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Diadora is Lain; in the manga, she wanted to have a life like historical princess, but EVERYTHING went wrong for her as always. The Dark Dragon god Loptyr, knowing this, came back in her son, and, wanting her power (Omnipotence), attempted to kill her and steal her power, but she rewrote reality, granting to Julia the sacred Naga blood, and erasing herself from the ''FE'' series. (This doesn't go well. The reason? ''Fire Emblem: Awakening''.)

It can be fairly assumed that Holy Blood does not fade over many generations, given that the Loptyr Blood link lasted so long...

The actions of the Loptyr Empire would be the Roman Empire, based on the fact that it conquered Jugdral. After the empire was broken, the various territories rearranged themselves in different manners. Groups of independent territories bunched together, forming countries (Manster, Granvalle, etc.) Some territories remained independent (Verdane, Sileisa). The territories you see in the game are small, because the territories in real life were relatively small compared to today's countries. Arvis's plans to conquer Jugdral and form one nation state could be seen as Charlemagne forming his country (Was it France, Germany, or both?). Same with [[spoiler: Leif forming the Kingdom of New Thracia, or in the endings where Granvale ends up annexing other countries.]] Nation building began in this game.

* A WhatIf bonus scenario/split path in a similar vein of [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Birthright and Conquest]]. After finishing the game once, there will be a bonus path available whereas following that path creates a new continuity: The Battle of Belhalla is prevented and Sigurd lives. The first generation then takes on the battle with Loptyr, whereas the second generation characters are obtainable via paralogues as with Awakening and Fates.

Judging by the fact that [[spoiler: only Forseti returned to Jugdral]], the dragons weren't expecting Loptyr to make a comeback. The war with the Loptyr Empire wasn't as long ago as with other FE games; it was barely over a century ago. That's only about four or five generations back. And unless it was a glitch, there are already nobles who were confirmed to be descendants of the Crusaders who don't have Holy Blood. Holy Blood is already starting to fade. This is why anyone can use the Crusader Weapons in Awakening.

[[WMG:Hilda used to be a normal woman in the beginning, but secretly became a member of Loptyr Sect one day]]
Yes, what we have seen at the moment is the very picture of a CompleteMonster, a soulless devil. But... that's just straight up impossible, when even Manfroy has the excuse of persecution. My guess is that Hilda was actually born normal after all. But then, the Loptyr Sect got their claws on her firsthand and pretty much convinced her to sell her soul to Loptyr and becoming its member while maintaining the royal presence. Why is this? A lot of Hilda's actions seems to be in line to what Loptyr Sect members are doing than any other nobles, so I tend to think that she used to be normal, if a bit power-hungry, but then gets tempted to join the sect and then worsening her personality.

[[WMG: Alternately, Brammimond was an [[PlayerCharacter Avatar-like character]], same as Mark, [[VideoGame/FireEmblemArchanea Kris]], and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Robin]]. ]]

Every continent has their own version of the Fire Emblem. [[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe Elibe's is Bern's Sacred Treasure]], [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones Magvel's is Grado's Sacred Stone]], [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Tellius' is Lehran's Medallion]],and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemArchanea Archanea's is the Shield of Seals]], yet [[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Jugdral's]] is conspicuously missing, aside from a throwaway line ''IF'' Azel is paired with certain characters. (For that matter, so is Valentia's). This is because Jugdral (and Valentia) take place in the same world as Archanea, where the Fire Emblem already exists.

* Or ItWasNotHisSled kicks in. No one dies, characters change places depending on who married who, Ayra inherited Odo Major Holy Blood, Ethlyn has Baldur Major, Julius joins with Naga blood instead of Julia, etc.

* Story elements from Thracia 776 are added, like Fergus is mentioned by Beowulf or something, Aideen travels Seliph can co in gen 2 and finds out about her sister etc.

Ever since the franchise's rebirth, the number of factions involved with the game increased with each installment (remakes notwithstanding). ''Awakening'' only had one faction--the Shepherds. ''Fates'' had two--Hoshido and Nohr. And ''Three Houses'' had three of them--the Black Eagles, Blue Lions, and Golden Deer. It would make sense for the next mainline ''Fire Emblem'' game to increase your choices again if they plan on continuing like this.

And it will be announced next year for the 20th anniversary.
* Please let this be true.

In other words, every possible death and pairing is canon. This also means that every version of the Avatar is canon and every alternate story explored within the games is canon. Reasoning? If I recall correctly, StreetPass teams are referred to as visitors from the Outrealms. This is probably meant to be taken literally. In other words, [[WMG/PoisonOakEpilepticTrees everyone]] [[InvertedTrope wins]]!

Confirmed in ''Path of Radiance'' and ''Radiant Dawn'', the Laguz and Beorc evolved from scaly creatures into things which [[GeneticEngineering looked a lot more like their]] [[VainSorceress "goddess."]] Why stop there? Who is to say we are looking at are humans in any of these games? 1: no game is on Earth, 2: strange phenotypes are always common, and 3: silver hurts them more than iron and steel. Silver is not particularly dangerous to humans as far as metals go, but many monsters hate silver.

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* Miitama. Her kid would be extremely energetic (possibly even a MotorMouth), speaking in limericks half the time.

In other words, every possible death and pairing is canon. This also means that every version of the Avatar is canon and every alternate story explored within the games is canon. Reasoning? If I recall correctly, StreetPass teams are referred to as visitors from the Outrealms. This is probably meant to be taken literally. In other words, [[PoisonOakEpilepticTrees everyone]] [[InvertedTrope wins]]!

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** Even though the title of the thread is literally, "Unconfirmed FE4 tidbits"...

Kris is rather similar to Ike (though more so to [=FE9=] Ike), and we never see Mark's face. Soren and Ike left Tellius, got split up, and now Ike is helping people out because that's just how he is, while Soren is partly trying to make himself a rep so he can get better answers from nobles and the like about Ike's whereabouts, partly repaying Lyn for saving his life. Would also explain why the Tactician/Mark doesn't do any more tactics after becoming known. As for the supposed sinking/flooding Yune/Ashunera caused, I think it's more likely it simply raised water levels around Tellius (since Ike seems to head for other continents at the end). This theory would put Tellius and Elibe in the same universe as Archaneia, Jugdral, and Valencia. And I kind of already believe Magvel and Elibe to be part of the same universe.

[[WMG:Anna is a TimeLord, and Jake is her companion.]]

Jahn's explanation to Roy (and before that, presumably Zephiel) has one glaring flaw: it relies on the idea that dragons don't possess all those silly emotions humans do. Even neglecting Ninian, Nils, and Sophia because they are only half-dragon (though Ninian and Nils grew up beyond the gate and would have learned the dragons' social norms...), it only takes about five seconds looking in Fa's general direction to see that this is obviously bullshit. Thus, Zephiel's justification for war and both the trustworthiness of Jahn's words and his motivations are called into question. But why would Jahn tell this to Zephiel, who was in a position to believe him as he had only met Idoun, and Roy, who really should have seen enough of Fa by then to know better?

It's pretty much confirmed at this point that Archaneia is the distant future of Jugdral. The two weapons resemble one another, so it's entirely possible that the two weapons are one and the same, but with different lore attached to it.
* The Falchion was made from one of Narga's fanged teeth. Dragons have more than one tooth. Maybe they're sibling weapons.
* New information from support conversations between Tiki and the Avatar in ''Awakening'' seems to imply that Marth and Sigurd are related. Perhaps at some point, one of Seliph's descendants traveled from Jugdral to Archaneia. As the dragon Holsety is both a staunch supporter of humanity and, in all probability, an Ice Dragon, it's not inconceivable that the Tyrfing was dropped off at the Ice Dragon Temple for a while before it was reforged from one of Naga's teeth.

[[WMG:Briggid was resurrected by her Holy Weapon after the Battle of Bahara, the same way Levin was.]]

* Except that Holsety pretty much part of himself in the tome bearing his name. We don't know if the same is true of the Yewfelle[=/=]Ichival.

While there is a similar theory already here, mine is more specifically about the continents themselves rather than the time. Wondering about things like planet size (because when you have multiple continents the size of Asia, it takes a larger planet than Earth to keep them from touching), would be somewhat of a handwave, but almost required in this theory; however, I digress. You COULD narrow it down to three continents, Archaneia being the same as Jugdral (though I will leave that debate in of itself open for discussion -- who knows why WordOfGod would say that Jugdral took place thousands of years earlier?); leaving us with both Magvel and Elibe as the other two continents. While one must wonder why it takes the whole "Other World" concept of ''Awakening'' to reach characters from the other series, I think it has more to do with the major time differentials over anything else.

Diadora is Lain; in the manga, she wanted to have a life like historical princess, but EVERYTHING went wrong for her as always. The Dark Dragon god Loptous, knowing this, came back in her son, and, wanting her power (Omnipotence), attempted to kill her and steal her power, but she rewrote reality, granting to Yuria the sacred Naga blood, and erasing herself from the ''FE'' series. (This doesn't go well. The reason? ''Fire Emblem: Awakening''.)

In ''Shadow Dragon'', the only way to recruit Norne, Athena, Horace, Hetzel, and Ymir is to allow massive numbers of your own units to get killed. However, in ''New Mystery'', all of the characters from Shadow Dragon are alive and well, and recognize Marth, including the ones whose recruitment depended on everyone else being dead. Therefore, the only way this could have happened is if Marth made it all the way to the endgame of ''Shadow Dragon'', then had Elice use the Aum Staff to resurrect everyone who he had sent to their deaths so he could unlock the side-chapters. Where did he get all of those Aum Staffs? Simple: VideoGame/GameShark.

Every continent has their own version of the Fire Emblem. [[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe Elibe's is Bern's Sacred Treasure]], [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones Magvel's is Grado's Sacred Stone]], [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Tellius' is Lehran's Medallion]],and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia Akaneia's is the Shield of Seals]], yet [[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Jugdral's]] is conspicuously missing, aside from a throwaway line ''IF'' Azel is paired with certain characters. (For that matter, so is Valentia's). This is because Jugdral (and Valentia) take place in the same world as Akaneia, where the Fire Emblem already exists.
* Uh, no. It is HEAVILY, HEAVILY implied that all of the Fire Emblem games take place in the same universe, as of Awakening. From the throwaway lines about Fire Emblem history, to Chrom recognizing several heroes that aren't from Akaneia and Jugdral, to all the weapons from different games, that it all takes place on different continents in the same universe. Jugdral's lack of one can easily be chalked up to {{Early Installment Weirdness}}. So, in reality, this is all but {{Jossed}}.
** Of course, Jugdral DOES take place in the past Akaneia. Maybe the Fire Emblem doesn't exist yet?

In Chapter 4 of ''Genealogy'', you fight the princes, Llewyn's uncles. But if you check the Holy Blood chart, they don't have anything on it, minor or major. So they are probably siblings or cousins of the monarch who was not a Forseti descendant.

* There will be additional chapters dealing with what the first generation was doing, how they survived, and how their kids ended up everywhere else. Also to some, their last moments, such as Ferry on the death bed or snippets of Tailto's depressing end life.

In ''Shadow Dragon'', the only way to recruit Norne, Athena, Horace, Hetzel, and Ymir is to allow massive numbers of your own units to get killed. However, in ''New Mystery'', all of the characters from Shadow Dragon are alive and well, and recognize Marth, including the ones whose recruitment depended on everyone else being dead. Therefore, the only way this could have happened is if Marth made it all the way to the endgame of ''Shadow Dragon'', then had Elice use the Aum Staff to resurrect everyone who he had sent to their deaths so he could unlock the side-chapters. Where did he get all of those Aum Staffs? Simple: GameShark.

In Genealogy of the Holy War, it is stated that King Batou is Jamke's father, and Cimbeath and Munnir are his older brothers. But in one of the official artbooks, it is stated that Batou is Jamke's grandfather, and the other two are his uncles. Well, considering what series this is, why not both?

[[WMG:''Binding Blade'' 16x/Tower of Valni 8/''Shadow Dragon'' 24x is a TARDIS]]

[[WMG:Athena is from a royal family in Archaneia.]]

[[WMG: Alternately, Brammimond was an [[PlayerCharacter Avatar-like character]], same as Mark, [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia Kris]], and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Robin]]. ]]

* Rausten is where the Sage's Hamlet used to be; the Black Temple just might be where the optional dungeon, Fear Shrine was.

** The Xenologues show that Chrom learned of tales of Magvelian history, so ''Sacred Stones'' is almost certainly set long before ''Awakening'' (though likely on a different continent, with its chronological placement in relation to Jugdral/Akaneia unknown).

[[WMG:"Chris" is Ike, and Soren is "Mark."]]
Chris is rather similar to Ike (though more so to [=FE9=] Ike), and we never see Mark's face. Soren and Ike left Tellius, got split up, and now Ike is helping people out because that's just how he is, while Soren is partly trying to make himself a rep so he can get better answers from nobles and the like about Ike's whereabouts, partly repaying Lyn for saving his life. Would also explain why the Tactician/Mark doesn't do any more tactics after becoming known. As for the supposed sinking/flooding Yune/Ashunera caused, I think it's more likely it simply raised water levels around Tellius (since Ike seems to head for other continents at the end). This theory would put Tellius and Elibe in the same universe as Archaneia, Jugdral, and Valencia. And I kind of already believe Magvel and Elibe to be part of the same universe.
* Jossed. Chris is... no one in particular in the grand scheme of things, while Mark is either [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Rufure]] or their child who is also called Mark.

[[WMG:''Sword of Seals'' 16x/Tower of Valni 8/''Shadow Dragon'' 24x is a TARDIS]]
# In ''Shadow Dragon'', Nagi, who is apparently the reincarnation/avatar/successor/something of Narga (who is one of the few things to exist in [[NonLinearSequel more than one setting]]), resides in it. (Would this make Narga a time lord?)

* Half-Jossed, half-confirmed. From what we know so far, Krom seems to be the obvious Lord of [=FE13=], but the My Unit system will return, and it's hinted MU will have more connection to the story this time round.

[[WMG:Magvel ([=FE8=]) is Valencia ([=FE2=]), 1800 years later]]
No, really. Alm and Cellica's dynasty lasted for a thousand years, until the Demon King appeared and destroyed the united kingdom. He was stopped by five heroes and a dragon, getting sealed away for 800 years in five magic rocks.

* The old divide between Sofia and Rigel ran just above Fort Rigwald, through the mountains around Renais and probably caused the Hamill Canyon.

* The island to the southeast is the former location of Nova Abbey, where Cellica studied.
* The island in the opposite corner, the northwest, used to be connected to the mainland; Frelia Castle below it seems to be built where the Rigel Castle used to be.
* Rausten is where the Sage Village used to be; the Black Temple just might be where the optional dungeon, Fear Shrine was.
* The large bay between Frelia and Rausten is where Doma Tower used to be; it seems to have just sunken into the sea completely.

* Possibly Jossed by ''Awakening''. Valencia appears as Valm, and it looks very similar to how it did in [=FE2=]. However, there is nothing saying ''Sacred Stones'' doesn't happen after ''Awakening'', although Eirika and Ephraim are most likely not descendants of Alm.

[[WMG:Murdoch is [[HalfHumanHybrid half-dragon]].]]
Take a look at [[http://www.serenesforest.net/general/relation.html this]] page. It shows a comparison between characters' appearances in ''Blazing Sword'' and ''Sword of Seals'', which takes place 20 years later. Notice how Murdoch doesn't seem to have aged at all, while others like Eliwood, Hector, and ''especially'' Zephiel look a ''lot'' older? Now look at the other two characters who don't appear to have aged: Sofiya and Fa. Notice anything? Yep, they're a half-dragon and full blooded dragon, respectively. Though that begs the question: if those two look so young yet are centuries old, [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld just how old is Murdock??]]
* However, older!Murdoch looks slightly taller and has more of a widow's peak than his younger self. It could just be that he aged better than the others, or he was actually [[YoungerThanTheyLook quite young back then and just didn't look it]].

The [[VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Interdimensional Tournament]], the overuse of the [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Dragon]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Gate]]; the summonings in [[VideoGame/CodeNameSteam the world of Steam and Tall Tales.]] [[VideoGame/TokyoMirageSessionsFE The Summoning Ritual of Performa]]. These events affected each other, creating something new and the various magicks have made the Legends of these worlds accessible. Heroes of the history of the Fire Emblem world (s) can be summoned through ritual; as seen in ''FireEmblemHeroes'' and ''FireEmblemWarriors''.

[[WMG: The Fire Emblem multiverse has its own [[Franchise/Nasuverse Throne of Heroes.]]

The [[VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Interdimensional Tournament]], the overuse of the [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Dragon]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Gate]]; the summonings in [[VideoGame/CodeNameSteam the world of Steam and Tall Tales.]] [[VideoGame/TokyoMirageSessionsFE The Summoning Ritual of Performa]]. These events affected each other, creating something new and the various magicks have made the Legends of these worlds accessible. Heroes of the history of the Fire Emblem world (s) can be summoned through ritual; as seen if ''FireEmblemHeroes'' and ''FireEmblemWarriors''.

The [[VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Interdimensional Tournament]], the overuse of the [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Dragon]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFate Gate]]; the summonings in [[VideoGame/ the world of Steam and Tall Tales.]] [[VideoGame/TokyoMirageSessions The Summoning Ritual of Performa]]. These events affected each other, creating something new and the various magicks have made the Legends of these worlds accessible. Heroes of the history of the Fire Emblem world (s) can be summoned through ritual; as seen if ''FireEmblemHeroes'' and ''FireEmblemWarriors''.

Yes, what we have seen at the moment is the very picture of a CompleteMonster, a soulless devil. But... that's just straight up impossible, when even Manfroy has the excuse of persecution. My guess is that Hilda was actually born normal after all. But then, the Loptyr Sect got their claws on her firsthand and pretty much convinced her to sell her soul to Loptyr and becoming its member while maintaining the royal presence. Why is this? A lot of Hilda's actions seems to be in line to what Loptyr Sect members are doing than any other nobles, so I tend to think that she used to be normal, if a bit power-hungry, but then gets tempted to join the sect and then worsening her personality.