History WMG / DMCDevilMayCry

4th Jun '15 10:02:35 PM troperHearts
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[[WMG: The moment Dante landed the killing blow on Mundus, he transferred his essence unto Vergil, resulting in the latter's attitude towards the end.]]
In addition, Hollow Vergil is Mundus' essence taking the form of Vergil in order to possess him.

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[[WMG: The moment Dante landed During the killing blow on fight with Mundus, he transferred his essence unto Vergil, resulting in the latter's attitude towards the end.]]
In Vergil gets sucked in specifically to possess him (possessing Dante would be too much of a hassle, since he can fight back). The physical body of Mundus wrestles with Vergil to transfer his essence unto him. The transfer was completed just before Dante landed the killing blow. With the Hell Gate shut down, the only thing Mundus could do in Vergil's body was announce his intentions to rule. When Dante won, Mundus keeps his pretense of being Vergil until the latter regained his conciousness just before Vergil's Downfall began, thus his perceiving that Dante betrayed him.
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addition, Hollow Vergil Vergil, along with Hollow Kat and Dante, is Mundus' essence taking the form of Vergil in order to possess him.
him, essentially the whole of Vergil's Downfall is Mundus shaping Vergil into a proper vessel.
27th May '15 6:38:57 AM troperHearts
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[[WMG: When Vergil closed the Hell Gate, Mundus transferred his essence unto him, resulting in his attitude towards the end.]]

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[[WMG: When Vergil closed The moment Dante landed the Hell Gate, Mundus killing blow on Mundus, he transferred his essence unto him, Vergil, resulting in his the latter's attitude towards the end.]]
24th May '15 9:00:10 PM troperHearts
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[[WMG: When Vergil closed the Hell Gate, Mundus transferred his essence unto him, resulting in his attitude towards the end.]]
In addition, Hollow Vergil is Mundus' essence taking the form of Vergil in order to possess him.
11th Apr '15 6:12:45 PM nombretomado
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If you listen closely to the beginning of the mission of [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeg_Xp1wGM0&feature=related the E3 gameplay footage]], there is a man speaking to Dante (who may be the leader of [[LaResistance the order]], [[spoiler:[[EvilTwin Ver]][[RebelLeader gil]]]]) and mentions the name Mundus, who, for those that don't know, was the main villain of the original [[DevilMayCry Devil May Cry]]. There is other evidence to suggest this, as the bald guy clearly hates [[DisappearedDad Sparda]] and [[AGodAmI refers to himself as a god]].

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If you listen closely to the beginning of the mission of [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeg_Xp1wGM0&feature=related the E3 gameplay footage]], there is a man speaking to Dante (who may be the leader of [[LaResistance the order]], [[spoiler:[[EvilTwin Ver]][[RebelLeader gil]]]]) and mentions the name Mundus, who, for those that don't know, was the main villain of the original [[DevilMayCry Devil May Cry]].''Franchise/DevilMayCry''. There is other evidence to suggest this, as the bald guy clearly hates [[DisappearedDad Sparda]] and [[AGodAmI refers to himself as a god]].



[[WMG:Kat is the [[DevilMayCry Lady]] of DmC.]]

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[[WMG:Kat is the [[DevilMayCry [[Franchise/DevilMayCry Lady]] of DmC.]]



* That would be dumb of them to do because there's still fans willing to buy more DevilMayCry games.

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* That would be dumb of them to do because there's still fans willing to buy more DevilMayCry ''Franchise/DevilMayCry'' games.
6th Sep '14 3:00:45 AM Hammershark
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** But with the rising cost of development it may not be enough, you got to remember not everyone who bought DMC4 was a devil may cry fan, some might have been turned off to the series. But there is [[http://www.junkiemonkeys.com/devil-may-cry-trademark-pops-up-sequel-announcement-for-ps4-xbox-one-and-pc-imminent/ hope]]

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** But with the rising cost of development it may not be enough, you got to remember not everyone who bought DMC4 was a devil may cry fan, some might have been turned off to the series. But there is [[http://www.junkiemonkeys.com/devil-may-cry-trademark-pops-up-sequel-announcement-for-ps4-xbox-one-and-pc-imminent/ hope]]hope]]

[[WMG: Ebony & Ivory's redesign are due to Limbo]]
IRL/Normally, they look like the original.
28th Jul '14 12:40:24 AM Luigifan
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In the beginning, Vergil notes that Mundus uses the humans as a factory farm for human souls and monitors them like pets. More or less, he claims that Mundus enslaved the humans to farm them for souls. Yet, throughout the entire game, when have we ever seen Mundus actually use or devour souls? Mundus has the ability to level a section of the city with his mind. If he really wanted to, he could have blown up the entire block containing the order but he doesn't. He doesn't because he wants to protect the humans. All those claims about humans being a factory farm were lies generated by Vergil to coerce Dante to join him. Mundus has all the power he needs from the hell gate, enslaving the humans does not benefit him at all. He keeps the president in check, should the president be corrupted. He ends conflict by keeping people happy with Virility. Most importantly, he installs those cameras to keep an eye out for criminals and terrorists, specifically Dante. Mundus himself confirms this at the end. His dialogue isn't about how Dante's ruined his factory of human souls. Mundus honestly thought he was helping humans because humans are naturally chaotic and his rage at Dante isn't about how Dante's ruining his business, its about Dante killing his son.

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In the beginning, Vergil notes that Mundus uses the humans as a factory farm for human souls and monitors them like pets. More or less, he claims that Mundus enslaved the humans to farm them for souls. Yet, throughout the entire game, when have we ever seen Mundus actually use or devour souls? Mundus has the ability to level a section of the city with his mind. If he really wanted to, he could have blown up the entire block containing the order but he doesn't. He doesn't because he wants to protect the humans. All those claims about humans being a factory farm were lies generated by Vergil to coerce Dante to join him. Mundus has all the power he needs from the hell gate, enslaving the humans does not benefit him at all. He keeps the president in check, should the president be corrupted. He ends conflict by keeping people happy with Virility. Most importantly, he installs those cameras to keep an eye out for criminals and terrorists, specifically Dante. Mundus himself confirms this at the end. His dialogue isn't about how Dante's ruined his factory of human souls. Mundus honestly thought he was helping humans because humans are naturally chaotic chaotic, and his rage at Dante isn't about how Dante's ruining his business, its it's about Dante killing his son.



** Given Mundus's pride, even if he was doing good for the humans, he still views them as inferior to him [[spoiler: (just as Vergil did)]] so that bitch comment would still be in context. Mundus is never seen reveling in the fact that he's torturing human souls. He's never even seen interacting with souls at all. Though this part is extreme wild mass guessing, but I think the souls being driven mad in his tower is a necessity for Mundus, not a luxury. He needs the humans in his tower, he needs them to conform, or else he risks losing control. Sacrifice the souls of the few to save/control the masses. Got nothing for the furnace though.
* Mundus does gain from conquering mankind, it servers to feed his massive ego and god complex. He makes the big speech about how hes just helping mankind yet that doesn't mean he believes it it just something he can say to make himself look better. Its easy to say the humans are constantly at war and that that is awful but look at the demons, war is part of their being. They came into existence at war with the angels for no given reason other then the fact that they weren't demons. Their bodies are designed for violence with weapons built into them, they delight in violence torturing other demons like phineas. Mundus kills Eva and sentences his brother to eternal torture just because he fell in love with an angel. Why doesn't he just blow up the order, because he doesn't care and thinks hes a god; instead he just lets them slaughter wave after wave of minion demons because he doesn't think it actually threatens him.

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** Given Mundus's pride, even if he was doing good for the humans, he still views them as inferior to him [[spoiler: (just [[spoiler:(just as Vergil did)]] did)]], so that bitch comment would still be in context. Mundus is never seen reveling in the fact that he's torturing human souls. He's never even seen interacting with souls at all. Though this part is extreme wild mass guessing, but I think the souls being driven mad in his tower is a necessity for Mundus, not a luxury. He needs the humans in his tower, he needs them to conform, or else he risks losing control. Sacrifice the souls of the few to save/control the masses. Got nothing for the furnace though.
* Mundus does gain from conquering mankind, it servers serves to feed his massive ego and god complex. He makes the big speech about how hes he's just helping mankind mankind, yet that doesn't mean he believes it it it; it's just something he can say to make himself look better. Its It's easy to say the humans are constantly at war and that that is awful awful, but look at the demons, demons; war is part of their being. They came into existence at war with the angels for no given reason other then the fact that they weren't demons. Their bodies are designed for violence with weapons built into them, they delight in violence violence, up to torturing other demons like phineas.Phineas. Mundus kills Eva and sentences his brother to eternal torture just because he fell in love with an angel. Why doesn't he just blow up the order, Order? It's because he doesn't care and thinks hes he's a god; instead instead' he just lets them slaughter wave after wave of minion demons because he doesn't think it actually threatens him.



Modeus was scrawnier looking than Dante and wore black. Modeus somehow became aware of Dante, who is in hiding and calling himself Tony Redgrave. Out of loyalty to Sparda, Modeus decided to help divert attention from the real Dante by fighting large numbers of demons while claiming to be Dante himself.

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Modeus was scrawnier looking scrawnier-looking than Dante and wore black. Modeus somehow became aware of Dante, who is in hiding and calling himself Tony Redgrave. Out of loyalty to Sparda, Modeus decided to help divert attention from the real Dante by fighting large numbers of demons while claiming to be Dante himself.



* Confirmed not to be the case several time over.

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* Confirmed not to be the case several time over.times over.



Given the [[BrokenBase rep]] the game recives even before release, there may be an Achivement that (as a joke or easter egg) mocks the fans who complained. Maybe by having Dante seen in his classic form after a certain number of times.

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Given the [[BrokenBase rep]] the game recives received even before release, there may be an Achivement that (as a joke or easter egg) mocks the fans who complained. Maybe by having Dante seen in his classic form after a certain number of times.



* You were half right, each trophy/achievement is a call back to old DMC "Flock off, Featherface" and there was a white wig in the style of old Dante's hair in the game for a gag.

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* You were half right, each trophy/achievement is a call back to old DMC "Flock ("Flock off, Featherface" Featherface", for instance), and there was a white wig in the style of old Dante's hair in the game for a gag.gag.



[[WMG:Limbo is the boundary between Earth, Heaven and Hell]]
And by the time the game ends Limbo will be destroyed allowing demons to enter the Human World relatively freely and thus letting humans see them. A possible side effect of this is that Dante will be mode locked into this game's version of his devil trigger. Come on, admit it. That would satisfy those that are still neigh sayers.
* Some what right and some what wrong: [[spoiler:Limbo was hidden by Mundus' power and at the end demons fill the streets. Dante doesn't become mode locked but through out the game in the story use of devil trigger cause his hair to grey than white out, by the end it's mostly white with flakes of grey and black.]] What you were wrong on was heaven's involvement, which besides a few Angels and mention of The battle for earth no mention of Heaven is made.

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[[WMG:Limbo is the boundary between Earth, Heaven Heaven, and Hell]]
And by the time the game ends ends, Limbo will be destroyed allowing demons to enter the Human World relatively freely and thus letting humans see them. A possible side effect of this is that Dante will be mode locked into this game's version of his devil trigger. Come on, admit it. That would satisfy those that are still neigh sayers.
* Some what Somewhat right and some what somewhat wrong: [[spoiler:Limbo was hidden by Mundus' power power, and at the end end, demons fill the streets. Dante doesn't become mode locked mode-locked but through out throughout the game in the story game, use of devil trigger cause causes his hair to grey than then white out, out; by the end end, it's mostly white with flakes of grey and black.]] What you were wrong on was heaven's involvement, which besides a few Angels and mention of The the battle for earth Earth, no mention of Heaven is made.made.



With all the heat they're getting for it it seems possible. Their end goal could be an attempt to receive approval from those that bash them, which will be the ultimate F-U to those people as well.

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With all the heat they're getting for it it, it seems possible. Their end goal could be an attempt to receive approval from those that bash them, which will be the ultimate F-U to those people as well.






[[WMG:[=DmC=] is actually a alternate universe created when the original Dante enter the [[VideoGame/MarvelvsCapcom3 Marvel Universe]].]]
* So it's Ultimate to Classic's 616? That explains why Mundus looks like the Kingpin. Dante goes up in the YouFightLikeACow and Bob Barbas is clearly an expy of J.Jonah Jameson.

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[[WMG:[=DmC=] is actually a alternate universe created when the original Dante enter entered the [[VideoGame/MarvelvsCapcom3 Marvel Universe]].]]
* So it's Ultimate to Classic's 616? That explains why Mundus looks like the Kingpin. Dante goes up in the YouFightLikeACow and Bob Barbas is clearly an expy of J. Jonah Jameson.



[[WMG:The [[BaldofEvil bald man]] at the end of [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHdk36PNuVw&feature=relmfu this trailer]] is [[BigBad Mundus]] ]]
If you listen closely to the beginning of the mission of [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeg_Xp1wGM0&feature=related the E3 gameplay footage]] there is a man speaking to Dante (who may be the leader of [[LaResistance the order]], [[spoiler:[[EvilTwin Ver]][[RebelLeader gil]] ]] ) and mentions the name Mundus, who, for those that don't know, was the main villain of the original [[DevilMayCry Devil May Cry]]. There is other evidence to suggest this as the bald guy clearly hates [[DisappearedDad Sparda]] and [[AGodamI refers to himself as a god]].

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[[WMG:The [[BaldofEvil [[BaldOfEvil bald man]] at the end of [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHdk36PNuVw&feature=relmfu this trailer]] is [[BigBad Mundus]] ]]
If you listen closely to the beginning of the mission of [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeg_Xp1wGM0&feature=related the E3 gameplay footage]] footage]], there is a man speaking to Dante (who may be the leader of [[LaResistance the order]], [[spoiler:[[EvilTwin Ver]][[RebelLeader gil]] ]] ) gil]]]]) and mentions the name Mundus, who, for those that don't know, was the main villain of the original [[DevilMayCry Devil May Cry]]. There is other evidence to suggest this this, as the bald guy clearly hates [[DisappearedDad Sparda]] and [[AGodamI [[AGodAmI refers to himself as a god]].



* Proven false but good guess.

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* Proven false false, but good guess.guess.



* Proven false [[spoiler: but Vergil did set up Dante a little, however loves him and wishes to rule as brothers over humans]]

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* Proven false [[spoiler: but false, [[spoiler:but Vergil did set up Dante a little, however little; however, he loves him and wishes to rule as brothers over humans]]
humans.]]



* It's not clearly said but it might be the case [[spoiler: especially as he was able to use abilities on the level of old Vergil and stand up to Dante, who has been fighting his whole life]].

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* It's not clearly said but it might be the case [[spoiler: especially [[spoiler:especially as he was able to use abilities on the level of old Vergil and stand up to Dante, who has been fighting his whole life]].life]].



The bio for Vergil says his father had been enslaved this seems likely. If so his death will break the boundary between Earth and Hell.
* No, it was revealed to be [[spoiler: Mundus who upheld the line between.]]

[[WMG:VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom is to blame for the conception of this game but not it's success or failure]]

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The bio for Vergil says his father had been enslaved enslaved, so this seems likely. If so so, his death will break the boundary between Earth and Hell.
* No, it was revealed to be [[spoiler: Mundus [[spoiler:Mundus who upheld the line between.]]

[[WMG:VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom is to blame for the conception of this game but not it's its success or failure]]



* No, that's impossible as 616 peter parker was the only want to make the deal, it would have effected Ultimate peter parker[[spoiler: who died after making up with MJ]].

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* No, that's impossible as 616 peter parker Peter Parker was the only want one to make the deal, it would have effected affected Ultimate peter parker[[spoiler: who Peter Parker [[spoiler:who died after making up with MJ]].



[[WMG:The game will have multiple endings]]

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[[WMG:The game will have multiple endings]]MultipleEndings]]



[[WMG:The Tyrant, the Dreamrunner, the Witch or the Butcher will a DegradedBoss]]
Like hell vanguard, some of they appear at first as a boss.

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[[WMG:The Tyrant, the Dreamrunner, the Witch Witch, or the Butcher will be a DegradedBoss]]
Like hell vanguard, some of they them appear at first as a boss.



* Tyrant will a FakeUltimateMook: Although the appearance of the tanks is great and awesome, really are weaker than a Hell vanguard or an Alto angelo.
* Tyrant will a MiniBoss/ BossInMookClothing: A Tyrant will equal or even stronger than a Hell vanguard or a Blitz

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* Tyrant will be a FakeUltimateMook: Although the appearance of the tanks is great and awesome, they really are weaker than a Hell vanguard or an Alto angelo.
* Tyrant will be a MiniBoss/ BossInMookClothing: A Tyrant will equal or be even stronger than a Hell vanguard or a Blitz Blitz.



The third and fourth games had them, I do not see because this will be an exception.

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The third and fourth games had them, I do not see because this will be an exception.



[[WMG:If there is a sequel, Angels are going to be the new enemy, mostly fallen/renegades, who want Dante destroy because of his "impurity"]]
* Because it be a miss opportunity for having Dante part angel and not feature at-least some.

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[[WMG:If there is a sequel, Angels are going to be the new enemy, mostly fallen/renegades, who want Dante destroy destroyed because of his "impurity"]]
* Because it would be a miss missed opportunity for having Dante part angel and not feature at-least some.






While he and Dante disagreed on the method, both of them wanted to protect humanity. Vergil will aid Dante in defending humans from other threats, after which he will do want is necessary to protect humanity from itself.
* {{Jossed}}. [[spoiler: Vergil is now the demon king.]]
[[WMG: Dante and Kat will be in an out and out relationship at the start of two.]]
If this means a 1/4 demon, 1/4 angel and half human hybrid IDK but it would be better than previous games where Dante's too cool to fall in love

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While he and Dante disagreed on the method, both of them wanted to protect humanity. Vergil will aid Dante in defending humans from other threats, after which he will try to do want what he thinks is necessary to protect humanity from itself.
* {{Jossed}}. [[spoiler: Vergil [[spoiler:Vergil is now the demon king.]]

[[WMG: Dante and Kat will be in an out and out relationship at the start of the next game.
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[[WMG: Dante and Kat will be in an out and out relationship at the start of two.]]
If this means a 1/4 demon, 1/4 angel and half human hybrid IDK hybrid, IDK, but it would be better than previous games where Dante's too cool to fall in love



* More or less right, Vergil does not regain health when is in DT and is harder to get a SSS.

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* More or less right, Vergil does not regain health when he is in DT and it is harder to get a SSS.



This time he's a demon king similar to Mundus only coming from a different part of the world, and he and his servants will try to take over the now demon king-less Limbo City, forcing Dante to protect it from the invading demons.

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This time he's a demon king similar to Mundus Mundus, only coming from a different part of the world, and he and his servants will try to take over the now demon king-less Limbo City, forcing Dante to protect it from the invading demons.



It was announced that in the Vergil's downfall there will two new enemies, Wisp and the Improsoner.

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It was announced that in the Vergil's downfall Downfall DLC, there will be two new enemies, Wisp and the Improsoner.



** The Wisp are regular enemies, while the Imprisoner is a degraded boss.

[[WMG:A Hunter will appear in the Vergil's downfall.]]
Is mentioned by Mundus that there are more than one Hunter. So it's possible that Vergil fight against a hunter or even [[DegradedBoss against several hunters.]]

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** The Wisp Wisps are regular enemies, while the Imprisoner is a degraded boss.

[[WMG:A Hunter will appear in the Vergil's downfall.Downfall.]]
Is mentioned by Mundus that there are is more than one Hunter. So it's possible that Vergil will fight against a hunter or even [[DegradedBoss against several hunters.]]



[[WMG:The Drekavac was a NobleTopEnforcer/ AntiVillain.]]

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[[WMG:The Drekavac was a NobleTopEnforcer/ AntiVillain.NobleTopEnforcer[=/=]AntiVillain.]]



[[WMG:Classic Dante from the original continuity (DMC2 version specifically) will one day crossover with the DmC continuity]]
[=DmC=]: Devil May Cry was confirmed to take place in an alternate universe (eventually) from that of the games in the original continuity. Interestingly enough, in Devil May Cry Volume 2 (which takes place prior to the events of Devil May Cry 2 in the original continuity), features interdimensional travel between parallel universes as an important Plot Device. [[note]]Bonus Points for the fact that the primary alternate universe that Dante is in for most of the Novel is one where Mundus DOES rule the human world.[[/note]]

Therefore Classic Dante might appear [[spoiler: by escaping from being trapped in the Demon World at the conclusion of DMC2]] by finding a portal to the DmC universe. He might be [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne tricked into working for]] the BigBad of the game and would also set a contrast between [[RedOniBlueOni reDante's hotblooded brashness and idealism and Dante's cool, cynicism and professionalism]].

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[[WMG:Classic Dante from the original continuity (DMC2 version specifically) will one day crossover with the DmC [=DmC=] continuity]]
[=DmC=]: Devil May Cry was confirmed to take place in an alternate universe (eventually) from that of the games in the original continuity. Interestingly enough, in Devil May Cry Volume 2 (which takes place prior to the events of Devil May Cry 2 in the original continuity), continuity) features interdimensional travel between parallel universes as an important Plot Device. [[note]]Bonus Points for the fact that the primary alternate universe that Dante is in for most of the Novel is one where Mundus DOES rule the human world.[[/note]]

Therefore Classic Dante might appear [[spoiler: by escaping from being trapped in the Demon World at the conclusion of DMC2]] by finding a portal to the DmC universe. He might be [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne tricked into working for]] the BigBad of the game and would also set a contrast between [[RedOniBlueOni reDante's hotblooded brashness and idealism and Dante's cool, cynicism cynical, and professionalism]].
professional demeanor]].



An in a fit of irony he's going to start out as a TotallyRadical skater punk.

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An And in a fit of irony irony, he's going to start out as a TotallyRadical skater punk.






** But with the rising cost of development it may not be enough, you got to remember not everyone who bought DMC4 was a devil may cry fan, some might have been turned off to series. But there is [[http://www.junkiemonkeys.com/devil-may-cry-trademark-pops-up-sequel-announcement-for-ps4-xbox-one-and-pc-imminent/ hope]]

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** But with the rising cost of development it may not be enough, you got to remember not everyone who bought DMC4 was a devil may cry fan, some might have been turned off to the series. But there is [[http://www.junkiemonkeys.com/devil-may-cry-trademark-pops-up-sequel-announcement-for-ps4-xbox-one-and-pc-imminent/ hope]]
4th Mar '14 9:04:29 AM DaNastyMan
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* I want him to be a black man, no seriously.



** But with the rising cost of development it may not be enough, you got to remember not everyone who bought DMC4 was a devil may cry fan, some might have been turned off to series. But there is [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D8pbxTrR_M hope]]

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** But with the rising cost of development it may not be enough, you got to remember not everyone who bought DMC4 was a devil may cry fan, some might have been turned off to series. But there is [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D8pbxTrR_M junkiemonkeys.com/devil-may-cry-trademark-pops-up-sequel-announcement-for-ps4-xbox-one-and-pc-imminent/ hope]]
4th Mar '14 8:58:30 AM DaNastyMan
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* That would be dumb of them to do because there's still fans willing to buy more DevilMayCry games.

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* That would be dumb of them to do because there's still fans willing to buy more DevilMayCry games.games.
** But with the rising cost of development it may not be enough, you got to remember not everyone who bought DMC4 was a devil may cry fan, some might have been turned off to series. But there is [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D8pbxTrR_M hope]]
14th Feb '14 2:12:08 AM MaharielCouslandBrosca
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The past series was too messed up, and the reboot didn't work out so Capcom is gonna shelf the series for a long time (maybe forever)

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The past series was too messed up, and the reboot didn't work out so Capcom is gonna shelf the series for a long time (maybe forever)forever)
* That would be dumb of them to do because there's still fans willing to buy more DevilMayCry games.
6th Dec '13 3:33:15 AM EarlOfSandvich
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[[WMG:MarvelVsCapcom is to blame for the conception of this game but not it's success or failure]]

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[[WMG:MarvelVsCapcom [[WMG:VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom is to blame for the conception of this game but not it's success or failure]]
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