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**** The regime's leadership [[spoiler: certainly is gleeful about the plague reacting a FinalSolution for the poor,]] but the rest of the grunts aren't necessarily in the know while they're upholding the quarantine and counter-plague measures even outside the wealthy areas. And furthermore, even the head honchos [[spoiler: that are happy siccing the plague on the poor]] certainly do try and keep *very* strong measures to prevent it from spreading into the wealthy areas. Also, it raises the issue of why killing Weepers- carriers of the plague- would raise public panic when it's impairing the spread of the plague?
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*** Except of course for the fact the the Chaos stat and the plague have nothing to do with the regime. If anything the regime is worsening and prolonging the plague. The Chaos stat just measures how many people you kill, which adds to the number of plague rats, which increases panic, it's nothing political or anarchistic, heck, [[spoiler: in the low Chaos ending, the new golden age only came about by Emily decreasing the role of government and business in Dunwall and the Empire.]]
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*** I never said that Corvo and the Empress didn't have a relationship, or even that Emily didn't see him as a father figure. I just pointed out that Emily has hints of a PrecociousCrush on Corvo, something that wouldn't fly if they were actually related.
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** In the first five minutes, even the empress herself states that her heart is heavy when Corvo's not around: "When you are near my heart is at peace... Hurry home Corvo." No simple bodyguard would have this much weight on the empress unless there was something going on between them.
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Havelock is...
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*** How do you mean? [[spoiler: While the LR himself and his close alles are shown to be CompleteMonster material, I did specifically include that possibility, but was mainly talking about the grunt-level mooks of said totalitarian government. Considering the Chaos system and the endings, and the fact that you somehow gain Chaos for killing "Weepers*, it's hard to say that they don't go outta their way to paint violence = bad or at least less satisfying.]]
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** Jossed. [[spoiler:According to his confession, Burrows brought the rats over from the Pandyssian Continent to KillThePoor.]]
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** [[spoiler: In the last level, one of Havelock's journals implies this as well.]]
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** Practically confirmed, they have the same voice actress.
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[[WMG: The Heart is the Empress' heart.]]
* She comments strangely on the Lord Regent that she doesn't want to forgive him and hesitates around her former palace.
[[WMG: Corvo is the Empress' lover.]]
* The way she addresses him feels like it to me.
* She comments strangely on the Lord Regent that she doesn't want to forgive him and hesitates around her former palace.
[[WMG: Corvo is the Empress' lover.]]
* The way she addresses him feels like it to me.
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* In the first Tales of Dunwall video, it was shown that Edmond Roseburrow's inventions with Sokolov were used to oppress the people. We know it wasn't Lord Regent Burrows who first used them to oppress people as he had not yet taken power. It seems like someone before the Lord Regent would have had to be the one who started the oppressive regime with the newly developed weapons, yet it seems very unlikely Jessamine began it since she is loved by her people. Trans was shown to be invented before the events of the game since the "Tales of Dunwall" takes place before the game begins. Either it was Jessamine's predecessor who utilized Roseburrow's inventions to oppress the people or title of Emperor/Empress just makes you a powerless figurehead. (Of course, I could be wrong in that Jessamine's assassination takes place after the game begins and Roseburrow makes said weapons with Sokolov during the time Corvo is in jail).
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* In the first Tales of Dunwall video, it was shown that Edmond Roseburrow's inventions with Sokolov were used to oppress the people. We know it wasn't Lord Regent Burrows who first used them to oppress people as he had not yet taken power. It seems like someone before the Lord Regent would have had to be the one who started the oppressive regime with the newly developed weapons, yet it seems very unlikely Jessamine began it since she is loved by her people. Trans was shown to be invented before the events of the game since the "Tales of Dunwall" takes place before the game begins. Either it was Jessamine's predecessor who utilized Roseburrow's inventions to oppress the people or title of Emperor/Empress just makes you a powerless figurehead. (Of course, I could be wrong in that Jessamine's assassination takes place after the game begins and Roseburrow makes said weapons with Sokolov during the time Corvo is in jail).jail).
[[WMG: The Outsider is G-Man.]]
* He appears randomly to people he finds interesting. He is always watching, He has a BlueAndOrangeMorality system going on, and most of all, he uses very similar twists of language (uses a "wrong man in the right place" type statement once.)
[[WMG: The Outsider is G-Man.]]
* He appears randomly to people he finds interesting. He is always watching, He has a BlueAndOrangeMorality system going on, and most of all, he uses very similar twists of language (uses a "wrong man in the right place" type statement once.)
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* While I'd bet that the Lord Regent and his close allies will not be so kindly treated, the regime itself and particularly the Chaos stat seem to imply there's value in keeping the totalitarian system running for now in order to stave off the plague. In practice, this will lead to a heavy-handed series of penalties for actually killing people like guards, even if the situation might otherwise call for it.
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* While I'd bet that the Lord Regent and his close allies will not be so kindly treated, the regime itself and particularly the Chaos stat seem to imply there's value in keeping the totalitarian system running for now in order to stave off the plague. In practice, this will lead to a heavy-handed series of penalties for actually killing people like guards, even if the situation might otherwise call for it.
it. No strategically breaking the chains of oppression and inspiring a democratic revolt here! Nope! Not without letting the Plague in.
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*** More likely is that Corvo is a ParentalSubstitute for Emily.
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** [[spoiler:After kidnapping the Royal Physician Emily's drawing of Corvo appears on his table the title clearly says "Daddy"]]
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*** Confirmed that the assassins do indeed have the teleportation ability in the playable intro.
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**Almost definitely Jossed, Emily has a BodyguardCrush on Corvo herself, and while the game has plenty of Squick, none of it is of that kind.
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* In the first Tales of Dunwall video, it was shown that Edmond Roseburrow's inventions with Sokolov were used to oppress the people. We know it wasn't Lord Regent Burrows who first used them to oppress people as he had not yet taken power. Yet it seems very out-of-character for a leader who is supposedly loved by their people. Trans was shown to be invented before the events of the game since the "Tales of Dunwall" takes place before the game begins. Either it was Jessamine's predecessor who utilized Roseburrow's inventions to oppress the people or title of Emperor/Empress just makes you a powerless figurehead. (Of course, I could be wrong in that Jessamine's assassination takes place after the game begins and Roseburrow makes said weapons with Sokolov during the time Corvo is in jail).
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* In the first Tales of Dunwall video, it was shown that Edmond Roseburrow's inventions with Sokolov were used to oppress the people. We know it wasn't Lord Regent Burrows who first used them to oppress people as he had not yet taken power. Yet It seems like someone before the Lord Regent would have had to be the one who started the oppressive regime with the newly developed weapons, yet it seems very out-of-character for a leader who unlikely Jessamine began it since she is supposedly loved by their her people. Trans was shown to be invented before the events of the game since the "Tales of Dunwall" takes place before the game begins. Either it was Jessamine's predecessor who utilized Roseburrow's inventions to oppress the people or title of Emperor/Empress just makes you a powerless figurehead. (Of course, I could be wrong in that Jessamine's assassination takes place after the game begins and Roseburrow makes said weapons with Sokolov during the time Corvo is in jail).
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* In a trailer, Emily rushes up to him and he clearly embraces her in a hug. Add that to [[ChekhovMIA Disappeared Dad]], the fact that Corvo was [[BodyguardCrush Empress Jessamine's bodyguard]], and that fact that a story mission revolves around [[AdultFear finding Emily at all costs]], and the fact that it's a fairly reasonable trope for a DieselPunk FilmNoir to utilize, and you have my reasoning.
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* In a trailer, Emily rushes up to him and he clearly embraces her in a hug. Add that to [[ChekhovMIA Disappeared Dad]], the fact that Corvo was [[BodyguardCrush Empress Jessamine's bodyguard]], and that fact that a story mission revolves around [[AdultFear finding Emily at all costs]], and the fact that it's a fairly reasonable trope for a DieselPunk FilmNoir to utilize, and you have my reasoning.reasoning.
[[WMG: The Kaldwin family has a history of oppressing the country. Jessamine is an exception.]]
* In the first Tales of Dunwall video, it was shown that Edmond Roseburrow's inventions with Sokolov were used to oppress the people. We know it wasn't Lord Regent Burrows who first used them to oppress people as he had not yet taken power. Yet it seems very out-of-character for a leader who is supposedly loved by their people. Trans was shown to be invented before the events of the game since the "Tales of Dunwall" takes place before the game begins. Either it was Jessamine's predecessor who utilized Roseburrow's inventions to oppress the people or title of Emperor/Empress just makes you a powerless figurehead. (Of course, I could be wrong in that Jessamine's assassination takes place after the game begins and Roseburrow makes said weapons with Sokolov during the time Corvo is in jail).
[[WMG: The Kaldwin family has a history of oppressing the country. Jessamine is an exception.]]
* In the first Tales of Dunwall video, it was shown that Edmond Roseburrow's inventions with Sokolov were used to oppress the people. We know it wasn't Lord Regent Burrows who first used them to oppress people as he had not yet taken power. Yet it seems very out-of-character for a leader who is supposedly loved by their people. Trans was shown to be invented before the events of the game since the "Tales of Dunwall" takes place before the game begins. Either it was Jessamine's predecessor who utilized Roseburrow's inventions to oppress the people or title of Emperor/Empress just makes you a powerless figurehead. (Of course, I could be wrong in that Jessamine's assassination takes place after the game begins and Roseburrow makes said weapons with Sokolov during the time Corvo is in jail).
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* While I'd bet that the Lord Regent and his close allies will [[CompleteMonster not be so kindly treated]], treated, the regime itself and particularly the Chaos stat seem to imply there's value in keeping the totalitarian system running for now in order to stave off the plague.
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** Based on the E3 announcement trailer the Empress' assassin seemed to have been given a Mark (he visibly dissolves in plain view of the camera) but this could be a [[UnreliableNarrator tainted]] flashback; another shot of the same event visibly lacks the red filter present in the "dissolving" shot.
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* While I'd bet that the Lord Regent and his close allies will [[CompleteMonster not be so kindly treated]], the regime itself and particularly the Chaos stat seem to imply there's value in keeping the totalitarian system running for now in order to stave off the plague.plague.
[[WMG: Corvo is Emily Kaldwin's DisappearedDad.]]
* In a trailer, Emily rushes up to him and he clearly embraces her in a hug. Add that to [[ChekhovMIA Disappeared Dad]], the fact that Corvo was [[BodyguardCrush Empress Jessamine's bodyguard]], and that fact that a story mission revolves around [[AdultFear finding Emily at all costs]], and the fact that it's a fairly reasonable trope for a DieselPunk FilmNoir to utilize, and you have my reasoning.
[[WMG: Corvo is Emily Kaldwin's DisappearedDad.]]
* In a trailer, Emily rushes up to him and he clearly embraces her in a hug. Add that to [[ChekhovMIA Disappeared Dad]], the fact that Corvo was [[BodyguardCrush Empress Jessamine's bodyguard]], and that fact that a story mission revolves around [[AdultFear finding Emily at all costs]], and the fact that it's a fairly reasonable trope for a DieselPunk FilmNoir to utilize, and you have my reasoning.
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** The "trans-batteries" used in the guns could easily have been inspired by a dream (with the implication that the Outsider is pulling the strings), just as Corvo's mask was.
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[[WMG: Going one step further than the theory above...]]
* ... The Outsider is responsible not only for the plague and the Empress's death, but the creation (or at least weaponization) of Trans technology and the madness-induced creation of Corvo's mask.
* ... The Outsider is responsible not only for the plague and the Empress's death, but the creation (or at least weaponization) of Trans technology and the madness-induced creation of Corvo's mask.
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* The Lord Regent realized that the Empress was in league with the Outsider and decided to use a scapegoat to take the blame for killing a popular ruler while he keeps the power and works to get rid of the Outsider.
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[[WMG: The Imperial Regime under the Lord Regent is going to be treated as NecessarilyEvil ]]
* While I'd bet that the Lord Regent and his close allies will [[CompleteMonster not be so kindly treated]], the regime itself and particularly the Chaos stat seem to imply there's value in keeping the totalitarian system running for now in order to stave off the plague.
[[WMG: The Imperial Regime under the Lord Regent is going to be treated as NecessarilyEvil ]]
* While I'd bet that the Lord Regent and his close allies will [[CompleteMonster not be so kindly treated]], the regime itself and particularly the Chaos stat seem to imply there's value in keeping the totalitarian system running for now in order to stave off the plague.
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[[WMG: The Symbol from the end of "The Hand that Feeds" is the mark of the plague.]]
* At the end of Tales of Dunwall 2 (linked below) the boy's body starts bleeding and then fades into a bright red symbol. As the boy is the first canonical victim of the plague, it only makes sense that the mark signifies the plague, the Outsider (who is strongly implied to have started the plague by giving the mark to the boy), or both.
* At the end of Tales of Dunwall 2 (linked below) the boy's body starts bleeding and then fades into a bright red symbol. As the boy is the first canonical victim of the plague, it only makes sense that the mark signifies the plague, the Outsider (who is strongly implied to have started the plague by giving the mark to the boy), or both.
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** Based on this [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS7UvHNmmd4 Tales of Dunwall]] video the Outsider definitely seems responsible for the plague even though the rest is uncertain.
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** She looks pretty dead in the trailers, considering you see her being brutally stabbed and slammed onto her knees, and the next shot is of her lying on the ground in a massive pool of blood. Of course, [[TrailersAlwaysLie trailers aren't always honest]], so...
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[[WMG: The Outsider is responsible for the murder of the Empress as well as the plague]]
* If the Abbey of the Everyman wants to keep things like him out killing her and spreading chaos everywhere might somehow weaken them enough for him to enter. It's entirely possible that the dark ending mentioned from going on killing sprees means that Corvo's murders increased the chaos so much that the Outsider can invade. It might even be that technically Corvo ''did'' kill the Empress because the Outsider was possessing him.
[[WMG: The Empress is still alive]]
* Mostly because it's the sort of twist that gets used.
[[WMG: The Lord Regent did everything to try to keep the Outsider away]]
* The Lord Regent realized that the Empress was in league with the Outsider and decided to use a scapegoat to take the blame for killing a popular ruler while he keeps the power and works to get rid of the Outsider.
* If the Abbey of the Everyman wants to keep things like him out killing her and spreading chaos everywhere might somehow weaken them enough for him to enter. It's entirely possible that the dark ending mentioned from going on killing sprees means that Corvo's murders increased the chaos so much that the Outsider can invade. It might even be that technically Corvo ''did'' kill the Empress because the Outsider was possessing him.
[[WMG: The Empress is still alive]]
* Mostly because it's the sort of twist that gets used.
[[WMG: The Lord Regent did everything to try to keep the Outsider away]]
* The Lord Regent realized that the Empress was in league with the Outsider and decided to use a scapegoat to take the blame for killing a popular ruler while he keeps the power and works to get rid of the Outsider.
