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11th May '16 8:05:56 PM Piando
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* Wrong. They'll both just [[NeonGenesisEvangelion hug and turn into tang]].

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* Wrong. They'll both just [[NeonGenesisEvangelion [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion hug and turn into tang]].
6th Feb '16 8:25:08 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: Frasier has been in an asylum since his suicide attempt on {{Cheers}}]]
This is why his {{Cheers}} friends rarely show up -- they aren't allowed to. Lilith shows up every once in a while for pity sex. His dad, like he said on {{Cheers}}, is dead; the one we see is just an invention to help make his life bearable. His radio show is really his giving advice to other inmates. His brother is, maybe, a manifestation of who he wishes to be -- younger, slimmer, smarter, lucky ...but Maris is an indication of 'reality'. We never see her because she doesn't exist. She's a crack in the system.

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[[WMG: Frasier has been in an asylum since his suicide attempt on {{Cheers}}]]
''Series/{{Cheers}}'']]
This is why his {{Cheers}} ''Series/{{Cheers}}'' friends rarely show up -- they aren't allowed to. Lilith shows up every once in a while for pity sex. His dad, like he said on {{Cheers}}, ''Series/{{Cheers}}'', is dead; the one we see is just an invention to help make his life bearable. His radio show is really his giving advice to other inmates. His brother is, maybe, a manifestation of who he wishes to be -- younger, slimmer, smarter, lucky ...but Maris is an indication of 'reality'. We never see her because she doesn't exist. She's a crack in the system.



In one of the episodes of {{Cheers}}, there is a distant flash forward to when Frasier dies, and Lilith is mentioned as his wife. That's it, but that's sufficient. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGPZUYz_mUE Here's the clip]].

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In one of the episodes of {{Cheers}}, ''Series/{{Cheers}}'', there is a distant flash forward to when Frasier dies, and Lilith is mentioned as his wife. That's it, but that's sufficient. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGPZUYz_mUE Here's the clip]].
1st Nov '15 1:44:30 AM Artificius
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* One of the easiest ways out of awkward questions is a partial truth if you're socially adept enough. Maybe he really ''was'' gay the entire time he was with Hester, but that doesn't preclude confusion, alcoholic libido, or the often fluid nature of sexuality. In any case, he wouldn't be the first (almost) exclusively gay man to father children the old-fashioned way.
1st Nov '15 1:22:17 AM Artificius
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*** His being gay isn't mutually exclusive with him possibly being Frasier's and Nile's biological father. He may well have been perceptive enough to tell Martin (and the audience) exactly the portion of truth to hear right then, not the additional hypothetical stuff where he was struggling with his sexuality throughout their long association and even when he succumbed to Martin's wife out of loneliness or lust on multiple occasions. He might even have left for Paris partly to get away from her because ''she'' was the one confusing him.
19th Oct '15 10:21:42 AM xIrelandx
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* She does get irrationally angry at her friend who shows interest in Niles. It seems like she's just being sympathetic to Niles, especially knowing how her friend tends to behave. Later on, it sounds more like SuspiciouslySpecificDenial given that she dates an ''exact close'' of Niles.
10th Oct '15 12:39:02 PM CaptEquinox
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* Wrong. They'll both just hug and turn into tang.

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* Wrong. They'll both just [[NeonGenesisEvangelion hug and turn into tang.
tang]].
* She gives Frasier a huge rant about his spending money while he's out of work in "Roz, a Loan" and again in the sequence in "Crock Tales" that's supposed to take place at that same time. Her shouting matches with Martin and with her mother also count as does her reaction to the events in "Dark Side of the Moon". So she doesn't entirely repress her feelings.
30th Aug '15 3:51:52 AM CaptEquinox
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** Or so he ''thinks''. It could be like ''GalaxyQuest''. Stop for a second, Noel. it's all real. Noel: Oh my God, I knew it! I knew it!! I knew it!!!
30th Aug '15 3:42:51 AM CaptEquinox
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** There's an actual episode of the series that explores this very possibility. An old colleague of Hester's comes to visit, and immediately displays many of the same mannerisms as Frasier and Niles. Martin begins to wonder if this man might really be Frasier and Niles' father, until he reveals to Martin that he is actually gay. The character was portrayed by David Ogden Stiers, who also played Winchester on M*A*S*H. Apparently the preceding troper was not the only person to notice the similarities between the characters--the writers did too.

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** There's an actual episode of the series that explores this very possibility. An old colleague of Hester's comes to visit, and immediately displays many of the same mannerisms as Frasier and Niles. Martin begins to wonder if this man might really be Frasier and Niles' father, until he reveals to Martin that he is actually gay. The character was portrayed by David Ogden Stiers, who also played Winchester on M*A*S*H. Apparently the preceding troper was not the only person to notice the similarities between the characters--the writers did too.
too. See below for remarks on Leland Barton.



[[WMG: Leland, in the episode "Fathers And Sons," was lying about being gay and is their biological father]]

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[[WMG: Leland, Leland Barton, in the episode "Fathers And Sons," was lying about being gay and is their biological father]]
19th Feb '15 4:44:23 PM yunatwilight
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** There's an actual episode of the series that explores this very possibility. An old colleague of Hester's comes to visit, and immediately displays many of the same mannerisms as Frasier and Niles. Martin begins to wonder if this man might really be Frasier and Nile's father, until he reveals to Martin that he is actually gay. The character was portrayed by David Ogden Stiers, who also played Winchester on M*A*S*H. Apparently the preceding troper was not the only person to notice the similarities between the characters--the writers did too.

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** There's an actual episode of the series that explores this very possibility. An old colleague of Hester's comes to visit, and immediately displays many of the same mannerisms as Frasier and Niles. Martin begins to wonder if this man might really be Frasier and Nile's Niles' father, until he reveals to Martin that he is actually gay. The character was portrayed by David Ogden Stiers, who also played Winchester on M*A*S*H. Apparently the preceding troper was not the only person to notice the similarities between the characters--the writers did too.
5th Feb '15 2:29:00 PM MrShotgun
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**There's an actual episode of the series that explores this very possibility. An old colleague of Hester's comes to visit, and immediately displays many of the same mannerisms as Frasier and Niles. Martin begins to wonder if this man might really be Frasier and Nile's father, until he reveals to Martin that he is actually gay. The character was portrayed by David Ogden Stiers, who also played Winchester on M*A*S*H. Apparently the preceding troper was not the only person to notice the similarities between the characters--the writers did too.
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