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[[WMG: Kyons real name is Ha-Min Gŭgaram]]
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[[WMG: Kyons Kyon's real name is Ha-Min Gŭgaram]]
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[[WMG: Kyons real name is Kyonosuke Sudo]]
I think i may have found this out from a screenshot from the Haruhi Movie, in which we see the Alt!Kyons phone- mixed with Tsuruya calling him Kyorosuke, a 'nyoro' version of the real name Kyonosuke- so his real name is [[http://hail-the-freckled-one.tumblr.com/post/163226334260/ok-i-decided-to-translate-these-screencaps-from Kyonosuke Sudo]] , it would make sense as his register place is infront of haruhi suzumiya!
I think i may have found this out from a screenshot from the Haruhi Movie, in which we see the Alt!Kyons phone- mixed with Tsuruya calling him Kyorosuke, a 'nyoro' version of the real name Kyonosuke- so his real name is [[http://hail-the-freckled-one.tumblr.com/post/163226334260/ok-i-decided-to-translate-these-screencaps-from Kyonosuke Sudo]] , it would make sense as his register place is infront of haruhi suzumiya!
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[[WMG: Kyons Kyon's real name is Kyonosuke Sudo]]
I thinki I may have found this out from a screenshot from the Haruhi ''Haruhi'' Movie, in which we see the Alt!Kyons phone- mixed with Tsuruya calling him Kyorosuke, a 'nyoro' version of the real name Kyonosuke- so his real name is [[http://hail-the-freckled-one.tumblr.com/post/163226334260/ok-i-decided-to-translate-these-screencaps-from Kyonosuke Sudo]] , Sudo]], it would make sense as his register place is infront of haruhi suzumiya!
Haruhi Suzumiya!
I think
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[[WMG:Kyon is of hispanic origin.]]
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[[WMG:Kyon is of hispanic Hispanic origin.]]
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* So, Kyon becomes [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Archer]]?. Didn't see that one coming. Does that make Yuki Saber, or does it make Haruhi Rin?
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* So, Kyon becomes [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Archer]]?. Archer]]? Didn't see that one coming. Does that make Yuki Saber, or does it make Haruhi Rin?
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This is the one Main/SpeculativeFiction trope Haruhi brings up in her opening speech that hasn't shown up yet. Several times in the novels, Kyon has [[Main/LampshadeHanging wondered]] when one of these guys is going to show up to complete the list. It also explains why all this weird stuff suddenly starts happening to him when he gets to High School (he [[Main/PubertySuperpower makes his first leap without realizing it]] and ends up in Dimension Haruhi), why he ends up in Haruhi's new universe when she starts creating it (survival instinct causes his powers to kick in), and finally [[spoiler: why he remembers the Haruhiverse when Yuki creates her new universe in ''Disappearance''. Yuki didn't actually change his history; he just Slid there. Again, a survival reflex action.]] Of course, Itsuki claims Kyon is perfectly normal, but can we really trust him? ....no.
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This is the one Main/SpeculativeFiction SpeculativeFiction trope Haruhi brings up in her opening speech that hasn't shown up yet. Several times in the novels, Kyon has [[Main/LampshadeHanging [[LampshadeHanging wondered]] when one of these guys is going to show up to complete the list. It also explains why all this weird stuff suddenly starts happening to him when he gets to High School (he [[Main/PubertySuperpower [[PubertySuperpower makes his first leap without realizing it]] and ends up in Dimension Haruhi), why he ends up in Haruhi's new universe when she starts creating it (survival instinct causes his powers to kick in), and finally [[spoiler: why he remembers the Haruhiverse when Yuki creates her new universe in ''Disappearance''. Yuki didn't actually change his history; he just Slid there. Again, a survival reflex action.]] Of course, Itsuki claims Kyon is perfectly normal, but can we really trust him? ....no.
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** Methinks that the slider is already there, namely in the alpha-6 chapter, where Kyon [[spoiler: strangely miscounts the number of first years, and then describes a perfect first year who seems to be pure and innocent, as well as her unique feature of [[Main/ChekhovsGunman her hair curling up at the ends like a smiley face]]. Given that a girl who calls him senpai appears in alpha-1 chapter via telephone, and he doesn't recognize her, it does seem that she will be important.]]
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** Methinks that the slider is already there, namely in the alpha-6 chapter, where Kyon [[spoiler: strangely miscounts the number of first years, and then describes a perfect first year who seems to be pure and innocent, as well as her unique feature of [[Main/ChekhovsGunman [[ChekhovsGunman her hair curling up at the ends like a smiley face]]. Given that a girl who calls him senpai appears in alpha-1 chapter via telephone, and he doesn't recognize her, it does seem that she will be important.]]
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*** Remember, friends! All good [[Main/FiveManBand Five Man Bands]] eventually get a Main/SixthRanger!
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*** Remember, friends! All good [[Main/FiveManBand Five {{Five Man Bands]] Band}}s eventually get a Main/SixthRanger!SixthRanger!
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*** Tsuruya isn't the Main/SixthRanger, she's the Main/EnsembleDarkhorse.
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*** Tsuruya isn't the Main/SixthRanger, SixthRanger, she's the Main/EnsembleDarkhorse.EnsembleDarkhorse.
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* Kyon's ''father'' is the slider. Kyon's altogether too willing to accept the weirdness, his father's [[Main/ParentalAbandonment never seen or even hinted at existing in anime or novels]], and so obviously he's shoved off to another dimension and Kyon's mom just doesen't mention it to keep up appearances. The kids just take it in stride and say nothing.
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* Kyon's ''father'' is the slider. Kyon's altogether too willing to accept the weirdness, his father's [[Main/ParentalAbandonment [[ParentalAbandonment never seen or even hinted at existing in anime or novels]], and so obviously he's shoved off to another dimension and Kyon's mom just doesen't mention it to keep up appearances. The kids just take it in stride and say nothing.
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This isn't the same thing as an Esper, unless Itsuki was lying. We see several instances of Kyon narrating or apparently thinking something...and then someone responds to it as if he had said it out loud. This makes sense when Haruhi does it, (she reads his thought bubbles?) but Kyon's [[Main/ThoseTwoGuys friends]] have done it at least once as well. This could dovetail into the "Kyon is really the god" theory.
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This isn't the same thing as an Esper, unless Itsuki was lying. We see several instances of Kyon narrating or apparently thinking something...and then someone responds to it as if he had said it out loud. This makes sense when Haruhi does it, (she reads his thought bubbles?) but Kyon's [[Main/ThoseTwoGuys [[ThoseTwoGuys friends]] have done it at least once as well. This could dovetail into the "Kyon is really the god" theory.
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[[WMG: Kyon fell in love with Haruhi at [[{{Love at First Sight}} first sight]].]]
Disclaimer: this guess is based solely on the Anime, not the light novels. In the first episode (chronologically speaking) when Kyon is first introduced, everything looks boring and gray, right up until he finishes introducing himself to the class. After that Haruhi stands up and gives her weird introduction, prompting Kyon to look at her, at which point the entire thing becomes much more colourful. Also, in the first episode in broadcast order (AKA [[{{Unreliable Narrator}} Kyon ]] order), everything starts off bright, because Haruhi is already a part of his life by that point. His changing the order around (in the original broadcast, he and Haruhi gave the next episode preview together: she would always start to say what episode came next in chronological order and he would correct her, saying what episode would be shown next week in broadcast order) is arguably the first evidence we have that we can't trust everything that he says: if you watch it in chronological order, it becomes easier to see that he's always been in love with Haruhi since they first met, something which he adamantly denies.
Disclaimer: this guess is based solely on the Anime, not the light novels. In the first episode (chronologically speaking) when Kyon is first introduced, everything looks boring and gray, right up until he finishes introducing himself to the class. After that Haruhi stands up and gives her weird introduction, prompting Kyon to look at her, at which point the entire thing becomes much more colourful. Also, in the first episode in broadcast order (AKA [[{{Unreliable Narrator}} Kyon ]] order), everything starts off bright, because Haruhi is already a part of his life by that point. His changing the order around (in the original broadcast, he and Haruhi gave the next episode preview together: she would always start to say what episode came next in chronological order and he would correct her, saying what episode would be shown next week in broadcast order) is arguably the first evidence we have that we can't trust everything that he says: if you watch it in chronological order, it becomes easier to see that he's always been in love with Haruhi since they first met, something which he adamantly denies.
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[[WMG: Kyon fell in love with Haruhi at [[{{Love at First Sight}} [[LoveAtFirstSight first sight]].]]
Disclaimer: this guess is based solely on the Anime, not the light novels. In the first episode (chronologically speaking) when Kyon is first introduced, everything looks boring and gray, right up until he finishes introducing himself to the class. After that Haruhi stands up and gives her weird introduction, prompting Kyon to look at her, at which point the entire thing becomes much more colourful. Also, in the first episode in broadcast order (AKA[[{{Unreliable Narrator}} [[UnreliableNarrator Kyon ]] order), everything starts off bright, because Haruhi is already a part of his life by that point. His changing the order around (in the original broadcast, he and Haruhi gave the next episode preview together: she would always start to say what episode came next in chronological order and he would correct her, saying what episode would be shown next week in broadcast order) is arguably the first evidence we have that we can't trust everything that he says: if you watch it in chronological order, it becomes easier to see that he's always been in love with Haruhi since they first met, something which he adamantly denies.
Disclaimer: this guess is based solely on the Anime, not the light novels. In the first episode (chronologically speaking) when Kyon is first introduced, everything looks boring and gray, right up until he finishes introducing himself to the class. After that Haruhi stands up and gives her weird introduction, prompting Kyon to look at her, at which point the entire thing becomes much more colourful. Also, in the first episode in broadcast order (AKA
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(Note: this theory is based on events until book 5. It also borrows points from various other WMG entries. It also works along with the theory that LightNovel/WhenSupernaturalBattlesBecameCommonplace is the same story seen from Yuki's perspective.)
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(Note: this theory is based on events until book 5. It also borrows points from various other WMG entries. It also works along with the theory that LightNovel/WhenSupernaturalBattlesBecameCommonplace ''Literature/WhenSupernaturalBattlesBecameCommonplace'' is the same story seen from Yuki's perspective.)
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[[WMG:Kyon is KingArthur reborn]]
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[[WMG:Kyon is KingArthur Myth/KingArthur reborn]]
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[[WMG: Kyons real name is Ha-Min Gŭgaram]]
Combining two of my favorite fan theories below, Kyon's name is 河珉 谷가람, read as Ha-Min Gŭgaram. It's a Korean name, with first name combining the kanji for "stream" and "stone meaning jade", and the last name translating to "river valley". In other words, it is a loose translation of Nagaru Tanigawa's name!
Combining two of my favorite fan theories below, Kyon's name is 河珉 谷가람, read as Ha-Min Gŭgaram. It's a Korean name, with first name combining the kanji for "stream" and "stone meaning jade", and the last name translating to "river valley". In other words, it is a loose translation of Nagaru Tanigawa's name!
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[[WMG: Kyons real name is Kyonosuke Sudo]]
I think i may have found this out from a screenshot from the Haruhi Movie, in which we see the Alt!Kyons phone- mixed with Tsuruya calling him Kyorosuke, a 'nyoro' version of the real name Kyonosuke- so his real name is [[http://hail-the-freckled-one.tumblr.com/post/163226334260/ok-i-decided-to-translate-these-screencaps-from Kyonosuke Sudo]] , it would make sense as his register place is infront of haruhi suzumiya!
I think i may have found this out from a screenshot from the Haruhi Movie, in which we see the Alt!Kyons phone- mixed with Tsuruya calling him Kyorosuke, a 'nyoro' version of the real name Kyonosuke- so his real name is [[http://hail-the-freckled-one.tumblr.com/post/163226334260/ok-i-decided-to-translate-these-screencaps-from Kyonosuke Sudo]] , it would make sense as his register place is infront of haruhi suzumiya!
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This is an expansion on the above theory about Kyon not being Japanese. Haruhi at one point mentions that Kyon's real name is hard to say, and Lawrence would be hard for a Japanese person to pronounce. It also brings to mind TE Lawrence, of ''LawrenceOfArabia'' fame, a British soldier who wielded considerable power in the Middle East during his lifetime and which ties in somewhat with the statement that Kyon has a 'regal-sounding' name.
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This is an expansion on the above theory about Kyon not being Japanese. Haruhi at one point mentions that Kyon's real name is hard to say, and Lawrence would be hard for a Japanese person to pronounce. It also brings to mind TE Lawrence, of ''LawrenceOfArabia'' ''Film/LawrenceOfArabia'' fame, a British soldier who wielded considerable power in the Middle East during his lifetime and which ties in somewhat with the statement that Kyon has a 'regal-sounding' name.
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(Note: this theory is based on events until book 5. It also borrows points from various other WMG entries. It also works along with the theory that LightNovel/WhenSupernaturalBattlesBecameCommonplace is the same story seen from Yuki's perspective.)
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* Yuki could also be a companion. He's had three companions before (in fact the original seven Doctors often had three companions). Yuki might be Kamelion BackFromTheDead or, more likely, built by the same people who created the K-9 Units. Kyon has to have his TARDIS lurking around somewhere. The biggest hole in this theory is that Kyon actually has a family (his mother and sister at least), something neither John Smith nor Yana had.
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* Yuki could also be a companion. He's had three companions before (in fact the original seven Doctors often had three companions). Yuki might be Kamelion BackFromTheDead or, more likely, built by the same people who created the K-9 Units. Kyon has to have his TARDIS lurking around somewhere. The biggest hole in this theory is that Kyon actually has a family (his mother and sister at least), something neither John Smith nor Yana had.had.
[[WMG: Kyon is waking up from a coma]]
(Note: this theory is based on events until book 5. It also borrows points from various other WMG entries.)
This is '''not''' AllJustADream, the events in the series are mostly true, but the order, details and most of all logical transitions are garbled in Kyon's memory. The coma is probably the accident we hear of at the end of Disappearance.
We know that the series employs UnreliableNarrator and other literary tactics to have the public experience the feelings of the characters firsthand. For example, the TV version of Endless Eight is an attempt at making the public experience the same boredom as Kyon during a long summer, and possibly to experience the frame of mind that the author had to adopt to write it accurately. The same tactics applies to the whole series with regard to piecing events together with confused memories.
We can try to piece facts together.
Three years ago, Haruhi's parents died in an accident after a baseball event and Haruhi inherited a large estate and responsibilities.
At the next Tanabata, she tried to commit suicide, but Kyon/John Smith discouraged her, possibly without realizing what she was about in the first place.
After her depression was treated, she tried to shut down her imagination and became the AcademicAlphaBitch of East Junior High school who prevents all clubs from having activities.
Eventually, she tires of her no-fun life, and as she learns/remembers that John Smith goes to North High, she decides to get transferred from Kouyouen School.
Itsuki is Kyon himself. He is the son of a vice-president of the company Haruhi inherited, possibly a foreigner. He follows her in order to keep her in check and prevent her tantrums from rocking the company's stock prices.
Kyon is so deeply in love with Mikuru that he is completely oblivious to Haruhi's hitting on him not subtly at all. He sees Mikuru as much more cute and awkward than she really is. Mikuru wants to be be a science fiction writer, Kyon acts as her beta-reader but she does not want to discuss plot points that she did not yet write.
Yuki is a genius who skipped several grades but has still trouble distinguishing reality from fiction and understanding human emotions, possibly to the point of being somewhat autistic. She was somehow related to the Suzumiya family and affected by the accident, thus living alone.
More minor plot points:
During the present Tanabata, Mikuru lost her keys and therefore had to crash at Yuki's apartment.
The computers and laptops of the Computer Study Group were donated by the Suzumiya estate, this is the reason Haruhi believes she can do whatever she wants with them.
Yuki switched to contact lenses but was forced to switch back to glasses for some time.
At some point, possibly in the immediate aftermath of Kyon's accident, Haruhi and Itsuki/Kyon transferred back to Kouyouen School but insisted on coming back to North High.
During the ski trip, after the snow storm and bringing sick Yuki back to the lodge, Itsuki finds the locked liquor cabinet, they guess the combination using Haruhi's memories of her father's math obsession and all three of them get drunk, to the point of almost sleeping together.
[[WMG: Kyon is waking up from a coma]]
(Note: this theory is based on events until book 5. It also borrows points from various other WMG entries.)
This is '''not''' AllJustADream, the events in the series are mostly true, but the order, details and most of all logical transitions are garbled in Kyon's memory. The coma is probably the accident we hear of at the end of Disappearance.
We know that the series employs UnreliableNarrator and other literary tactics to have the public experience the feelings of the characters firsthand. For example, the TV version of Endless Eight is an attempt at making the public experience the same boredom as Kyon during a long summer, and possibly to experience the frame of mind that the author had to adopt to write it accurately. The same tactics applies to the whole series with regard to piecing events together with confused memories.
We can try to piece facts together.
Three years ago, Haruhi's parents died in an accident after a baseball event and Haruhi inherited a large estate and responsibilities.
At the next Tanabata, she tried to commit suicide, but Kyon/John Smith discouraged her, possibly without realizing what she was about in the first place.
After her depression was treated, she tried to shut down her imagination and became the AcademicAlphaBitch of East Junior High school who prevents all clubs from having activities.
Eventually, she tires of her no-fun life, and as she learns/remembers that John Smith goes to North High, she decides to get transferred from Kouyouen School.
Itsuki is Kyon himself. He is the son of a vice-president of the company Haruhi inherited, possibly a foreigner. He follows her in order to keep her in check and prevent her tantrums from rocking the company's stock prices.
Kyon is so deeply in love with Mikuru that he is completely oblivious to Haruhi's hitting on him not subtly at all. He sees Mikuru as much more cute and awkward than she really is. Mikuru wants to be be a science fiction writer, Kyon acts as her beta-reader but she does not want to discuss plot points that she did not yet write.
Yuki is a genius who skipped several grades but has still trouble distinguishing reality from fiction and understanding human emotions, possibly to the point of being somewhat autistic. She was somehow related to the Suzumiya family and affected by the accident, thus living alone.
More minor plot points:
During the present Tanabata, Mikuru lost her keys and therefore had to crash at Yuki's apartment.
The computers and laptops of the Computer Study Group were donated by the Suzumiya estate, this is the reason Haruhi believes she can do whatever she wants with them.
Yuki switched to contact lenses but was forced to switch back to glasses for some time.
At some point, possibly in the immediate aftermath of Kyon's accident, Haruhi and Itsuki/Kyon transferred back to Kouyouen School but insisted on coming back to North High.
During the ski trip, after the snow storm and bringing sick Yuki back to the lodge, Itsuki finds the locked liquor cabinet, they guess the combination using Haruhi's memories of her father's math obsession and all three of them get drunk, to the point of almost sleeping together.
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* So, Kyon becomes [[FateStayNight Archer]]?. Didn't see that one coming. Does that make Yuki Saber, or does it make Haruhi Rin?
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* So, Kyon becomes [[FateStayNight [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Archer]]?. Didn't see that one coming. Does that make Yuki Saber, or does it make Haruhi Rin?
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* But this would mean that [[FateStayNight Kyon is also Saber]]...which opens up a whole new level of disturbing implications.
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* But this would mean that [[FateStayNight [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Kyon is also Saber]]...which opens up a whole new level of disturbing implications.
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* A powerful sometimes-foe is a more cynical version of the lead male...this sounds [[FateStayNight suspiciously familiar.]]
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* A powerful sometimes-foe is a more cynical version of the lead male...this sounds [[FateStayNight [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight suspiciously familiar.]]
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I'm surprised this wasn't already here. Specifically, he's the Doctor under a chameleon arch to make himself think he's a high school student in order to get close to Haruhi, a physical god, due to the time anomalies she was causing. But he couldn't risk getting close to her and revealing he's a time traveler, so he had to pretend to be human. Koizumi and Mikuru are his current companions, and Yuki is the TARDIS.
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I'm surprised this wasn't already here. Specifically, he's the Doctor under a chameleon arch to make himself think he's a high school student in order to get close to Haruhi, a physical god, due to the time anomalies she was causing. But he couldn't risk getting close to her and revealing he's a time traveler, so he had to pretend to be human. Koizumi and Mikuru are his current companions, and Yuki is the TARDIS.TARDIS.
* Yuki could also be a companion. He's had three companions before (in fact the original seven Doctors often had three companions). Yuki might be Kamelion BackFromTheDead or, more likely, built by the same people who created the K-9 Units. Kyon has to have his TARDIS lurking around somewhere. The biggest hole in this theory is that Kyon actually has a family (his mother and sister at least), something neither John Smith nor Yana had.
* Yuki could also be a companion. He's had three companions before (in fact the original seven Doctors often had three companions). Yuki might be Kamelion BackFromTheDead or, more likely, built by the same people who created the K-9 Units. Kyon has to have his TARDIS lurking around somewhere. The biggest hole in this theory is that Kyon actually has a family (his mother and sister at least), something neither John Smith nor Yana had.
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[[WMG: Kyon is [[Series/DoctorWho The Doctor]].
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[[WMG: Kyon is [[Series/DoctorWho The Doctor]].]]
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He can say all he wants about the events of the series, which did actually happen, but nobody would believe him because the story *seemed* so unrealistic. Maybe he'd have to water his story down in a different account, but the series as we know it is the version that actually happened.
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He can say all he wants about the events of the series, which did actually happen, but nobody would believe him because the story *seemed* so unrealistic. Maybe he'd have to water his story down in a different account, but the series as we know it is the version that actually happened.happened.
[[WMG: Kyon is [[Series/DoctorWho The Doctor]].
I'm surprised this wasn't already here. Specifically, he's the Doctor under a chameleon arch to make himself think he's a high school student in order to get close to Haruhi, a physical god, due to the time anomalies she was causing. But he couldn't risk getting close to her and revealing he's a time traveler, so he had to pretend to be human. Koizumi and Mikuru are his current companions, and Yuki is the TARDIS.
[[WMG: Kyon is [[Series/DoctorWho The Doctor]].
I'm surprised this wasn't already here. Specifically, he's the Doctor under a chameleon arch to make himself think he's a high school student in order to get close to Haruhi, a physical god, due to the time anomalies she was causing. But he couldn't risk getting close to her and revealing he's a time traveler, so he had to pretend to be human. Koizumi and Mikuru are his current companions, and Yuki is the TARDIS.
