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21st Nov '17 8:38:23 AM dotchan
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(The line of "succession", as it were, went like this: King Vegeta -> Freeza -> Goku -> Cell -> Gohan -> Buu -> Goku.)

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(The line of "succession", as it were, went like this: King Vegeta -> Freeza -> Goku Future Trunks -> Cell -> Gohan -> Buu -> Goku.Goku -> Beerus.)
21st Nov '17 8:06:21 AM dotchan
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[[WMG: Alternatively, Saiyans only recognize AuthorityEqualsAsskicking and Goku is King by right of conquest]]

(The line of "succession", as it were, went like this: King Vegeta -> Freeza -> Goku -> Cell -> Gohan -> Buu -> Goku.)

Early on, Vegeta called himself the Prince because he really did want the throne and was actively working to defeat and/or kill Goku. Eventually CharacterDevelopment settled in, but he kept the title out of habit/pride, though eventually he dropped it altogether.
24th Oct '17 11:24:48 PM RJ-19-CLOVIS-93
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[[WMG: Dr Gero designed Cell [[AndThenWhat with no actual purpose]]. ]]
[[TooCleverByHalf For a brilliant inventor he's remarkably absent-minded in things]], [[TheDogBitesBack particularly the android twins]]. Due to his pride as a MadScientist he felt creating the UltimateLifeform and ultimate fighter [[ForScience would be a great scientific achievement]] [[HumanResources even at the murder of thousands]], it's just his RevengeBeforeReason mindset led him to not think ahead of "prove to everyone, especially Goku, I'm better than them". While he may have had a goal eventually, he was killed by the androids before he could think it up or right it down. The reason Cell is so unhinged is because he was never given a directive beyond becoming perfect. Once he achieved that, there was nothing for him to do but listen to his instincts; [[BloodKnight the Saiyan instinct to fight]], [[{{Sadist}} and Frieza's sadism]]. Oh sure, Cell ''claims'' Dr Gero made him [[OmnicidalManiac to be the end of all things]], but asides from saying this [[SanitySlippage after getting a screw loose]] from his near-death encounter, any admiration he has of the man is solely [[{{Narcissist}} the fact his research led up to him]]. It's not like he cares about his other inventions or the Red Ribbon Army, and may not be aware of any android besides the ones he's meant to absorb. Had Dr Gero survived the androids long enough to meet Cell, he'd probably kill him shortly after becoming perfect out of outrage for having no greater plan to him.

27th Sep '17 9:00:11 PM ShinF
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Omega Shenron's power was stated to be able to eventually, over time, destroy the entire universe through the spreading of his negative energy. That puts him at low-end universe-busting, considering he could do it, but it would take a long time. [=SSJ4=] Gogeta utterly eclipsed him in power, though, such that he couldn't even see or sense his movements unless Gogeta wanted him to. It stand to reason, then, that [=SSJ4=] Gogeta is definitely above low-to-mid-tier universe-busting in power, possibly even high-end considering just how huge the gap was. One of Super Saiyan God Goku's first major feats? Nearly destroying the whole universe in just three clashing punches. The scaling lines up pretty well!

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Omega Shenron's power was stated to be able to eventually, over time, destroy the entire universe through the spreading of his negative energy. That puts him at low-end universe-busting, considering he could do it, but it would take a long time. [=SSJ4=] Gogeta utterly eclipsed him in power, though, such that he couldn't even see or sense his movements unless Gogeta wanted him to. It stand stands to reason, then, that [=SSJ4=] Gogeta is definitely above low-to-mid-tier universe-busting in power, possibly even high-end considering just how huge the gap was. One of Super Saiyan God Goku's first major feats? Nearly destroying the whole universe in just three clashing punches. The scaling lines up pretty well!
27th Sep '17 8:58:51 PM ShinF
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[[WMG: SSJ4 Gogeta's hair was red because he was at or approaching godly power]]

Omega Shenron's power was stated to be able to eventually, over time, destroy the entire universe through the spreading of his negative energy. That puts him at low-end universe-busting, considering he could do it, but it would take a long time. SSJ4 Gogeta utterly eclipsed him in power, though, such that he couldn't even see or sense his movements unless Gogeta wanted him to. It stand to reason, then, that SSJ4 Gogeta is definitely above low-to-mid-tier universe-busting in power, possibly even high-end considering just how huge the gap was. One of Super Saiyan God Goku's first major feats? Nearly destroying the whole universe in just three clashing punches. The scaling lines up pretty well!

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[[WMG: SSJ4 [=SSJ4=] Gogeta's hair was red because he was at or approaching godly power]]

Omega Shenron's power was stated to be able to eventually, over time, destroy the entire universe through the spreading of his negative energy. That puts him at low-end universe-busting, considering he could do it, but it would take a long time. SSJ4 [=SSJ4=] Gogeta utterly eclipsed him in power, though, such that he couldn't even see or sense his movements unless Gogeta wanted him to. It stand to reason, then, that SSJ4 [=SSJ4=] Gogeta is definitely above low-to-mid-tier universe-busting in power, possibly even high-end considering just how huge the gap was. One of Super Saiyan God Goku's first major feats? Nearly destroying the whole universe in just three clashing punches. The scaling lines up pretty well!
27th Sep '17 8:55:45 PM ShinF
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[[WMG: SSJ4 Gogeta's hair was red because he was at or approaching godly power]]

Omega Shenron's power was stated to be able to eventually, over time, destroy the entire universe through the spreading of his negative energy. That puts him at low-end universe-busting, considering he could do it, but it would take a long time. SSJ4 Gogeta utterly eclipsed him in power, though, such that he couldn't even see or sense his movements unless Gogeta wanted him to. It stand to reason, then, that SSJ4 Gogeta is definitely above low-to-mid-tier universe-busting in power, possibly even high-end considering just how huge the gap was. One of Super Saiyan God Goku's first major feats? Nearly destroying the whole universe in just three clashing punches. The scaling lines up pretty well!
24th Sep '17 12:12:00 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: Vegeta is [[BigTimeRush Kendal's]] dad.]]

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[[WMG: Vegeta is [[BigTimeRush [[Series/BigTimeRush Kendal's]] dad.]]
31st Aug '17 10:34:35 AM HalcyonDayz
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Just as there are no mistakes in martial arts, there are no mistakes in martial arts anime/cartoons apparently. If Vegito/Gogeta were to appear in BOG then it would be just another "turn the tables around curbstomp retaliation" like the battle against Buu or even the ending in non-canon movie "Fusion Reborn" or the appearance of [=SSJ4=] Gogeta in the non-canon franchise gt. Even though it would of been [[CaptainObvious really satisfying seeing another appearance from Vegito or even the first canon appearance of Gogeta beat the shit out of a villian that thinks their invincible such as beerus]],that would of defeated the point of the film hence its name "battle of GODS". If Goku and Vegeta did fuse(then of course beat the shit out of Beerus and Whis) that would take up all of the creative room that was meant to introduce the new saiyan transformation(ssjgod). It's clear that Akira regrets ending the series after the Majin Buu saga and that's why there's Gt, a couple of DBZmovies after the Buu saga, and let's not forget the shitload of dbz video games including that online DBZ games. So he decides to make a movie about the series even going as far as introducing a new saiyan transformation into it, he's pretty much trying to pull the series out of retirement (not cancellation), and to add to that there is a new DBZ movie coming out in 2015. While some fans are in denial in the face that Vegito is stronger than Beerus here's this. Vegito beat Buu(han) and Super was more or less equal to [=SSJ3=] Goku plus he had Goten, Trunks, Piccolo and Ultimate Gohan who was way stronger than Vegeta (Before BOG in which he got that rage boost against Beerus) seeing as he completely dominated super Buu before he started assimilating people so if you're going to be all mathematical about this shit, Buuhan after absorbing all of those people should of kicked Vegito's ass not the other way around. The reason being because Vegito got a power boost from the earrings also an additional power boost because Goku and Vegeta were rivals as stated by Elder Kai. So Vegito is going to have a hell of a lot more power than just Goku and Vegeta otherwise he wouldn't of been able to defeat Majin Buu but completely dominate him as well. For those fans who are still feeling "skeptical" about the subject Beerus can't defeat ssj1 Vegito/Gogeta, let's just be generous and say Beerus can defeat [=SSJ1=] Vegito/Gogeta, but is it possible for beerus to defeat [=SSJ2=] or even [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill SSJ3 Vegito Gogeta]]? Point proven.

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Just as there are no mistakes in martial arts, there are no mistakes in martial arts anime/cartoons apparently. If Vegito/Gogeta were to appear in BOG then it would be just another "turn the tables around curbstomp retaliation" like the battle against Buu or even the ending in non-canon movie "Fusion Reborn" or the appearance of [=SSJ4=] Gogeta in the non-canon franchise gt. Even though it would of been [[CaptainObvious really satisfying seeing another appearance from Vegito or even the first canon appearance of Gogeta beat the shit out of a villian that thinks their invincible such as beerus]],that would of defeated the point of the film hence its name "battle of GODS". If Goku and Vegeta did fuse(then of course beat the shit out of Beerus and Whis) that would take up all of the creative room that was meant to introduce the new saiyan transformation(ssjgod). It's clear that Akira regrets ending the series after the Majin Buu saga and that's why there's Gt, a couple of DBZmovies after the Buu saga, and let's not forget the shitload of dbz video games including that online DBZ games. So he decides to make a movie about the series even going as far as introducing a new saiyan transformation into it, he's pretty much trying to pull the series out of retirement (not cancellation), and to add to that there is a new DBZ movie coming out in 2015. While some fans are in denial in the face that Vegito is stronger than Beerus here's this. Vegito beat Buu(han) and Super was more or less equal to [=SSJ3=] Goku plus he had Goten, Trunks, Piccolo and Ultimate Gohan who was way stronger than Vegeta (Before BOG in which he got that rage boost against Beerus) seeing as he completely dominated super Buu before he started assimilating people so if you're going to be all mathematical about this shit, Buuhan after absorbing all of those people should of kicked Vegito's ass not the other way around. The reason being because Vegito got a power boost from the earrings also an additional power boost because Goku and Vegeta were rivals as stated by Elder Kai. So Vegito is going to have a hell of a lot more power than just Goku and Vegeta otherwise he wouldn't of been able to defeat Majin Buu but completely dominate him as well. For those fans who are still feeling "skeptical" about the subject Beerus can't defeat ssj1 Vegito/Gogeta, let's just be generous and say Beerus can defeat [=SSJ1=] Vegito/Gogeta, but is it possible for beerus to defeat [=SSJ2=] or even [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill SSJ3 [=SSJ3=] Vegito Gogeta]]? Point proven.



Ok there have been a crap ton of debates of whether this godly ki makes you immune to normal ki and this Vegito couldn't hurt Beerus even if he went SSj3 so it's about time end it. Before I state out the obvious answer let me just put out everything that all DBZ fans so know because the obvious really isn't so obvious to those who just don't want(emphasis on want) to see the truth). Just to be generous to you Beerus fans I am not going to include the Kaios including King Kai and say that they fit in the God category considering the fact that they were able to sense Beerus's awakening and only those with "Godly" ki can sense others with it and the fact that Cell a normal ki user was able to kill him. During the Buu saga right around the time Elder Kai got released from the Z-sword, Elder Kai stated directly that the guy who sealed him up in there(Beerus) was not as strong as Majin Buu which is funny because of this "normal ki can't hurt godly ki" nonsense. If that were true why did elder kai(a KAIOSHIN by the way) state that Beerus was not as strong as majin buu during the time he sealed him up in the Z-sword? Another instance is when Vegeta was pummeling Beerus. Beerus said that normal ki has NO affect what so ever on Godly ki, however when Vegeta overcame his fear of Beerus and also got mad he not only surpassed Goku(who was at ssj3) but was able to harm Beerus, even though he didn't do any major damage to him or leave any ugly marks on him he was still able to cause him pain hence him whincing and even spitting up a small amount of blood. Now let's not get distracted by Vegeta's amazing feat of strength and get right back to the subject shall we? Beerus said that normal ki can't do nothing to a god ki user and later on in the movie this little so called "fact" is proven obsolete. Yes Beerus was holding back a great amount of power when Vegeta was beating him up but that's besides the point. Vegeta was still able to hurt him without the use of godly ki. Now if Beerus said that normal ki has little, ALMOST no effect on a godly ki user or something similar to that now that would be a whole different story, but judging by Vegeta's little fit Beerus was wrong. Now if what beerus said was true then the battle between enraged Vegeta and a heavily surpressed Beerus should of went something like Hercule versus Majin buu or something because hey a normal Ki user would have NO effect on a godly ki user. The reason why Beerus was able to kick everyone's arse was for the simple fact that he was that much stronger than him. Vegito(base) or hell even Buuhan could did everything Beerus did. Now what I will say is that a single Godly ki is more powerful than a singular unit of normal ki and this is how. Akira Toriyama stated that Golden Frieza has a power level of 100 quintillion; notice how he didn't mention godly ki Akira just gave a number just like any other power level, and after Goku lost his God form and he was fighting Beerus with regular ki Beerus said that "he absorbed that transformation into his body that's why his power level didn't DECREASE DRASTICALLY"(watch the movie), not Oh you still have some of your God ki. Think of God Ki as the American dollar and normal Ki as Pesos. America's richer than Mexico right not because it uses a different form of currency but because it's currency is worth more right(1 dollar equals 7 pesos or something like that), or when the Z-team was in Babidi's spaceship and there power level was measured in Kili's instead of the scouters unit of power measurement. So think of God ki as premium fuel and normal Ki as regular. Another instance is when Goku was fighting Beerus and he was annoyed because he said he was fighing with his FRIENDS POWER NOT HIS, he didn't say anything about Godly ki. When Goku went SSjgod he pretty much did the same thing Buuhan did but the only differences are that Goku had Vegeta and an unborn fetus if that counts for anything, and that Goku had his energy converted into a different unit of power instead of just having a ton of normal ki hence why Krillin couldn't sense him. So saying SSj God Goku is stronger than Vegito is like saying Buuhan is stronger than Vegito and we all remember Vegito destroying him.

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Ok there have been a crap ton of debates of whether this godly ki makes you immune to normal ki and this Vegito couldn't hurt Beerus even if he went SSj3 [=SSJ3=] so it's about time end it. Before I state out the obvious answer let me just put out everything that all DBZ fans so know because the obvious really isn't so obvious to those who just don't want(emphasis on want) to see the truth). Just to be generous to you Beerus fans I am not going to include the Kaios including King Kai and say that they fit in the God category considering the fact that they were able to sense Beerus's awakening and only those with "Godly" ki can sense others with it and the fact that Cell a normal ki user was able to kill him. During the Buu saga right around the time Elder Kai got released from the Z-sword, Elder Kai stated directly that the guy who sealed him up in there(Beerus) was not as strong as Majin Buu which is funny because of this "normal ki can't hurt godly ki" nonsense. If that were true why did elder kai(a KAIOSHIN by the way) state that Beerus was not as strong as majin buu during the time he sealed him up in the Z-sword? Another instance is when Vegeta was pummeling Beerus. Beerus said that normal ki has NO affect what so ever on Godly ki, however when Vegeta overcame his fear of Beerus and also got mad he not only surpassed Goku(who was at ssj3) [=SSJ3=]) but was able to harm Beerus, even though he didn't do any major damage to him or leave any ugly marks on him he was still able to cause him pain hence him whincing and even spitting up a small amount of blood. Now let's not get distracted by Vegeta's amazing feat of strength and get right back to the subject shall we? Beerus said that normal ki can't do nothing to a god ki user and later on in the movie this little so called "fact" is proven obsolete. Yes Beerus was holding back a great amount of power when Vegeta was beating him up but that's besides the point. Vegeta was still able to hurt him without the use of godly ki. Now if Beerus said that normal ki has little, ALMOST no effect on a godly ki user or something similar to that now that would be a whole different story, but judging by Vegeta's little fit Beerus was wrong. Now if what beerus said was true then the battle between enraged Vegeta and a heavily surpressed Beerus should of went something like Hercule versus Majin buu or something because hey a normal Ki user would have NO effect on a godly ki user. The reason why Beerus was able to kick everyone's arse was for the simple fact that he was that much stronger than him. Vegito(base) or hell even Buuhan could did everything Beerus did. Now what I will say is that a single Godly ki is more powerful than a singular unit of normal ki and this is how. Akira Toriyama stated that Golden Frieza has a power level of 100 quintillion; notice how he didn't mention godly ki Akira just gave a number just like any other power level, and after Goku lost his God form and he was fighting Beerus with regular ki Beerus said that "he absorbed that transformation into his body that's why his power level didn't DECREASE DRASTICALLY"(watch the movie), not Oh you still have some of your God ki. Think of God Ki as the American dollar and normal Ki as Pesos. America's richer than Mexico right not because it uses a different form of currency but because it's currency is worth more right(1 dollar equals 7 pesos or something like that), or when the Z-team was in Babidi's spaceship and there power level was measured in Kili's instead of the scouters unit of power measurement. So think of God ki as premium fuel and normal Ki as regular. Another instance is when Goku was fighting Beerus and he was annoyed because he said he was fighing with his FRIENDS POWER NOT HIS, he didn't say anything about Godly ki. When Goku went SSjgod he pretty much did the same thing Buuhan did but the only differences are that Goku had Vegeta and an unborn fetus if that counts for anything, and that Goku had his energy converted into a different unit of power instead of just having a ton of normal ki hence why Krillin couldn't sense him. So saying SSj God Goku is stronger than Vegito is like saying Buuhan is stronger than Vegito and we all remember Vegito destroying him.



Buff Buu is stated to be what happened when Kid Buu absorbed the South Supreme Kai, but many fans were confused about the default Super Buu form. I believe it to be the closest thing to Buff Buu, just after countless years of having been supressed by the Fat Buu personality. Like the South Supreme Kai Super Buu seems to be quite muscular (though not as much as when the Buff Buu personality is fully expressed), and has slightly greater intellect than Fat Buu or Kid Buu. He also seems to be primarily concerned with battle and challenges; the South Supreme Kai appeared to be a warrior of some sort. When Fat Buu lost the battle and was reabsorbed, it allowed the Buff Buu personality out and gave it access to its former aspect's power. When Fat Buu is removed, Super Buu briefly assumes the form of Buff Buu. So really Super Buu is just Kid Buu + South Supreme Kai + Grant Supreme Kai. The power of Buu plus some of the muscles and combat personality of the South Supreme Kai. If Buu had never absorbed the Supreme Kai, he would have eventually digested the South Supreme Kai and completely absorbed all his aspects and the result would be something similar to Super Buu in personality and appearance.

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Buff Buu is stated to be what happened when Kid Buu absorbed the South Supreme Kai, but many fans were confused about the default Super Buu form. I believe it to be the closest thing to Buff Buu, just after countless years of having been supressed suppressed by the Fat Buu personality. Like the South Supreme Kai Super Buu seems to be quite muscular (though not as much as when the Buff Buu personality is fully expressed), and has slightly greater intellect than Fat Buu or Kid Buu. He also seems to be primarily concerned with battle and challenges; the South Supreme Kai appeared to be a warrior of some sort. When Fat Buu lost the battle and was reabsorbed, it allowed the Buff Buu personality out and gave it access to its former aspect's power. When Fat Buu is removed, Super Buu briefly assumes the form of Buff Buu. So really Super Buu is just Kid Buu + South Supreme Kai + Grant Supreme Kai. The power of Buu plus some of the muscles and combat personality of the South Supreme Kai. If Buu had never absorbed the Supreme Kai, he would have eventually digested the South Supreme Kai and completely absorbed all his aspects and the result would be something similar to Super Buu in personality and appearance.
30th Aug '17 5:07:22 AM Frishman
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* As a followup to this, Super Saiyan Blue has no actual connection to Super Saiyan God beyond both forms' use of godly ki. The former is achieved when a Saiyan transforms into a Super Saiyan by using godly ki instead of normal ki, thus turning him into a mortal with godly ki (and explaining why it's so damn stressful on the body; it's doubtful that mortals are supposed to be able to "wrap" themselves in the power of a god); while the latter actually turns the Saiyan into a full-fledged god.
21st Aug '17 7:07:41 PM twingle93
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[[Super Buu and Evil Buu were aspects of Buff Buu that had been otherwise suppressed after Kid Buu absorbed the Grand Supreme Kai]]

Buff Buu is stated to be what happened when Kid Buu absorbed the South Supreme Kai, but many fans were confused about the default Super Buu form. I believe it to be the closest thing to Buff Buu, just after countless years of having been supressed by the Fat Buu personality. Like the South Supreme Kai Super Buu seems to be quite muscular (though not as much as when the Buff Buu personality is fully expressed), and has slightly greater intellect than Fat Buu or Kid Buu. He also seems to be primarily concerned with battle and challenges; the South Supreme Kai appeared to be a warrior of some sort. When Fat Buu lost the battle and was reabsorbed, it allowed the Buff Buu personality out and gave it access to its former aspect's power. When Fat Buu is removed, Super Buu briefly assumes the form of Buff Buu. So really Super Buu is just Kid Buu + South Supreme Kai + Grant Supreme Kai. The power of Buu plus some of the muscles and combat personality of the South Supreme Kai.

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[[Super [[WMG: Super Buu and Evil Buu were aspects of Buff Buu that had been otherwise suppressed after Kid Buu absorbed the Grand Supreme Kai]]

Buff Buu is stated to be what happened when Kid Buu absorbed the South Supreme Kai, but many fans were confused about the default Super Buu form. I believe it to be the closest thing to Buff Buu, just after countless years of having been supressed by the Fat Buu personality. Like the South Supreme Kai Super Buu seems to be quite muscular (though not as much as when the Buff Buu personality is fully expressed), and has slightly greater intellect than Fat Buu or Kid Buu. He also seems to be primarily concerned with battle and challenges; the South Supreme Kai appeared to be a warrior of some sort. When Fat Buu lost the battle and was reabsorbed, it allowed the Buff Buu personality out and gave it access to its former aspect's power. When Fat Buu is removed, Super Buu briefly assumes the form of Buff Buu. So really Super Buu is just Kid Buu + South Supreme Kai + Grant Supreme Kai. The power of Buu plus some of the muscles and combat personality of the South Supreme Kai.
Kai. If Buu had never absorbed the Supreme Kai, he would have eventually digested the South Supreme Kai and completely absorbed all his aspects and the result would be something similar to Super Buu in personality and appearance.
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