History WMG / DetectiveConan

That is a ''lot'' of "coincidental" connections for two supposedly unrelated families to have, especially two supposedly unrelated families who also coincidentally have two sons who are not only the exact same age, but also identical of face, voice, and intelligence - and even resemble each other ''behaviorally.'' The only visual difference is the hairstyle (and sometimes the animators do weird things with colors, but canonically they have the same hair and eye color - none of this "indigo" or "purple" nonsense, every official art picture has Kaito's eyes the same shade of blue as Shinichi's). Point is, even the fans mix up pictures of them if they're wearing ordinary hats or the tops of their heads are cropped off of an image. And even more coincidentally, despite their parents' relationships, it's implied they were ''never introduced to each other,'' despite the fact that each couple had met the other's child and there's no way they wouldn't immediately be reminded of their own when they did - so why ''not'' introduce them at some point? Isn't that ''strange?'' Considering their parents were such close friends and their children are the same age? Don't parents usually bring their children along when they meet up so they can socialize and have "playdates" - especially the parents of a child as bad at socializing as Shinichi was? Did they seriously turn up at the other couple's house, look at their friends' son who is earlily similar to their own son, and not quetion their decision to presumably leave their own child back with some kind of babysitter? You'd think Toichi would be super into his son having a functional twin to assist in magic tricks! Twins are, like, one of the most useful tools in magic, every magician wants twin assistants, and a magician who himself has a doppleganger is able to vastly increase his range of possible illusions. A ''secret'' "twin" that no one would suspect you have because you're an only child? Even better!

I find this possible - Yusaku and Toichi do bare a certain resemblence to each other, especially in the manga and the earlier anime representations before DC's style changed, and they have a playful, borderline brotherly history of non-maliciously trolling each other - but the resemblence isn't nearly as strong as the resemblence between their sons, and statistical genetics stand against this possibility in terms of likeliness. If Toichi and Yusaku were brothers, Kaito and Shinichi would be related through shared grandparents. As first cousins, they would only share about 25% of their genetic code. Given that their dads do not resemble each other nearly as much as their sons do, and their mothers do not resemble each other at all, the likelihood that Kaito and Shinichi would be born not only inexplicably identical, but also supposedly coincidentally within a month and a half of each other, is abyssmally low. Not to mention their shared personality traits, despite, again, apparently never having met as child. The uncanny resemblence is slightly more likely if Toichi and Yusaku were identical twins, in which case Kaito and Shinichi would share 50% of their genetic code, but while this is still a possibility, I find this unlikely. As stated before, they are clearly not identical. (Of course, they could be going out of their way to look different while still maintaining "natural" looks, but to have a reason for that would indicate an entirely different secret going on - and this is lacking evidence, even circumstancial evidence).

The Kudos and the Kurobas were, at the very least, friends before the accident - not only did Yusaku know and keep their family's... moonlight professions a secret, but Toichi inspired Yusaku to essentially write a book series about what seems to be a villainous version of his friend (the Night Baron series - seriously, those complete ''trolls'' must've done ''so much'' to get on each other's nerves that we haven't heard about). Given this, if Toichi really did die that day, that death must've garnered some heartbreak and ''suspicion'' from the Kudos - and no doubt Yusaku, being the only person in the series to consistantly out-deduce Shinichi, both investigated and kept the files. Why couldn't he prove it was foul play, why didn't he spot the thread and catch the murderer? If he didn't have hard proof, it would probably be hard to talk the police into opening a homicide investigation - after all, Yusaku's suspicions of foul play would have been based entirely on Toichi's secret criminal life. (It's surprising that they were good enough to hide evidence from ''Yusaku,'' but if the theory on the [[WMG/MagicKaito WMG page]] about Vermouth is true, the inability for Yusaku to figure out the culprit makes sense: if Toichi didn't know about Vermouth's assassin double life, ''Yusaku'' sure as hell didn't. But now, thanks to Shinichi, ''he does.'')

** Alternatively, [[spoiler:considering the age of Karasuma,]] Vermouth is their ''daughter.'' She subverts as much as supports Ano Kata's goals because she was pressured into the organization to begin with and now feels trapped in her circumstances--now only wishing to protect her own interests and what independence she can get, which is why she acts like a moralless ChaoticNeutral and seems to help and hinder both sides of the conflict. She extends favor to Shinichi and Ran because they saved her despite her crimes and gave her hope that her criminal existence does not render her future completely void (as seen in the Golden Apple case, where she seemed genuinely depressed until the end). She's not a good person and she's aware of it and made peace with it, but she doesn't want this to be her life forever either.

** Alternatively, [[spoiler:considering the age of Karasuma,]] Vermouth is their ''daughter.'' She subverts as much as supports Ano Kata's goals because she was pressured into the organization to begin with and now doesn't like that her life has turned out this way, but felt trapped in her circumstances--and now only wishes to protect her own interests and what independence she can get, which is why she acts like a moralless ChaoticNeutral and seems to help and hinder both sides of the conflict. She extends favor to Shinichi and Ran because they saved her despite her crimes and gave her hope that her criminal existence does not render her future completely void (as seen in the Golden Apple case, where she seemed genuinely depressed until the end). She's not a good person and she's aware of it and made peace with it, but she doesn't want this to be her life forever either.

** It's also possible they're ordered by experimental batch. I can't imagine every version of APTX was called "4869." 4869 is most likely the serial number of the most recent version of the drug, which we know has existed for some time in various forms and thus had to have a way to differentiate between the different "batches." The list may not actually be exclusive to 4869 victims--since 4869 is the version Haibara created, and if the number refers specifically to that version, 4869 is too young for the older victims to have died from it. Instead, the list may contain victims and test subjects from ''every'' version of the drug. The idea that APTX 4869, "the experimental detective," and the older versions of APTX are not called the same thing may tie into the mystery behind what Haibara's mother called "The Silver Bullet." Possibly that was the nickname referring to an earlier APTX. This is slightly more a shot in the dark, but maybe this version had a similarly punny number, perhaps APTX 4681, which is similar to the Japanaese pronunciation of Silver Bullet (Shi-Ru-Ba Wan, a pun on "Silver Dan," with Dan being a word for bullet). Or perhaps it was APTX 468, "Silver," and the "bullet" nickname came from the drug's form, a pill.

In exchange for saving his life (i.e. making sure he struck gold on the low survival rate of the drug), the Shinigami directs future murders towards him all the time, getting rid of possible vengeful spirits.]]

[[WMG:A Shinigami notices Shinichi's knack for always discovering the truth, but also notices that he's going to die at age sixteen. In exchange for saving his life (i.e. making sure he struck gold on the low survival rate of the drug), the Shinigami directs future murders towards him all the time, getting rid of possible vengeful spirits.]]

* Jossed, as confirmed by [[ this interview]].

[[WMG: Shinichi and Shiho are blood relations of Vermouth's to some degree]]

[[WMG: Shiho is either the daughter or niece of Vermouth.]]

[[WMG: Subaru is MI6]]

[[WMG: Subaru is actually...]]

[[WMG: The real identity of the detective girl Sera is...]]

[[WMG: Okiya Subaru is Akai Shuuichi.]]

[[WMG: Sera's "Little Sister" is a victim of APTX4869]]

[[WMG: Bourbon will...]]

[[WMG: In the last volume of the manga...]]

[[WMG: Last case will be similar to the event in "The Final Problem"]]

[[WMG: Vermouth is Ano Kata's mother.]]

[[WMG: The Tottori district has something to do with the Black Organisation]]

[[WMG: Agasa is the Boss of the Black Organisation]]
Think about it. He seems unusally knowledgeable in the first few chapters about what the Black Org will do to Shinichi when they find him, and steers him towards a more harmless avenue than he might have taken on his own - namely, working behind the cover of Mouri as opposed to tracking the BO down outright.

[[WMG: ''Kogoro'' is the Boss of the Black Organisation. Also, he knows that Conan is Shinichi.]]

[[WMG: ''Ran'' is the Boss of the Black Organisation. Also, she is a man in disguise.]]

[[WMG: David Xanatos from ''{{WesternAnimation/Gargoyles}}'' is the leader of the Black Organization.]]

[[WMG: Subaru isn't just Bourbon; he's Ano Kata]]

[[WMG: Vermouth is Ano Kata]]

[[WMG: James Black is Ano Kata.]]

[[WMG: Michio Yuki from ''{{Manga/MW}}'' is Ano Kata.]]

[[WMG: Fusae Campbell (the woman Professor Agasa loved) is Ano Kata.]]
As she leaves, a man in a black suit calls her boss, and he does it in rather shady way.

[[WMG: Big boss will pretend to be someone close to Conan.]]

It can be anyone : Kudo's father, Professor Agasa, Kogoro, or maybe even one of the children...

[[WMG: Heiji is actually Ano Kata.]]

[[WMG: Ano Kata is Conan's home room teacher, who is using a fake name.]]

[[WMG: Ano Kata is Gosho Aoyama]]
Aoyama's name has appeared in the Manga from the very beginning and Aoyama has an obvious interest in detectives and mysteries.

[[WMG: Ano Kata is the most interesting man in the world.]]

[[WMG: Ano Kata is either Kaito's mom or dad]]

[[WMG: APTX-4869 halts aging.]]

[[WMG: Vermouth has taken APTX-4869]]

[[WMG: There is a specific trigger to APTX-4869's regression effect]]

[[WMG: APTX-4869, or at least one of its predecessors, was crafted specifically to benefit Vermouth]]

[[WMG: Vermouth did not de-age with APTX but with Pandora]]

[[WMG: APTX-4869 was derived from the same stone that the Arrows from Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure were made from]]

[[WMG: Ai has already figured out the antidote to APTX-4869, and is withholding it from Shinichi.]]

[[WMG: APTX-4869 is a 'failed' eternal youth serum.]]

[[WMG: APTX-4869 was specifically ''aimed'' at Shinichi]]

[[WMG: There is no permanent antidote. Instead, Ran will de-age to be with Shinichi.]]

[[WMG: The 'Special Gene' required to survive APTX-4869 is an above-average intelligence.]]

[[WMG: Gin was tested with an early APTX-4869 protoype]]

[[WMG: The list of people who were given APTX 4869...]]

[[WMG: Mouri knows where murders are going to take place ahead of time and secretly directs his family to be in the right place and time]]

[[WMG: The actual timeline.]]

[[WMG: The reason they keep stumbling into mysteries is simple. Conan distracts people with AdorablyPrecociousChild antics, Ran kills someone with her karate, while Mouri "solves" the case, pinning the blame on some shady person and using his reputation to make it stick]]

[[WMG: Kudo (and maybe Mouri) has something (a curse? Some quirk of genetics?) that causes anyone subconsciously thinking of murdering to act on it. That's why there's always a murder when they go out, even though the crime rate in Japan is supposed to be low]]

[[WMG: Richard Moore is on a mission from God.]]

[[WMG: Alternatively to the above: Conan & Mouri don't attract murders. Murders attract ''them'']]

[[WMG: Detective Conan chronicles every murder committed in Japan.]]
Japan really does have a low crime rate; Conan just happens to be involved in solving EVERY murder case in the country.

[[WMG: [[Videogame/EarthBound Giygas]] is the reason for the ridiculous numbers of murders in the DC universe.]]

[[WMG: Vermouth's youth, her relations to Ano Kata, the workings of APX-4869 and why she keeps Haibara and Conan's shrinkage a secret.]]

[[WMG: Shinichi and Heiji are not {{Meitantei}}]]

[[WMG: Shinichi has a drinking/drug problem]]

[[WMG: The Black Organization are Freemasons, the Illuminati, Skull and Bones Society, the Knight Templar, and/or Lizard People.]]

[[WMG: [[Manga/DeathNote Teru Mikami]] is an alternate universe version of Eri Kisaki.]]

[[WMG: One of the kami is answering a prayer Conan made when he was very young.]]

[[WMG: Japan's economic crash in the early 90s was caused by so many millionaires dying in a short period of time.]]

[[WMG: Not only is the Black Organization (or at least Gin) fully aware that Shinichi is still alive, but they probably never actually wanted to kill him.]]

[[WMG: Haibara is either a deliberate CaptainErsatz of [[Series/TheXFiles Dana Scully]] or is an AlternateUniverse version.]]

[[WMG: Conan & the Kaito Kid are related.]]

[[WMG: The Black Organization and the mysterious group chasing Kaito Kid are the same people.]]

[[WMG: The reason why Snake Hasn't killed Kaito]]

[[WMG: Shin'ichi is really dead and Conan is his replacement.]]

[[WMG: Shinichi is actually making the antidotes last longer than they should.]]

[[WMG: Kogoro is a millionaire.]]

[[WMG: Vermouth was in New York City in 1930 at the induction of [[LightNovel/{{Baccano}} Firo]] into the Martillo Family]]

[[WMG: Kogoro KNOWS Conan is Shinichi]]

[[WMG: When Ran confront Conan about his identity again, he will tell her that Shinichi is his older brother]]

[[WMG: Ran knew all along that Conan is Shinichi.]]

[[WMG: Heiji is only pretending to be clueless about his feelings for Kazuha.]]

[[WMG: There will be [[OneHundredAndEight 108]] volumes of the manga.]]

[[WMG: The reason no one's aged in however-many episodes/chapters...]]

[[WMG: Shinichi will have a HeroicBSOD momment when he comes across something that he can't explain...]]

[[WMG: Vermouth is [[VideoGame/{{Touhou}} Yukari Yakumo]]]]

[[WMG: When Gin hit the back of Shinichi's head on that fateful night, Shinichi actually just fell into a coma. And everything that ensued afterwards was {{All Just A Dream}}. That would explain everything. ]]

[[WMG: Ran is actually the last unicorn. ]]

[[WMG: Sooner or later...]]

[[WMG: Chikage, Kaito's mother, is really Vermouth]]

[[WMG: Officer Takagi knows that Conan isn't a kid]]

[[WMG: Conan's Bad Luck]]

[[WMG: Detective Conan is placed in the same universe as Gyakuten Saiban/Ace Attorney]]

[[WMG: Wataru Date was [[TheMole Scotch]]]]

[[WMG: Fukui Yuzuki was actually Kuroba Kaito in disguise.]]

[[WMG: Detective Picture Book guesses.]]

{{Franchise/{{Batman}} Bruce Wayne/The Batman}}

[[ComicBook/Blade Hannibal King]]

{{ComicBook/{{Hellblazer}} John Constantine}}

[[note]]Already posted this theory and some of the "reasoning" on the WMG/MagicKaito page, but oh well.[[/note]]Chikage if Toichi is actually dead, but it could be Toichi if he is FakingTheDead. Either he had to fake his death to protect his family from the Manga/MagicKaito organization, or he was actually killed and Chikage has turned [[LoveMakesYouEvil turned into]] [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds a MUCH worse criminal]] [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope as a result]]. Chikage and Toichi's surname means "black feather" and the ''Black'' Organization has been compared to crows; they got the idea for their organization's nickname from the Kuroba name (perhaps the official organization name involves the Kuroba name itself?), or, if "Kuroba Toichi" is an alias, Toichi took the name ''from'' the organization's nickname. "Chikage"'s name (''a thousand shadows'') may also weigh in her favor for being the leader. More things in her favor for this theory is that she is canonically, you know, ''alive'' and that she seemed to dress [[WomanInBlack in black]] during her thief days.

Which fictional [[GreatDetective detective]],[[PriveateDetective private eye]],AmateurSleuth, or even a criminal mastermind will be featured in [[Creator/GoshoAoyama Gosho Aoyama's]]Mystery Library in the next volume or so. Feel free to add your own ideas.

{{Franchise/Batman Bruce Wayne/The Batman}}

[[Literature/Dexter Dexter Morgan]]

{{ComicBook/Hellblazer John Constantine}}

[[ComicBookDickTracy Dick Tracy]]

[[WMG:Akai siblings and and the mysterious girl]]

So what if that influenced human was on the short end of the stick? What if, say, they were cheated on by a lover or were lied to and used by a supposed friend? Suppose they thought briefly of murdering that person in their anger and, after thinking over it a bit, started to embrace the thought and plan it out...

[[WMG: Vermouth's youth, her relations to ano kata, the workings of APX-4869 and why she keeps Haibara and Conans shrinkage a secret.]]

Imagine this. For some reason, Vermouth suddenly de-ages. Ano kata, or someone else sees her potential, or might even be greedy to get de-aged themselves.

Some part of the new ingredients added by sherry makes the de-ageing possible, now as a unwanted side-effect instead of it's full purpose.

So, Vermouth is the favourite of ano kata? Of course she is! She is the most valuable resource they have!

Why would vermouth not tell the organization about conan/haibara? Part sympathy, because the three of them are now the same. Perhaps greed, not wanting to share her age-less with more people. Maybe as a revenge, for the suffering the ano kata and miyanos put her through in the name of science.


So what was Bourbon referring to? well, it could be vermouth being ano katas labrat, but of course there could be something else behind it. Ano kata might just be someone she cares about (such as a child or a lover), and she might not want ano kata to achive his goals due to her knowing the pain of seeing the world flying past her?

Why do you think they can achieve such secrecy? They have control over the banks, the politicians, and the media without no one knowing it. For all we know, Obama, Bush, Gates, Rockefeller, and Jay Z are all part of the Black Organization. Only Conan can stop the New World Order.

Besides the whole gender thing, they're very similar. They both wear glasses, are extremely successful lawyers, the main protagonist knows not to mess with them, they both have long hair, ect. But Teru is insane, while Eri is not.

All of the antidotes were only supposed to last a short time, but because of Ran he tells his body to make them continue. It's kind of like a placebo effect.

Conan's murder magnetism/bad luck was caused by Akako. She transferred all of his luck to the Kaitou Kid because she was worried about him getting caught (by someone other than her). However, when Conan and Kaitou Kid are facing off directly the spell is negated. Kaitou Kid gets only his own (formidable) luck, while Conan stops being a murder magnet. This makes Kid heists body free zone guaranteed for Conan.

In this scenario, Date wasn't killed by accident; the Black Organization, discovering he was a mole, had sent an assassin after him, who only pretended to be a drowsy driver. Furthermore, Date may have been inadvertantly exposed by Akai's activities (relating to the marriage fraud Date was investigating?), which would explain Tooru's scorn towards the FBI. They got his friend killed through negligence.

Which fictional [[GreatDetective detective]],[[PriveateDetective private eye]],AmateurSleuth, or even a criminal mastermind will be featered in [[Creator/GoshoAoyama Gosho Aoyama's]]Mystery Library in the next volume or so. Feel free to add your own ideas.

[[Franchise/Batman Bruce Wayne/The Batman]]

[[Series/TheXFiles Agent Mulder and Agent Scully]]

[[ComicBook/Hellblazer John Constantine]]

[[Series/MamiVice James "Sonny" Crockett and Ricardo "Rico" Tubbs]]

[[WMG: Detective Picture Book guesses

[[Franchise/Batman Bruce Wayne aka Batman]]

[[Franchise/ScoobyDoo THe Mystery Gang]]

[[Series/Dexter Dexter Morgan]]

[[Series/VeronicaMars Veronica Mars