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Possibly in an EnemyMine situation as they both end up fighting against Viggo and his dragon trappers. Averting war against Mala and her Wing will further solidify Hiccup's faith in the power of diplomacy, which will be tested when he encounters Draco and discovers that some people cannot be reasoned with.

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Possibly in an EnemyMine situation as they both end up fighting against Viggo and his dragon trappers. Averting war against Mala and her the Defenders of the Wing will further solidify Hiccup's faith in the power of diplomacy, which will be tested when he encounters Draco and discovers that some people cannot be reasoned with.
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Possibly in an EnemyMine situation as they both end up fighting against Viggo and his dragon trappers. Averting war against Mala and her Wing will further Hiccup's faith in the power of diplomacy, which will be tested when he encounters Draco and discovers that some people cannot be reasoned with.

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Possibly in an EnemyMine situation as they both end up fighting against Viggo and his dragon trappers. Averting war against Mala and her Wing will further solidify Hiccup's faith in the power of diplomacy, which will be tested when he encounters Draco and discovers that some people cannot be reasoned with.
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The line "I don't want to conquer the world, unlike some" seems to strongly imply that Viggo is at least aware of Drago's existence, and him setting up a dragon trade could well be his way of ensuring that he and his brother have a place in Drago's new world, making Drago the BiggerBad of Race to the Edge.

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The line "I don't want to conquer the world, unlike some" seems to strongly imply that Viggo is at least aware of Drago's existence, and him setting up a dragon trade could well be his way of ensuring that he and his brother have a place in Drago's new world, making Drago the BiggerBad of Race to the Edge.Edge.

[[WMG: Hiccup will succeed in negotiating a lasting peace with Mala.]]
Possibly in an EnemyMine situation as they both end up fighting against Viggo and his dragon trappers. Averting war against Mala and her Wing will further Hiccup's faith in the power of diplomacy, which will be tested when he encounters Draco and discovers that some people cannot be reasoned with.
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Raiding shipping has been in existence since the inception of naval travel, and since both Viggo kept Berk's gold and was a declared enemy of the Hooligan Tribe, there's no reason why some of the raids wouldn't also include nabbing any gold that Viggo's men had, either from selling their dragon products or to buy supplies with. And even if the Dragon Riders couldn't carry it, there's no reason why Berk couldn't send ships to attack under cover of the Riders to hit Viggo's convoys. So with Berk harassing all of his shipments both to disrupt his efforts and to recover the gold he stole, Viggo may actually have realized that he couldn't protect against the Riders forever and thus the truce offer. This would also help explain why it had not come up - Vikings simply went aviking.

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Raiding shipping has been in existence since the inception of naval travel, and since both Viggo kept Berk's gold and was a declared enemy of the Hooligan Tribe, there's no reason why some of the raids wouldn't also include nabbing any gold that Viggo's men had, either from selling their dragon products or to buy supplies with. And even if the Dragon Riders couldn't carry it, there's no reason why Berk couldn't send ships to attack under cover of the Riders to hit Viggo's convoys. So with Berk harassing all of his shipments both to disrupt his efforts and to recover the gold he stole, Viggo may actually have realized that he couldn't protect against the Riders forever and thus the truce offer. This would also help explain why it had not come up - Vikings simply went aviking.aviking.

[[WMG: Viggo knows Drago is coming.]]
The line "I don't want to conquer the world, unlike some" seems to strongly imply that Viggo is at least aware of Drago's existence, and him setting up a dragon trade could well be his way of ensuring that he and his brother have a place in Drago's new world, making Drago the BiggerBad of Race to the Edge.
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Need something to explain Vigo's accent. The Berk Vikings must have spent years in Scotland for their accents to be affected with the American accent representing the unaffected the original Norse accent.

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Need something to explain Vigo's accent. The Berk Vikings must have spent years in Scotland for their accents to be affected with the American accent representing the unaffected the original Norse accent.accent.

[[WMG: After "Last Auction Heroes", some of the Riders' attacks were to recover gold.]]
Raiding shipping has been in existence since the inception of naval travel, and since both Viggo kept Berk's gold and was a declared enemy of the Hooligan Tribe, there's no reason why some of the raids wouldn't also include nabbing any gold that Viggo's men had, either from selling their dragon products or to buy supplies with. And even if the Dragon Riders couldn't carry it, there's no reason why Berk couldn't send ships to attack under cover of the Riders to hit Viggo's convoys. So with Berk harassing all of his shipments both to disrupt his efforts and to recover the gold he stole, Viggo may actually have realized that he couldn't protect against the Riders forever and thus the truce offer. This would also help explain why it had not come up - Vikings simply went aviking.
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* Any WordOfGod aside, ''Frozen'', like most fantasy settings, contains a lot of anachronisms that make it impossible to place in a specific period of our world's history. In that light, Berk and Arendelle are set in the same world and time -- the area of the world where Berk and the other Viking tribes are located just hasn't had the same technological development as Arendelle's part of the world (not difficult when you're cut off from the rest of the world by a thick fog bank few have had the courage to cross) -- and "Frozen" the episode does indeed take place at the same time as ''Frozen'' the film (they certainly aired close enough together!).
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[[WMG: Mildew is...]]
Alvin's mole. As Main page's "Tempting Fate" points out: In "Alvin and the Outcasts", Gobber notes, "This would be a really bad time to get attacked, especially by Alvin the Treacherous." Guess who lands on their shores later that day? It is no coincidence that Alvin landed that same day, Mildew was the one who burned down the weapons storage to enable Alvin's invasion! Alvin was there to kidnap Hiccup, and everybody and their aunt know that Mildew hates Hiccup (well, everybody except Hiccup himself).
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[[WMG: Heather was given to her foster family by her parents to protect her from her brother [[spoiler: Dagur]].]]

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[[WMG: Heather was given to her foster family by her parents to protect her from her brother [[spoiler: Dagur]].]]Dagur]]]]
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Considering who her brother is and the fact that she had probably been with her foster parents long before her real parents died, it makes sense.

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Considering who her brother is and the fact that she had probably been with her foster parents long before her real parents died, it makes sense.sense.

[[WMG: The Grimborn's originate from Cumbria, Scandinavian York or the Danelaw]]

Need something to explain Vigo's accent. The Berk Vikings must have spent years in Scotland for their accents to be affected with the American accent representing the unaffected the original Norse accent.
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The duo have plenty of ShipTease, but that's mostly it.

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The duo have plenty of ShipTease, but that's mostly it.it.

[[WMG: Heather was given to her foster family by her parents to protect her from her brother [[spoiler: Dagur]].]]
Considering who her brother is and the fact that she had probably been with her foster parents long before her real parents died, it makes sense.

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* Jossed

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* Confirmed. Season 3 happens still between 1 and 2, but it does feature a 3 year TimeSkip, and several call forwards in the series that points towards what will come.

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* Confirmed. Season 3 happens still between 1 and 2, but it does feature a 3 year TimeSkip, and several call forwards in the series that points towards what will come.come.

[[WMG: Astrid and Hiccup will hook up, but only towards the end of the show.]]
The duo have plenty of ShipTease, but that's mostly it.
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* Still technically possible. TheCloneWars had an age-up for Ahsoka with no ceremony, though they could at least hide it by having her not be in a few episodes.

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* Still technically possible. TheCloneWars WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars had an age-up for Ahsoka with no ceremony, though they could at least hide it by having her not be in a few episodes.

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* Jossed



Either way it is unlikely that the Riders of Berk continuity will move beyond the second film, as much due to budget constraints and to prevent cannon discontinuity between the films, which hold creative control, and the show (seeing as Alvin is not even mentioned once in the films). So season 3 will most likely focus on tying up all the B-conflicts, such as Alvin, as well as introducing new dragons who make appearances in the second film, alongside other important discoveries like the Tracker Class of Dragon. With this in mind it is also possible that any additional Seasons will be part a new working title under the Dragons Franchise, in order to distinguish itself as taking place between the events of the second and third films. Which will feature entirely new villains, story arcs, and even more new dragons.

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Either way it is unlikely that the Riders of Berk continuity will move beyond the second film, as much due to budget constraints and to prevent cannon discontinuity between the films, which hold creative control, and the show (seeing as Alvin is not even mentioned once in the films). So season 3 will most likely focus on tying up all the B-conflicts, such as Alvin, as well as introducing new dragons who make appearances in the second film, alongside other important discoveries like the Tracker Class of Dragon. With this in mind it is also possible that any additional Seasons will be part a new working title under the Dragons Franchise, in order to distinguish itself as taking place between the events of the second and third films. Which will feature entirely new villains, story arcs, and even more new dragons.dragons.
* Confirmed. Season 3 happens still between 1 and 2, but it does feature a 3 year TimeSkip, and several call forwards in the series that points towards what will come.
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** Yeah, a lot.
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[[WMG: Thornado will eventually return to Berk to be with Stoic after the thunderdrum hatchlings are old enough to fend for themselves.]]

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[[WMG: Thornado will eventually return to Berk to be with Stoic Stoick after the thunderdrum Thunderdrum hatchlings are old enough to fend for themselves.]]

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* Even if Dagur's forces are called the Berserker Tribe, that does not mean that others cannot be berserkers. After all, Berk is home to the Hooligan Tribe and I think you can call some of Alvin's minions hooligans. Fishlegs can still become the mainland Norse definition even if he does not join the Berserker tribe. But to be clear, as this WMG's author, I am referring to the Old Norse Berserker (see here [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker]] ). Plus, if they want to introduce 'friendly' Berserker characters (given the hints dropped about Dagur killing his own father, it's certainly possible), having one train Fishlegs in their ways if they notice the 'true berserker' tendencies could be an interesting subplot and be a nice way to tie back to the books as a MythologyGag that fans of both will notice.

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* Even if Dagur's forces are called the Berserker Tribe, that does not mean that others cannot be berserkers.Berserkers. After all, Berk is home to the Hooligan Tribe and I think you can call some of Alvin's minions hooligans. Fishlegs can still become the mainland Norse definition even if he does not join the Berserker tribe. But to be clear, as this WMG's author, I am referring to the Old Norse Berserker (see here [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker]] ). Plus, if they want to introduce 'friendly' Berserker characters (given the hints dropped about Dagur killing his own father, it's certainly possible), having one train Fishlegs in their ways if they notice the 'true berserker' tendencies could be an interesting subplot and be a nice way to tie back to the books as a MythologyGag that fans of both will notice.




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* Jossed. Season three takes place a year or 2 BEFORE the sequel.



** It works for Hiccup's teenage nemesis to have a dragon with similarities to Toothless : rare, fast, both of the Strike Class of dragons, both with a one-of-a-kind blast attack. Plus, just like Hiccup has a stylized Night Fury on his shield, the Berserker Tribe's crest feature a stylized Skrill, and Dagur wears it on his belt-buckle.

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** It works for Hiccup's teenage nemesis to have a dragon with similarities to Toothless : Toothless: rare, fast, both of the Strike Class of dragons, both with a one-of-a-kind blast attack. Plus, just like Hiccup has a stylized Night Fury on his shield, the Berserker Tribe's crest feature a stylized Skrill, and Dagur wears it on his belt-buckle.



[[WMG: Alvin and Stoic are brothers]]

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[[WMG: Alvin and Stoic Stoick are brothers]]



[[WMG: The reason the vikings don't wear as much fur in the series is...]]
* Because it's summer! In the movie we see that the vikings are preparing for winter but in the series time has passed. The reason the residents of berk aren't wearing as much fur as they did in the movie is simply because the series is set in either spring or summer, to warm to be wearing fur. Also it doesn't hurt that less fur means easier animation...

[[WMG: Alvin never existed until gobber made him up on the spot and his mind made him real.]]
Alvin is never mentioned before to anyone. Gobber lists him as a 'bad thing to happen' and suddenly a terrible reoccuring enemy is born.
Gobber has long-forgotten world-changing abilities.
* Jossed, unless its Retroactive

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[[WMG: The reason the vikings Vikings don't wear as much fur in the series is...]]
* Because it's summer! In the movie we see that the vikings Vikings are preparing for winter but in the series time has passed. The reason the residents of berk aren't wearing as much fur as they did in the movie is simply because the series is set in either spring or summer, to warm to be wearing fur. Also it doesn't hurt that less fur means easier animation...

[[WMG: Alvin never existed until gobber made him up on
animation...
* That's not
the spot case. In the series, there was a snowstorm, and his mind made him real.]]
Alvin
Hiccup said it was winter. In another one, there was a week long freeze. The reason they don't wear fur is never mentioned before due to anyone. Gobber lists him as a 'bad thing to happen' and suddenly a terrible reoccuring enemy is born.
Gobber has long-forgotten world-changing abilities.
* Jossed, unless its Retroactive
budget cuts.
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** Likely the Viking Games Olympics commercials, which set the year as 1010. I'd argue that it was STILL 1010 or possibly 1011 during Riders/Dragons, though.
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Either way it is unlikely that the Riders of Berk continuity will move beyond the second film, as much due to budget constraints and to prevent cannon discontinuity between the films which hold creative control, and the show (seeing as Alvin is not even mentioned once in the films). So season 3 will most likely focus on tying up all the B-conflicts, such as Alvin, as well as introducing new dragons who make appearances in the second film, alongside other important discoveries like the Tracker Class of Dragon. With this in mind it is also possible that any additional Seasons will be part a new working title under the Dragons Franchise, in order to distinguish itself as taking place between the events of the second and third films. Which will feature entirely new villains, story arcs, and even more new dragons.

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Either way it is unlikely that the Riders of Berk continuity will move beyond the second film, as much due to budget constraints and to prevent cannon discontinuity between the films films, which hold creative control, and the show (seeing as Alvin is not even mentioned once in the films). So season 3 will most likely focus on tying up all the B-conflicts, such as Alvin, as well as introducing new dragons who make appearances in the second film, alongside other important discoveries like the Tracker Class of Dragon. With this in mind it is also possible that any additional Seasons will be part a new working title under the Dragons Franchise, in order to distinguish itself as taking place between the events of the second and third films. Which will feature entirely new villains, story arcs, and even more new dragons.
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Either way it is unlikely that the Riders of Berk continuity will move beyond the second film, as much due to budget constraints and to prevent cannon discontinuity (seeing as Alvin is not even mentioned once in the films). So season 3 will most likely focus on tying up all the B-conflicts, such as Alvin, as well as introducing new dragons who make appearances in the second film, alongside other important discoveries like the Tracker Class of Dragon. With this in mind it is also possible that any additional Seasons will be part a new working title under the Dragons Franchise, in order to distinguish itself as taking place between the events of the second and third films. Which will feature entirely new villains, story arcs, and even more new dragons.

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Either way it is unlikely that the Riders of Berk continuity will move beyond the second film, as much due to budget constraints and to prevent cannon discontinuity between the films which hold creative control, and the show (seeing as Alvin is not even mentioned once in the films). So season 3 will most likely focus on tying up all the B-conflicts, such as Alvin, as well as introducing new dragons who make appearances in the second film, alongside other important discoveries like the Tracker Class of Dragon. With this in mind it is also possible that any additional Seasons will be part a new working title under the Dragons Franchise, in order to distinguish itself as taking place between the events of the second and third films. Which will feature entirely new villains, story arcs, and even more new dragons.
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[[WMG: Season 3 will likely focus on tying up loose conflicts and setting up the plot for the events of HTTYD2]]
Either way it is unlikely that the Riders of Berk continuity will move beyond the second film, as much due to budget constraints and to prevent discontinuity. So season 3 will most likely focus on tying up all the B-conflicts and threats such as Alvin, as well as introducing dragons who make appearances in the second film. It is also possible that any additional Seasons will be part a new title under the Dragons Franchise, in order to distinguish itself as taking place between the events of the second and third films. Which will feature entirely new villains, and you guessed it. Even more new dragons.

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[[WMG: Season 3 will likely focus on tying up loose conflicts ends and setting up the plot ready for the events of HTTYD2]]
the Second film]]
Either way it is unlikely that the Riders of Berk continuity will move beyond the second film, as much due to budget constraints and to prevent discontinuity. cannon discontinuity (seeing as Alvin is not even mentioned once in the films). So season 3 will most likely focus on tying up all the B-conflicts and threats B-conflicts, such as Alvin, as well as introducing new dragons who make appearances in the second film. It film, alongside other important discoveries like the Tracker Class of Dragon. With this in mind it is also possible that any additional Seasons will be part a new working title under the Dragons Franchise, in order to distinguish itself as taking place between the events of the second and third films. Which will feature entirely new villains, story arcs, and you guessed it. Even even more new dragons.
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With the 2015 airdate, it is very likely that the third season will instead be focusing on the time in-between the second and third movies, building up on plot points and character development from the second movie.

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With the 2015 airdate, it is very likely that the third season will instead be focusing on the time in-between the second and third movies, building up on plot points and character development from the second movie.movie.

[[WMG: Season 3 will likely focus on tying up loose conflicts and setting up the plot for the events of HTTYD2]]
Either way it is unlikely that the Riders of Berk continuity will move beyond the second film, as much due to budget constraints and to prevent discontinuity. So season 3 will most likely focus on tying up all the B-conflicts and threats such as Alvin, as well as introducing dragons who make appearances in the second film. It is also possible that any additional Seasons will be part a new title under the Dragons Franchise, in order to distinguish itself as taking place between the events of the second and third films. Which will feature entirely new villains, and you guessed it. Even more new dragons.

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[[WMG: The twins aren't as stupid as they act]]
While they seem to genuinely enjoy violence, pain, property damage, and explosions, and have Leeroy Jenkins tendancies, they are still competent dragon trainers and vikings. My guess is that they like the rractions they get from playing dumb. On top of that, they know each other so well that they can keep their tag-team improv comedy show going all day. This could explain their incredibly high number of Crowning Moment of Funny entries, as well as their constantly changing amount of apparent intelligence.

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[[WMG: The twins aren't as stupid as they act]]
act.]]
While they seem to genuinely enjoy violence, pain, property damage, and explosions, and have Leeroy Jenkins tendancies, they are still competent dragon trainers and vikings. My guess is that they like the rractions reactions they get from playing dumb. On top of that, they know each other so well that they can keep their tag-team improv comedy show going all day. This could explain their incredibly high number of Crowning Moment of Funny entries, as well as their constantly changing amount of apparent intelligence.
intelligence.

Other related theories:
*Each twin seems to specialize in a different type of humor. Ruffnut normally goes for slapstick physical comedy, while Tuffnut prefers to misinterpret what is said to him.
*They keep up the act as a coping mechanisim in tense situations, like Hiccup and his snark.
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[[WMG: The twins aren't as stupid as they act]]
While they seem to genuinely enjoy violence, pain, property damage, and explosions, and have Leeroy Jenkins tendancies, they are still competent dragon trainers and vikings. My guess is that they like the rractions they get from playing dumb. On top of that, they know each other so well that they can keep their tag-team improv comedy show going all day. This could explain their incredibly high number of Crowning Moment of Funny entries, as well as their constantly changing amount of apparent intelligence.
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[[WMG: Thornado will eventually return to Berk to be with Stoic after the thunderdrum hatchlings are old enough to fend for themselves.]]

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[[WMG: Thornado will eventually return to Berk to be with Stoic after the thunderdrum hatchlings are old enough to fend for themselves.]]]]

[[WMG: Season 3 of the show will be in-between the second and third movies]]
With the 2015 airdate, it is very likely that the third season will instead be focusing on the time in-between the second and third movies, building up on plot points and character development from the second movie.
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** Out of curiosity, where did you get 1013 from?
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* ''Frozen'' took place in the early 1800s and DOB is set in 1013. You don't freeze backward in time.

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* ''Frozen'' ''{{Disney/Frozen}}'' took place in the early 1800s and DOB Dragons is set in 1013. You don't freeze backward in time.
** [[CrowningMomentOfFunny Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!]] That made my day!

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[[WMG: Alvin is the Hiccup figure a generation ago]]
The Village had done him wrong for having his own way of fighting, while Stoick is the traditional one of the two.




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* ''Frozen'' took place in the early 1800s and DOB is set in 1013. You don't freeze backward in time.
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* It'll probably be season 3. The way this season wrapped up was obviously to allow it to fit into the second film fairly easily, so season 3 will probably jump ahead to after the film.
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* [[spoiler: Jossed. However, they were extremely close friends during their younger years. It seems that Alvin filled a Snotlout role of sorts during Stoic's youth.]]




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* Jossed, unless its Retroactive




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* [[spoiler: Jossed for Defenders; Hiccup instead helps it find its mother on Outcast Island.]]




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** And if it wasn't confirmed then, it was in Part 2 where Dagur intends to make Toothless the new symbol of the Berserkers.
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He DID stab a picture of a Night Fury. He might want to kill Toothless in a "you took my thing, I'll take yours" kind of deal. Well, the best way to get an enemy is through their heart.....

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He DID stab a picture of a Night Fury. He might want to kill Toothless in a "you took my thing, I'll take yours" kind of deal. Well, the best way to get an enemy is through their heart.....
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* Pretty much confirmed as of "Cast Out, Part 1", if not explicitly.



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** * Confirmed.

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