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* Just one problem with all this... Sephiroth is [[AxCrazy batfuck]] [[NeutralEvil evil]].

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* Just one problem with all this... Sephiroth is [[AxCrazy batfuck]] [[NeutralEvil batfuck evil]].
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It's a pretty well-known and enduring theory that I'm surprised wasn't already on here. Blonde hair and blue eyes are recessive traits. Therefore, Cloud's father should also be blonde haired and blue eyed. Of the characters we see, few men in the right age range and position have those traits. The Shinras are all blonde and some variation of blue-eyed. Shinra installed a mansion in Cloud's home town of Nibelheim years ago, right next to where we see the Strife household in-game. We also already know that Shinra Sr. is prone to having affairs and producing illegitimate children because there's already two illigitimate childen of his in the extended cast, both from different mothers--and one of those mothers lied to their son about his parentage and claimed the son's father had died when he was young. Perhaps coincidentally, perhaps not, this is the same explanation that Cloud's mother apparently told him for Cloud's own father's absence, according to the FFVII guide. Not only is Shinra Sr. one of the few characters who fit the bill for Cloud's potential father, but it wouldn't be out of character at all for Shinra to get a girl pregnant and then left her to raise the kid alone, because he's already known to have done that before. Also, look at the pattern: Angeal and Genesis had a twist backstory that revealed a secret parent in Shinra, Sephiroth had a twist backstory that revealed a secret parent in Shinra, Aerith had a twist backstory that revealed a secret parent in Shinra. All of Zack's friends seem to somehow turn out to be the children of major Shinra executives. Cloud's the main character; secretly being Shinra's son would be the apotheosis of a clear writing trend. There is a bunch more posts about this elsewhere but a probably more cogent explanation can be found [[https://www.thegamer.com/final-fantasy-vii-cloud-president-shinra-son/ here.]]

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It's a pretty well-known and enduring theory that I'm surprised wasn't already on here. Blonde hair and blue eyes are recessive traits. Therefore, Cloud's father should would either also be blonde haired and blue eyed.eyed or come from a family with those reoccurring traits. Of the characters we see, few men in the right age range and position have those traits. The Shinras are all blonde and some variation of blue-eyed. Shinra installed a mansion in Cloud's home town of Nibelheim years ago, right next to where we see the Strife household in-game. We also already know that Shinra Sr. is prone to having affairs and producing illegitimate children because there's already two illigitimate childen of his in the extended cast, both from different mothers--and one of those mothers lied to their son about his parentage and claimed the son's father had died when he was young. Perhaps coincidentally, perhaps not, this is the same explanation that Cloud's mother apparently told him for Cloud's own father's absence, according to the FFVII guide. Not only is Shinra Sr. one of the few characters who fit the bill for Cloud's potential father, but it wouldn't be out of character at all for Shinra to get a girl pregnant and then left leave her to raise the kid alone, because he's already known to have done that before. Also, look at the pattern: Angeal and Genesis had a twist backstory that revealed a secret parent in Shinra, Sephiroth had a twist backstory that revealed a secret parent in Shinra, Aerith had a twist backstory that revealed a secret parent in Shinra. All of Zack's friends seem to somehow turn out to be the children of major Shinra executives. Cloud's the main character; secretly being Shinra's son would be the apotheosis of a clear writing trend. There is a bunch more posts about this elsewhere but a probably more cogent explanation can be found [[https://www.thegamer.com/final-fantasy-vii-cloud-president-shinra-son/ here.]]
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There are alternate ways to interpret Midgar being covered in greenery and wildlife 500 years after the events of FFVII that don't amount to "everyone died", and one good reason for that is because everything ''else'' that was capable of killing the residents of Midgar ''didn't''. A Meteor to the Planet's face didn't KillEmAll, Geostigma and a bunch of meddling kids didn't do it, and Omega couldn't kill them either. Maybe the residents got a little savvy and decided something:

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There are alternate ways to interpret Midgar being covered in greenery and wildlife 500 years after the events of FFVII that don't amount to "everyone died", and one good reason for that is because everything ''else'' that was capable of killing the residents of Midgar ''didn't''. A Meteor to the Planet's face didn't KillEmAll, kill everyone, Geostigma and a bunch of meddling kids didn't do it, and Omega couldn't kill them either. Maybe the residents got a little savvy and decided something:



Jenova is [[GodIsEvil Jehovah]], the grouchy "KillEmAll HERESY" god of the Abrahamic Religions. Sephiroth is Jesus (but can't be [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory In Purgatory]] because the Cetra won). Aerith is Gaia (or, depending on which romanization you think was intended, A'''eris'''), the last of the [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic Ancients]]. Jenova arrived [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything two thousand years ago, and immediately started trying to wipe out any Ancients]] (any confusion is in this being the ThemeParkVersion of Abrahamic religion). Since Aerith lives on even after her destruction in the minds of those who survive her, but Jenova is remembered only as that freak that tried to Kill Us All once her last followers (the Remnants of Sephiroth) are dead from their own insistence on fighting.

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Jenova is [[GodIsEvil Jehovah]], the grouchy "KillEmAll HERESY" "HERESY" god of the Abrahamic Religions. Sephiroth is Jesus (but can't be [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory In Purgatory]] because the Cetra won). Aerith is Gaia (or, depending on which romanization you think was intended, A'''eris'''), the last of the [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic Ancients]]. Jenova arrived [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything two thousand years ago, and immediately started trying to wipe out any Ancients]] (any confusion is in this being the ThemeParkVersion of Abrahamic religion). Since Aerith lives on even after her destruction in the minds of those who survive her, but Jenova is remembered only as that freak that tried to Kill Us All once her last followers (the Remnants of Sephiroth) are dead from their own insistence on fighting.



Spin a globe, pick a spot on it, [[KillEmAll wipe it off the face of the Planet]]. A forced attempt at speeding up the cycle of life, putting the Lifestream back into the Planet for them to be able to turn it into Mako. Nibelheim? Exactly as planned. Corel? It´s a ghost town for a reason. Mideel? ... They didn't get far enough to kill off the people there, but they were about to!

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Spin a globe, pick a spot on it, [[KillEmAll wipe it off the face of the Planet]].Planet. A forced attempt at speeding up the cycle of life, putting the Lifestream back into the Planet for them to be able to turn it into Mako. Nibelheim? Exactly as planned. Corel? It´s a ghost town for a reason. Mideel? ... They didn't get far enough to kill off the people there, but they were about to!
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Kill Em All was renamed Everybody Dies Ending due to misuse. Dewicking


Its solution to the threat to itself in the form of Shinra? Create gigantic bioweapons that threaten to kill every living being. Its solution to being called upon to use its [[TheLifestream lifeblood]] to stop a ColonyDrop? Use said lifeblood to KillEmAll. Its solution to dealing with a vaguely-defined corruption of its lifeblood by TheVirus? Cause a ridiculous amount of hyperimmunity-based pain to the victims that for some reason doesn't actually kill them outright. Need I go on?

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Its solution to the threat to itself in the form of Shinra? Create gigantic bioweapons that threaten to kill every living being. Its solution to being called upon to use its [[TheLifestream lifeblood]] to stop a ColonyDrop? Use said lifeblood to KillEmAll.kill everyone. Its solution to dealing with a vaguely-defined corruption of its lifeblood by TheVirus? Cause a ridiculous amount of hyperimmunity-based pain to the victims that for some reason doesn't actually kill them outright. Need I go on?
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We know that the Planet is both alive and capable of creating lifeforms to defend itself. When the life of the Planet is threatened it released WEAPONS to kill things and increase the amount of spirit energy available to heal itself. We also know that Jenova is a threat to the Planet, being a cosmic parasite that feeds on the Lifestream. The true form of Jenova has been dormant/dead for thousands of years so the Planet has been ignoring it and focussing on healing it's injury, but that changes a few decades before te game begins. Jenova is discovered and it's cells are placed within living beings, at first this isn't much of a problem untl Hojo creates Sephiroth. Sephiroth has an incredibly high concentration of Jenova cells, so much so that he actually registers as a threat to the Planet. His physical and magical abilities far outstrip any other being, save perhaps for the Weapons. Now, we don't know how exactly he was a threat, maybe the Jevona cells fed off the dieing beings round him, it would certainly explain where his power comes from, maybe because he seems to be able to influence the dormant/dead Jenova which wasan actual threat to the Planet or something like that. Sephiroth was classified as a problem but not one that required the use of the Weapons so the Planet created a lesser form of defense, Aeris. Aeris is, by natureof her limit breaks which are theinherent power of each user, a protecter, healer and cleanser. She is in tune with the voice of the Planet and seems to be guided down a path full of too many coincidences to be pure chance. Notice how the two places she's most connected to, her home and the church, are the only two places in all of Midgar where flowers will grow, despite having several mako reactors sucking the lifestream away from the area constantly? Was Aeris drawn to these areas because of their lingering ties to the Planet or did she cause those ties herself? Aeris is also in possesion of the White Materia, right from the start, the one thing needed to counter the Black Materia, that she somehow managed to keep despite both her and her mother have been in ShinRa captivity for years and then captured again as an adult? She is the one who finds out how to fight Sephiroth, she is the one who stops meteor, she is the one to cure geostigma. Aeris is responsable for every true thwarting of Sephiroth, because that is what she was created to do.

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We know that the Planet is both alive and capable of creating lifeforms to defend itself. When the life of the Planet is threatened it released WEAPONS to kill things and increase the amount of spirit energy available to heal itself. We also know that Jenova is a threat to the Planet, being a cosmic parasite that feeds on the Lifestream. The true form of Jenova has been dormant/dead for thousands of years so the Planet has been ignoring it and focussing on healing it's injury, but that changes a few decades before te game begins. Jenova is discovered and it's cells are placed within living beings, at first this isn't much of a problem untl Hojo creates Sephiroth. Sephiroth has an incredibly high concentration of Jenova cells, so much so that he actually registers as a threat to the Planet. His physical and magical abilities far outstrip any other being, save perhaps for the Weapons. Now, we don't know how exactly he was a threat, maybe the Jevona cells fed off the dieing beings round him, it would certainly explain where his power comes from, maybe because he seems to be able to influence the dormant/dead Jenova which wasan actual threat to the Planet or something like that. Sephiroth was classified as a problem but not one that required the use of the Weapons so the Planet created a lesser form of defense, Aeris. Aeris is, by natureof her limit breaks which are theinherent power of each user, a protecter, healer and cleanser. She is in tune with the voice of the Planet and seems to be guided down a path full of too many coincidences to be pure chance. Notice how the two places she's most connected to, her home and the church, are the only two places in all of Midgar where flowers will grow, despite having several mako reactors sucking the lifestream away from the area constantly? Was Aeris drawn to these areas because of their lingering ties to the Planet or did she cause those ties herself? Aeris is also in possesion of the White Materia, right from the start, the one thing needed to counter the Black Materia, that she somehow managed to keep despite both her and her mother have been in ShinRa [=ShinRa=] captivity for years and then captured again as an adult? She is the one who finds out how to fight Sephiroth, she is the one who stops meteor, she is the one to cure geostigma. Aeris is responsable for every true thwarting of Sephiroth, because that is what she was created to do.



This ties in with the many "Planet is sentient" {{WMG}}s, and to the overall theme of deconstruction throughout FFVII. Consider, the Crystals were the ultimate power of light, good, and life in many previous entries, and the theme of science being used to subjigate the forces of magic is prevalent in both FFV and FFVI. In the world of FFVII humanity(via the ShinRa Corp.) has turned the Crystals into a commodity in the form of Materia, and is tapping directly into their power source, the Lifestream, by way of Mako energy. Wheras magic previously required training, spiritual awareness, or a hereditary ability to commune with the life force, ShinRa has gone straight to the source and canibalized it into little crystal balls that anyone can slot into their weaponry or equipment. Planet is sentient, and it's pissed at us because we've murdered it's messengers and guardians, used their corpses as a shortcut to power we have no comprehension of, and are tapping directly into it's nervous system/bloodstream to fuel the very machines we've used to subjigate it. Humanity has canibalized the Planet's immune system to allow itself faster access to power, and now that Planet faces a threat that said immune system was specifically designed to protect we have to use the White Materia(perhaps the last true Crystal left in the world) to jump start it back up again. It's no wonder that Bunhaggen thinks Planet might hold a grudge, we've been treating it horribly for generations.

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This ties in with the many "Planet is sentient" {{WMG}}s, and to the overall theme of deconstruction throughout FFVII. Consider, the Crystals were the ultimate power of light, good, and life in many previous entries, and the theme of science being used to subjigate the forces of magic is prevalent in both FFV and FFVI. In the world of FFVII humanity(via the ShinRa [=ShinRa=] Corp.) has turned the Crystals into a commodity in the form of Materia, and is tapping directly into their power source, the Lifestream, by way of Mako energy. Wheras magic previously required training, spiritual awareness, or a hereditary ability to commune with the life force, ShinRa [=ShinRa=] has gone straight to the source and canibalized it into little crystal balls that anyone can slot into their weaponry or equipment. Planet is sentient, and it's pissed at us because we've murdered it's messengers and guardians, used their corpses as a shortcut to power we have no comprehension of, and are tapping directly into it's nervous system/bloodstream to fuel the very machines we've used to subjigate it. Humanity has canibalized the Planet's immune system to allow itself faster access to power, and now that Planet faces a threat that said immune system was specifically designed to protect we have to use the White Materia(perhaps the last true Crystal left in the world) to jump start it back up again. It's no wonder that Bunhaggen thinks Planet might hold a grudge, we've been treating it horribly for generations.
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Weapons such as whips are so painful because they break the speed of sound when used. As physics tells us, this is because the whip's tip is far away from the handle. The farther from the end an object is the faster it goes. Sephiroth's sword is incredibly long, so it can go at incredible speeds when swung, [[UpToEleven maybe even fast enough to break the speed of light.]] That, combined with his SOLDIER training, may let him temporarily stop time. This is why he can make so many attacks at once with just one swing.

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Weapons such as whips are so painful because they break the speed of sound when used. As physics tells us, this is because the whip's tip is far away from the handle. The farther from the end an object is the faster it goes. Sephiroth's sword is incredibly long, so it can go at incredible speeds when swung, [[UpToEleven maybe even fast enough to break the speed of light.]] light. That, combined with his SOLDIER training, may let him temporarily stop time. This is why he can make so many attacks at once with just one swing.



Even though Hojo is utterly evil and practically gloats about it, we've seen that women in the [=FF7=] universe just can't seem to resist his charms, from the girls at the beach all the way to Lucrecia. Apparently he's carrying the irresistable DracoInLeatherPants genes (or DILP genes for short), and he's passed it on to his son Sephiroth, who takes Hojo's tall, long-haired appearance UpToEleven. But Sephiroth, being superhumanly powerful thanks to his Jenova heritage, has twisted Hojo's DILP abilities into a new form. While Hojo has the power to attract adoring fangirls in his own 'verse, Sephiroth can use his Jenova-enhanced DILP genes to BreakTheFourthWall and mesmerize legions of real-life fans into doing his bidding. It remains to be seen whether he's planning to unleash a fangirl version of the Reunion upon the world, or if he has some other evil scheme in mind.

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Even though Hojo is utterly evil and practically gloats about it, we've seen that women in the [=FF7=] universe just can't seem to resist his charms, from the girls at the beach all the way to Lucrecia. Apparently he's carrying the irresistable DracoInLeatherPants genes (or DILP genes for short), and he's passed it on to his son Sephiroth, who takes Hojo's tall, long-haired appearance UpToEleven.to another level. But Sephiroth, being superhumanly powerful thanks to his Jenova heritage, has twisted Hojo's DILP abilities into a new form. While Hojo has the power to attract adoring fangirls in his own 'verse, Sephiroth can use his Jenova-enhanced DILP genes to BreakTheFourthWall and mesmerize legions of real-life fans into doing his bidding. It remains to be seen whether he's planning to unleash a fangirl version of the Reunion upon the world, or if he has some other evil scheme in mind.
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[[WMG:The chocobo breeding sidequest happened, and Cloud has a Gold Chocobo.]]
In the data table of chocobo racers, only one name is unused: "Julia", seeming to refer to a DummiedOut opponent. All the others are encountered at some point, so it seems odd that there's exactly one no-show.
However, there is ''also'' one chocobo [[HelloInsertNameHere with no in-game name]]: the player's. "Julia" is the name Cloud gave his own chocobo.
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[[FridgeBrilliance Genesis is basically a Stu whose traits are played realistically!]] Everything that qualifies him as a shining, perfect Marty Stu [[RealityEnsues backfires horribly because this is reality and there are no Deus ex machinas to rescue him.]]

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[[FridgeBrilliance Genesis is basically a Stu whose traits are played realistically!]] Everything that qualifies him as a shining, perfect Marty Stu [[RealityEnsues [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome backfires horribly because this is reality and there are no Deus ex machinas to rescue him.]]
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[[WMG:[[Manga/HellstarRemina Remina]] is what you get when Jenova eats a planet]]

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[[WMG:[[Manga/HellstarRemina Remina]] [[WMG:Manga/{{Remina}} is what you get when Jenova eats a planet]]

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