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** Hardly. Dissida (as far as I can see) does nothing to solidify a connection between VII and X. If there was a connection then it would only further prove that other worlds can be connected. I mean if Cloud and Tidus were both summoned for the same place at different time periods it makes it fully possible that Firion and Cecil are both from the same place at different time periods. There's also the whole deal of whether or not Dissidia should be considered canon to the the other games.
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[[WMG: Golbez's dual heritage served as an advantage to Zemus.]]
It is stated that Golbez's Lunarian blood made him more vulnerable to Zemus' control. Thus, it seems the similarity of heritage factors into the effectiveness of mind control. Why couldn't this apply to humans who use mind control? Maybe humans with mind control abilities find it easier to control other humans. So by taking control of Golbez, Zemus would both have someone that he could easily control while enhancing his ability to control humans through Golbez (i.e. Kain).
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* I'm not sure if this is a WMG or me just not remembering from having played in a long time, but I was thinking that the DS version kind of implied that Cecil was ordered to take up the armor of the Dark Knight by the King, presumably after he'd been replaced by Caignazzo, in order to make him more manipulable mentally. Does this mean the armor was made of [[IdiotBall IdiotBallium?]]
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But rather, the use of the equipment and the dark power makes one more susceptible to Zemus's control. Note that, as a Dark Knight, Cecil's MP, Spirit, and Magic Defense are all abysmal. His Spirit stat will never increase past 1. Note also that all of those stats shoot up when he accepts the light given to him by Klu Ya. The Darkness isn't a corruptive force that leads to inevitable evil; it and the tainted equipment (which, might I add, is the only equipment available to Dark Knights and is only available to Dark Knights) combined drop a persons mental defenses to almost nothing, allowing Zemus to take control far more easily. This also gives a possible explanation as to why Cecil is so comfortable with using the Darkness again in ''[=~Dissidia: Final Fantasy~=]''; his time as a paladin has bolstered his mind a lot, so he can safely wield the Darkness again.
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But rather, the use of the equipment and the dark power makes one more susceptible to Zemus's control. Note that, as a Dark Knight, Cecil's MP, Spirit, and Magic Defense are all abysmal. His Spirit stat will never increase past 1. Note also that all of those stats shoot up when he accepts the light given to him by Klu Ya. The Darkness isn't a corruptive force that leads to inevitable evil; it and the tainted equipment (which, might I add, is the only equipment available to Dark Knights and is only available to Dark Knights) combined drop a persons mental defenses to almost nothing, allowing Zemus to take control far more easily. This also gives a possible explanation as to why Cecil is so comfortable with using the Darkness again in ''[=~Dissidia: Final Fantasy~=]''; ''DissidiaFinalFantasy''; his time as a paladin has bolstered his mind a lot, so he can safely wield the Darkness again.
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[[WMG: Kluya cheated to redeem Cecil into being a Paladin.]]
Cecil felt bad for a week for killing defenseless villagers. Mopes a bit, suddenly becomes a ''Paladin'', paragon of goodness. Say what? Kluya weakened his EnemyWithout considerably; which is why the Maenad was able to reverse the process so much with just a little tweaking.
* Also, this could only be done with his Lunarian bloodline. Kain didn't get the kid gloves with his test.
* This might also explain why it took so much longer for Kain, as well as how Kain could do it at all after Kluya spent all of his energy upgrading Cecil. Cecil was cheated in, but Kain needed 17 years of meditation and rumination on his faults and desires before he could change.
[[WMG: Kain got the "Redemption" that Kluya was saving for Golbez.]]
Note Kluya's dialogue when Kain faces his EnemyWithout; he's talking about his sons. The Maenad interference on Cecil's Paladinship included a psychic assault on Kluya's essence. This confused Kluya enough to give the Redemption Test to the wrong person (it helps that Kain was possessed by Golbez when Golbez was being possesed by Zemus, so they had the same psychic "flavor."); but this wasn't what it was designed for; so the test blew up.
[[WMG: The villains of The After Years want to destroy the world because...]]
...it's been contaminated by the Lunarians. Recall that the Mysterious Girl is pretty single-minded about her mission, but makes special note of Cecil being a hybrid. She also attacks the Red Moon despite it being nowhere near the blue planet at the time. [[spoiler: The Creator]] is revealed at the final battle to be an [[EvilutionaryBiologist Evilutionary biologist]], so this theory fits with his main motivations. As for why this is never explicitly stated: The final boss doesn't expect this part of it's motives to be understood, so it doesn't bother to tell the party.
[[WMG: The Summoner Bloodline of Mist has Maenad ancestry.]]
''Everyone'' and their brother seems compelled to point out how the Mysterious Girl looks like Rydia. Every single Maenad has Summoning powers. It was noted by Mist townspeople that the Summoner bloodline was genetic; this isn't just something that can be taught; so Rydia was the LastOfHerKind. Sometime in the past; there was a Maenad who went rogue and fell in love with a human living in Mist.
* Her adopting a Maenad child renews the cycle.
* This would also be the reason why young girls in general are so much better at summoning. It's not because of any [[ChildrenAreInnocent innocence]] on their part, but because they're the closest to the ancestral Maenads.
Cecil felt bad for a week for killing defenseless villagers. Mopes a bit, suddenly becomes a ''Paladin'', paragon of goodness. Say what? Kluya weakened his EnemyWithout considerably; which is why the Maenad was able to reverse the process so much with just a little tweaking.
* Also, this could only be done with his Lunarian bloodline. Kain didn't get the kid gloves with his test.
* This might also explain why it took so much longer for Kain, as well as how Kain could do it at all after Kluya spent all of his energy upgrading Cecil. Cecil was cheated in, but Kain needed 17 years of meditation and rumination on his faults and desires before he could change.
[[WMG: Kain got the "Redemption" that Kluya was saving for Golbez.]]
Note Kluya's dialogue when Kain faces his EnemyWithout; he's talking about his sons. The Maenad interference on Cecil's Paladinship included a psychic assault on Kluya's essence. This confused Kluya enough to give the Redemption Test to the wrong person (it helps that Kain was possessed by Golbez when Golbez was being possesed by Zemus, so they had the same psychic "flavor."); but this wasn't what it was designed for; so the test blew up.
[[WMG: The villains of The After Years want to destroy the world because...]]
...it's been contaminated by the Lunarians. Recall that the Mysterious Girl is pretty single-minded about her mission, but makes special note of Cecil being a hybrid. She also attacks the Red Moon despite it being nowhere near the blue planet at the time. [[spoiler: The Creator]] is revealed at the final battle to be an [[EvilutionaryBiologist Evilutionary biologist]], so this theory fits with his main motivations. As for why this is never explicitly stated: The final boss doesn't expect this part of it's motives to be understood, so it doesn't bother to tell the party.
[[WMG: The Summoner Bloodline of Mist has Maenad ancestry.]]
''Everyone'' and their brother seems compelled to point out how the Mysterious Girl looks like Rydia. Every single Maenad has Summoning powers. It was noted by Mist townspeople that the Summoner bloodline was genetic; this isn't just something that can be taught; so Rydia was the LastOfHerKind. Sometime in the past; there was a Maenad who went rogue and fell in love with a human living in Mist.
* Her adopting a Maenad child renews the cycle.
* This would also be the reason why young girls in general are so much better at summoning. It's not because of any [[ChildrenAreInnocent innocence]] on their part, but because they're the closest to the ancestral Maenads.
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The Blue Moon kind of just disintigrated. If he takes the Red Moon out, it'll leave the planet below without any tides, which would cause massive ecological disaster, as well as some potential geological problems.
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* Wrong. The Creator's moon wasn't the Blue Planet's other moon, despite being confusingly named "The True Moon". The other moon is still there and can still be seen at the end of ''TheAfterYears''.
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[[WMG: Cid is the same person in both II and IV.]]
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** Fynn is Troia, Baron is Palamecia, Mysidia is Mysidia and Eidolons & Elemental Lords reshaped the land after Emperor Mateus brought Hell on Earth, but before Zemus-Golbez's campaign. [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/FinalFantasyII Emperor Mateus is Lunarian]], who decided to, at first, accelerate the development of humans (by conquering other nations and creating a new civilization) to bring Lunarians to the planet faster, and later, after dividing his soul in two halves, kill all humans (as the Dark Emperor) and take over the whole celestial chain (as the Light Emperor). Lunarian origins explain why he didn't just die like a normal human being, transforming into new entity(s) instead (like Zemus->Zeromus; Kluya->The redeeming spirit). After his death the world was in a big mess and Eidolons together with Elemental Lords had to reshape the land and seas. However, under Zemus' corruption, the Elemental Lords also brought new monsters into the reshapen world.
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* Then, what happened to Fynn? There's no sign of the Wild Rose in the entire game. Besides, would people forget the threat of the Emperor in the span of less than a lifetime?
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lifetime? That brings out some [[NightmareFuel Nightmare Fuel]] this way. It's almost like those memories were erased from existence by Zemus.
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*Then, what happened to Fynn? There's no sign of the Wild Rose in the entire game. Besides, would people forget the threat of the Emperor in the span of less than a lifetime?
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[[WMG:[[FinalFantasyII Emperor Mateus]] was brainwashed by Zemus.]]
He was Zemus' first attempt at getting someone to gather the crystals. Unfortunately, he didn't count on Mateus' thirst for power. Then he heard about [=KluYa=]'s sons, and decided to try and brainwash one of them, figuring they'd be easier to control being half-Lunarian.
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[[WMG: Cecil and Rosa were adopted by [[FinalFantasyII Firion and Maria]], just as Cain was.]]
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* This might also explain why it took so much longer for Kain, as well as how Kain could do it at all after Kluya spent all of his energy upgrading Cecil. Cecil was cheated in, but Kain needed 17 years of meditation and rumination on his faults and desires before he could change.
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*Remember that Rosa's mom didn't die, and her father is either alive and works somewhere, or dead.
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** And in the backstory, the world was threatened by the Flood of ''Light'' and the four ''Dark'' Warriors had to defeat it in order to save the world.
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* This was disputed?
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''Everyone'' and their brother seems compelled to point out how the Mysterious Girl looks like Rydia. Every single one Maenad has Summoning powers. It was noted by Mist townspeople that the Summoner bloodline was genetic; this isn't just something that can be taught; so Rydia was the LastOfHerKind. Sometime in the past; there was a Maenad who went rogue and fell in love with a human living in Mist.
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''Everyone'' and their brother seems compelled to point out how the Mysterious Girl looks like Rydia. Every single one has Summoning powers. It was noted by Mist townspeople that the Summoner bloodline was genetic; this isn't just something that can be taught; so Rydia was the LastOfHerKind. Sometime in the past; there was a Maenad who went rogue and fell in love with a human living in Mist.
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*Even including Final Fantasy VIII?
** Rinoa has a dad; after Edea kills the president, he's the highest ranking member of the Galbadian government we know of.
***Squall's dad is alive, too.
** Rinoa has a dad; after Edea kills the president, he's the highest ranking member of the Galbadian government we know of.
***Squall's dad is alive, too.
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** Rinoa has a dad; after Edea kills the president, he's the highest ranking member of the Galbadian government we know of.
***Squall's dad is alive, too.
