Follow TV Tropes

Following

History WMG / GeniustheTransgression

Go To

OR

Added: 2790

Removed: 152

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Mainly to add a new WMG, but also to correct the placement of another crossover WMG that ended up in the non-crossover section.



[[WMG: [[VideoGame/UndertaleYellow Chujin Ketsukane]] was a Genius]]
Considering his ambition to develop a robotic army to defend the monsters when they reach the surface with the Axis series, [[spoiler:or a serum for turning any monster into a boss monster,]] alongside how terribly they backfired when others attempted to utilize them; it might be possible that Chujin was a Genius without any support nor assistance with such a condition, thanks to being locked Underground and likely being the only Genius there. Whether this fixation on advancing the monsters combative capabilities was catalyzed from [[spoiler:Kanako being attacked by Integrity]] (rendering him a Furcht) or was just a general desire only intensified to the point of catalyzation from his employment in the Steamworks (making him a Hoffnung); either way, he attempted to change the world with his miraculous developments, only for them to fall apart from havoc.

It seems like that he was far more experienced with engineering and mechanics, likely rendering him as being focused on Automata and Katastrofi (as Axis appears to be his best invention, and the wide variety of robots seen throughout the Steamworks [which are not to be confused as being Wonders, it simply means that he was exposed to other robotic creations to help inspire and further develop his knowledge of Automata]). [[spoiler: And after being fired from the Steamworks, he attempted to delve into Elelixi for the Serum... Only for it to fail thanks to his inexperience and a dramatic failure at a biological upgrade.]]

[[spoiler:Thanks to his nature as a Genius, his presence around Ceroba and especially her viewing his tapes ended up nearly rendering her as a Beholden and amplifying her need to continue his legacy. Though thanks to her Boss Monster physiology and support from friends, she was able to avoid being completely made into one.]]

The main reason why Axis didn't mutate drastically after the Steamworks were shut down, and why havoc hadn't caused more issues, is because of the advanced technology shown throughout the Underground (such as Mettaton's mechanical body, the CORE, and again, the other robots of the Steamworks) and the various forms of magic within Undertale's setting (such as the Monster's Magic and the abilities demonstrated by the Human Souls) managing to somewhat mitigate havoc by keeping the gap between the possible and impossible from being as wide as in Chronicles of Darkness.

If he had survived, he would have likely become Illuminated thanks to the lack of support and understanding of Geniuses in the Underground, becoming a greater danger to his family.

[[WMG: [[WesternAnimation/InsideJob2021 Rand and Raegan Ridley]] are Geniuses]]
Rand is a low Obligation Neid while Raegan is a high Obligation Hoffnung.



[[WMG: [[WesternAnimation/InsideJob2021 Rand and Raegan Ridley]] are Geniuses]]

Rand is a low Obligation Neid while Raegan is a high Obligation Hoffnung.

Added: 1380

Changed: 2596

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


Rather, Beholden are the descendants of Beasts that preyed on Genii and found that Mania - which is a kind of psychic energy (specifically, produced by all intellectual activities), just like the fears the Begotten feast on - was a good, if not better - substitute for Nightmares. Over time, they lost their powers, as they were no longer needed - similar to many parasites that have lost abilities vital for free-living organisms - and entered into a symbiotic relationship with the Inspired.

to:

Rather, Beholden are the descendants of Beasts that preyed on Genii and found that Mania - which is a kind of psychic energy (specifically, produced by all intellectual activities), just like the fears the Begotten feast on - was a good, if not better - substitute for Nightmares. Over time, they lost their powers, as they were no longer needed - similar to many parasites that have lost abilities vital for free-living organisms - and entered into a symbiotic relationship with the Inspired.
Inspired. Occasionally, such Beasts can collect enough Mania to transform themselves and Catalyze fully.



Beasts consider the Inspired to be one of the Dark Mother's younger children. While Genii who are still in denial about magic tend to see them as delusional. However, if that delusion is corrected a Genius can make a powerful ally for a Beast. However most Beasts try to push their Genius allies towards Illumination, seeing the Peerage's "Obligations" as holding back their true selves. Geniuses generally react badly to this, because for the most part they see their brilliance as something alien to them, and Illuminated are beings to be pitied, hunted down, and [[MercyKill killed]], which tends to be a problem for any alliances. Any Beast who actually ''succeeds'' in Illuminating a Genius (or more than one) is in trouble- for one thing, if they're connected to it the Peerage and independent societies like the Elders of the Third Law will come down on their heads, and for another, ''EvilIsNotAToy'': Illuminated are too alien to be reasoned with, and just as likely to use their allies in their most recent perversion of science as anyone else.

to:


Their relationship tends to be both figuratively and ''literally'' volatile. Genii tend to see
Beasts as especially freaky manes, which gets on Beasts' nerves like nothing else, while Beasts are split onto whether they're a sort of 'younger sibling' Beast representing the fear of the unknown, or an extremely bizarre hero variant due to their delusions. A Beast and Inspired who manage to overcome their differences and work together can become an incredibly powerful duo, but this is rare.

Said rarity happens to be largely the fault of the Beasts, who often
consider Obligation as something holding the Inspired to be one of the Dark Mother's younger children. While Genii who are still in denial about magic tend to see them as delusional. However, if that delusion is corrected a Genius can make a powerful ally for a Beast. However most Beasts try to push their Genius allies towards Illumination, seeing the Peerage's "Obligations" as holding back from their true selves. Geniuses generally react badly power and will occasionally try to this, because for turn their Inspired friends Unmada or Illuminated. The Inspired, on the most part they other hand, who often see their brilliance as something alien to them, them and universally see the Illuminated as beings to be feared, pitied, and [[MercyKill killed as a favor to their former selves and everyone around them]], see this in a way akin to someone [[TamperingWithFoodAndDrink slipping heroin into a friend's food]] because said friend is 'too uptight', and will at very least lead to the Genius cutting off the Beast... and more often, leads to fights that easily result in murder and various parties winding up as [[PoweredByAForsakenChild Larvae]]. And that's if the Beast is lucky enough to fail; if they're ''unlucky'', [[GoneHorriblyRight they succeed]] and learn that EvilIsNotAToy and that the Illuminated are beings to be pitied, hunted down, and [[MercyKill killed]], which tends to be a problem for any alliances. Any Beast who actually ''succeeds'' in Illuminating a Genius (or more than one) is in trouble- for one thing, if they're connected to it the Peerage and independent societies like the Elders of the Third Law will come down on their heads, and for another, ''EvilIsNotAToy'': Illuminated are too completely alien even to be reasoned with, and just as likely to use their allies in their most recent perversion of science as anyone else.
Beasts.



It's not uncommon for a Hero to mistakenly believe that a Genius created the Beast who brought them into being, especially if the Genius has a horde of biological automata already. And even if the Hero doesn't think a Genius is creating Beasts the mad scientist is usually a villain isn't he? Though on some occasions a Genius has tried to make himself useful to a Hero by building him Wondrous weapons, until they wreak Havoc of course.

to:

It's not uncommon for a Heroes to target Geniuses by mistake, either by thinking biological wonders are themselves beasts or just painting all supernaturals with the same brush. This tends to go poorly for the heroes, since Wonders tend to function better against Heroes than Heroes' powers tend to work against non-Begotten. It's also possible for a Hero to mistakenly believe that and a Genius created to team up with the Beast who brought them into being, genius creating Katastrofic weapon against Beasts, especially if the said Beast and Genius has have a horde of biological automata already. And even if pre-existing beef with each other. Lower-Obligation Inspired and Unmada also occasionally directly provoke heroes to violence by being crazy bastards, in which case the Hero doesn't think usually comes at them better-prepared.

If
a Genius is creating Beasts the mad scientist is usually knows that Heroes are a villain isn't he? Though on some occasions a Genius has tried to make himself useful to thing and not just Hunters, Slashers, or just obsessive and violent humans, they often consider them 'semi-beholden' who mindlessly oppose their master instead of following them. In any case, a Hero by building him Wondrous weapons, until cannot become a Beholden (though a Beholden can become a Hero if they wreak Havoc can break out of course.
their condition in the process), nor do they ever Catalyze.



Assured that their failings are caused by the perverted state of modern society and their archenemies - [[NeverMyFault and most certainly not by themselves]] - Heroes amd Clockstoppers get along comparatively well. When both team up, it is usually against a Genius, since the Voids are ineffective against Begotten magic (although they might be useful when going against a Beast with a particularly tech-savy Life).

to:

Assured that their failings are caused by the perverted state of modern society and their archenemies - [[NeverMyFault and most certainly not by themselves]] - Heroes amd Clockstoppers get along comparatively well. When both team up, it is usually against a Genius, since the Voids are ineffective against Begotten magic (although they might be useful when going against a magic- though any Beast with a particularly tech-savy Life).
that attempts to live in modern society will be somewhat vulnerable to Purify the Wounded Earth.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

** Both of the previous two theories are correct. Infrastructure and Wonders are based on the same principle of ClarkesThirdLaw applied to a world where magic really does exist, and the only real difference between the God-Machine and the Inspired is that the God-Machine also has dots in Pankosmoi. One did not necessarily create the other, but it's the same principle nonetheless.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Updating Links


[[WMG:Franchise/{{Batman}} is a Genius]]

to:

[[WMG:Franchise/{{Batman}} [[WMG:ComicBook/{{Batman}} is a Genius]]



* Franchise/{{Batman}}.
* Franchise/SpiderMan (even if the Mages tried to claim him as one of theirs at one point).

to:

* Franchise/{{Batman}}.
ComicBook/{{Batman}}.
* Franchise/SpiderMan ComicBook/SpiderMan (even if the Mages tried to claim him as one of theirs at one point).



** Scarecrow
** [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] Mirror Master

to:

** Scarecrow
[[ComicBook/{{Batman}} Scarecrow]]
** [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] [[ComicBook/TheFlash Mirror MasterMaster]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* [[WesternAnimation/DespicableMe Gru (and/or possibly Dr Nefario) and Vector.]]

to:

* [[WesternAnimation/DespicableMe [[Franchise/DespicableMe Gru (and/or possibly Dr Nefario) and Vector.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


[[WMG:[[{{Transformers}} Wheeljack]] is a Genius]]

to:

[[WMG:[[{{Transformers}} [[WMG:[[Franchise/{{Transformers}} Wheeljack]] is a Genius]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


[[WMG: Pankosmoi was known in the distant past -- and allowed Atlantean magic to function]]

The original Mages were Genii, all unmada, who unlocked the Axiom of Inspiration. This allowed them to buck the Anti-Clark Corollary, interact directly with thought and ideas, and change the way their own Inspiration functioned, including somehow eliminating Havoc. As a result, most people came to believe in the metaphysical theories put forth by these proto-Mages -- until ''something'' happened that shattered everyone's belief. The result was the mother of all Maniac Storms, producing the Supernal Realms and the Abyss as bardos. Modern Mages are Genii who tap into Pankosmoi during their Breakthrough, allowing them to utilize modified Inspiration.
*This is why the Supernal Realms kinda-sorta resemble other worlds in other splats; the proto-Mages discovered those other worlds and tried to work them into their cosmology, so Supernal!Arcadia, for instance, is a reflection of what Atlanteans ''thought'' the real (Changeling) Arcadia was like.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Irrelevant


[[MasterComputer Friend Computer]] is a Automata wonder, and the High Programmers and R&D are Genii. [[{{PC}} Trouble]][[{{Redshirt}} shooters]], on the other hand, in spite of all mutations and cloning, still count as mere mortals, leading to the [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption inevitable]] [[GoneHorriblyWrong Havoc]].

to:

[[MasterComputer Friend Computer]] is a Automata wonder, and the High Programmers and R&D are Genii. [[{{PC}} Trouble]][[{{Redshirt}} shooters]], Troubleshooters, on the other hand, in spite of all mutations and cloning, still count as mere mortals, leading to the [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption inevitable]] [[GoneHorriblyWrong Havoc]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


[[WMG:LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya is a Staunen Unmada.]]

to:

[[WMG:LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya [[WMG:Literature/HaruhiSuzumiya is a Staunen Unmada.]]



* [[LightNovel/LogHorizon Elder Tale]] - But not it's not its own Bardo, but a subsection of [[InsideAComputerSystem The Grid]].

to:

* [[LightNovel/LogHorizon [[Literature/LogHorizon Elder Tale]] - But not it's not its own Bardo, but a subsection of [[InsideAComputerSystem The Grid]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


[[WMG: [[WesternAnimation/InsideJob2021 Rand and Raegan Ridley]] are Geniuses]]

Rand is a low Obligation Neid while Raegan is a high Obligation Hoffnung.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Critical Research Failure is a disambiguation page


[[WMG: The reason for all the ''[[CriticalResearchFailure horribly, horribly inaccurate]]'' entries in the [[Franchise/{{Pokemon}} Pokedex]] is very simple:]]

to:

[[WMG: The reason for all the ''[[CriticalResearchFailure horribly, ''horribly, horribly inaccurate]]'' inaccurate'' entries in the [[Franchise/{{Pokemon}} Pokedex]] is very simple:]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


[[WMG: Demons and Genii]]

The reason why both Inspired and Demons can base themselves in Seattle and seemingly never notice each other is fairly simple (aside from the Demon line being created after the Genius book): they keep mistaking signs of the other faction's activity for being their own. For example, one defining feature of demons is that they're perfect liars- something that's also a signature trait of the Phenomenologists, just for completely different reasons (a demon has perfect control of their tells, while a phenomenologist fervently believes that they're telling the truth no matter what). A Genius who winds up in a splinter timeline and a Demon that falls into a Bardo are probably both going to assume it's the thing they're used to. Wonders are also easily assumed to be Infrastructure (and might actually ''be'' a form of Infrastructure, if some of the guesses about Inspiration above are correct), and if a Genius even notices Infrastructure, they'll probably examine it as they would a Wonder.

Added: 236

Changed: 805

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* The stuff Wonka told the kids about paying the Oompa-Loompas in cacao beans is a cover story. They actually moved to his factory because it's a kind of "pocket bardo" where they can live and be well supplied with Mania while still being safe from the more dangerous Loompaland manes.
* Charlie is a pre-Breakthrough Genius. None of the other kids are, though, so their messing around inside the factory triggered Havoc and caused the various disasters that picked them off. This was the point of the Golden Ticket chase.




to:

* Or conversely, the Machines are a single giant mane (or possibly a whole race of manes). The "energy" they harvest from the humans of the Matrix is not conventional physical energy (which could be generated more efficiently in any number of ways) but Mania (which can only be generated by active sapient minds). Being in the dreamworld, the humans cannot interact with the machines to trigger Havoc. All redpills are low-level Geniuses (which is what lets them break out), and most of both sides' tech is Wonder-based.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Wiki/ namespace clean up.


[[WMG: Wiki/SCPFoundation operates in a game of Genius, and by extension, takes place in the TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness. ]]

to:

[[WMG: Wiki/SCPFoundation Website/SCPFoundation operates in a game of Genius, and by extension, takes place in the TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness. ]]



* Wiki/TVTropes - [[TomatoInTheMirror and we're all either Geniuses or Beholden.]] [[DarthWiki/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife Ever wonder why TV Tropes ruins lives? It's the power of Inspiration.]]

to:

* Wiki/TVTropes Website/TVTropes - [[TomatoInTheMirror and we're all either Geniuses or Beholden.]] [[DarthWiki/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife Ever wonder why TV Tropes ruins lives? It's the power of Inspiration.]]



...It went into the creation of Wiki/TVTropes as a means of rapidly producing Geniuses. [=TVTropes=] only [[JustForFun/TVTropesWillRuinYourVocabulary ruins your vocabulary]] due to Jabir.

to:

...It went into the creation of Wiki/TVTropes Website/TVTropes as a means of rapidly producing Geniuses. [=TVTropes=] only [[JustForFun/TVTropesWillRuinYourVocabulary ruins your vocabulary]] due to Jabir.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


His Wonder? [[UsefulNotes/SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn The USSR]]. And Marxist-Leninist theory was based on Epikrato. That's why it all worked despite being so unrealistic. All Communists were Beholden, so only they and no other party were allowed to tamper with the power structure. After Gorbachev's openness, its workings were exposed for everyone to see, and cue [[TheGreatPoliticsMessUp Havoc]].

to:

His Wonder? [[UsefulNotes/SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn The USSR]]. And Marxist-Leninist theory was based on Epikrato. That's why it all worked despite being so unrealistic. All Communists were Beholden, so only they and no other party were allowed to tamper with the power structure. After Gorbachev's openness, its workings were exposed for everyone to see, and cue [[TheGreatPoliticsMessUp Havoc]].
Havoc.

Changed: 11

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* [[LogHorizon Elder Tale]] - But not it's not its own Bardo, but a subsection of [[InsideAComputerSystem The Grid]].

to:

* [[LogHorizon [[LightNovel/LogHorizon Elder Tale]] - But not it's not its own Bardo, but a subsection of [[InsideAComputerSystem The Grid]].

Top