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* All Jossed. 8 characters, and while there are 11 new Djinn, you can only use them in the tutorial, so there are effectively only the same 72 as TLA.

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* All Jossed. 8 characters, and while there are 11 new Djinn, you can only use them in the tutorial, so there are effectively only the same 72 as TLA.TLA.
** Those eleven new ones sound like a SequelHook.
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** [[spoiler:Matthew is Isaac and Jenna's son. [[{{Understatement}} Mudshippers will NOT be pleased]]. . .]]
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**** Link? Everything I've seen has said "over 70". 72 is over 70, and I haven't encountered anything saying "New Djinn!".

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**** Link? Everything I've seen has said "over 70". 72 is over 70, and I haven't encountered anything saying "New Djinn!".Djinn!".
* All Jossed. 8 characters, and while there are 11 new Djinn, you can only use them in the tutorial, so there are effectively only the same 72 as TLA.
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*** Link? Everything I've seen has said "over 70". 72 is over 70, and I haven't encountered anything saying "New Djinn!".

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*** **** Link? Everything I've seen has said "over 70". 72 is over 70, and I haven't encountered anything saying "New Djinn!".
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*** Says who? [=NoE=] confirms more than the TLA 72.

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*** Says who? [=NoE=] confirms more than the TLA 72.72.
*** Link? Everything I've seen has said "over 70". 72 is over 70, and I haven't encountered anything saying "New Djinn!".

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* Quashed by Camelot. Alex is a seperate character in Dark Dawn.




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* Theory has been quahsed by camelot. Mia is not her mother.


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*** Move is going to be changed to a Venus Psyenergy in Dark Dawn, though it seems like perhaps it's actually unaligned like Force is.



*** Well, the thought of little Ivan being the one to get the first group's token girl is just too funny to pass up. However, I could see mudshippers and valeshippers teaming up to storm Camelot studios in that case.

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*** Well, the thought of little Ivan being the one to get the first group's token girl is just too funny to pass up. However, I could see mudshippers Mudshippers and valeshippers Valeshippers teaming up to storm Camelot studios in that case.



** Nope, definitely not incapacitated. [[spoiler:Isaac and Garet act as {{Guest Star Party Member}}s at the beginning of ''Dark Dawn''.]]



*** Confirmed.



*** Says who? NoE confirms more than the TLA 72.

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*** Says who? NoE [=NoE=] confirms more than the TLA 72.
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* Even if this turns out to be false, the idea that Karis's mother is a Mercury Adept (possibly someone from outside the {{Nakama}}, as posited above) seems extremely plausible. In addition to explaining her odd hair color (by the previously mentioned yellow + blue = green theory), it also has the bonus of explaining how the Jupiter element suddenly has a [[http://goldensun.wikia.com/wiki/Fresh_Breeze_Psynergy_series series of healing psyenergy]]--one which, interestingly enough, is ''exactly'' half as powerful as [[http://goldensun.wikia.com/wiki/Wish_Psynergy_series the Mercury-aligned Wish series]] at the stages that have been revealed thus far.
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This has already been speculated above, but let's analyze it a bit more. Karis has purple eyes, and Ivan is the only other character with that eye color. Karis's hair color is green, a mixture of blue and yellow. Ivan has blonde hair and Mia has blue hair (though you could argue [[YouFailBiologyForever that genetics don't work that way]], but this is a fantasy world where alchemy exists, so...). Karis has a little cape-thingy like Ivan, and she wears mostly white like Mia. Plus, she's a wind adept, so evidence strongly points to her at least being Ivan's daughter. To keep up with new (allegedly truthful) information given to us, this would make her Rief's brother since Ivan has been confirmed to be her father and Mia is Rief's mother.

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This has already been speculated above, but let's analyze it a bit more. Karis has purple eyes, and Ivan is the only other character with that eye color. Karis's hair color is green, a mixture of blue and yellow. Ivan has blonde hair and Mia has blue hair (though you could argue [[YouFailBiologyForever that genetics don't work that way]], but this is a fantasy world where alchemy exists, so...). Karis has a little cape-thingy like Ivan, and she wears mostly white like Mia. Plus, she's a wind adept, so evidence strongly points to her at least being Ivan's daughter. To keep up with new (allegedly truthful) information given to us, this would make her Rief's brother sister since Ivan has been confirmed to be her father and Mia is Rief's mother.
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This has already been speculated above, but let's analyze it a bit more. Karis has purple eyes, and Ivan is the only other character with that eye color. Karis's hair color is green, a mixture of blue and yellow. Ivan has blonde hair and Mia has blue hair (though you could argue [[YouFailBiologyForever that genetics don't work that way]], but this is a fantasy world where alchemy exists, so...). Karis has a little cape-thingy like Ivan, and she wears mostly white like Mia. Plus, she's a wind adept, so evidence strongly points to her at least being Ivan's daughter.

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This has already been speculated above, but let's analyze it a bit more. Karis has purple eyes, and Ivan is the only other character with that eye color. Karis's hair color is green, a mixture of blue and yellow. Ivan has blonde hair and Mia has blue hair (though you could argue [[YouFailBiologyForever that genetics don't work that way]], but this is a fantasy world where alchemy exists, so...). Karis has a little cape-thingy like Ivan, and she wears mostly white like Mia. Plus, she's a wind adept, so evidence strongly points to her at least being Ivan's daughter. To keep up with new (allegedly truthful) information given to us, this would make her Rief's brother since Ivan has been confirmed to be her father and Mia is Rief's mother.
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****Which makes sense because I've waltzed into Lemuria thousands of times after Piers' "banishment" and Conservato had not a damn thing to say about it.
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** One of the videos shows a masked man with long blue hair, and on the website under the Tsaparang villains there's a new sillhouette that has very familar hair...
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* Crown is [[Touhou the strongest, and also a genius]]. Look at him/her, s/he's got the hair, the [[AnIcePerson elemental affinity]], and the triangle-patterned clothing...

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* Crown is [[Touhou [[{{Touhou}} the strongest, and also a genius]]. Look at him/her, s/he's got the hair, the [[AnIcePerson elemental affinity]], and the triangle-patterned clothing...
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* Crown is [[Touhou the strongest, and also a genius]]. Look at him/her, s/he's got the hair, the [[AnIcePerson elemental affinity]], and the triangle-patterned clothing...
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** Not enough Djinn.

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** Not enough Djinn.Djinn.
*** Says who? NoE confirms more than the TLA 72.
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* So far there's already been 7 new playable characters revealed and there are two shadowed characters that likely are more, plus OldSaveBonus was one of the most lauded features in TLA that the fandom would probably implode if the old heroes aren't playable.

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* So far there's already been 7 new playable characters revealed and there are two shadowed characters that likely are more, plus OldSaveBonus was one of the most lauded features in TLA that the fandom would probably implode if the old heroes aren't playable.playable.
** Not enough Djinn.
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* For what it's worth, the actual design of the cape is very similar to Jenna's. Which does not invalidate this guess (MissingMom, child lives with parents' friend; alternately, Jenna designs clothing for a living), but is worth noticing.

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* For what it's worth, the actual design of the cape is very similar to Jenna's. Which does not invalidate this guess (MissingMom, child lives with parents' friend; alternately, Jenna designs clothing for a living), but is worth noticing.noticing.

[[WMG: There will be a total of 16 playable characters in Dark Dawn]]
* So far there's already been 7 new playable characters revealed and there are two shadowed characters that likely are more, plus OldSaveBonus was one of the most lauded features in TLA that the fandom would probably implode if the old heroes aren't playable.
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** [[LukeIAmYourFather Could be Alex's child! That'd make for a fun twist.]]

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*** It's not a dress, it's a robe.

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*** It's not a dress, [[TheEmperorsNewGroove it's a robe.
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*** So which takes precedence?

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*** So which takes precedence?precedence?
* For what it's worth, the actual design of the cape is very similar to Jenna's. Which does not invalidate this guess (MissingMom, child lives with parents' friend; alternately, Jenna designs clothing for a living), but is worth noticing.
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*** Rather Crown is an OrderOfTheStick [[AmbiguousGender Elf]].
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*** It's not a dress, it's a robe.
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** That is a flat chested girl. Crown is clearly wearing a dress.
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** Crown is a [[http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/golden_sun_dark_dawn_scan_jump.jpg guy]].
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** [[http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/golden_sun_dark_dawn_scan_jump.jpg Crown]] looks very much like a male version of Mia, so he may be her son and successor.
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***** yea but if they choose some sort of widely known ship then they only have to face one "faction" of opposition that may be somewhat shielded by the supporters of the ship they chose
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** Yes, but she has green eyes in the official artwork.

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** Yes, but she has green eyes in the official artwork.artwork.
*** So which takes precedence?
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* Sheba had purple eyes in the games themselves.

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* Sheba had purple eyes in the games themselves.themselves.
** Yes, but she has green eyes in the official artwork.
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This has already been speculated above, but let's analyze it a bit more. Karis has purple eyes, and Ivan is the only other character with that eye color. Karis's hair color is green, a mixture of blue and yellow. Ivan has blonde hair and Mia has blue hair (though you could argue [[YouFailBiologyForever that genetics don't work that way]], but this is a fantasy world where alchemy exists, so...). Karis has a little cape-thingy like Ivan, and she wears mostly white like Mia. Plus, she's a wind adept, so evidence strongly points to her at least being Ivan's daughter.

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This has already been speculated above, but let's analyze it a bit more. Karis has purple eyes, and Ivan is the only other character with that eye color. Karis's hair color is green, a mixture of blue and yellow. Ivan has blonde hair and Mia has blue hair (though you could argue [[YouFailBiologyForever that genetics don't work that way]], but this is a fantasy world where alchemy exists, so...). Karis has a little cape-thingy like Ivan, and she wears mostly white like Mia. Plus, she's a wind adept, so evidence strongly points to her at least being Ivan's daughter.daughter.
* Sheba had purple eyes in the games themselves.
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* Jossed, Crown's [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRZiA2CbIwQ a chick with a bowl cut]].

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* Jossed, Crown's [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRZiA2CbIwQ a chick with a bowl cut]].cut]].

[[WMG: Karis is the daughter of Ivan and Mia]]
This has already been speculated above, but let's analyze it a bit more. Karis has purple eyes, and Ivan is the only other character with that eye color. Karis's hair color is green, a mixture of blue and yellow. Ivan has blonde hair and Mia has blue hair (though you could argue [[YouFailBiologyForever that genetics don't work that way]], but this is a fantasy world where alchemy exists, so...). Karis has a little cape-thingy like Ivan, and she wears mostly white like Mia. Plus, she's a wind adept, so evidence strongly points to her at least being Ivan's daughter.
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...really Alex. First off, "Crown" sounds like an alias, and the only Adept the party needs to be complete is a Mercury one. So whether it be ObfuscatingStupidity, LaserGuidedAmnesia, or something else entirely, I'm willing to bet that that's who he'll turn out to be.

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...really Alex. First off, "Crown" sounds like an alias, and the only Adept the party needs to be complete is a Mercury one. So whether it be ObfuscatingStupidity, LaserGuidedAmnesia, or something else entirely, I'm willing to bet that that's who he'll turn out to be.be.
* Jossed, Crown's [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRZiA2CbIwQ a chick with a bowl cut]].

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