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* According to the ''Worlds Apart'' game, [[spoiler:he was actually a member of the Division who came from Gallifrey, becoming disillusioned with the group]].
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* I have a theory, it's out there, but then this page is called '''wild''' mass guessing; Ashilder, in the dying days of the universe, made her way to gallifrey, somewhere down the line she lost some of her journals, of note, the ones warning her not to have children, and, as all life in the universe wasn't gone yet, she met someone (''probably'' not Jack) on the ruined gallifrey, and they had a child, and once the child was born, she wanted to save the child from the impending collapse of the universe. Now until 12 and Clara showed up in what would become the Diner!TARDIS, there were no TARDISes left on Gallifrey, but she was able to find a Time Scoop, which she intended to use to superman he child back into the past, to live a full life in a universe that wasn't dying. However, unbenkownst to her, the scoop broke down, exposing the child to the energies of the time vortex, which mutated the child into the Timeless Child, and she ended up in the body we saw in the flashback, dropping into the wormhole becasue it happens to break through the vortex. This ties one controversial Doctor origin to another controversial Doctor origin, as the Doctor would be [[Recap/DoctorWhoTVMTheTVMovie human on his mother's side]].

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* I have a theory, it's out there, but then this page is called '''wild''' mass guessing; Ashilder, in the dying days of the universe, made her way to gallifrey, somewhere down the line she lost some of her journals, of note, the ones warning her not to have children, and, as all life in the universe wasn't gone yet, she met someone (''probably'' not Jack) on the ruined gallifrey, and they had a child, and once the child was born, she wanted to save the child from the impending collapse of the universe. Now until 12 and Clara showed up in what would become the Diner!TARDIS, there were no TARDISes [=TARDISes=] left on Gallifrey, but she was able to find a Time Scoop, which she intended to use to superman he child back into the past, to live a full life in a universe that wasn't dying. However, unbenkownst to her, the scoop broke down, exposing the child to the energies of the time vortex, which mutated the child into the Timeless Child, and she ended up in the body we saw in the flashback, dropping into the wormhole becasue it happens to break through the vortex. This ties one controversial Doctor origin to another controversial Doctor origin, as the Doctor would be [[Recap/DoctorWhoTVMTheTVMovie human on his mother's side]].
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* I have a theory, it's out there, but then this page is called '''wild''' mass guessing; Ashilder, in the dying days of the universe, made her way to gallifrey, somewhere down the line she lost some of her journals, of note, the ones warning her not to have children, and, as all life in the universe wasn't gone yet, she met someone (''probably'' not Jack) on the ruined gallifrey, and they had a child, and once the child was born, she wanted to save the child from the impending collapse of the universe. Now until 12 and Clara showed up in what would become the Diner!TARDIS, there were no TARDISes left on Gallifrey, but she was able to find a Time Scoop, which she intended to use to superman he child back into the past, to live a full life in a universe that wasn't dying. However, unbenkownst to her, the scoop broke down, exposing the child to the energies of the time vortex, which mutated the child into the Timeless Child, and she ended up in the body we saw in the flashback, dropping into the wormhole becasue it happens to break through the vortex. This ties one controversial Doctor origin to another controversial Doctor origin, as the Doctor would be [[Recap/DoctorWhoTVMTheTVMovie human on his mother's side]].
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His last two regenerations (last three, if you count [[AudioPlay/BigFinishDoctorWho]] Big Finish Audio as canon) were killed by earlier or later versions of themselves, and so the first thing the Spymaster did after he regenerated was to somehow prevent himself from being killed ''by'' themself again. By the time of "The Timeless Children", he clearly wants to die—and he's gone and prevented himself from doing anything proactive to make it happen.

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His last two regenerations (last three, if you count [[AudioPlay/BigFinishDoctorWho]] [[AudioPlay/BigFinishDoctorWho Big Finish Audio Audio]] as canon) were killed by earlier or later versions of themselves, and so the first thing the Spymaster did after he regenerated was to somehow prevent himself from being killed ''by'' themself again. By the time of "The Timeless Children", he clearly wants to die—and he's gone and prevented himself from doing anything proactive to make it happen.
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[[WMG:The Master is a victim of ICannotSelfTerminate.]]
His last two regenerations (last three, if you count [[AudioPlay/BigFinishDoctorWho]] Big Finish Audio as canon) were killed by earlier or later versions of themselves, and so the first thing the Spymaster did after he regenerated was to somehow prevent himself from being killed ''by'' themself again. By the time of "The Timeless Children", he clearly wants to die—and he's gone and prevented himself from doing anything proactive to make it happen.
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Thus ArcWelding the "Timeless Child" and "the Doctor is the Other" stories. Whether it be StockholmSyndrome or a desire to make right Time Lord society from it's bloody origins, the Timeless Child served as the shadowy co-founder alongside Rassilon and Omega. It's possible they were reincarnated and what the Doctor seeing is PastLifeMemories, rather than erased memories, or maybe they just [[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E11Utopia pulled a War Master]] and regressed to an infant William Hartnell to hide. The Other is ShroudedInMyth because they would expose the AwfulTruth. If Tecteun is Rassilon as theorized, the Timeless Child/Other would have even more reason to hide.

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Thus ArcWelding the "Timeless Child" and "the Doctor is the Other" stories. Whether it be StockholmSyndrome UsefulNotes/StockholmSyndrome or a desire to make right Time Lord society from it's bloody origins, the Timeless Child served as the shadowy co-founder alongside Rassilon and Omega. It's possible they were reincarnated and what the Doctor seeing is PastLifeMemories, rather than erased memories, or maybe they just [[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E11Utopia pulled a War Master]] and regressed to an infant William Hartnell to hide. The Other is ShroudedInMyth because they would expose the AwfulTruth. If Tecteun is Rassilon as theorized, the Timeless Child/Other would have even more reason to hide.
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[[WMG:The Timeless Child originated from Pete's World.]]
Pete's World has no Doctor. Why? Because Pete's World's Doctor fell into N-Space.
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* Presumably the pre-regeneration Shobogan lifespan was the same as that of a single incarnation within a regeneration cycle, if the regeneration was caused by "old age" - several millennia.

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* Presumably the pre-regeneration Shobogan lifespan was the same as that of a single incarnation within a regeneration cycle, if the regeneration was caused by "old age" - several millennia.
a millenium or so.
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Tecteun, the first Gallifreyan to travel off-planet, apparently accomplished interstellar travel within her lifetime, which humanity is ''very'' far away from, if it is even physically possible. Assuming the first Gallifreyan spacecraft was as technologically advanced as the first Earth spacecraft (or even ''current'' Earth spacecraft), then Tecteun's journey must have spanned centuries or millenia. This just makes her experimentation on the Timeless Child so that the future Time Lords could accomplish regeneration all the more motivated by greed.

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Tecteun, the first Gallifreyan to travel off-planet, apparently accomplished interstellar travel within her lifetime, which humanity is ''very'' far away from, if it is even physically possible. Assuming the first Gallifreyan spacecraft was as technologically advanced as the first Earth spacecraft (or even ''current'' Earth spacecraft), then Tecteun's journey must have spanned centuries or millenia.millennia. This just makes her experimentation on the Timeless Child so that the future Time Lords could accomplish regeneration all the more motivated by greed.
* Presumably the pre-regeneration Shobogan lifespan was the same as that of a single incarnation within a regeneration cycle, if the regeneration was caused by "old age" - several millennia.



Tecteun was the first Gallifreyan to develop "space travel" and also to "[take] risks to explore the worlds and galaxies beyond [Gallifrey]". The definition of "space travel" for civilizations with a long history and high prevalence of interstellar/intergalactic travel could be different from the Earth definition of "space travel" - while Earth "space travel" is any manned travel beyond Earth's atmosphere, Gallifreyan "space travel" is Shoboganned travel beyond the orbit of Gallifrey's natural satellite(s) to another "world" (planet) at the very least. ("Another world" is more often used to mean another planet, than a moon.) Humans are yet to accomplish manned travel to the next planet from Earth, so presumably Tecteun's Gallifrey was already far more advanced than 20th-century (or even 21st-century) Earth. Presumably Shobogans before Tecteun had accomplished satellite launches, simple travel beyond Gallifrey's atmosphere, and travel to Gallifrey's moon(s) - Tecteun is not to Gallifrey what Yuri Gagarin is to Earth.

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Tecteun was the first Gallifreyan to develop "space travel" and also to "[take] risks to explore the worlds and galaxies beyond [Gallifrey]". The definition of "space travel" for civilizations with a long history and high prevalence of interstellar/intergalactic travel could be different from the Earth definition of "space travel" - while Earth "space travel" is any manned travel beyond Earth's atmosphere, Gallifreyan "space travel" is Shoboganned travel beyond the orbit of Gallifrey's natural satellite(s) to another "world" (planet) at the very least. ("Another world" is more often used to mean another planet, than a moon.) Humans are yet to accomplish manned travel to the next planet from Earth, so presumably Tecteun's Gallifrey was already far more advanced than 20th-century (or even 21st-century) Earth. Presumably Shobogans before Tecteun had accomplished satellite launches, simple travel beyond Gallifrey's atmosphere, and travel to Gallifrey's moon(s) - Tecteun is not to Gallifrey what Yuri Gagarin is to Earth.

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[[WMG: The Shobogans were already incredibly long-lived prior to Tecteun's discovery of regeneration/The history of Gallifreyan space travel]]
Tecteun was the first Gallifreyan to travel off-planet - making her Gallifrey's Yuri Gagarin. However, she apparently accomplished interstellar travel within her lifetime, which humanity is ''very'' far away from, if it is even physically possible. Assuming the first Gallifreyan spacecraft was as technologically advanced as the first Earth spacecraft (or even ''current'' Earth spacecraft), then Tecteun's journey must have spanned centuries or millenia. This just makes her experimentation on the Timeless Child so that the future Time Lords could accomplish regeneration all the more motivated by greed.
* Perhaps the Gallifreyans had developed hyperdrive by the time they started their first Shoboganned space exploration missions... when the first Gallifreyan travelled into space, Gallifrey could have already been much more technologically advanced than 20th-century Earth. The Gallifreyans just decided to send no-one into space for a really, really long time - they could have had no good reason to do it, or they decided they had to have some level of space travel technology sophistication before they should send anyone into space.

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the first Gallifreyan to travel off-planet - making her Gallifrey's Yuri Gagarin. However, she off-planet, apparently accomplished interstellar travel within her lifetime, which humanity is ''very'' far away from, if it is even physically possible. Assuming the first Gallifreyan spacecraft was as technologically advanced as the first Earth spacecraft (or even ''current'' Earth spacecraft), then Tecteun's journey must have spanned centuries or millenia. This just makes her experimentation on the Timeless Child so that the future Time Lords could accomplish regeneration all the more motivated by greed.
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[[WMG: On the contrary, Tecteun's Gallifrey, despite being "little regarded" and "sparsely populated", was already incredibly technologically advanced.]]
During the span between Tecteun's journey, discovery of the Timeless Child's regeneration, experimentation on the Timeless Child, and eventually giving herself regeneration, Tecteun visibly "grew older". Assuming that pre-regeneration Shobogans had similar lifespans to humans, Tecteun's interstellar round trip would have taken only a couple of years or decades at most, which would have involved space travel technology far beyond what we currently have.
* Perhaps the Gallifreyans had developed hyperdrive by the time they started their first Shoboganned space exploration missions... when the first Gallifreyan travelled into space, Gallifrey could have already been much more technologically advanced than 20th-century Earth. missions. The Gallifreyans just decided to send no-one into space for a really, really long time - they could have had no good reason to do it, or they decided they had to have some level of space travel technology sophistication (far beyond that of Earth at the time of sending the first human into space) before they should send anyone into space.



* Tecteun was the first Gallifreyan to develop "space travel" and to "[take] risks to explore the worlds and galaxies beyond [Gallifrey]". The Gallifreyan definition of "space travel" could be different from the Earth definition of "space travel" - while Earth "space travel" is any manned travel beyond Earth's atmosphere, Gallifreyan "space travel" is Shoboganned travel beyond the orbit of Gallifrey's natural satellite(s) to another "world" (planet) at the very least. ("Another world" is more often used to mean another planet, than a moon.) Humans are yet to accomplish manned travel to the next planet from Earth, so presumably Tecteun's Gallifrey was already far more advanced than 20th-century (or even 21st-century) Earth. Presumably Shobogans before Tecteun had accomplished satellite launches, simple travel beyond Gallifrey's atmosphere, and travel to Gallifrey's moon(s).
* Or the Pythia - the pre-Time-Lord rulers of Gallifrey - and their magic could have been involved somehow.

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* Or the Pythia - the pre-Time-Lord rulers of Gallifrey - and their magic could have been involved somehow, in making spacecraft with 20th/21st-century technology travel at interstellar speeds.

[[WMG:Tecteun was not literally the first Gallifreyan to travel into space.]]
Tecteun was the first Gallifreyan to develop "space travel" and also to "[take] risks to explore the worlds and galaxies beyond [Gallifrey]". The Gallifreyan definition of "space travel" for civilizations with a long history and high prevalence of interstellar/intergalactic travel could be different from the Earth definition of "space travel" - while Earth "space travel" is any manned travel beyond Earth's atmosphere, Gallifreyan "space travel" is Shoboganned travel beyond the orbit of Gallifrey's natural satellite(s) to another "world" (planet) at the very least. ("Another world" is more often used to mean another planet, than a moon.) Humans are yet to accomplish manned travel to the next planet from Earth, so presumably Tecteun's Gallifrey was already far more advanced than 20th-century (or even 21st-century) Earth. Presumably Shobogans before Tecteun had accomplished satellite launches, simple travel beyond Gallifrey's atmosphere, and travel to Gallifrey's moon(s).
* Or the Pythia
moon(s) - the pre-Time-Lord rulers of Tecteun is not to Gallifrey - and their magic could have been involved somehow.what Yuri Gagarin is to Earth.
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* '''Jossed''': [[spoiler: Ruth had a part to play during the Anchoring of the Thread, which occurred during the Dark Times, long before 2 and 3.]]




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* One article in the Doctor Who Official Annual 2022 suggests so.



* Likely '''jossed''' - the Series 13 story arc is focused around a cataclysmic force called the "Flux".

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* Likely '''jossed''' '''Jossed''' - the Series 13 story arc is focused around a cataclysmic force called the "Flux".



* Tecteun was the first Gallifreyan to develop "space travel" and to "[take] risks to explore the worlds and galaxies beyond [Gallifrey]". The Gallifreyan definition of "space travel" could be different from the Earth definition of "space travel" - while Earth "space travel" is any manned travel beyond Earth's atmosphere, Gallifreyan "space travel" is Shoboganned travel beyond the orbit of Gallifrey's natural satellite(s) to another "world" (planet) at the very least. ("Another world" is more often used to mean another planet, than a moon.) Humans are yet to accomplish manned travel to the next planet from Earth, so presumably Tecteun's Gallifrey was already far more advanced than 20th-century (or even 21st-century) Earth. Presumably Shobogans before Tecteun had accomplished satellite launches, simply travel beyond Gallifrey's atmosphere, and travel to Gallifrey's moon(s).

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* Tecteun was the first Gallifreyan to develop "space travel" and to "[take] risks to explore the worlds and galaxies beyond [Gallifrey]". The Gallifreyan definition of "space travel" could be different from the Earth definition of "space travel" - while Earth "space travel" is any manned travel beyond Earth's atmosphere, Gallifreyan "space travel" is Shoboganned travel beyond the orbit of Gallifrey's natural satellite(s) to another "world" (planet) at the very least. ("Another world" is more often used to mean another planet, than a moon.) Humans are yet to accomplish manned travel to the next planet from Earth, so presumably Tecteun's Gallifrey was already far more advanced than 20th-century (or even 21st-century) Earth. Presumably Shobogans before Tecteun had accomplished satellite launches, simply simple travel beyond Gallifrey's atmosphere, and travel to Gallifrey's moon(s).
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[[WMG: The Shobogans were already incredibly long-lived prior to Tecteun's discovery of regeneration.]]

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* Tecteun was the first Gallifreyan to develop "space travel" and to "[take] risks to explore the worlds and galaxies beyond [Gallifrey]". The Gallifreyan definition of "space travel" could be different from the Earth definition of "space travel" - while Earth "space travel" is any manned travel beyond Earth's atmosphere, Gallifreyan "space travel" is Shoboganned travel beyond the orbit of Gallifrey's natural satellite(s) to another "world" (planet) at the very least. ("Another world" is more often used to mean another planet, than a moon.) Humans are yet to accomplish manned travel to the next planet from Earth, so presumably Tecteun's Gallifrey was already far more advanced than 20th-century (or even 21st-century) Earth.

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* Tecteun was the first Gallifreyan to develop "space travel" and to "[take] risks to explore the worlds and galaxies beyond [Gallifrey]". The Gallifreyan definition of "space travel" could be different from the Earth definition of "space travel" - while Earth "space travel" is any manned travel beyond Earth's atmosphere, Gallifreyan "space travel" is Shoboganned travel beyond the orbit of Gallifrey's natural satellite(s) to another "world" (planet) at the very least. ("Another world" is more often used to mean another planet, than a moon.) Humans are yet to accomplish manned travel to the next planet from Earth, so presumably Tecteun's Gallifrey was already far more advanced than 20th-century (or even 21st-century) Earth. Presumably Shobogans before Tecteun had accomplished satellite launches, simply travel beyond Gallifrey's atmosphere, and travel to Gallifrey's moon(s).
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* Tecteun was the first Gallifreyan to develop "space travel" and to "[take] risks to explore the worlds and galaxies beyond [Gallifrey]". The Gallifreyan definition of "space travel" could be different from the Earth definition of "space travel" - while Earth "space travel" is any manned travel beyond Earth's atmosphere, Gallifreyan "space travel" is Shoboganned travel beyond the orbit of Gallifrey's natural satellite(s) to another "world" (planet) at the very least. ("Another world" is more often used to mean another planet, than a moon.) Humans are yet to accomplish manned travel to the next planet from Earth, so presumably Tecteun's Gallifrey was already far more advanced than 20th-century (or even 21st-century) Earth.
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* The Timeless Child could regenerate 507 times. When the Eleventh Doctor told Clyde in [[Recap/SarahJaneAdventuresS4E5E6DeathOfTheDoctor Death of the Doctor]] that he could change 507 times, this was a bit of his memory as the Timeless Child slipping through. We know that the Timeless Child was chameleon-arched into a Gallifreyan.

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* The Timeless Child could regenerate 507 times. When the Eleventh Doctor told Clyde in [[Recap/SarahJaneAdventuresS4E5E6DeathOfTheDoctor [[Recap/TheSarahJaneAdventuresS4E5E6DeathOfTheDoctor Death of the Doctor]] that he could change 507 times, this was a bit of his memory as the Timeless Child slipping through. We know that the Timeless Child was chameleon-arched into a Gallifreyan.
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* The Timeless Child could regenerate 507 times. When the Eleventh Doctor told Clyde in [[Recap/SarahJaneAdventuresS4E5-6DeathOfTheDoctor Death of the Doctor]] that he could change 507 times, this was a bit of his memory as the Timeless Child slipping through. We know that the Timeless Child was chameleon-arched into a Gallifreyan.

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* The Timeless Child could regenerate 507 times. When the Eleventh Doctor told Clyde in [[Recap/SarahJaneAdventuresS4E5-6DeathOfTheDoctor [[Recap/SarahJaneAdventuresS4E5E6DeathOfTheDoctor Death of the Doctor]] that he could change 507 times, this was a bit of his memory as the Timeless Child slipping through. We know that the Timeless Child was chameleon-arched into a Gallifreyan.
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* The Timeless Child could regenerate 507 times. When the Eleventh Doctor told Clyde in [[Recap/SarahJaneAdventuresS4E5-6DeathOfTheDoctor Death of the Doctor]] that he could change 507 times, this was a bit of his memory as the Timeless Child slipping through. We know that the Timeless Child was chameleon-arched into a Gallifreyan.
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* Or perhaps, a few individuals with the ability to regenerate arise in the Timeless species from time to time, and being able to regenerate is viewed unfavourably (possibly as being a sign of witchcraft/being cursed). For this, the Timeless Child was abandoned.

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* Or perhaps, a few individuals with the ability to regenerate arise in the Timeless species from time to time, and being able to regenerate is viewed unfavourably (possibly as being a sign of witchcraft/being being a witch/demon, or being cursed). For this, the Timeless Child was abandoned.



[[WMG: The Timeless Child's people were indigenous to the planet on which the child was found.]]
The child was in fact abandoned when the rest of their people left their planet for another universe through the rift which the child was found beside.

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[[WMG: The Timeless Child's people were were/are indigenous to N-Space, if not the planet on which the child was found.]]
The Fans have commonly assumed that the child was originated from the universe to which the portal led. However, the child could in fact have been abandoned when the rest of their people left their N-Space/their planet for another universe through the rift which portal.
* In Series 13, the Doctor brings up the point that Tecteun had no knowledge of the child's circumstances. "You assumed I came through that wormhole, but you don't know. What if I was waiting there to be collected? What if I was supposed to be taken through it? What if whoever left me there was taken by that wormhole?" The last two questions raise the possibility that
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** The Master claimed that the space travel Tecteun had was "dangerous" and "unsophisticated" - but that's the impression of a Time Lord ''now'' looking back. Tecteun's space travel technology was already far more sophisticated than what we have on Earth, and of course the later Time Lords had yet more sophisticated technology.

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** The Master claimed that the space travel Tecteun had was "dangerous" and "unsophisticated" - but that's the impression of a Time Lord ''now'' looking back. Tecteun's space travel What a modern Time Lord considers "dangerous, unsophisticated" technology was is already far more sophisticated than what we have on Earth, and of course the later Time Lords had yet more sophisticated technology.incredibly advanced by human standards.
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** The Master claimed that the space travel Tecteun had was "dangerous" and "unsophisticated" - but that's the impression of a Time Lord ''now'' looking back. Tecteun's space travel technology was already far more sophisticated than what we have on Earth, and of course the later Time Lords had yet more sophisticated technology.
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* Perhaps the Gallifreyans developed hyperdrive around the same time they were developing space travel... when the first Gallifreyan travelled into space, Gallifrey could have already been much more technologically advanced than 20th-century Earth. The Gallifreyans just decided to send no-one into space for a really, really long time - they could have had no good reason to do it.

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* Perhaps the Gallifreyans had developed hyperdrive around by the same time they were developing started their first Shoboganned space travel...exploration missions... when the first Gallifreyan travelled into space, Gallifrey could have already been much more technologically advanced than 20th-century Earth. The Gallifreyans just decided to send no-one into space for a really, really long time - they could have had no good reason to do it.
it, or they decided they had to have some level of space travel technology sophistication before they should send anyone into space.
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[[WMG: The Shobogans were already incredibly long-lived prior to Tecteun's discovery of regeneration.]]
Tecteun was the first Gallifreyan to travel off-planet - making her Gallifrey's Yuri Gagarin. However, she apparently accomplished interstellar travel within her lifetime, which humanity is ''very'' far away from, if it is even physically possible. Assuming the first Gallifreyan spacecraft was as technologically advanced as the first Earth spacecraft (or even ''current'' Earth spacecraft), then Tecteun's journey must have spanned centuries or millenia. This just makes her experimentation on the Timeless Child so that the future Time Lords could accomplish regeneration all the more motivated by greed.
* Perhaps the Gallifreyans developed hyperdrive around the same time they were developing space travel... when the first Gallifreyan travelled into space, Gallifrey could have already been much more technologically advanced than 20th-century Earth. The Gallifreyans just decided to send no-one into space for a really, really long time - they could have had no good reason to do it.
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* Worth noting is her TARDIS looks more or less the same as the one Two had.
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* '''Jossed.'''
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* While not confirmed one way or the other, it has been implied in other media that Time Lords can regenerate into any physical age range, including young children, so… maybe, but not necessarily.

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