History WMG / DragonBall

7th Apr '18 9:39:45 PM nombretomado
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* To make the guess more wild, it's likely that earth suffered a Dark age at some point when humanity degraded to a much lower level of civilization due to some apocalypse (or a World war between bloodthirsty ancient human ancestors). Some humans escaped and traveled to planet Vegeta, [[LostTechnology lost touch with their home civilization]] and themselves degraded to the Stone age in their attempt to adapt to the harsh conditions on the new planet. The native Tuffles too could have inflicted heavy losses against these humans, destroyed whatever tech they had and forced them into the wild where they struggled to survive for a long long time (Reminds me of what happened in Larry Niven's {{Ringworld}}). Over time humans on earth again became technologically advanced and evolved to lose their tails and their fighting genes (Super Saiyan genes became recessive to the point where they went vestigial). For Saiyans it was just the opposite. They adapted to the wild, over time probably forgot their own history and turned into savages and evolved into fighting machines under the 10x gravity and gained the ability to transform into apes and their Super Saiyan genes became dominant, but dormant. Thus humans split into two groups, but other than certain genes evolving to becoming dominant and others becoming vestigial, they are in fact the same species.

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* To make the guess more wild, it's likely that earth suffered a Dark age at some point when humanity degraded to a much lower level of civilization due to some apocalypse (or a World war between bloodthirsty ancient human ancestors). Some humans escaped and traveled to planet Vegeta, [[LostTechnology lost touch with their home civilization]] and themselves degraded to the Stone age in their attempt to adapt to the harsh conditions on the new planet. The native Tuffles too could have inflicted heavy losses against these humans, destroyed whatever tech they had and forced them into the wild where they struggled to survive for a long long time (Reminds me of what happened in Larry Niven's {{Ringworld}}).{{Literature/Ringworld}}). Over time humans on earth again became technologically advanced and evolved to lose their tails and their fighting genes (Super Saiyan genes became recessive to the point where they went vestigial). For Saiyans it was just the opposite. They adapted to the wild, over time probably forgot their own history and turned into savages and evolved into fighting machines under the 10x gravity and gained the ability to transform into apes and their Super Saiyan genes became dominant, but dormant. Thus humans split into two groups, but other than certain genes evolving to becoming dominant and others becoming vestigial, they are in fact the same species.
2nd Apr '18 5:26:23 AM Bosco13
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[[WMG: Super Saiyan run off a shared power source]]
Sorry if someone already said it. This page is a case of Too Long Didn't Read.
What I'm basically saying is that the less Saiyans there are, then the more likely they are to become super and vice versa.
It explains why there had only been one super Saiyan in thousands of years when they were a thriving race but now that they're near extinct they all can do it. Cabbage in Dragon Ball Super comes from a universe where Saiyans still thrive and has never heard of super Saiyans, but shortly after he's removed from his universe, he learns to transform.
29th Mar '18 12:00:12 AM RJ-19-CLOVIS-93
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[[WMG: Goku's survival is the reason why the androids were different from Trunks' timeline.]]
Goku got the heart virus six months later from the Cell and Trunks timelines, who died from it before the androids attacked. As for why, it could be that fighting King Cold and Frieza in those timelines somehow worsened his immune system to the virus. Dr Gero doesn't know about Super Saiyans, so the change couldn't have been from Future Trunks killing them. With Goku's death, Dr Gero felt comfortable being able to take on his friends as he was. He made Android 19 for this purpose, which is why he doesn't exist in Trunks' timeline. Since 19 apparently helped put his brain in Android 20's body, some other process must have done it in Trunks' timeline. This may have given 17 and 18 an opening to rebel earlier than was planned, which is why Future Trunks didn't know Dr Gero was an android-17 and 18 killed Gero right before he was ready to combat the Z-fighters. They also didn't bother opening 16's capsule, so he was never awakened or discovered in Trunks' timeline leading to his further confusion. Just in case 19 and him weren't enough for Goku, Gero made sure to upgrade 17 and 18 to be more powerful. Also make them less aggressive so they wouldn't go berserk and kill him. [[TheDogBitesBack They weren't berserk anymore, but had every reason to off him anyway]]. It's possible that Dr Gero also upgraded and altered Cell, so that when he emerged his genetic make-up, personality and power would've been modified. Present Cell would've been stronger than the Cell we know out of a response to Goku, just like Android 17 and 18...unfortunately for him, [[NiceJobFixingItVillain his counterpart revealed where he was developing]] and Future Trunks made sure he couldn't further develop. The stronger androids could have been problematic for the more well-known Cell because he'd be expecting weaker androids seeing as how he's weaker to a foe about the same strength as Present 17. Fortunately for him he got enough humans to eat so it becomes a moot point.
20th Mar '18 11:23:33 PM RJ-19-CLOVIS-93
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[[WMG: Namekians are among the oldest, if not ''the'' oldest race in the universe.]]
Old Kai apparently knew about the Dragonballs and warned the Namekians not to use them. Old Kai has been sealed for 75 million years, so either he has some psychic presence in the sword or the Namekians have been around a really long time. The more demonic offspring King Piccolo sires may not just be because of his demon powers, but some sort of genetic memory causing him to bring back evolutionary precursors of the current Namekians. Namek may not even be their original homeworld, and they migrate every few millennia or so when something bad happens. Guru's knowledge of the original Super Saiyan and Saiyan history could hint at either interaction with the two races through interstellar travel, or his generation's Namekians were from a nearby planet before moving to Namek. However the near-extinctions(the last one so severe Guru was the only survivor left on Namek) and the massive breadths of time has destroyed most of the historical records, and they've long forgotten their history. Only the Kaioshins have been around enough to know this. New Namek is one of their former homeworlds, having had millions of years to recover from what kicked them off in the first place, which is why they adapt to it so easily.
6th Mar '18 8:41:05 PM RJ-19-CLOVIS-93
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[[WMG: King Cold can transform. It's just that he doesn't need to.]]
Even in his "second" form, King Cold is described as being similar in power to Frieza. Consider that Frieza's second form is ''far'' weaker than his true form, and it's stated that Cold is in general slightly weaker than Frieza. [[NoNonsenseNemesis Someone like Cold should transform immediately after seeing Frieza die]] if it gives him a significant boost in power, however it's unlikely that the horned form is his "true" form since Frieza was apparently reproduced asexually by Cold and the other canon member of their race(Frost) follows similar transforming conventions to Frieza. So King Cold's normal form shouldn't be the horned form. So what gives? Frieza states the different forms were an attempt to control his power. Since Cold is older and more experienced, he has long since learned to control his forms and doesn't need them as power suppressants. Transformation doesn't increase or decrease his power at this point, if Cold did it would just be a waste of time in combat. Why does he choose the horned form? First, intimidation. He's naturally huge, so making himself even larger and demonic-looking would benefit him. Second, it helps distinguish himself from his son. The latter is probably the out-of-universe reason Akira Toriyama made Cold after his son's second form. Of course, since Frieza is likely a clone of his father(due to being asexually reproduced) King Cold could train and get a form that actually benefits him, however the Frieza clan are BrilliantButLazy and the Pilaf Gang wishblocked Sorbet and Tagoma.
26th Feb '18 5:07:21 PM RJ-19-CLOVIS-93
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[[WMG: Future Trunks is misinformed about how Bulma and Yamcha broke up.]]
The idea that Yamcha cheated on her seems implausible given she's the one who jumps to conclusions when women are interested in him, plus when we see them in the Android saga and afterwards [[AmicableExes Bulma and Yamcha seem to be on good terms]]. Keep in mind this is after the guy who ordered his death got her pregnant, so there can't be much bitterness between them. Future Trunks has a skewed perception of his father, [[BrokenPedestal and was let down by how much of a prick he was]] ([[RebuiltPedestal until he started becoming a better man]]). He'd also be biased to Bulma who wouldn't want to mention she often flirted with other men. Because of his bias [[HeroicBastard and is implied to be born out of a casual fling]], he assumed something bad must've happened between the two for what led to his conception. The ladies' man might even come from Future Yamcha becoming a playboy in the short time after the break-up but before the androids kill him. Future Bulma went along with Trunks' assertions, probably because [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys she doesn't want to admit she got knocked up by a scumbag]](also why she whitewashes Vegeta). As for Goku, [[MistakenForCheating he assumes Yamcha did cheat on Bulam]], it's just not his nature or business to interfere.
18th Feb '18 3:51:57 AM EDP
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[[WMG: Goku got the idea of mastering Super Saiyan from Gohan's troubles with the form.]]
During their training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, Gohan was staying into SSJ a lot by himself and having trouble dialing his ki blasts down enough for the little things such as roasting some meat. As he helped him refine his control, Goku noted that Gohan was slowly becoming better as a SSJ in general... And, being a fighting and training genius, Goku realized what it would lead to.
23rd Jan '18 12:20:21 AM RJ-19-CLOVIS-93
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[[WMG: Cell killed Future Trunks to get back at him for future events.]]
Hence why he targeted him out instead of Gohan, Vegeta or someone else. A version of Trunks was responsible for him having to go back in time in the first place by deactivating the androids. Since absorbing them and becoming perfect is literally Cell's meaning in life and would have remaining unable to fulfill such meaning if it weren't for Trunks' time machine, chances are he hates him more than any other of the Z-Fighters, or at least until Gohan humiliated him. Of the people to kill in order to make his entrance as Super Perfect Cell, he chose Trunks instead of anyone else because he still holds a grudge over the one from his timeline and wants him dead again before anyone else. It's possible he strangled the Trunks of his timeline to death instead of just ki blasting him because he wanted his death to be extra-painful for initially ruining his life.
25th Dec '17 10:08:56 PM RJ-19-CLOVIS-93
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[[WMG: Old Kai isn't naturally a DirtyOldMan, it's the fusion's fault.]]
He's perverted because of the witch he fused with, not because of RuleOfFunny. While the Kai side was obviously dominant given he looks like an elderly Kai and isn't intersexed, he did inherit her elderly appearance(though due to time passing, it might fit his actual age now) so he might have inherited some of her personality traits. Kais and Kaioshin, being born from fruit, probably don't have or need much of a sex drive. That came from the mortal witch, which is why Shin was confused at his perverted behavior despite most non-villainous old men having some perversions; Kai can't naturally be perverted.
21st Nov '17 8:38:23 AM dotchan
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(The line of "succession", as it were, went like this: King Vegeta -> Freeza -> Goku -> Cell -> Gohan -> Buu -> Goku.)

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(The line of "succession", as it were, went like this: King Vegeta -> Freeza -> Goku Future Trunks -> Cell -> Gohan -> Buu -> Goku.Goku -> Beerus.)
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