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* Well, it is certainly possible that Issac is merely seeing colonists as Necromorphs. The exact same situation happened to [Spoilers: Sam Caldwel in Dead Space: Extraction.]]
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* Well, it is certainly possible that Issac is merely seeing colonists as Necromorphs. The exact same situation happened to [Spoilers: [[Spoilers: Sam Caldwel in Dead Space: Extraction.]]
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What if Issac was actually killed by Necromorph Nicole at the end of the first game, in the second he was really a Necromorph killing colonists. The Marker's just tricking it into thinking it is Issac, and that the colonists are Necromorphs, which wouldn't bee too much of a stretch seeing as how powerful the hallucinations are for 'Issac'. Perhaps if this applied to all Necromorphs we could understand why they are so aggresive to all non-necromorphs, seeing as they're deluded into believing they are humans fighting monsters.
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What if Issac was actually killed by Necromorph Nicole at the end of the first game, in the second he was really a Necromorph killing colonists. The Marker's just tricking it into thinking it is Issac, and that the colonists are Necromorphs, which wouldn't bee too much of a stretch seeing as how powerful the hallucinations are for 'Issac'. Perhaps if this applied to all Necromorphs we could understand why they are so aggresive aggressive to all non-necromorphs, seeing as they're deluded into believing they are humans fighting monsters.monsters.
* Well, it is certainly possible that Issac is merely seeing colonists as Necromorphs. The exact same situation happened to [Spoilers: Sam Caldwel in Dead Space: Extraction.]]
* Well, it is certainly possible that Issac is merely seeing colonists as Necromorphs. The exact same situation happened to [Spoilers: Sam Caldwel in Dead Space: Extraction.]]
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The birds in the solar array are alive, despite their owner being killed by necromorphs in the same room. The plants in hydroponics on the Ishimura, in the first game must have had more biomass than all the people on the ship combined, but they were left alone. The markers only want thinking creatures, or humans specifically.
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The birds in the solar array are alive, despite their owner being killed by necromorphs in the same room. The plants in hydroponics on the Ishimura, in the first game must have had more biomass than all the people on the ship combined, but they were left alone. The markers only want thinking creatures, or humans specifically.specifically.
* Howard (The Watchman for the solar array) actually committed suicide, the Necromorphs didn't get him. Doesn't really disprove the theory, though.
* Howard (The Watchman for the solar array) actually committed suicide, the Necromorphs didn't get him. Doesn't really disprove the theory, though.
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What if Issac was actually killed by Necromorph Nicole at the end of the first game, in the second he was really a Necromorph killing colonists. The Marker's just tricking it into thinking it is Issac, and that the colonists are Necromorphs, which wouldn't bee too much of a stretch seeing as how powerful the hallucinations are for 'Issac'. Perhaps if this applied to all Necromorphs we could understand why they are so aggresive to all non-necromorphs, seeing as they're deluded into believing they are humans fighting monsters.
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What if Issac was actually killed by Necromorph Nicole at the end of the first game, in the second he was really a Necromorph killing colonists. The Marker's just tricking it into thinking it is Issac, and that the colonists are Necromorphs, which wouldn't bee too much of a stretch seeing as how powerful the hallucinations are for 'Issac'. Perhaps if this applied to all Necromorphs we could understand why they are so aggresive to all non-necromorphs, seeing as they're deluded into believing they are humans fighting monsters.monsters.
[[WMG: The marker only wants sapient creatures.]]
The birds in the solar array are alive, despite their owner being killed by necromorphs in the same room. The plants in hydroponics on the Ishimura, in the first game must have had more biomass than all the people on the ship combined, but they were left alone. The markers only want thinking creatures, or humans specifically.
[[WMG: The marker only wants sapient creatures.]]
The birds in the solar array are alive, despite their owner being killed by necromorphs in the same room. The plants in hydroponics on the Ishimura, in the first game must have had more biomass than all the people on the ship combined, but they were left alone. The markers only want thinking creatures, or humans specifically.
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What if Issac was actually killed by Necromorph Nicole at the end of the first game, in the second he was really a necromorph killing colonists. The Marker's just tricking it into thinking it is Issac and the colonists as Necromorphs, which wouldn't bee too much of a stretch seeing as how powerful the hallucinations are for Issac. Perhaps if this applied to all Necromorphs we could understand why they are so aggresive to all non-necromorphs, they're deluded into believing they are humans fighting monsters.
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What if Issac was actually killed by Necromorph Nicole at the end of the first game, in the second he was really a necromorph Necromorph killing colonists. The Marker's just tricking it into thinking it is Issac Issac, and that the colonists as are Necromorphs, which wouldn't bee too much of a stretch seeing as how powerful the hallucinations are for Issac. 'Issac'. Perhaps if this applied to all Necromorphs we could understand why they are so aggresive to all non-necromorphs, seeing as they're deluded into believing they are humans fighting monsters.
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Think about it, In DS1, Doctor Challus Mercer created the Hunter by stabbing a peice of necrotic tissue straight into the head of some poor guy (who was alive at the time). Franco got stabbed by an infector straight in the forhead while he was still alive. We never get to see his full transformation, and his whole frigging face rips off with tentacles coming out of his skull, whereas most slasher necromorphs have skin on the upper half of their faces. The Ubermorph has those light-bright eye-stalk things on his face, so Franco's face tentacles may have evolved into the glowing facial features of the Ubermorph. The Ubermorph also regenerates, just like the hunter did.
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Think about it, In DS1, Doctor Challus Mercer created the Hunter by stabbing a peice of necrotic tissue straight into the head of some poor guy (who was alive at the time). Franco got stabbed by an infector straight in the forhead while he was still alive. We never get to see his full transformation, and his whole frigging face rips off with tentacles coming out of his skull, whereas most slasher necromorphs have skin on the upper half of their faces. The Ubermorph has those light-bright eye-stalk things on his face, so Franco's face tentacles may have evolved into the glowing facial features of the Ubermorph. The Ubermorph also regenerates, just like the hunter did.did.
[[WMG: Issac is a Necromorph]]
What if Issac was actually killed by Necromorph Nicole at the end of the first game, in the second he was really a necromorph killing colonists. The Marker's just tricking it into thinking it is Issac and the colonists as Necromorphs, which wouldn't bee too much of a stretch seeing as how powerful the hallucinations are for Issac. Perhaps if this applied to all Necromorphs we could understand why they are so aggresive to all non-necromorphs, they're deluded into believing they are humans fighting monsters.
[[WMG: Issac is a Necromorph]]
What if Issac was actually killed by Necromorph Nicole at the end of the first game, in the second he was really a necromorph killing colonists. The Marker's just tricking it into thinking it is Issac and the colonists as Necromorphs, which wouldn't bee too much of a stretch seeing as how powerful the hallucinations are for Issac. Perhaps if this applied to all Necromorphs we could understand why they are so aggresive to all non-necromorphs, they're deluded into believing they are humans fighting monsters.
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While Isaac now has Ellie at his side, they'll never have enough time to stop Convergence if the Unitologists/EarthGov plan to activate them all at the same time. The only way to rid the galaxy of the [[spoiler:Marker]] threat will be to find a way to tap into the [[spoiler:Marker]] network and purge them all simultaneously.
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While Isaac now has Ellie at his side, they'll never have enough time to stop Convergence if the Unitologists/EarthGov plan to activate them all at the same time. The only way to rid the galaxy of the [[spoiler:Marker]] threat will be to find a way to tap into the [[spoiler:Marker]] network and purge them all simultaneously.simultaneously.
[[WMG: Franco is the Ubermorph]]
Think about it, In DS1, Doctor Challus Mercer created the Hunter by stabbing a peice of necrotic tissue straight into the head of some poor guy (who was alive at the time). Franco got stabbed by an infector straight in the forhead while he was still alive. We never get to see his full transformation, and his whole frigging face rips off with tentacles coming out of his skull, whereas most slasher necromorphs have skin on the upper half of their faces. The Ubermorph has those light-bright eye-stalk things on his face, so Franco's face tentacles may have evolved into the glowing facial features of the Ubermorph. The Ubermorph also regenerates, just like the hunter did.
[[WMG: Franco is the Ubermorph]]
Think about it, In DS1, Doctor Challus Mercer created the Hunter by stabbing a peice of necrotic tissue straight into the head of some poor guy (who was alive at the time). Franco got stabbed by an infector straight in the forhead while he was still alive. We never get to see his full transformation, and his whole frigging face rips off with tentacles coming out of his skull, whereas most slasher necromorphs have skin on the upper half of their faces. The Ubermorph has those light-bright eye-stalk things on his face, so Franco's face tentacles may have evolved into the glowing facial features of the Ubermorph. The Ubermorph also regenerates, just like the hunter did.
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* While on [[spoiler: the Ishimura]], we get a log entry that states that the Necromorphs aboard were turned into goop when the Red Marker was destroyed. However, it also states that the moment that the goop enters the range of a Marker signal, it begins to reanimate. Earth Gov built [[spoiler: a gigantic Marker, with an effective range of MILES]], with [[spoiler: the Ishimura]] well within range. Put two and two together, please.
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* While on [[spoiler: the Ishimura]], we get a log entry that states that the Necromorphs aboard were turned into goop when the Red Marker was destroyed. However, it also states that the moment that the goop enters the range of a Marker signal, it begins to reanimate. Earth Gov built [[spoiler: a gigantic Marker, with an effective range of MILES]], with [[spoiler: the Ishimura]] well within range. Put two and two together, please.please.
[[WMG: Dead Space 3 will be about finding a way to take out [[spoiler:all eleven remaining Markers at once.]]]]
While Isaac now has Ellie at his side, they'll never have enough time to stop Convergence if the Unitologists/EarthGov plan to activate them all at the same time. The only way to rid the galaxy of the [[spoiler:Marker]] threat will be to find a way to tap into the [[spoiler:Marker]] network and purge them all simultaneously.
[[WMG: Dead Space 3 will be about finding a way to take out [[spoiler:all eleven remaining Markers at once.]]]]
While Isaac now has Ellie at his side, they'll never have enough time to stop Convergence if the Unitologists/EarthGov plan to activate them all at the same time. The only way to rid the galaxy of the [[spoiler:Marker]] threat will be to find a way to tap into the [[spoiler:Marker]] network and purge them all simultaneously.
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[[WMG: The [[spoiler: Ishimura]] is the source of the Necromorphs on the Sprawl.]]
* While on [[spoiler: the Ishimura]], we get a log entry that states that the Necromorphs aboard were turned into goop when the Red Marker was destroyed. However, it also states that the moment that the goop enters the range of a Marker signal, it begins to reanimate. Earth Gov built [[spoiler: a gigantic Marker, with an effective range of MILES]], with [[spoiler: the Ishimura]] well within range. Put two and two together, please.
* While on [[spoiler: the Ishimura]], we get a log entry that states that the Necromorphs aboard were turned into goop when the Red Marker was destroyed. However, it also states that the moment that the goop enters the range of a Marker signal, it begins to reanimate. Earth Gov built [[spoiler: a gigantic Marker, with an effective range of MILES]], with [[spoiler: the Ishimura]] well within range. Put two and two together, please.
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** However, the ImplacableMan makes an appearance when you first let the necromorphs swarm the government sector. If you look, you'll see him. [[FridgeBrilliance How else would an army of necromorphs be able to swarm over 200 heavily armed men so quickly? One of them is literally unkillable!]] However, this is still likely. However, it is possible that the Hive Mind in DeadSpace was malformed or a mutant, due to the fact that the Red Marker was a failed experiment.
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In both games, the two Markers seem to have opposite objectives; one repels necromorphs and is the key to holding them at bay, the other attracts them and attempts a Convergence Event. But why assume that all these Markers were made by the same people for the same purpose? What if the Marker that stops necromorphs - the 'good' Marker - was created to stop the 'bad' Markers, like some sort of war with giant chesspieces? The human government is assuming that all the Markers do the same thing, when they're actually unwittingly recreating a war with the left-over pieces. (As to why the 'blueprints' of a good Marker made a bad Marker - remember that the humans are only barely understanding how they work. It's fully possible that during the process of reverse-engingeering the Marker they made a mistake, creating a 'bad' Marker. Especially if you assume that 'good' Markers are modified 'bad' Markers.)
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In both games, the two Markers seem to have opposite objectives; one repels necromorphs and is the key to holding them at bay, the other attracts them and attempts a Convergence Event. But why assume that all these Markers were made by the same people for the same purpose? What if the Marker that stops necromorphs - the 'good' Marker - was created to stop the 'bad' Markers, like some sort of war with giant chesspieces? The human government is assuming that all the Markers do the same thing, when they're actually unwittingly recreating a war with the left-over pieces. (As to why the 'blueprints' of a good Marker made a bad Marker - remember that the humans are only barely understanding how they work. It's fully possible that during the process of reverse-engingeering the Marker they made a mistake, creating a 'bad' Marker. Especially if you assume that 'good' Markers are modified 'bad' Markers.))
[[WMG: The Markers computers that were made by Intelligent Machines, to prevent intelligent life from forming.]]
* The Markers are physical representations of heuristic algorithms. They transmit a signal that causes either mass insanity or visions to cause their replication. The Marker signal causes necromorphs. The Markers are able to infiltrate the human mind with incredible skill. As one scientist put it, the Markers WANT to be duplicated, and subtly manipulated those around them into doing so. Why? Because a group of intelligent machines, after purging their sector of the galaxy of the "fleshies" decided to make a way to keep them from ever being a threat again. They created the marker, a device that would decimate life forms, yet would inevitably cause those life forms to duplicate them. Convergence events occur when so many bodies reach the Marker that it sends a signal. If the signal is strong enough, the creators of the Marker come to wipe out the "fleshies". And why must the creators of the Marker die? Because the Marker has the same weakness as their creators.
[[WMG: The Markers computers that were made by Intelligent Machines, to prevent intelligent life from forming.]]
* The Markers are physical representations of heuristic algorithms. They transmit a signal that causes either mass insanity or visions to cause their replication. The Marker signal causes necromorphs. The Markers are able to infiltrate the human mind with incredible skill. As one scientist put it, the Markers WANT to be duplicated, and subtly manipulated those around them into doing so. Why? Because a group of intelligent machines, after purging their sector of the galaxy of the "fleshies" decided to make a way to keep them from ever being a threat again. They created the marker, a device that would decimate life forms, yet would inevitably cause those life forms to duplicate them. Convergence events occur when so many bodies reach the Marker that it sends a signal. If the signal is strong enough, the creators of the Marker come to wipe out the "fleshies". And why must the creators of the Marker die? Because the Marker has the same weakness as their creators.
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After the events of Dead Space 2, [[spoiler:Isaac will become determined to blow up Markers everywhere. No longer afraid after literally destroying a Marker with his mind, Isaac becomes a crusader against everyone responsible for starting the dangerous Marker projects. Unfortunately, Ellie just wants to survive and decides not to join him on his impossible mission. She may or may not end up with him again, depending on whether or not he can convince her that he's not only serious, but very, very capable of accomplishing his goal.]]
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After the events of Dead Space 2, [[spoiler:Isaac will become determined to blow up Markers everywhere. No longer afraid after literally destroying a Marker with his mind, Isaac becomes a crusader against everyone responsible for starting the dangerous Marker projects. Unfortunately, Ellie just wants to survive and decides not to join him on his impossible mission. She may or may not end up with him again, depending on whether or not he can convince her that he's not only serious, but very, very capable of accomplishing his goal.]]]]
[[WMG: There are 'good' Markers and 'bad' Markers]]
In both games, the two Markers seem to have opposite objectives; one repels necromorphs and is the key to holding them at bay, the other attracts them and attempts a Convergence Event. But why assume that all these Markers were made by the same people for the same purpose? What if the Marker that stops necromorphs - the 'good' Marker - was created to stop the 'bad' Markers, like some sort of war with giant chesspieces? The human government is assuming that all the Markers do the same thing, when they're actually unwittingly recreating a war with the left-over pieces. (As to why the 'blueprints' of a good Marker made a bad Marker - remember that the humans are only barely understanding how they work. It's fully possible that during the process of reverse-engingeering the Marker they made a mistake, creating a 'bad' Marker. Especially if you assume that 'good' Markers are modified 'bad' Markers.)
[[WMG: There are 'good' Markers and 'bad' Markers]]
In both games, the two Markers seem to have opposite objectives; one repels necromorphs and is the key to holding them at bay, the other attracts them and attempts a Convergence Event. But why assume that all these Markers were made by the same people for the same purpose? What if the Marker that stops necromorphs - the 'good' Marker - was created to stop the 'bad' Markers, like some sort of war with giant chesspieces? The human government is assuming that all the Markers do the same thing, when they're actually unwittingly recreating a war with the left-over pieces. (As to why the 'blueprints' of a good Marker made a bad Marker - remember that the humans are only barely understanding how they work. It's fully possible that during the process of reverse-engingeering the Marker they made a mistake, creating a 'bad' Marker. Especially if you assume that 'good' Markers are modified 'bad' Markers.)
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[[WMG: In Dead Space 3 [[spoiler:Ellie and Isaac will be separated at the start.]]]]
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[[WMG: In Dead Space 3 [[spoiler:Ellie Ellie and Isaac will be separated at the start.]]]]]]
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After the events of Dead Space 2, [[spoiler:Isaac will become determined to blow up Markers everywhere, wanting to make sure the universe never has to see another Necromorph ever again. No longer afraid of the horrible army of the dead after literally destroying a Marker with his mind, Isaac becomes a crusader against everyone responsible for starting the dangerous Marker projects. Unfortunately, Ellie just wants to survive and decides not to join him on his impossible mission. She may or may not end up with him again, depending on whether or not he can convince her that he's not only serious, but very, very capable of accomplishing his goal.]]
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After the events of Dead Space 2, [[spoiler:Isaac will become determined to blow up Markers everywhere, wanting to make sure the universe never has to see another Necromorph ever again. everywhere. No longer afraid of the horrible army of the dead after literally destroying a Marker with his mind, Isaac becomes a crusader against everyone responsible for starting the dangerous Marker projects. Unfortunately, Ellie just wants to survive and decides not to join him on his impossible mission. She may or may not end up with him again, depending on whether or not he can convince her that he's not only serious, but very, very capable of accomplishing his goal.]]
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After the events of Dead Space 2, [[spoiler:Isaac will become determined to blow up Markers everywhere, wanting to make sure the universe never has to see another Necromorph ever again. No longer afraid of the horrible army of the dead after literally destroying one with his mind, Isaac becomes a crusader against everyone responsible for starting the dangerous Marker projects. Unfortunately, Ellie just wants to survive and decides not to join him on his impossible mission. She may or may not end up with him again, depending on whether or not he can convince her that he's not only serious, but very, very capable of accomplishing his goal.]]
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After the events of Dead Space 2, [[spoiler:Isaac will become determined to blow up Markers everywhere, wanting to make sure the universe never has to see another Necromorph ever again. No longer afraid of the horrible army of the dead after literally destroying one a Marker with his mind, Isaac becomes a crusader against everyone responsible for starting the dangerous Marker projects. Unfortunately, Ellie just wants to survive and decides not to join him on his impossible mission. She may or may not end up with him again, depending on whether or not he can convince her that he's not only serious, but very, very capable of accomplishing his goal.]]
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Yes, we all know that mostly when she shows up [[BringMyBrownPants our pants get filled]], but she's giving rather pointed [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech reason why you suck speeches.]] Then comes the hallucination in the mines where Isaac finally admits how important Nicole was to him and [[spoiler:suddenly it's Normal!Nicole talking to him.]] All the subsequent times she appears she looks and acts like [[spoiler:the normal Nicole.]] But then she [[spoiler:betrays Isaac at the Marker, right?]] Well, what if she didn't really? Nicole [[spoiler:attempting to dominate his mind]] is the final straw for Isaac as he curses out the marker and [[spoiler:Nicole]]. Him being able to shoot at and 'kill' [[spoiler:Nicole in his mind]] is symbolic of finally letting go of his guilt over not saving Nicole. Then maybe [[spoiler:Nicole really did want to help, and betrayed him in order to make him let her go and destroy the Marker. After all, Isaac psychically destroyed the Marker by killing Nicole, so it worked in the end.]]
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Yes, we all know that mostly when she shows up [[BringMyBrownPants our pants get filled]], but she's giving rather pointed [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech reason why you suck speeches.]] Then comes the hallucination in the mines where Isaac finally admits how important Nicole was to him and [[spoiler:suddenly it's Normal!Nicole talking to him.]] All the subsequent times she appears she looks and acts like [[spoiler:the normal Nicole.]] But then she [[spoiler:betrays Isaac at the Marker, right?]] Well, what if she didn't really? Nicole [[spoiler:attempting to dominate his mind]] is the final straw for Isaac as he curses out the marker and [[spoiler:Nicole]]. Him being able to shoot at and 'kill' [[spoiler:Nicole in his mind]] is symbolic of finally letting go of his guilt over not saving Nicole. Then maybe [[spoiler:Nicole really did want to help, and betrayed him in order to make him let her go and destroy the Marker. After all, Isaac psychically destroyed the Marker by killing Nicole, so it worked in the end.]]
[[WMG: In Dead Space 3 [[spoiler:Ellie and Isaac will be separated at the start.]]]]
After the events of Dead Space 2, [[spoiler:Isaac will become determined to blow up Markers everywhere, wanting to make sure the universe never has to see another Necromorph ever again. No longer afraid of the horrible army of the dead after literally destroying one with his mind, Isaac becomes a crusader against everyone responsible for starting the dangerous Marker projects. Unfortunately, Ellie just wants to survive and decides not to join him on his impossible mission. She may or may not end up with him again, depending on whether or not he can convince her that he's not only serious, but very, very capable of accomplishing his goal.]]
[[WMG: In Dead Space 3 [[spoiler:Ellie and Isaac will be separated at the start.]]]]
After the events of Dead Space 2, [[spoiler:Isaac will become determined to blow up Markers everywhere, wanting to make sure the universe never has to see another Necromorph ever again. No longer afraid of the horrible army of the dead after literally destroying one with his mind, Isaac becomes a crusader against everyone responsible for starting the dangerous Marker projects. Unfortunately, Ellie just wants to survive and decides not to join him on his impossible mission. She may or may not end up with him again, depending on whether or not he can convince her that he's not only serious, but very, very capable of accomplishing his goal.]]
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* Except [[spoiler:Kendra was flattened by the hive mind in the first one and then her body atomized by the collision of the cork into the planet.]] Now, I think it would be alright to say they might be related worked together.
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* Except [[spoiler:Kendra was flattened by the hive mind in the first one and then her body atomized by the collision of the cork into the planet.]] Now, I think it would be alright to say they might be related or worked together.
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[[WMG: The 'Him' Stross is so afraid of is [[spoiler: Altman]] ]]
It's not his wife, or his son who he's seeing like Isaac sees Nicole. He reacts positively or guiltily when he 'sees' them. He's TERRIFIED of 'Him' though. He's seeing visions of Altman, [[spoiler: who is NOT the same entity as Nicole, but is a driving force behind the 'Make Markers' mentality]] and can 'force' Convergence onto those that have had Marker Exposure. [[spoiler: He doesn't attack Issac, yet, as he knows that his will is too strong for him to dominate at the moment.]]
* I thought he was terrified of "her" because "she" is waiting for him in the machine. He referred to a female, not a male. The problem with it being Altman is [[spoiler:that Altman actually hated the Black Marker, hated the idea of Unitology and being thought of as a messiah and he was murdered and his name was ruined by a couple of government bastards. Unless it's just the Marker's projection of Altman and not a manifestation of the man himself, like a piece of him left behind (I only say this because it's implied that Altman had a vision of Isaac in 'Martyr').]]
** Also the fact Stross mentions how big he has gotten, how much he has grown. This would really imply it was a child important to him in some regard.
It's not his wife, or his son who he's seeing like Isaac sees Nicole. He reacts positively or guiltily when he 'sees' them. He's TERRIFIED of 'Him' though. He's seeing visions of Altman, [[spoiler: who is NOT the same entity as Nicole, but is a driving force behind the 'Make Markers' mentality]] and can 'force' Convergence onto those that have had Marker Exposure. [[spoiler: He doesn't attack Issac, yet, as he knows that his will is too strong for him to dominate at the moment.]]
* I thought he was terrified of "her" because "she" is waiting for him in the machine. He referred to a female, not a male. The problem with it being Altman is [[spoiler:that Altman actually hated the Black Marker, hated the idea of Unitology and being thought of as a messiah and he was murdered and his name was ruined by a couple of government bastards. Unless it's just the Marker's projection of Altman and not a manifestation of the man himself, like a piece of him left behind (I only say this because it's implied that Altman had a vision of Isaac in 'Martyr').]]
** Also the fact Stross mentions how big he has gotten, how much he has grown. This would really imply it was a child important to him in some regard.
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*Except [[spoiler:Kendra was flattened by the hive mind in the first one and then her body atomized by the collision of the cork into the planet.]] Now, I think it would be alright to say they might be related worked together.
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** Also the fact Stross mentions how big he has gotten, how much he has grown. This would really imply it was a child important to him in some regard.
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Yes, we all know that mostly when she shows up [[BringMyBrownPants our pants get filled]], but she's giving rather pointed [[ReasonWhyYouSuckSpeech reason why you suck speeches.]] Then comes the hallucination in the mines where Isaac finally admits how important Nicole was to him and [[spoiler:suddenly it's Normal!Nicole talking to him.]] All the subsequent times she appears she looks and acts like [[spoiler:the normal Nicole.]] But then she [[spoiler:betrays Isaac at the Marker, right?]] Well, what if she didn't really? Nicole [[spoiler:attempting to dominate his mind]] is the final straw for Isaac as he curses out the marker and [[spoiler:Nicole]]. Him being able to shoot at and 'kill' [[spoiler:Nicole in his mind]] is symbolic of finally letting go of his guilt over not saving Nicole. Then maybe [[spoiler:Nicole really did want to help, and betrayed him in order to make him let her go and destroy the Marker. After all, Isaac psychically destroyed the Marker by killing Nicole, so it worked in the end.]]
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Yes, we all know that mostly when she shows up [[BringMyBrownPants our pants get filled]], but she's giving rather pointed [[ReasonWhyYouSuckSpeech [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech reason why you suck speeches.]] Then comes the hallucination in the mines where Isaac finally admits how important Nicole was to him and [[spoiler:suddenly it's Normal!Nicole talking to him.]] All the subsequent times she appears she looks and acts like [[spoiler:the normal Nicole.]] But then she [[spoiler:betrays Isaac at the Marker, right?]] Well, what if she didn't really? Nicole [[spoiler:attempting to dominate his mind]] is the final straw for Isaac as he curses out the marker and [[spoiler:Nicole]]. Him being able to shoot at and 'kill' [[spoiler:Nicole in his mind]] is symbolic of finally letting go of his guilt over not saving Nicole. Then maybe [[spoiler:Nicole really did want to help, and betrayed him in order to make him let her go and destroy the Marker. After all, Isaac psychically destroyed the Marker by killing Nicole, so it worked in the end.]]
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Yes, we all know that mostly when she shows up [[BringMyBrownPants our pants get filled]], but she's giving rather pointed [[TheReasonWhyYouSuckSpeech reason that you suck speeches.]] Then comes the hallucination in the mines where Isaac finally admits how important Nicole was to him and [[spoiler:suddenly it's Normal!Nicole talking to him.]] All the subsequent times she appears she looks and acts like [[spoiler:the normal Nicole.]] But then she [[spoiler:betrays Isaac at the Marker, right?]] Well, what if she didn't really? Nicole [[spoiler:attempting to dominate his mind]] is the final straw for Isaac as he curses out the marker and [[spoiler:Nicole]]. Him being able to shoot at and 'kill' [[spoiler:Nicole in his mind]] is symbolic of finally letting go of his guilt over not saving Nicole. Then maybe [[spoiler:Nicole really did want to help, and betrayed him in order to make him let her go and destroy the Marker. After all, Isaac psychically destroyed the Marker by killing Nicole, so it worked in the end.]]
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Yes, we all know that mostly when she shows up [[BringMyBrownPants our pants get filled]], but she's giving rather pointed [[TheReasonWhyYouSuckSpeech [[ReasonWhyYouSuckSpeech reason that why you suck speeches.]] Then comes the hallucination in the mines where Isaac finally admits how important Nicole was to him and [[spoiler:suddenly it's Normal!Nicole talking to him.]] All the subsequent times she appears she looks and acts like [[spoiler:the normal Nicole.]] But then she [[spoiler:betrays Isaac at the Marker, right?]] Well, what if she didn't really? Nicole [[spoiler:attempting to dominate his mind]] is the final straw for Isaac as he curses out the marker and [[spoiler:Nicole]]. Him being able to shoot at and 'kill' [[spoiler:Nicole in his mind]] is symbolic of finally letting go of his guilt over not saving Nicole. Then maybe [[spoiler:Nicole really did want to help, and betrayed him in order to make him let her go and destroy the Marker. After all, Isaac psychically destroyed the Marker by killing Nicole, so it worked in the end.]]
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Yes, we all know that mostly when she shows up [[BringMyBrownPants our pants get filled]], but she's giving rather pointed [[TheReasonThatYouSuckSpeech reason that you suck speeches.]] Then comes the hallucination in the mines where Isaac finally admits how important Nicole was to him and [[spoiler:suddenly it's Normal!Nicole talking to him.]] All the subsequent times she appears she looks and acts like [[spoiler:the normal Nicole.]] But then she [[spoiler:betrays Isaac at the Marker, right?]] Well, what if she didn't really? Nicole [[spoiler:attempting to dominate his mind]] is the final straw for Isaac as he curses out the marker and [[spoiler:Nicole]]. Him being able to shoot at and 'kill' [[spoiler:Nicole in his mind]] is symbolic of finally letting go of his guilt over not saving Nicole. Then maybe [[spoiler:Nicole really did want to help, and betrayed him in order to make him let her go and destroy the Marker. After all, Isaac psychically destroyed the Marker by killing Nicole, so it worked in the end.]]
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Yes, we all know that mostly when she shows up [[BringMyBrownPants our pants get filled]], but she's giving rather pointed [[TheReasonThatYouSuckSpeech [[TheReasonWhyYouSuckSpeech reason that you suck speeches.]] Then comes the hallucination in the mines where Isaac finally admits how important Nicole was to him and [[spoiler:suddenly it's Normal!Nicole talking to him.]] All the subsequent times she appears she looks and acts like [[spoiler:the normal Nicole.]] But then she [[spoiler:betrays Isaac at the Marker, right?]] Well, what if she didn't really? Nicole [[spoiler:attempting to dominate his mind]] is the final straw for Isaac as he curses out the marker and [[spoiler:Nicole]]. Him being able to shoot at and 'kill' [[spoiler:Nicole in his mind]] is symbolic of finally letting go of his guilt over not saving Nicole. Then maybe [[spoiler:Nicole really did want to help, and betrayed him in order to make him let her go and destroy the Marker. After all, Isaac psychically destroyed the Marker by killing Nicole, so it worked in the end.]]
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Yes, we all know that mostly when she shows up [[BringMyBrownPants our pants get filled]], but she's giving rather pointed [[ReasonThatYouSuckSpeech reason that you suck speeches.]] Then comes the hallucination in the mines where Isaac finally admits how important Nicole was to him and [[spoiler:suddenly it's Normal!Nicole talking to him.]] All the subsequent times she appears she looks and acts like [[spoiler:the normal Nicole.]] But then she [[spoiler:betrays Isaac at the Marker, right?]] Well, what if she didn't really? Nicole [[spoiler:attempting to dominate his mind]] is the final straw for Isaac as he curses out the marker and [[spoiler:Nicole]]. Him being able to shoot at and 'kill' [[spoiler:Nicole in his mind]] is symbolic of finally letting go of his guilt over not saving Nicole. Then maybe [[spoiler:Nicole really did want to help, and betrayed him in order to make him let her go and destroy the Marker. After all, Isaac psychically destroyed the Marker by killing Nicole, so it worked in the end.]]
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Yes, we all know that mostly when she shows up [[BringMyBrownPants our pants get filled]], but she's giving rather pointed [[ReasonThatYouSuckSpeech [[TheReasonThatYouSuckSpeech reason that you suck speeches.]] Then comes the hallucination in the mines where Isaac finally admits how important Nicole was to him and [[spoiler:suddenly it's Normal!Nicole talking to him.]] All the subsequent times she appears she looks and acts like [[spoiler:the normal Nicole.]] But then she [[spoiler:betrays Isaac at the Marker, right?]] Well, what if she didn't really? Nicole [[spoiler:attempting to dominate his mind]] is the final straw for Isaac as he curses out the marker and [[spoiler:Nicole]]. Him being able to shoot at and 'kill' [[spoiler:Nicole in his mind]] is symbolic of finally letting go of his guilt over not saving Nicole. Then maybe [[spoiler:Nicole really did want to help, and betrayed him in order to make him let her go and destroy the Marker. After all, Isaac psychically destroyed the Marker by killing Nicole, so it worked in the end.]]
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* I thought he was terrified of "her" because "she" is waiting for him in the machine. He referred to a female, not a male. The problem with it being Altman is [[spoiler:that Altman actually hated the Black Marker, hated the idea of Unitology and being thought of as a messiah and he was murdered and his name was ruined by a couple of government bastards. Unless it's just the Marker's projection of Altman and not a manifestation of the man himself, like a piece of him left behind (I only say this because it's implied that Altman had a vision of Isaac in 'Martyr').]]
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* I thought he was terrified of "her" because "she" is waiting for him in the machine. He referred to a female, not a male. The problem with it being Altman is [[spoiler:that Altman actually hated the Black Marker, hated the idea of Unitology and being thought of as a messiah and he was murdered and his name was ruined by a couple of government bastards. Unless it's just the Marker's projection of Altman and not a manifestation of the man himself, like a piece of him left behind (I only say this because it's implied that Altman had a vision of Isaac in 'Martyr').]]
[[WMG: The Nicole hallucinations are actually trying to help.]]
Yes, we all know that mostly when she shows up [[BringMyBrownPants our pants get filled]], but she's giving rather pointed [[ReasonThatYouSuckSpeech reason that you suck speeches.]] Then comes the hallucination in the mines where Isaac finally admits how important Nicole was to him and [[spoiler:suddenly it's Normal!Nicole talking to him.]] All the subsequent times she appears she looks and acts like [[spoiler:the normal Nicole.]] But then she [[spoiler:betrays Isaac at the Marker, right?]] Well, what if she didn't really? Nicole [[spoiler:attempting to dominate his mind]] is the final straw for Isaac as he curses out the marker and [[spoiler:Nicole]]. Him being able to shoot at and 'kill' [[spoiler:Nicole in his mind]] is symbolic of finally letting go of his guilt over not saving Nicole. Then maybe [[spoiler:Nicole really did want to help, and betrayed him in order to make him let her go and destroy the Marker. After all, Isaac psychically destroyed the Marker by killing Nicole, so it worked in the end.]]
[[WMG: The Nicole hallucinations are actually trying to help.]]
Yes, we all know that mostly when she shows up [[BringMyBrownPants our pants get filled]], but she's giving rather pointed [[ReasonThatYouSuckSpeech reason that you suck speeches.]] Then comes the hallucination in the mines where Isaac finally admits how important Nicole was to him and [[spoiler:suddenly it's Normal!Nicole talking to him.]] All the subsequent times she appears she looks and acts like [[spoiler:the normal Nicole.]] But then she [[spoiler:betrays Isaac at the Marker, right?]] Well, what if she didn't really? Nicole [[spoiler:attempting to dominate his mind]] is the final straw for Isaac as he curses out the marker and [[spoiler:Nicole]]. Him being able to shoot at and 'kill' [[spoiler:Nicole in his mind]] is symbolic of finally letting go of his guilt over not saving Nicole. Then maybe [[spoiler:Nicole really did want to help, and betrayed him in order to make him let her go and destroy the Marker. After all, Isaac psychically destroyed the Marker by killing Nicole, so it worked in the end.]]
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* I thought he was terrified of "her" because "she" is waiting for him in the machine. The problem with it being Altman is [[spoiler:that Altman actually hated the Black Marker, hated the idea of Unitology and being thought of as a messiah and he was murdered and his name was ruined by a couple of government bastards. Unless it's just the Marker's projection of Altman and not a manifestation of the man himself, like a piece of him left behind (I only say this because it's implied that Altman had a vision of Isaac in 'Martyr').]]
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* I thought he was terrified of "her" because "she" is waiting for him in the machine. He referred to a female, not a male. The problem with it being Altman is [[spoiler:that Altman actually hated the Black Marker, hated the idea of Unitology and being thought of as a messiah and he was murdered and his name was ruined by a couple of government bastards. Unless it's just the Marker's projection of Altman and not a manifestation of the man himself, like a piece of him left behind (I only say this because it's implied that Altman had a vision of Isaac in 'Martyr').]]
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It's not his wife, or his son who he's seeing like Isaac sees Nicole. He reacts positively or guiltily when he 'sees' them. He's TERRIFIED of 'Him' though. He's seeing visions of Altman, [[spoiler: who is NOT the same entity as Nicole, but is a driving force behind the 'Make Markers' mentality]] and can 'force' Convergence onto those that have had Marker Exposure. [[spoiler: He doesn't attack Issac, yet, as he knows that his will is too strong for him to dominate at the moment.]]
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It's not his wife, or his son who he's seeing like Isaac sees Nicole. He reacts positively or guiltily when he 'sees' them. He's TERRIFIED of 'Him' though. He's seeing visions of Altman, [[spoiler: who is NOT the same entity as Nicole, but is a driving force behind the 'Make Markers' mentality]] and can 'force' Convergence onto those that have had Marker Exposure. [[spoiler: He doesn't attack Issac, yet, as he knows that his will is too strong for him to dominate at the moment.]]
* I thought he was terrified of "her" because "she" is waiting for him in the machine. The problem with it being Altman is [[spoiler:that Altman actually hated the Black Marker, hated the idea of Unitology and being thought of as a messiah and he was murdered and his name was ruined by a couple of government bastards. Unless it's just the Marker's projection of Altman and not a manifestation of the man himself, like a piece of him left behind (I only say this because it's implied that Altman had a vision of Isaac in 'Martyr').]]
* I thought he was terrified of "her" because "she" is waiting for him in the machine. The problem with it being Altman is [[spoiler:that Altman actually hated the Black Marker, hated the idea of Unitology and being thought of as a messiah and he was murdered and his name was ruined by a couple of government bastards. Unless it's just the Marker's projection of Altman and not a manifestation of the man himself, like a piece of him left behind (I only say this because it's implied that Altman had a vision of Isaac in 'Martyr').]]
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[[WMG: The 'Him' Stross is so afraid of is Altman]]
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[[WMG: The 'Him' Stross is so afraid of is Altman]][[spoiler: Altman]] ]]
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Considering our dear friend the regenerating ImplacableMan looks an awful lot like a more humanoid Hive Mind (with those five eyes and all) and that the Marker needed lots of bodies, it's possible.
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Considering our dear friend the regenerating ImplacableMan looks an awful lot like a more humanoid Hive Mind (with those five eyes and all) and that the Marker needed lots of bodies, it's possible.possible.
[[WMG: The 'Him' Stross is so afraid of is Altman]]
It's not his wife, or his son who he's seeing like Isaac sees Nicole. He reacts positively or guiltily when he 'sees' them. He's TERRIFIED of 'Him' though. He's seeing visions of Altman, [[spoiler: who is NOT the same entity as Nicole, but is a driving force behind the 'Make Markers' mentality]] and can 'force' Convergence onto those that have had Marker Exposure. [[spoiler: He doesn't attack Issac, yet, as he knows that his will is too strong for him to dominate at the moment.]]
[[WMG: The 'Him' Stross is so afraid of is Altman]]
It's not his wife, or his son who he's seeing like Isaac sees Nicole. He reacts positively or guiltily when he 'sees' them. He's TERRIFIED of 'Him' though. He's seeing visions of Altman, [[spoiler: who is NOT the same entity as Nicole, but is a driving force behind the 'Make Markers' mentality]] and can 'force' Convergence onto those that have had Marker Exposure. [[spoiler: He doesn't attack Issac, yet, as he knows that his will is too strong for him to dominate at the moment.]]
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[[spoiler:Why did the Red and Black Markers repel the Necromorphs while the Titan Marker attracts them? The Black and Red Markers want to be constantly replicated and spread, and to do this they imprint the blueprints into unlucky people's heads. At the time of the Red and Black Markers, there weren't enough, but three years later with Isaac's involuntary help, they've created either enough Markers or strong enough Markers to prepare for Convergence. This might explain the ContinuitySnarl and Retcon that occurs between DS1 and DS2.]]
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[[spoiler:Why did the Red and Black Markers repel the Necromorphs while the Titan Marker attracts them? The Black and Red Markers want to be constantly replicated and spread, and to do this they imprint the blueprints into unlucky people's heads. At the time of the Red and Black Markers, there weren't enough, but three years later with Isaac's involuntary help, they've created either enough Markers or strong enough Markers to prepare for Convergence. This might explain the ContinuitySnarl and Retcon that occurs between DS1 and DS2.]]]]
[[WMG:Convergence creates a new Hive Mind]]
Considering our dear friend the regenerating ImplacableMan looks an awful lot like a more humanoid Hive Mind (with those five eyes and all) and that the Marker needed lots of bodies, it's possible.
[[WMG:Convergence creates a new Hive Mind]]
Considering our dear friend the regenerating ImplacableMan looks an awful lot like a more humanoid Hive Mind (with those five eyes and all) and that the Marker needed lots of bodies, it's possible.
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Well, both of them are helpers [[spoiler:and betrayers in the end]].
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Well, both of them are helpers [[spoiler:and betrayers in the end]].end]].
[[WMG:The Red and Black Markers were not ready for Convergence.]]
[[spoiler:Why did the Red and Black Markers repel the Necromorphs while the Titan Marker attracts them? The Black and Red Markers want to be constantly replicated and spread, and to do this they imprint the blueprints into unlucky people's heads. At the time of the Red and Black Markers, there weren't enough, but three years later with Isaac's involuntary help, they've created either enough Markers or strong enough Markers to prepare for Convergence. This might explain the ContinuitySnarl and Retcon that occurs between DS1 and DS2.]]
[[WMG:The Red and Black Markers were not ready for Convergence.]]
[[spoiler:Why did the Red and Black Markers repel the Necromorphs while the Titan Marker attracts them? The Black and Red Markers want to be constantly replicated and spread, and to do this they imprint the blueprints into unlucky people's heads. At the time of the Red and Black Markers, there weren't enough, but three years later with Isaac's involuntary help, they've created either enough Markers or strong enough Markers to prepare for Convergence. This might explain the ContinuitySnarl and Retcon that occurs between DS1 and DS2.]]
