn clearly there was a really big intermediary step.
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[[WMG: Maplehoof's corpse was used to create cherubs somehow via shenanigans.]]
"The shades OBVIOUSLY shattered when Maplehoof's corpse released the Vast Neigh, put on the Cairo Overcoat, and became none other than Lord English himself." according to the formspring. Since Maplehoof looks nothing like Caliborn/Calliope clearly there was a really big intermediary step.

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