History WMG / HigurashiWhenTheyCry

30th Jul '16 10:58:58 AM nombretomado
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* Expanding on this with the Rika's-Perspective Anti-Fantasy stance above: When Rika sealed herself inside the imaginary Hinamizawa, she was trapped inside a domain where her desired world was made real, with the curse that she would suffer as she did in it. [[spoiler:Keiichi is a visiting PC (possibly from D20Modern) who helps "redeem" Rika, allowing her to realize that she cannot simply wish away her problems and must confront them directly.]]

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* Expanding on this with the Rika's-Perspective Anti-Fantasy stance above: When Rika sealed herself inside the imaginary Hinamizawa, she was trapped inside a domain where her desired world was made real, with the curse that she would suffer as she did in it. [[spoiler:Keiichi is a visiting PC (possibly from D20Modern) TabletopGame/D20Modern) who helps "redeem" Rika, allowing her to realize that she cannot simply wish away her problems and must confront them directly.]]
17th Jun '16 4:21:43 PM ferrelas
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* Had a fridge moment about this. You know the bankbook, the one with all the money from the gov't that Satoko isn't hiding. I don't think it exists. Satoko's father is shown complaining about how he won't get paid the money in Matsuribayashi-han, and he demands that Oryou pay him instead. So it's quite possible that it is just a delusion.
17th Jun '16 12:34:01 PM ferrelas
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* Isn't a big point of Higurashi that there is no magic whatsoever, except for Hanyuu 'turning back time'?
17th Jun '16 12:21:24 PM ferrelas
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** Shion playing Mion never shows up at the end of Wtanagashi-hen, both Mion and Shion are dead, it's just a hallucination K1 has, he dies of a heart attack.
17th Jun '16 12:15:20 PM ferrelas
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** It's never hinted that Rika was tortured in Watanagashi-hen, however, Shion playing Mion claims to have tortured Rika, just like she does in Meakashi-hen, the only difference is that we see that Rika kills herself in the chapter.
2nd Jun '16 10:16:03 AM Willbyr
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* Furthermore the Church knows this and has sent [[{{Tsukihime}} Ciel]] undercover as a teacher to observe.

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* Furthermore the Church knows this and has sent [[{{Tsukihime}} [[VisualNovel/{{Tsukihime}} Ciel]] undercover as a teacher to observe.
24th Feb '16 4:13:31 AM metamaster54610
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[[WMG: [[WesternAnimation/GravityFalls Bill Cipher]] is responsible for the events of the series.]]
After getting erased in Stan's mind, the chant Bill recited wanting to return took effect years later. But he didn't end up in Gravity Falls...Instead, he ended up in a a part of his original two-dimensional world near an entirely different town. Bill's presence began to slowly corrupt the town, and he is working behind the scenes, planning to drive Keichi to madness with the groundhog day loop so that he can make a deal to allow him to live a normal life, his real plan being to trick him into beginning his plan to escape the two dimensional world once again so he can unleash Weirdmageddon on the world.
4th Jan '16 11:07:36 AM Willbyr
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This is necessary to explain just where the logic error happened because, first, it explains the situation. All the rest of the games were mainly in Featherine's control. There is no reason why Logic Error would ever occur. This is true in Umineko too. While crafting a good story is hard, we see that the only reason Battler entered Logic Error was because his story was taken off the rails. He was put on the spot. It's the same deal here. Featherine was probably flipping out at just how much Lambda has affected her story. She had to think on her feet. And that's where she became prone to making mistakes.

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This is necessary to explain just where the logic error happened because, first, it explains the situation. All the rest of the games were mainly in Featherine's control. There is no reason why Logic Error would ever occur. This is true in Umineko ''Umineko'' too. While crafting a good story is hard, we see that the only reason Battler entered Logic Error was because his story was taken off the rails. He was put on the spot. It's the same deal here. Featherine was probably flipping out at just how much Lambda has affected her story. She had to think on her feet. And that's where she became prone to making mistakes.



In UminekoNoNakuKoroNi, the WitchSpecies is divided up into 3 subspecies: Witches, who can possess immense power in one world that is considered to be its dominion; Creators, who can "create a one in a world of nothingness."; and Voyagers, ''[[spoiler: who can travel freely in between the different fragments]]''. While it is true that Frederica Bernkastel isn't the same person as Rika Furude, nobody ever said that Rika wasn't a witch; so thus, she must be a Voyager, and [[spoiler: Hanyuu]] a Creator.

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In UminekoNoNakuKoroNi, ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'', the WitchSpecies is divided up into 3 subspecies: Witches, who can possess immense power in one world that is considered to be its dominion; Creators, who can "create a one in a world of nothingness."; and Voyagers, ''[[spoiler: who can travel freely in between the different fragments]]''. While it is true that Frederica Bernkastel isn't the same person as Rika Furude, nobody ever said that Rika wasn't a witch; so thus, she must be a Voyager, and [[spoiler: Hanyuu]] a Creator.



She somehow became an [[UminekoNoNakuKoroNi Umineko-type witch]] after her mortal death, but didn't know it so just decided to define herself as "god".

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She somehow became an [[UminekoNoNakuKoroNi [[VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry Umineko-type witch]] after her mortal death, but didn't know it so just decided to define herself as "god".



Since Rika's mom was the reincarnation of Oyashiro-sama in that world, she would have been able to see Hanyuu just like Rika was able to in the other worlds. However, at some point in the past Rika's mom asked Hanyuu to make everybody start treating her like an ordinary girl (as opposed to treating her like the reincarnation of Oyashiro-sama). However, Hanyuu was unable to do so, and Rika's mom stopped believing in her and thus destroyed her. Much like what happened in UminekoNoNakuKoroNi with [[spoiler: Ange and the Stakes]]. This brings us to...

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Since Rika's mom was the reincarnation of Oyashiro-sama in that world, she would have been able to see Hanyuu just like Rika was able to in the other worlds. However, at some point in the past Rika's mom asked Hanyuu to make everybody start treating her like an ordinary girl (as opposed to treating her like the reincarnation of Oyashiro-sama). However, Hanyuu was unable to do so, and Rika's mom stopped believing in her and thus destroyed her. Much like what happened in UminekoNoNakuKoroNi ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'' with [[spoiler: Ange and the Stakes]]. This brings us to...



[[WMG/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi Because Hanyuu likes playing matchmaker]].

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[[WMG/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi [[WMG/UminekoWhenTheyCry Because Hanyuu likes playing matchmaker]].



This theory is put forward and detailed by [=TahYills=] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYRRY66qDC4 over here]] as an [[UminekoNoNakuKoroNi Anti-Fantasy stance on]] ''Higurashi''. Essentially, it holds that the world depicted in Saikoroshi-hen is the ''actual'' world, and the rest of the series an elaborate fantasy spun by Furude Rika.

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This theory is put forward and detailed by [=TahYills=] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYRRY66qDC4 over here]] as an [[UminekoNoNakuKoroNi [[VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry Anti-Fantasy stance on]] ''Higurashi''. Essentially, it holds that the world depicted in Saikoroshi-hen is the ''actual'' world, and the rest of the series an elaborate fantasy spun by Furude Rika.



***** [[color:blue:But saying that the characters of Rika's ''world'' who don't appear in Saikoroshi-hen don't exist,]] [[color:red:which appears to be what the OP intended to say,]] [[color:blue:is still valid.]] [[color:red:After all, UminekoNoNakuKoroNi's world is stated by WordOfGod to be separate from the worlds of VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry.]] [[color:blue:If we accept the concept of witches as people who snapped under the strain of reality and so went off to the insides of their heads to create their own realities and the plots overall as a type of metaphor, Battler can still exist whether or not he met with Rika and the OP's theory about Saikoroshi-hen can still hold.]]

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***** [[color:blue:But saying that the characters of Rika's ''world'' who don't appear in Saikoroshi-hen don't exist,]] [[color:red:which appears to be what the OP intended to say,]] [[color:blue:is still valid.]] [[color:red:After all, UminekoNoNakuKoroNi's ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'''s world is stated by WordOfGod to be separate from the worlds of VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry.]] [[color:blue:If we accept the concept of witches as people who snapped under the strain of reality and so went off to the insides of their heads to create their own realities and the plots overall as a type of metaphor, Battler can still exist whether or not he met with Rika and the OP's theory about Saikoroshi-hen can still hold.]]



Also- according to some UminekoNoNakuKoroNi TIPS, Lambdadelta aided Takano, which makes a lot of sense with this theory- probably, Lambdadelta's power guaranteed that Rena will be driven insane and murderous, though not that Keiichi wouldn't manage to snap her out of it.

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Also- according to some UminekoNoNakuKoroNi ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'' TIPS, Lambdadelta aided Takano, which makes a lot of sense with this theory- probably, Lambdadelta's power guaranteed that Rena will be driven insane and murderous, though not that Keiichi wouldn't manage to snap her out of it.
3rd Jan '16 10:42:00 AM nombretomado
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[[WMG: Hinamizawa Syndrome is actually caused by a [[SoulEater Kishin]]]]

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[[WMG: Hinamizawa Syndrome is actually caused by a [[SoulEater [[Manga/SoulEater Kishin]]]]



[[WMG:Takano is [[SoulEater Stein and Medusa]]'s love child.]]

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[[WMG:Takano is [[SoulEater [[Manga/SoulEater Stein and Medusa]]'s love child.]]
22nd Oct '15 5:05:30 PM nombretomado
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Nothing fits with the Hinamizawa we know -- so this ''isn't'' the Hinamizawa we know. It's like ComicBook/MarvelZombies or LegendOfZelda or the ''Evangelion''-in-high-school series: same characters, whole different world. The revelations in Kaku have no bearing on the original series or vice versa, and any attempt to reconcile them will just end in tears.

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Nothing fits with the Hinamizawa we know -- so this ''isn't'' the Hinamizawa we know. It's like ComicBook/MarvelZombies or LegendOfZelda Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda or the ''Evangelion''-in-high-school series: same characters, whole different world. The revelations in Kaku have no bearing on the original series or vice versa, and any attempt to reconcile them will just end in tears.
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