History WMG / FateKaleidLinerPrismaIllya

After all, in CarnivalPhantasm, the preview to 2nd season of Phantasmoon hints of Shirou as the Big Bad, it was actually foreshadowing to Prisma Illya.

* Actually in the original ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' they managed to hide Illya because Kiritsugu was critically weakened by Angra Mainyu. However since Kiritsugu in this verse is obviously healthy it's likely he went full Magnus Killer on their ass.

They aren't just depowered in this AlternateUniverse, according to Irisviel when Kuro asks if she could go join them, they're ''gone.'' In the original ''FateStayNight'' verse, they were strong enough to hide Illya and keep Kiritsugu completely away; while lying to Illya about Kiritsugu. In this universe; they didn't have the same power but they still threatened Kiritsugu's family. ....this was a bad idea. He and Iris stay away from Illya to prevent fallout from other mage families affecting her.
* Actually in the original ''FateStayNight'' they managed to hide Illya because Kiritsugu was critically weakened by Angra Mainyu. However since Kiritsugu in this verse is obviously healthy it's likely he went full Magnus Killer on their ass.

[[WMG: The series is set after a ''successful'' [[FateStayNight Holy Grail War]]]]

*** Revision! [[spoiler: Miyu's brother is the Shirou from her AlternateUniverse. Nevertheless her counterpart in the Prisma-verse (and ''FateStayNight'') was also likely Shirou's sister before the fire.]]

Not even the [[Literature/FateZero Corrupted]] [[FateStayNight Holy Grail]] was able to turn him mindless. This combined with Angelica taking half of his prided treasury; he's actually feeling...vulnerable. He doesn't like it. He'll never SHOW this though.

They aren't just depowered in this AlternateUniverse, according to Irisviel when Kuro asks if she could go join them, they're ''gone.'' In the original ''FateStayNight'' verse, they were strong enough to hide Iris and Illya and keep Kiritsugu completely away; while lying to Illya about Kiritsugu. In this universe; they didn't have the same power but they still threatened Kiritsugu's family. ....this was a bad idea. He and Iris stay away from Illya to prevent fallout from other mage families affecting her.
* Actually in the original ''FateStayNight'' they didn't hid Iris and Illya, but rather they manage to hide Illya because Kiritsugu was critically weaken by Angra Mainyu. However since Kiritsugu in this verse is obviously healthy it's likely he went full Magnus Killer on their ass.

** Lancelot is the Ainsworth Berserker card. [[spoiler: Sakura Matou]] has it installed. ''She took Shirou's sword.'' Lancelot's Noble Phantasm ''Eternal Arms Mastership'' lets him/her use any weapon at the level of a master.

** Lancelot is the Ainsworth Berserker card. [[spoiler: Sakura Matou]] has it installed. ''She took Shirou's sword.'' '''Lancelot's Noble Phantasm''' ''''Eternal Arms Mastership'''' '''lets him/her use any weapon at the level of a master.''''

* [[spoiler:Mostly confirmed. In chapter 25, Beatrice outright states that the Archer Card was Shirou's. The EMIYA traits however, probably stem from overusing Projection.]]

[[WMG:Tanaka]]
is a puppet built by Aozaki Tokou and made indestructible by Aoko.

[[AC:FateKaleidLinerPrismaIlya]]

They aren't just depowered in this AlternateUniverse, according to Irisviel when Kuro asks if she could go join them, they're ''gone.'' In the original ''FateStayNight'' verse, they were strong enough to hide Iris and Ilya and keep Kiritsugu completely away; while lying to Ilya about Kiritsugu. In this universe; they didn't have the same power but they still threatened Kiritsugu's family. ....this was a bad idea. He and Iris stay away from Ilya to prevent fallout from other mage families affecting her.

One where ''Ilya'' got her wish. In the Ilya route in which this occurs, the only survivors were Shirou and Ilya herself; Ilya, wishing them both to be happy, created a new universe where [[LighterAndSofter everybody didn't have horrible backstories]], and all the dead people, well, ''weren't dead''. The new universe contained many of the concepts of the old, in new forms. In the process, she sealed away both her and Shirou's memories, and entrusted their guardianship to her creepy maids.
* Which means basically that the Grail Conduit wished for the power to keep existing; thus Ilya retains a connection to the Akasha. Normally the Wish would be able to handle this; but the rule-breaking aspects of the Kaleidostick are massively screwing with this.

*** So very close. It's [[spoiler: The result of Ilya's parents saying "screw it" to the Holy Grail War to begin with, and sealing the power so it doesn't wake up. However, being connected to the Akasha did give them the power to grant Wishes still]]. Of course, this reality could have been created through TimeTravel via the above theory.

[[WMG: [[spoiler: Black Ilya is to Illya as Archer is to Shirou]]]]

[[WMG: [[spoiler: Black Ilya]] is actually the Ilya from the doujin Sword Dancers]]

* Isn't Kuro effectively EMIYA in Ilya's body? Not that I'd complain if EMIYA showed up, too.

After Kaleidoscope Ruby sought out Ilya; Luvia ''Edelfelt'' realized that Kaleidoscope Sapphire was going to do the same thing. Instead of just finding out who it picked and bullying them; she got a little proactive. She created a being with the aspects that Sapphire would most be attracted to; and programmed her to obey her. The person she based the [[OurHomunculiAreDifferent Homunculus]] on was randomly one of the people who died in the fire that made Shirou an orphan. When she realized just who she copied; she told Miyu not to tell Shirou. Shirou has amnesia of his life before the fire; and this was the age his sister was when she died.
* Black Ilya does tell Miyu that her existence is similar to her own; born of magic.

[[WMG: Ilya was the vessel for the [[Literature/FateZero Fourth Grail War]].]]
For some reason, the souls of the defeated servants was transferred to Ilya instead of Irie, and she become the vessel. Thankfully, Kiritsugu managed to kill Kotomine after the great fire, win the war and had the Mage Association save the barely alive Ilya and dismantle the Grail. Unfortunately, remnants of the grail and its corruption still reside in Ilya, so her parents search for a permanent solution across the world, leaving her under the care of her Homonculi maids and a survivor of the great fire that they had just adopted.

[[WMG: Black Ilya is the same Ilya Archer knew during his life time.]]
We know that Ilya died a year after the war in Archer's time, but perhaps Shirou tried to save her life by transffering some his power to her. This caused her to begin exhibiting powerful projection abilities and her skin turned darker (like what later happened to EMIYA). At some time before she died she used these abilities to do something incredibly [[BadAss badass]] that ended up netting her a place in the Throne of Heroes until she some how got dragged into this reality. This of course means that if Heroic Spirit Emiya shows up later in accordance with the above we can be expecting a [[CrowningMomentofHeartwarming a very touching reunion]].

After all, in CarnivalPhantasm, the preview to 2nd season of Phantasmoon hints of Shirou as the Big Bad, it was actually foreshadowing to Prisma Ilya.

[[WMG: Miyu's world is either earlier past of Notes or Fate/Extra or Tsuki no Sango]]
[[spoiler: In chaper 17 it is revealed the true goal of the Ainsworth is to used the grail to save the world. Like the world of Notes and Fate/Extra the world is dying. There is a severe mana depletion also animals and plants are dying. The Earth like in Fate/Extra and Tsuki no Sango is out of axis.]]

[[WMG: Ilya and Shirou's parents are looking for a cure for Ilya]]
Related to the "sealed power" within her, that's why they're gone all the time.
* IKnewIt.

Justeaze Lizrich von Einzbern became the core of the Greater Grail the Key to the Ritual, Heavens Feel. Irisviel revealed to Illya she was to be the Key to the Ritual. Caren Hortensia said the Holy Grail meaning the Lesser Grail sleeps inside Mount Enzou. The cave inside Mt. Enzou is the location of the Greater Grail in FSN. The Greater Grail is the wish granting machine connected to Akasha. But since the Holy Grail War occurred only once then the container of the Holy Grail should be cup like the first to third Fuyuki Holy Grail. Only in the Fourth Fuyuki Grail did the Einzbern first use a Homunculus as a mobile container.