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* Well with the release of the Bounty Hunters comic, it's now entirely possible that he was probably the equivalent of ThePunisher before he joined your gang of crooks and exiles at the Hamlet.

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* Well with the release of the Bounty Hunters comic, it's now entirely possible that he was probably the equivalent of ThePunisher ComicBook/ThePunisher before he joined your gang of crooks and exiles at the Hamlet.
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Another one based on similar appearances. The corrupt officer in the Houndmaster's comic looks a lot like the crime lord the Bounty Hunter kills, and the crime lord's mooks look to be wearing uniforms. Who would post a bounty on a chief of police, though? Someone who knows what they've actually done. The Houndmaster has no shortage of evidence, as shown by his Crimson Court trinket, so the morally-gray anti-hero Bounty Hunter would still take the job and probably enjoy it.

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Another one based on similar appearances. The corrupt officer in the Houndmaster's comic looks a lot like the crime lord the Bounty Hunter kills, and the crime lord's mooks look to be wearing uniforms. Who would post a bounty on a chief of police, though? Someone who knows what they've actually done. The Houndmaster has no shortage of evidence, as shown by his Crimson Court trinket, so the morally-gray anti-hero Bounty Hunter would still take the job and probably enjoy it.

[[WMG: The Final Boss is a [[VideoGame/ChronoTrigger Lavos Spawn]]]]
It shares many similarities to Lavos: buried in the center of the planet, it waking up will destroy the planet, had some involvement in humanities' evolution, possibly came from outer space, grants power/insanity to those who worship it, and it big enough that the final battle is inside
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* But even aside from that, women quite simply comprise 50% of their potential customers.
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One of the more popular WMGs is that the Ancestor is not what he seems [[spoiler: in that he's actually [[BigBad Heart of ]][[EldritchAbomination Darkness]]]]. If so, that would explain his tone towards when speaking of the Farmstead, which he refers to with uncharacteristic malice. Should the above spoiler be true, then the malicious tone of the narrator towards the Farmstead could very well be characteristic of that theory; [[spoiler: that the narrator is the Heart of Darkness, and his malice towards the Farmstead is directed to the Comet, which it recognizes as a potential threat.]]

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One of the more popular WMGs [=WMGs=] is that the Ancestor is not what he seems [[spoiler: in that he's actually [[BigBad Heart of ]][[EldritchAbomination Darkness]]]]. If so, that would explain his tone towards when speaking of the Farmstead, which he refers to with uncharacteristic malice. Should the above spoiler be true, then the malicious tone of the narrator towards the Farmstead could very well be characteristic of that theory; [[spoiler: that the narrator is the Heart of Darkness, and his malice towards the Farmstead is directed to the Comet, which it recognizes as a potential threat.]]
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It would also explain why the Highwayman and the Crusader start together. The Highwayman knows whose family he killed so he's seeking redemption by putting himself at the mercy of the man he wronged, and the Crusader can't bring himself to be angry at the Highwayman because he believes, with his borderline-fanatical devotion, that their deaths were the Light's punishment for his moment of weakness at wanting to return home by making sure he no longer has a reason to.

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It would also explain why the Highwayman and the Crusader start together. The Highwayman knows whose family he killed so he's seeking redemption by putting himself at the mercy of the man he wronged, and the Crusader can't bring himself to be angry at the Highwayman because he believes, with his borderline-fanatical devotion, that their deaths were the Light's punishment for his moment of weakness at wanting to return home by making sure he no longer has a reason to.
to. It would also explain how the Shameful Locket still turns up - The Crusader tasked himself with forgetting his family, according to his own Crimson Court set, so he gives his last keepsake from them, the locket, to the Highwayman to serve as a reminder of his promise to be a better man.
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* Alot of the aspects of the Crimson Curse are very similar to the Vilebloods from bloodborne, Especially the Bloodlicker enemy, who, like those afflicted with the Curse, has a massive distended belly full of blood and are more insectile than batlike, The Countess was one who was too much even for the inhabitants of Cainhurst and sought to create her own little queendom in the Estate, Hell, the entire game could exist in the Bloodborne universe, and [[spoiler: The Heart]] is a more antagonistic GreatOne [[spoiler: Like the Moon Presence.]]

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* Alot of the aspects of the Crimson Curse are very similar to the Vilebloods from bloodborne, Especially the Bloodlicker enemy, who, like those afflicted with the Curse, has a massive distended belly full of blood and are more insectile than batlike, The Countess was one who was too much even for the inhabitants of Cainhurst and sought to create her own little queendom in the Estate, Hell, the entire game could exist in the Bloodborne universe, and [[spoiler: The Heart]] is a more antagonistic GreatOne [[spoiler: Like the Moon Presence.]]]]

[[WMG: The woman and child the Highwayman accidentally killed were the Crusader's wife and son.]]
Not only is it the sort of dark thing the game would pull, but it makes sense within the story too. The Crusader is no doubt extremely famous now, given the size of the army he's leading, so his family would know he's still alive. And with the war over, even if he didn't want to visit them, it wouldn't be too hard to find where he is. So they paid to go visit him instead, perhaps to persuade him to return home, but they never arrived because the Highwayman robbed that particular carriage. Also note how similar the woman and child in the Crusader's comic looks to the woman and child in the Highwayman's comic...

It would also explain why the Highwayman and the Crusader start together. The Highwayman knows whose family he killed so he's seeking redemption by putting himself at the mercy of the man he wronged, and the Crusader can't bring himself to be angry at the Highwayman because he believes, with his borderline-fanatical devotion, that their deaths were the Light's punishment for his moment of weakness at wanting to return home by making sure he no longer has a reason to.

[[WMG: The Bounty Hunter was hired by the Houndmaster to kill his corrupt boss.]]
Another one based on similar appearances. The corrupt officer in the Houndmaster's comic looks a lot like the crime lord the Bounty Hunter kills, and the crime lord's mooks look to be wearing uniforms. Who would post a bounty on a chief of police, though? Someone who knows what they've actually done. The Houndmaster has no shortage of evidence, as shown by his Crimson Court trinket, so the morally-gray anti-hero Bounty Hunter would still take the job and probably enjoy it.
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* Somewhat confirmed, the teaser for the sequel, shows some of the Party in front of a snowy mountain that seems to be ''made of eldritch horrors.''
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The fight would be much tougher if the heads would always heal and guard the Collector instead of each other. However, they're presumably enslaved by the Collector and acting under duress, so they're intentionally using less than optimal tactics to help you defeat him.

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The fight would be much tougher if the heads would always heal and guard the Collector instead of each other. However, they're presumably enslaved by the Collector and acting under duress, so they're intentionally using less than optimal tactics to help you defeat him.him.

[[WMG: The Countess is a Cainhurst Vilebood]]
* Alot of the aspects of the Crimson Curse are very similar to the Vilebloods from bloodborne, Especially the Bloodlicker enemy, who, like those afflicted with the Curse, has a massive distended belly full of blood and are more insectile than batlike, The Countess was one who was too much even for the inhabitants of Cainhurst and sought to create her own little queendom in the Estate, Hell, the entire game could exist in the Bloodborne universe, and [[spoiler: The Heart]] is a more antagonistic GreatOne [[spoiler: Like the Moon Presence.]]
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And it will feature a ShoutOut to the [[Literature/TheWhispererInDarkness Mi-Go]] as a possible enemy faction in the mountains, among other things.

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And it will feature a ShoutOut to the [[Literature/TheWhispererInDarkness Mi-Go]] as a possible enemy faction in the mountains, among other things.things.

[[WMG: The poor tactics of the Collector's minions are intentional]]

The fight would be much tougher if the heads would always heal and guard the Collector instead of each other. However, they're presumably enslaved by the Collector and acting under duress, so they're intentionally using less than optimal tactics to help you defeat him.
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* Since the Fanatic is hunting anyone afflicted by the Crimson Curse anywhere ''but'' the Crimson Court, this is pretty much confirmed.
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And it will feature a {{ShoutOut}} to the [[Literature/TheWhispererInDarkness Mi-Go]] as a possible enemy faction in the mountains, among other things.

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And it will feature a {{ShoutOut}} ShoutOut to the [[Literature/TheWhispererInDarkness Mi-Go]] as a possible enemy faction in the mountains, among other things.
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Wayne June will be an artifact because there's no way Red Hook will want to get rid of him.

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Wayne June will be an artifact because there's no way Red Hook will want to get rid of him.him.

[[WMG: The sequel will take its main inspiration from Literature/AtTheMountainsOfMadness]]

And it will feature a {{ShoutOut}} to the [[Literature/TheWhispererInDarkness Mi-Go]] as a possible enemy faction in the mountains, among other things.
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One of the more popular WMGs is that the Ancestor is not what he seems [[spoiler: in that he's actually [[BigBad Heart of ]][[EldritchAbomination Darkness]]]]. If so, that would explain his tone towards when speaking of the Farmstead, which he refers to with uncharacteristic malice. Should the above spoiler be true, then the malicious tone of the narrator towards the Farmstead could very well be characteristic of that theory; [[spoiler: that the narrator is the Heart of Darkness, and his malice towards the Farmstead is directed to the Comet, which it recognizes as a potential threat.]]

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One of the more popular WMGs is that the Ancestor is not what he seems [[spoiler: in that he's actually [[BigBad Heart of ]][[EldritchAbomination Darkness]]]]. If so, that would explain his tone towards when speaking of the Farmstead, which he refers to with uncharacteristic malice. Should the above spoiler be true, then the malicious tone of the narrator towards the Farmstead could very well be characteristic of that theory; [[spoiler: that the narrator is the Heart of Darkness, and his malice towards the Farmstead is directed to the Comet, which it recognizes as a potential threat.]]]]

[[WMG: The Ancestor and Heir will have no part in the sequel]]
Wayne June will be an artifact because there's no way Red Hook will want to get rid of him.

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[[WMG: The Player is the Light]]
The Heir and the Ancestor are set up to be [[NotSoDifferent Not So Different]], in a sense. Both have thrown away the lives of hundreds to achieve their ends, the Heir is implied in the ending to [[spoiler: off himself]] just like the Ancestor, and both end up neck deep in the affairs of the Occult for one reason for another. However, their reasons for doing so are almost complete opposites. The Ancestor was an incredibly selfish individual who committed many of his crimes simply out of boredom, while the Heir's deaths were all focused towards a noble goal. While the Ancestor was directly responsible for more than a portion of his body count directly, the Heir's guilt is only in murder by inaction, if even that. They cannot, do not draft in unwilling to face the horrors of the dungeon, and when those who have proved themselves need help, the Heir will provide it. Therefore, if the Ancestor [[spoiler: was a puppet to the Heart of Darkness, who is to say there is not someone guiding the Heir? someone opposite the Heart of Darkness. A so called creator who views his creations as nothing at best, who desires to destroy what he has made... what could be a foil to such a monstrosity? One who neglects to even account for their existence in this world, who has no deep ties to the peoples of this world, no debts to pay or collect, yet follows the Heir through Hell and back? ...You]]
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Other than the sci-fi setting the games have a similar theme and artstyle, and considering it takes place in a DerelictGraveyard in space it could be that the humans fled earth before The Heart could take it over.

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Other than the sci-fi setting the games have a similar theme and artstyle, and considering it takes place in a DerelictGraveyard in space it could be that the humans fled earth before The Heart could take it over.over.

[[WMG: If the narrator is who many think it is, then that explains his tone when referring to the Farmstead.]]
One of the more popular WMGs is that the Ancestor is not what he seems [[spoiler: in that he's actually [[BigBad Heart of ]][[EldritchAbomination Darkness]]]]. If so, that would explain his tone towards when speaking of the Farmstead, which he refers to with uncharacteristic malice. Should the above spoiler be true, then the malicious tone of the narrator towards the Farmstead could very well be characteristic of that theory; [[spoiler: that the narrator is the Heart of Darkness, and his malice towards the Farmstead is directed to the Comet, which it recognizes as a potential threat.]]
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* [[WordOfGod A Tweet from one of the game's developers]] states that The Light is [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve "Humanity's faith in delusions of their own making."]]

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There's been some discussion on the Light and its followers, and what that means in a [[CosmicHorrorStory Lovecraftian universe]]. More specifically, [[spoiler: the Heart of Darkness claims to be the creator and destroyer of humanity. If true, then does that mean the Heart is the Light under a different name?]] The most obvious solution is that there are multiple great powers within the Universe, some of which have an interest in cultivating followers. One of Lovecraft's inspirations, [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/WilliamHopeHodgson William Hope Hodgson,]] used benevolent-yet-mysterious powers who opposed the more sinister EldritchAbominations, and appeared in the form of light.
* Alternatively, it's an EvilVsEvil situation, and we are nothing but The Light's pieces on the game board.

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There's been some discussion on the Light and its followers, and what that means in a [[CosmicHorrorStory Lovecraftian universe]]. More specifically, [[spoiler: the Heart of Darkness claims to be the creator and destroyer of humanity. If true, then does that mean the Heart is the Light under a different name?]] The most obvious solution is that there are multiple great powers within the Universe, some of which have an interest in cultivating followers. One of Lovecraft's inspirations, [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/WilliamHopeHodgson William Hope Hodgson,]] used benevolent-yet-mysterious powers who opposed the more sinister EldritchAbominations, [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]], and appeared in the form of light.
* Alternatively, it's an EvilVsEvil situation, and we are nothing but The Light's pieces on the game board.board.
* With the Color of Madness DLC out its possible that The Light has ties to The Thing From the Stars.

[[WMG: Darkest Dungeon takes place in the same universe as Deep Sky Derelicts.]]
Other than the sci-fi setting the games have a similar theme and artstyle, and considering it takes place in a DerelictGraveyard in space it could be that the humans fled earth before The Heart could take it over.
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It would explain their involvement with the fight on the Old Road (they need to be escorted to safety from the wreck of the carriage, after all), and why they're [[spoiler:the one who makes the SadisticChoice during the fight with the [[BigBad Heart of Darkness]]. They become a ShellShockedVeteran, GoMadFromTheRevelation and [[DrivenToSuicide shoot themself]] because of the horrors they've witnessed firsthand.]]

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It would explain their involvement with the fight on the Old Road (they need to be escorted to safety from the wreck of the carriage, after all), it explains who afflicted heroes might address when they pass turns or perform random actions (as the player and thus possibly the heir does give the heroes orders), and why they're [[spoiler:the one who makes the SadisticChoice during the fight with the [[BigBad Heart of Darkness]]. They become a ShellShockedVeteran, GoMadFromTheRevelation and [[DrivenToSuicide shoot themself]] because of the horrors they've witnessed firsthand.]]
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** Through a psychosomatic/nocebo effect.
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[[WMG: The Final Boss is actually the [[Franchise/DarkSouls Scholar of the First Sin]]]]

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[[WMG: The Final Boss is actually the [[Franchise/DarkSouls [[VideoGame/DarkSouls Scholar of the First Sin]]]]
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*** An extrapolation on the theory: you get an item from killing their final form. Necro's collar, Prophet's eyes, Siren's conch, etc. what do you get for killing the king? WILBUR'S flags. It's kinda dumb, considering you also get the matchman's torch for destroying the cannon, but this is WMG so who gives a caboodle.
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* Maybe Wilbur isn't the strongest, ''but the smartest.'' He must clearly have at least a half-decent head on his shoulders to be able to control the Swine King. All the other swine seem pretty stupid in comparison, and they need a smart leader to run a civilization.
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[[WMG: The ending [[spoiler: Might not have been a time loop restarting, but the Ancestor's last memories before death]]]]
In a last ditch effort to stab at thee from beyond either the abyss or the grave [[spoiler:The Heart of Darkness tries to do away with the Heir/your will to live by making things seem pointless.]] But there are a few clues that point in a lighter direction. The exact same narration remaining in the Ancestor's voice, for one. The spirit that warns of timeloops in the NG+? [[spoiler:Looks like the Ancestor, not you, didn't get off scot free for all his crimes.]] ]]
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There's been some discussion on the Light and its followers, and what that means in a [[CosmicHorrorStory Lovecraftian universe]]. More specifically, [[spoiler: the Heart of Darkness claims to be the creator and destroyer of humanity. If true, then does that mean the Heart is the Light under a different name?]] The most obvious solution is that there are multiple great powers within the Universe, some of which have an interest in cultivating followers. One of Lovecraft's inspirations, [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/WilliamHopeHodgson William Hope Hodgson,]] used benevolent-yet-mysterious powers who opposed the more sinister EldritchAbominations, and appeared in the form of light.

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There's been some discussion on the Light and its followers, and what that means in a [[CosmicHorrorStory Lovecraftian universe]]. More specifically, [[spoiler: the Heart of Darkness claims to be the creator and destroyer of humanity. If true, then does that mean the Heart is the Light under a different name?]] The most obvious solution is that there are multiple great powers within the Universe, some of which have an interest in cultivating followers. One of Lovecraft's inspirations, [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/WilliamHopeHodgson William Hope Hodgson,]] used benevolent-yet-mysterious powers who opposed the more sinister EldritchAbominations, and appeared in the form of light.light.
* Alternatively, it's an EvilVsEvil situation, and we are nothing but The Light's pieces on the game board.
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In the Houndmaster's comic, he encounters corrupt lawmen that have killed an innocent women. In the Bounty Hunter's comic, he kills those very same lawmen. It's not a huge stretch for the Houndmaster to have hired a professional to deal with them.

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In the Houndmaster's comic, he encounters corrupt lawmen that have killed an innocent women. In the Bounty Hunter's comic, he kills those very same lawmen. It's not a huge stretch for the Houndmaster to have hired a professional to deal with them.them.

[[WMG: The Light is a separate EldritchAbomination opposing the Thing Which Came From The Portal.]]
There's been some discussion on the Light and its followers, and what that means in a [[CosmicHorrorStory Lovecraftian universe]]. More specifically, [[spoiler: the Heart of Darkness claims to be the creator and destroyer of humanity. If true, then does that mean the Heart is the Light under a different name?]] The most obvious solution is that there are multiple great powers within the Universe, some of which have an interest in cultivating followers. One of Lovecraft's inspirations, [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/WilliamHopeHodgson William Hope Hodgson,]] used benevolent-yet-mysterious powers who opposed the more sinister EldritchAbominations, and appeared in the form of light.
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It would explain their involvement with the fight on the Old Road (they need to be escorted to safety from the wreck of the carriage, after all), and why they're [[spoiler:the one who makes the SadisticChoice during the fight with the [[BigBad Heart of Darkness]]. They become a ShellShockedVeteran, GoMadFromTheRevelation and [[DrivenToSuicide shoot themself]] because of the horrors they've witnessed firsthand.]]

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It would explain their involvement with the fight on the Old Road (they need to be escorted to safety from the wreck of the carriage, after all), and why they're [[spoiler:the one who makes the SadisticChoice during the fight with the [[BigBad Heart of Darkness]]. They become a ShellShockedVeteran, GoMadFromTheRevelation and [[DrivenToSuicide shoot themself]] because of the horrors they've witnessed firsthand.]]]]

[[WMG: The Houndmaster hired the Bounty Hunter]]
In the Houndmaster's comic, he encounters corrupt lawmen that have killed an innocent women. In the Bounty Hunter's comic, he kills those very same lawmen. It's not a huge stretch for the Houndmaster to have hired a professional to deal with them.
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* Well with the release of the Bounty Hunters comic, it's now entirely possible that he was probably the equivalent of ThePunisher before he joined your gang of crooks and exiles at the Hamlet.
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* This ''cannot'' be the case as if the entire thing is a [[spoiler: GroundHogDayLoop]], and the Heir really is [[spoiler: the ancestor]].. then who exactly [[spoiler: Unearthed the portal]]? The Heir does everything in his/her power to [[spoiler: set things right]], and since the Heir is [[spoiler: The ancestor]], that means the ancestor [[spoiler: also did everything to set things right]]. So who exactly [[spoiler: is responsible for the estate to be in such a poor condition?]] The Heir [[spoiler: kills himself]] as soon as he [[spoiler: seals the Heart away]], so he doesn't [[spoiler: go through the same {{Moral Event Horizon}}s that the ancestor did.]] And if the Heir [[spoiler: doesn't]], the Ancestor [[spoiler: didn't either. So.. we run straight into a TemporalParadox object-loop variant.]]

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* Further enforced by his trinket set in the DLC, which states "Even the Chief was in on it."
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Drinking a vampire's blood doesn't seem to be the best way to become one.

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Drinking a vampire's blood doesn't seem to be the best way to become one.one.

[[WMG: The Heir is actually a FrontlineGeneral rather than a NonEntityGeneral...]]
...They're just an ActionSurvivor and or [[NonActionGuy Non-Action Person]], and the Heroes are escorting them through dungeons. Depending on how you play the game, perhaps their role is to issue orders and [[ApocalypticLog take notes]]... Or maybe they're just there to watch the carnage, [[BadBoss regardless of which side it's on]].
It would explain their involvement with the fight on the Old Road (they need to be escorted to safety from the wreck of the carriage, after all), and why they're [[spoiler:the one who makes the SadisticChoice during the fight with the [[BigBad Heart of Darkness]]. They become a ShellShockedVeteran, GoMadFromTheRevelation and [[DrivenToSuicide shoot themself]] because of the horrors they've witnessed firsthand.]]

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