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Note he never commits any act of violence in the final episode? If it is the real Blake then the resistance can use the clone as a figurehead against the Federation.

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Note he never commits any act of violence in the final episode? If it is the real Blake who died then the resistance can use the clone as a figurehead against the Federation.
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[[The Blake killed in the final episode is actually his pacifist clone from the episode 'Weapon' and not the real Blake]]

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The time period is also different. ''Blake's 7'', though not given an exact date, is generally accepted as being 27th century at earliest. However, given the tendency for the Terran Federation to rewrite history (such as pretending Servalan was never president), it's possible they chose to create a new calendar and then began suppressing knowledge of certain time periods to the point where a few centuries went missing.

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The time period is also different. ''Blake's 7'', though not given an exact date, is generally accepted as being 27th century at earliest. However, given the tendency for the Terran Federation to rewrite history (such as pretending Servalan was never president), it's possible they chose to create a new calendar and then began suppressing knowledge of certain time periods to the point where a few centuries went missing.missing.

[[One way or another the Federation is doomed]]
* After the intergalactic war the Federation was on the verge of collapse and only regained its' territory again through the use of mind control drugs to suppress their populations. However Avon and co have now distributed the inoculation to their drugs to their enemies so there is no way they can maintain their grip on power.

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** Gareth Thomas has confirmed on numerous occasions that his primary stipulation for playing Blake one last time was that the character be seen to die, with absolutely no ambiguity over his fate. That's why blood squibs were used, to underline that Avon's weapon wasn't set to stun. Creator/ChrisBoucher, the writer of the episode, and Creator/PaulDarrow (Avon), have further confirmed that the fates of the other characters were kept deliberately ambiguous to provide flexibility had a fifth series gone into production, which at that time was still a faint possibility. The actors who wanted to come back would have been stunned, the actors who didn't would have been killed. Well, not the actual actors, but their characters. YKWIM.

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** Gareth Thomas Creator/GarethThomas has confirmed on numerous occasions that his primary stipulation for playing Blake one last time was that the character be seen to die, with absolutely no ambiguity over his fate. That's why blood squibs were used, to underline that Avon's weapon wasn't set to stun. Creator/ChrisBoucher, the writer of the episode, and Creator/PaulDarrow (Avon), have further confirmed that the fates of the other characters were kept deliberately ambiguous to provide flexibility had a fifth series gone into production, which at that time was still a faint possibility. The actors who wanted to come back would have been stunned, the actors who didn't would have been killed. Well, not the actual actors, but their characters. YKWIM.
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Servalan concocted the whole rise of Blake being on Terminal to lure Avon in so she could break him once and for all. The destruction of the Liberator, the constant TraumaCongaLine that was Series 4, Avon being set up to believe Blake had betrayed him--it was all projected into Avon's head while he was attached to the machinery on Terminal. She planned to break him completely. Trouble was, he didn't break. He just went barking mad. So when he's recovered by the rest of the crew they're going to have one hell of a time convincing him what is real and what was part of the projection. Oh, and Soolin? There's a reason she had no real personality. She was Servalan's MarySue character!

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Servalan concocted the whole rise ruse of Blake being on Terminal to lure Avon in so she could break him once and for all. The destruction of the Liberator, the constant TraumaCongaLine that was Series 4, Avon being set up to believe Blake had betrayed him--it was all projected into Avon's head while he was attached to the machinery on Terminal. She planned to break him completely. Trouble was, he didn't break. He just went barking mad. So when he's recovered by the rest of the crew they're going to have one hell of a time convincing him what is real and what was part of the projection. Oh, and Soolin? There's a reason she had no real personality. She was Servalan's MarySue character!
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Servalan concocted the whole rise of Blake being on Terminal to lure Avon in so she could break him once and for all. The destruction of the Liberator, the constant TraumaCongaLine that was Series 4, Avon being set up to believe Blake had betrayed hom--it was all projected into Avon's head while he was attached to the machinery on Terminal. She planned to break him completely. Trouble was, he didn't break. He just went mad. So when he's recovered by the rest of the crew they're going to have one hell of a time convincing him what is real and what was part of the projection. Oh, and Soolin? There's a reason she had no real personality. She was Servalan's MarySue character!

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Servalan concocted the whole rise of Blake being on Terminal to lure Avon in so she could break him once and for all. The destruction of the Liberator, the constant TraumaCongaLine that was Series 4, Avon being set up to believe Blake had betrayed hom--it him--it was all projected into Avon's head while he was attached to the machinery on Terminal. She planned to break him completely. Trouble was, he didn't break. He just went barking mad. So when he's recovered by the rest of the crew they're going to have one hell of a time convincing him what is real and what was part of the projection. Oh, and Soolin? There's a reason she had no real personality. She was Servalan's MarySue character!
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Servalan concocted the whole rise of Blake being on Terminal to lure Avon in so she could break him once and for all. The destruction of the Liberator, the constant TraumaCongaLine that was Series 4, Avon being set up to believe Blake had betrayed hom--it was all projected into Avon's head while he was attached to the machinery on Terminal. She planned to break him completely. Trouble was, he didn't break. He just went mad. So when he's recovered by the rest of the crew they're going to have one hell of a time convincing him what is real and what was part of the projection. Oh, and Soolin? There's a reason she had no real personality. She was Servalan's MarySue character!
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** Gareth Thomas has confirmed on numerous occasions that his primary stipulation for playing Blake one last time was that the character be seen to die, with absolutely no ambiguity over his fate. That's why blood squibs were used, to underline that Avon's weapon wasn't set to stun. Creator/ChrisBoucher, the writer of the episode, and Paul Darrow (Avon), have further confirmed that the fates of the other characters were kept deliberately ambiguous to provide flexibility had a fifth series gone into production, which at that time was still a faint possibility. The actors who wanted to come back would have been stunned, the actors who didn't would have been killed. Well, not the actual actors, but their characters. YKWIM.

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** Gareth Thomas has confirmed on numerous occasions that his primary stipulation for playing Blake one last time was that the character be seen to die, with absolutely no ambiguity over his fate. That's why blood squibs were used, to underline that Avon's weapon wasn't set to stun. Creator/ChrisBoucher, the writer of the episode, and Paul Darrow Creator/PaulDarrow (Avon), have further confirmed that the fates of the other characters were kept deliberately ambiguous to provide flexibility had a fifth series gone into production, which at that time was still a faint possibility. The actors who wanted to come back would have been stunned, the actors who didn't would have been killed. Well, not the actual actors, but their characters. YKWIM.
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* Remember that Servalan has successfully pulled off {{plan}}s like this before and made Avon look like a ButtMonkey in the process. (See "[[Recap/BlakesSevenS4E10Gold Gold]]").

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* Remember that Servalan has successfully pulled off {{plan}}s [[ThePlan plans]] like this before and made Avon look like a ButtMonkey in the process. (See "[[Recap/BlakesSevenS4E10Gold Gold]]").
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This is a very old fan theory, which springs from Glynis Barber playing one of Travis' mutoids in "[[Recap/BlakesSevenS1E9ProjectAvalon Project Avalon]]".

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This is a very old fan theory, which springs from Glynis Barber Creator/GlynisBarber playing one of Travis' mutoids in "[[Recap/BlakesSevenS1E9ProjectAvalon Project Avalon]]".
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** How does Vila fall the 'wrong way'? He looks like someone being shot InTheBack.
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* Mutant life that escaped Terminal (since it showed up in the same episode), OR

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* Mutant life that escaped Terminal [[Recap/BlakesSevenS3E13Terminal Terminal]] (since it showed up in the same episode), OR



* Although colonization from Earth populated many planets, there are several cases where human-looking populations clearly were present on their homeworlds for more than 300 years, particularly primitive populations who would probably need time to build up their own cultures after botched colonization attempts that left them without technology, or wars that achieved the same result. Blake's 7 has a major case of AmbiguouslyHuman when it comes to the planet of the week. I can buy the Helots as humans as they're specifically said to have been an Earth colony, as was the planet with the "Hiteks" and the "Primitives." However Keezarn and several other planets like the one from "Duel" clearly had Civilizations of either parallel-evolved humans or aliens that closely resembled humans without any distinguishing marks, thousands of years before the series. I think it's more reasonable to assume that B7 takes place farther in the future than in traditionally accepted by fans. The construction of Terminal and the remarkable feat of moving it to another star system suggests power the Federation never demonstrates otherwise (THOUGH it's not clear if the Federation was responsible). Accelerated evolution being the purpose of the planet, it's hard to infer its actual age by loooking at the wildlife there.
* Given all these clues, I submit that B7 takes place at least 1000 years in our future if not more, but that this point has been obscured by Federation propaganda, leading Blake to incorrectly date the ancient K-47 spaceship in "Kiler" as only being 700 years old; it was probably much older.

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* Although colonization from Earth populated many planets, there are several cases where human-looking populations clearly were present on their homeworlds for more than 300 years, particularly primitive populations who would probably need time to build up their own cultures after botched colonization attempts that left them without technology, or wars that achieved the same result. Blake's 7 ''Blake's 7'' has a major case of AmbiguouslyHuman when it comes to the planet of the week. I can buy the Helots as humans as they're specifically said to have been an Earth colony, as was the planet with the "Hiteks" and the "Primitives." However Keezarn and several other planets like the one from "Duel" "[[Recap/BlakesSevenS1E8Duel Duel]]" clearly had Civilizations of either parallel-evolved humans or aliens that closely resembled humans without any distinguishing marks, thousands of years before the series. I think it's more reasonable to assume that B7 takes place farther in the future than in traditionally accepted by fans. The construction of Terminal and the remarkable feat of moving it to another star system suggests power the Federation never demonstrates otherwise (THOUGH it's not clear if the Federation was responsible). Accelerated evolution being the purpose of the planet, it's hard to infer its actual age by loooking at the wildlife there.
* Given all these clues, I submit that B7 takes place at least 1000 years in our future if not more, but that this point has been obscured by Federation propaganda, leading Blake to incorrectly date the ancient K-47 spaceship in "Kiler" "[[Recap/BlakesSevenS2E7Killer Killer]]" as only being 700 years old; it was probably much older.



* Fighting in Blake's Seven was often abysmally choreographed. Or, to put it nicely, fighting in B7 was very much symbolic.
** Gareth Thomas has confirmed on numerous occasions that his primary stipulation for playing Blake one last time was that the character be seen to die, with absolutely no ambiguity over his fate. That's why blood squibs were used, to underline that Avon's weapon wasn't set to stun. Chris Boucher, the writer of the episode, and Paul Darrow (Avon), have further confirmed that the fates of the other characters were kept deliberately ambiguous to provide flexibility had a fifth series gone into production, which at that time was still a faint possibility. The actors who wanted to come back would have been stunned, the actors who didn't would have been killed. Well, not the actual actors, but their characters. YKWIM.

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* Fighting in Blake's Seven ''Blake's Seven'' was often abysmally choreographed. Or, to put it nicely, fighting in B7 was very much symbolic.
** Gareth Thomas has confirmed on numerous occasions that his primary stipulation for playing Blake one last time was that the character be seen to die, with absolutely no ambiguity over his fate. That's why blood squibs were used, to underline that Avon's weapon wasn't set to stun. Chris Boucher, Creator/ChrisBoucher, the writer of the episode, and Paul Darrow (Avon), have further confirmed that the fates of the other characters were kept deliberately ambiguous to provide flexibility had a fifth series gone into production, which at that time was still a faint possibility. The actors who wanted to come back would have been stunned, the actors who didn't would have been killed. Well, not the actual actors, but their characters. YKWIM.



* Remember that Servalan has successfully pulled off {{plan}}s like this before and made Avon look like a ButtMonkey in the process. (See "Gold").

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* Remember that Servalan has successfully pulled off {{plan}}s like this before and made Avon look like a ButtMonkey in the process. (See "Gold").
"[[Recap/BlakesSevenS4E10Gold Gold]]").



* Blake's 7 and Star Trek having the same source is an intriguing idea. It would explain why the Federation symbol from Blake's 7 appears to be very similar to the Starfleet emblem rotated around a bit. They're both based on the same original design.

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* Blake's 7 ''Blake's 7'' and Star Trek ''Star Trek'' having the same source is an intriguing idea. It would explain why the Federation symbol from Blake's 7 appears to be very similar to the Starfleet emblem rotated around a bit. They're both based on the same original design.



The last series of ''Blake's 7' introduced Pylene-50, which worked in very similar fashion to the Pax only without the side effects, and the domed cities on Earth and the restrictions on outside movement could quite easily have started out as a response to some kind of environmental catastrophe. It would be entirely typical of the Terran Federation to keep a Lost Colony too backwards and resource-poor to be worth annexing embargoed as a proving ground for their latest mood-stabilising drugs or other instruments of totalitarian unpleasantness. Whether the Alliance government is an Unwitting Pawn or willing accomplice is anyone's guess.

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The last series of ''Blake's 7' 7'' introduced Pylene-50, which worked in very similar fashion to the Pax only without the side effects, and the domed cities on Earth and the restrictions on outside movement could quite easily have started out as a response to some kind of environmental catastrophe. It would be entirely typical of the Terran Federation to keep a Lost Colony too backwards and resource-poor to be worth annexing embargoed as a proving ground for their latest mood-stabilising drugs or other instruments of totalitarian unpleasantness. Whether the Alliance government is an Unwitting Pawn or willing accomplice is anyone's guess.



* Expanded universe material for Blake's 7 has suggested that it takes place in the same universe as Doctor Who, such as the appearance of a minor guest character in the novel ''Corpse Marker'', written by Chris Boucher himself. However this contradicts some of the show's lore as the The Ark in Space shows that humanity has already discovered teleportation despite the Liberator being the first example of it in the Blake's Seven universe which would seem to contradict Who. However, as Steven Moffat would say time can be rewritten. One huge difference that the Doctor did cause in the Waters of Mars is that now there are two survivors humanity knows that it was alien life forms that were responsible for the destruction of the Mars base. This will likely lead to a much more cautious and likely hostile reaction to any future forms of alien life they may encounter.

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* Expanded universe material for Blake's 7 ''Blake's 7'' has suggested that it takes place in the same universe as Doctor Who, such as the appearance of a minor guest character in the novel ''Corpse Marker'', written by Chris Boucher himself. However this contradicts some of the show's lore as the "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS12E2TheArkInSpace The Ark in Space Space]]" shows that humanity has already discovered teleportation despite the Liberator being the first example of it in the Blake's Seven ''Blake's Seven'' universe which would seem to contradict Who. However, as Steven Moffat Creator/StevenMoffat would say time can be rewritten. One huge difference that the Doctor did cause in the "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E16TheWatersOfMars The Waters of Mars Mars]]" is that now there are two survivors humanity knows that it was alien life forms that were responsible for the destruction of the Mars base. This will likely lead to a much more cautious and likely hostile reaction to any future forms of alien life they may encounter.



This is a very old fan theory, which springs from Glynis Barber playing one of Travis' mutoids in "Project Avalon".

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This is a very old fan theory, which springs from Glynis Barber playing one of Travis' mutoids in "Project Avalon".
"[[Recap/BlakesSevenS1E9ProjectAvalon Project Avalon]]".



* Given humanity were imperialistic in the mirror universe it would fit. While the Deep Space Nine episodes had us as the rebels, we were fighting back and there's a good chance we would have ultimately become victorious. Given the last time we tried a more peaceful approach we ended up defeated, it's very likely that if they won their freedom by the end of the 24th century the humans in Star Trek's mirror universe would have returned to their old ways and ultimately created a new empire (keep in mind that Blake's 7 is set much later). Of course, they may have changed the name to something new as part of a rebranding exercise (hence "Terran Federation" rather than "Terran Empire"). The lack of transporters isn't that far out there. In Deep Space Nine there was mention that transporters were redesigned to prevent accidental contact with the prime universe. Perhaps, given the danger posed by the technology, it was eventually banned and knowledge about it was suppressed. Replicators work on a similar principle and that may be why that technology was ultimately banned as well. The lack of Klingons/Cardassians/Romulans is explained by the fact that at some point we wiped out the species who were a major threat to us.

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* Given humanity were imperialistic in the mirror universe it would fit. While the Deep ''Deep Space Nine Nine'' episodes had us as the rebels, we were fighting back and there's a good chance we would have ultimately become victorious. Given the last time we tried a more peaceful approach we ended up defeated, it's very likely that if they won their freedom by the end of the 24th century the humans in Star Trek's mirror universe would have returned to their old ways and ultimately created a new empire (keep in mind that Blake's 7 is set much later). Of course, they may have changed the name to something new as part of a rebranding exercise (hence "Terran Federation" rather than "Terran Empire"). The lack of transporters isn't that far out there. In Deep ''Deep Space Nine Nine'' there was mention that transporters were redesigned to prevent accidental contact with the prime universe. Perhaps, given the danger posed by the technology, it was eventually banned and knowledge about it was suppressed. Replicators work on a similar principle and that may be why that technology was ultimately banned as well. The lack of Klingons/Cardassians/Romulans is explained by the fact that at some point we wiped out the species who were a major threat to us.



# Blake's 7 and Star Trek are based on the same reality but with Star Trek being propaganda in favour of the Federation while Blake's 7 is against it by the rebels.
# The events in Star Trek's 24th century were chronologically after the events in Blake's 7.

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# Blake's 7 ''Blake's 7'' and Star Trek ''Star Trek'' are based on the same reality but with Star Trek ''Star Trek'' being propaganda in favour of the Federation while Blake's 7 ''Blake's 7'' is against it by the rebels.
# The events in Star Trek's ''Star Trek'''s 24th century were chronologically after the events in Blake's 7.''Blake's 7''.



In "Moloch" Servelan found a planet which, at the end of the episode, was hard to find but poorly defended. This planet had replicator technology. This technology may have taken a few years to research/distribute/make common place (in other words longer than Blake's 7 lasted). However, it's reasonable to think it would have eventually done so.

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In "Moloch" "[[Recap/BlakesSevenS3E11Moloch Moloch]]" Servelan found a planet which, at the end of the episode, was hard to find but poorly defended. This planet had replicator technology. This technology may have taken a few years to research/distribute/make common place (in other words longer than Blake's 7 ''Blake's 7'' lasted). However, it's reasonable to think it would have eventually done so.



These new technologies could lead to significant changes in the Federation. In particular, replicator technology where goods can be easily produced without effort and where trading (except of original designs) become meaningless could explain the change in economic structures. If the quality of life in the Federation improved they may even have had more planets joining them willingly and less need to drug people to get them to go along with things. So the Federation could actually be more Star Trek-like meaning the events of 24th century Star Trek and Blake's 7 could both be relatively close to the underlying "truth".

Of course, there are some inconsistencies. Speed is one as, though not formally given, ships in Blake's 7 appeared to be faster. However, going by the LiteraryAgentHypothesis it's possible that some of the details presented were incorrect. For example, the aliens in "Star One" might have been from another quadrant rather than another galaxy or may have travelled by wormhole (making the minefield more effective).

The time period is also different. Blake's 7, though not given an exact date, is generally accepted as being 27th century at earliest. However, given the tendency for the Terran Federation to rewrite history (such as pretending Servalan was never president), it's possible they chose to create a new calendar and then began suppressing knowledge of certain time periods to the point where a few centuries went missing.

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These new technologies could lead to significant changes in the Federation. In particular, replicator technology where goods can be easily produced without effort and where trading (except of original designs) become meaningless could explain the change in economic structures. If the quality of life in the Federation improved they may even have had more planets joining them willingly and less need to drug people to get them to go along with things. So the Federation could actually be more Star Trek-like ''Star Trek''-like meaning the events of 24th century Star Trek ''Star Trek'' and Blake's 7 ''Blake's 7'' could both be relatively close to the underlying "truth".

Of course, there are some inconsistencies. Speed is one as, though not formally given, ships in Blake's 7 ''Blake's 7'' appeared to be faster. However, going by the LiteraryAgentHypothesis it's possible that some of the details presented were incorrect. For example, the aliens in "Star One" "[[Recap/BlakesSevenS2E13StarOne Star One]]" might have been from another quadrant rather than another galaxy or may have travelled by wormhole (making the minefield more effective).

The time period is also different. Blake's 7, ''Blake's 7'', though not given an exact date, is generally accepted as being 27th century at earliest. However, given the tendency for the Terran Federation to rewrite history (such as pretending Servalan was never president), it's possible they chose to create a new calendar and then began suppressing knowledge of certain time periods to the point where a few centuries went missing.

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[[WMG: Blake's 7 takes place in Star Trek's mirror universe]]
* Given humanity were imperialistic in the mirror universe it would fit. While the Deep Space Nine episodes had us as the rebels, we were fighting back and there's a good chance we would have ultimately become victorious. Given the last time we tried a more peaceful approach we ended up defeated, it's very likely that if they won their freedom by the end of the 24th century the humans in Star Trek's mirror universe would have returned to their old ways and ultimately created a new empire (keep in mind that Blake's 7 is set much later). Of course, they may have changed the name to something new as part of a rebranding exercise (hence "Terran Federation" rather than "Terran Empire"). The lack of transporters isn't that far out there. In Deep Space Nine there was mention that transporters were redesigned to prevent accidental contact with the prime universe. Perhaps, given the danger posed by the technology, it was eventually banned and knowledge about it was suppressed. Replicators work on a similar principle and that may be why that technology was ultimately banned as well. The lack of Klingons/Cardassians/Romulans is explained by the fact that at some point we wiped out the species who were a major threat to us.

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* Given humanity were imperialistic in the mirror universe it would fit. While the Deep Space Nine episodes had us as the rebels, we were fighting back and there's a good chance we would have ultimately become victorious. Given the last time we tried a more peaceful approach we ended up defeated, it's very likely that if they won their freedom by the end of the 24th century the humans in Star Trek's mirror universe would have returned to their old ways and ultimately created a new empire (keep in mind that Blake's 7 is set much later). Of course, they may have changed the name to something new as part of a rebranding exercise (hence "Terran Federation" rather than "Terran Empire"). The lack of transporters isn't that far out there. In Deep Space Nine there was mention that transporters were redesigned to prevent accidental contact with the prime universe. Perhaps, given the danger posed by the technology, it was eventually banned and knowledge about it was suppressed. Replicators work on a similar principle and that may be why that technology was ultimately banned as well. The lack of Klingons/Cardassians/Romulans is explained by the fact that at some point we wiped out the species who were a major threat to us.us.
[[WMG: Star Trek's 24th century is Blake's 7's future, the earlier years are propaganda.]]
Combining together a few different ideas above:
# Blake's 7 and Star Trek are based on the same reality but with Star Trek being propaganda in favour of the Federation while Blake's 7 is against it by the rebels.
# The events in Star Trek's 24th century were chronologically after the events in Blake's 7.
# The series set earlier on in the timeline were a revisionist propaganda designed to portray the Federation/humans as always having similar to how they are in the 24th century.

In "Moloch" Servelan found a planet which, at the end of the episode, was hard to find but poorly defended. This planet had replicator technology. This technology may have taken a few years to research/distribute/make common place (in other words longer than Blake's 7 lasted). However, it's reasonable to think it would have eventually done so.

Also, it's quite possible that the teleport would have been sufficiently intact at the end of "Blake" that the Federation could have studied and replicated the technology.

These new technologies could lead to significant changes in the Federation. In particular, replicator technology where goods can be easily produced without effort and where trading (except of original designs) become meaningless could explain the change in economic structures. If the quality of life in the Federation improved they may even have had more planets joining them willingly and less need to drug people to get them to go along with things. So the Federation could actually be more Star Trek-like meaning the events of 24th century Star Trek and Blake's 7 could both be relatively close to the underlying "truth".

Of course, there are some inconsistencies. Speed is one as, though not formally given, ships in Blake's 7 appeared to be faster. However, going by the LiteraryAgentHypothesis it's possible that some of the details presented were incorrect. For example, the aliens in "Star One" might have been from another quadrant rather than another galaxy or may have travelled by wormhole (making the minefield more effective).

The time period is also different. Blake's 7, though not given an exact date, is generally accepted as being 27th century at earliest. However, given the tendency for the Terran Federation to rewrite history (such as pretending Servalan was never president), it's possible they chose to create a new calendar and then began suppressing knowledge of certain time periods to the point where a few centuries went missing.

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* Blake's 7 and Star Trek having the same source is an intriguing idea. It would explain why the Federation symbol from Blake's 7 appears to be very similar to the Starfleet emblem rotated around a bit. They're both based on the same original design.



This is a very old fan theory, which springs from Glynis Barber playing one of Travis' mutoids in "Project Avalon".

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This is a very old fan theory, which springs from Glynis Barber playing one of Travis' mutoids in "Project Avalon".Avalon".

[[WMG: Blake's 7 takes place in Star Trek's mirror universe]]
* Given humanity were imperialistic in the mirror universe it would fit. While the Deep Space Nine episodes had us as the rebels, we were fighting back and there's a good chance we would have ultimately become victorious. Given the last time we tried a more peaceful approach we ended up defeated, it's very likely that if they won their freedom by the end of the 24th century the humans in Star Trek's mirror universe would have returned to their old ways and ultimately created a new empire (keep in mind that Blake's 7 is set much later). Of course, they may have changed the name to something new as part of a rebranding exercise (hence "Terran Federation" rather than "Terran Empire"). The lack of transporters isn't that far out there. In Deep Space Nine there was mention that transporters were redesigned to prevent accidental contact with the prime universe. Perhaps, given the danger posed by the technology, it was eventually banned and knowledge about it was suppressed. Replicators work on a similar principle and that may be why that technology was ultimately banned as well. The lack of Klingons/Cardassians/Romulans is explained by the fact that at some point we wiped out the species who were a major threat to us.
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* The Doctor does have a habit of bringing entire tyrannical civilisations tumbling down when he runs into them, [[Recap/DoctorWhoS14E5TheRobotsOfDeath and he's been in the general area before]]. It would make for an interesting dramatic difference between the scale of the two series, too. The crew of the ''Liberator'' fight the Federation for years and are nearly all killed... because they're stuck in a story years ''before'' the Doctor shows up.

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* The Doctor does have a habit of bringing entire tyrannical civilisations tumbling down when he runs into them, [[Recap/DoctorWhoS14E5TheRobotsOfDeath and he's been in the general area before]]. (Going by the Creator/ChrisBoucher connection, I'd say it ought to be the Fourth Doctor and Leela, too). It would make for an interesting dramatic difference between the scale of the two series, too. The crew of the ''Liberator'' fight the Federation for years years, it's all for nothing and are they're nearly all killed... because they're they could be stuck in a ''Doctor Who'' story in the years ''before'' the Doctor shows up.
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Expanded universe material for Blake's 7 has suggested that it takes place in the same universe as Doctor Who, such as the appearance of a minor guest character in the novel Corpse Marker, written by Chris Boucher himself. However this contradicts some of the show's lore as the The Ark in Space shows that humanity has already discovered teleportation despite the Liberator being the first example of it in the Blake's Seven universe which would seem to contradict Who. However, as Steven Moffat would say time can be rewritten. One huge difference that the Doctor did cause in the Waters of Mars is that now there are two survivors humanity knows that it was alien life forms that were responsible for the destruction of the Mars base. This will likely lead to a much more cautious and likely hostile reaction to any future forms of alien life they may encounter.

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* Expanded universe material for Blake's 7 has suggested that it takes place in the same universe as Doctor Who, such as the appearance of a minor guest character in the novel Corpse Marker, ''Corpse Marker'', written by Chris Boucher himself. However this contradicts some of the show's lore as the The Ark in Space shows that humanity has already discovered teleportation despite the Liberator being the first example of it in the Blake's Seven universe which would seem to contradict Who. However, as Steven Moffat would say time can be rewritten. One huge difference that the Doctor did cause in the Waters of Mars is that now there are two survivors humanity knows that it was alien life forms that were responsible for the destruction of the Mars base. This will likely lead to a much more cautious and likely hostile reaction to any future forms of alien life they may encounter.



The Doctor does have a habit of bringing entire tyrannical civilisations tumbling down when he runs into them, [[Recap/DoctorWhoS14E5TheRobotsOfDeath and he's been in the general area before]]. It would make for an interesting dramatic difference between the scale of the two series, too. The crew of the ''Liberator'' try for years and are nearly all killed... because they're stuck in a story where the Doctor ''doesn't'' show up in time.

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* The Doctor does have a habit of bringing entire tyrannical civilisations tumbling down when he runs into them, [[Recap/DoctorWhoS14E5TheRobotsOfDeath and he's been in the general area before]]. It would make for an interesting dramatic difference between the scale of the two series, too. The crew of the ''Liberator'' try fight the Federation for years and are nearly all killed... because they're stuck in a story where years ''before'' the Doctor ''doesn't'' show up in time.
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[[WMG: The Federation was eventually brought down by [[Series/DoctorWho the Doctor]].]]
The Doctor does have a habit of bringing entire tyrannical civilisations tumbling down when he runs into them, [[Recap/DoctorWhoS14E5TheRobotsOfDeath and he's been in the general area before]]. It would make for an interesting dramatic difference between the scale of the two series, too. The crew of the ''Liberator'' try for years and are nearly all killed... because they're stuck in a story where the Doctor ''doesn't'' show up in time.
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[[WMG: Soolin's sister survived the massacre of their family, and was turned into a mutoid.]]
This is a very old fan theory, which springs from Glynis Barber playing one of Travis' mutoids in "Project Avalon".
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* Although colonization from Earth populated many planets, there are several cases where human-looking populations clearly were present on their homeworlds for more than 300 years, particularly primitive populations who would probably need time to build up their own cultures after botched colonization attempts that left them without technology, or wars that achieved the same result. Blake's 7 has a major case of AmbiguouslyHuman when it comes to the planet of the week. I can buy the Helots as humans as they're specifically said to have been an Earth colony, as was the planet with the "Hiteks" and the "Primitives." However Keezarn and several other planets like the one from "Duel" clearly had CivilizationS of either parallel-evolved humans or aliens that closely resembled humans without any distinguishing marks, thousands of years before the series. I think it's more reasonable to assume that B7 takes place farther in the future than in traditionally accepted by fans. The construction of Terminal and the remarkable feat of moving it to another star system suggests power the Federation never demonstrates otherwise (THOUGH it's not clear if the Federation was responsible). Accelerated evolution being the purpose of the planet, it's hard to infer its actual age by loooking at the wildlife there.

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* Although colonization from Earth populated many planets, there are several cases where human-looking populations clearly were present on their homeworlds for more than 300 years, particularly primitive populations who would probably need time to build up their own cultures after botched colonization attempts that left them without technology, or wars that achieved the same result. Blake's 7 has a major case of AmbiguouslyHuman when it comes to the planet of the week. I can buy the Helots as humans as they're specifically said to have been an Earth colony, as was the planet with the "Hiteks" and the "Primitives." However Keezarn and several other planets like the one from "Duel" clearly had CivilizationS Civilizations of either parallel-evolved humans or aliens that closely resembled humans without any distinguishing marks, thousands of years before the series. I think it's more reasonable to assume that B7 takes place farther in the future than in traditionally accepted by fans. The construction of Terminal and the remarkable feat of moving it to another star system suggests power the Federation never demonstrates otherwise (THOUGH it's not clear if the Federation was responsible). Accelerated evolution being the purpose of the planet, it's hard to infer its actual age by loooking at the wildlife there.
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* Then as a follow-up, allow me to suggest that the Federation in this world controls the badly maintained and heavily indoctrinated [[StarshipTroopers Mobile Infantry]].

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* Then as a follow-up, allow me to suggest that the Federation in this world controls the badly maintained and heavily indoctrinated [[StarshipTroopers [[Film/StarshipTroopers Mobile Infantry]].
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[[WMG: {{Firefly}} takes place in the same universe.]]

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[[WMG: {{Firefly}} {{Series/Firefly}} takes place in the same universe.]]
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** In BigFinishDoctorWho "Dalek Empire" the Galaxy is set back during the late 42nd century. If this is when the new calendar starts it could work.

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* Then as a follow-up, allow me to suggest that the Federation in this world is the badly maintained and heavily indoctrinated [[StarshipTroopers Mobile Infantry]].

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** In BigFinishDoctorWho "Dalek Empire" the Galaxy is set back during the late 42nd century. If this is when the new calendar starts it could work.
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* Mutant life that escaped Terminal (since it showed up in the same episode, OR

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* Mutant life that escaped Terminal (since it showed up in the same episode, OR
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[[WMG: Where did those platinum-blonde humanoids on Terminal come from, what are their origins, allegiances, etc?]]
Okay, first, I love the episode "Terminal." But I never understood where those two platinum blonde humanoids came from. Were they natives of Terminal, perhaps an evolutionarily accelerated human lineage, split off from the evolution of the "Links," the ape-like creatures that Servalan calls humanity's future. Well I think I finally figured it out. Later in the series, a group of Mutoids appear who don't look anything like the other mutoids we see in the series with one exception: that same, long, platinum-blonde hair (previous Mutoids were hairless their heads capped by a large cybernetic device, and had a different, more ornate uniform). On Terminal, perhaps a group of such Mutoids (why should we assume there's only one Mutoid model?) were used by Servalan. Only problem: they had names, unlike other Mutoids, but who knows what Servalan might have modified them for. If you can take away a slave's ID before Mutoid modification, maybe there's a way to restore it (as Travis implies early in the series to a particularly attractive Mutoid. So either they were Mutoids dressed in something other than black uniforms, natives of Terminal, or some offshoot of humans or near-human species that Servalan hired for her purposes. I personally support the natural origin on Terminal and unusual Mutoid variant theories, either would work without much more explanation. Servalan probably "humanized" the Mutoids on Terminal for her own reasons. She's that manipulative. Otherwise, they could have been hyper-accelerated humans or human-like beings that split off from the accelerated evolutionary track that led to the Links, making them similar to human beings in comparison to Chimpanzees.

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[[WMG: Where did those platinum-blonde humanoids Platinum-Blonde Humanoids on Terminal come from, what are their origins, allegiances, etc?]]
Okay, first, I love the episode "Terminal." But I never understood where those two platinum blonde humanoids helping Servalan came from. Were they natives of Terminal, perhaps an evolutionarily accelerated human lineage, split off from the evolution of the "Links," the ape-like creatures that Servalan calls humanity's future. Well I think I finally figured it out. future? Terminal was supposed to be a laboratory for hyper-accelerated evolution. There is some evidence that they are a form of Mutoid: Later in the series, a group of Mutoids appear who don't look anything like the other mutoids Mutoids we see in the series with one exception: that same, series, but they do have long, platinum-blonde hair (previous Mutoids were hairless hairless, their heads capped by a large cybernetic device, and had a different, more ornate different less utilitarian uniform). On Terminal, perhaps a group of such Mutoids (why should we assume there's only one Mutoid model?) were used by Servalan. Only problem: they had names, unlike all other Mutoids, but who knows what Servalan might have modified them for. for? If you can take away a slave's ID before Mutoid modification, maybe there's a way to restore it modification (as Travis implies early in the series to a particularly attractive Mutoid. Mutoid) maybe it can be restored or replaced with a different identity. So either they were Mutoids dressed in something other than standard black uniforms, natives of Terminal, or some offshoot of humans or near-human species that Servalan hired for her purposes. I personally support purposes, but what would she have needed from them if they weren't connected to Terminal in some way? Could they be the natural origin descendants of the scientists who built and moved Terminal? Personally I think they evolved on Terminal and they're basically super-evolved humans, genetic cousins of the Ape-like Links, but it's still possible they were an unusual Mutoid variant theories, either would work without much more explanation. Servalan probably "humanized" the Mutoids on Terminal for her own reasons. She's that manipulative. Otherwise, they could have been hyper-accelerated humans or human-like beings that split off from the accelerated evolutionary track that led to the Links, making them similar to human beings in comparison to Chimpanzees.

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* The series is often said to be set in the 27th century, but this is only inferred through context, and in the context, that interpretation of the calendar might be wrong. After all, the Federation refers to the 3rd century of "The New Calendar."
* Although colonization from Earth populated many planets, there are several cases where human-looking populations clearly were present on their homeworlds for more than 300 years, particularly primitive populations who would probably need time to build up their own cultures after botched colonization attempts that left them without technology, or wars that achieved the same result. Blake's 7 has a major case of AmbiguouslyHuman when it comes to the planet of the week. I can buy the Helots as humans as they're specifically said to have been an Earth colony, as was the planet with the "Hiteks" and the "Primitives." However Keezarn and several other planets like the one from "Duel" clearly had CivilizationS of either parallel-evolved humans or aliens that closely resembled humans without any distinguishing marks, thousands of years before the series. I think it's more reasonable to assume that B7 takes place farther in the future than in traditionally accepted by fans. The construction of Terminal and the remarkable feat of moving it to another star system suggests power the Federation never demonstrates otherwise (THOUGH it's not clear if the Federation was responsible). Accelerated evolution being the purpose of the planet, it's hard to infer its actual age by loooking at the wildlife there.
* Given all these clues, I submit that B7 takes place at least 1000 years in our future if not more, but that this point has been obscured by Federation propaganda, leading Blake to incorrectly date the ancient K-47 spaceship in "Kiler" as only being 700 years old; it was probably much older.

[[WMG: Where did those platinum-blonde humanoids on Terminal come from, what are their origins, allegiances, etc?]]
Okay, first, I love the episode "Terminal." But I never understood where those two platinum blonde humanoids came from. Were they natives of Terminal, perhaps an evolutionarily accelerated human lineage, split off from the evolution of the "Links," the ape-like creatures that Servalan calls humanity's future. Well I think I finally figured it out. Later in the series, a group of Mutoids appear who don't look anything like the other mutoids we see in the series with one exception: that same, long, platinum-blonde hair (previous Mutoids were hairless their heads capped by a large cybernetic device, and had a different, more ornate uniform). On Terminal, perhaps a group of such Mutoids (why should we assume there's only one Mutoid model?) were used by Servalan. Only problem: they had names, unlike other Mutoids, but who knows what Servalan might have modified them for. If you can take away a slave's ID before Mutoid modification, maybe there's a way to restore it (as Travis implies early in the series to a particularly attractive Mutoid. So either they were Mutoids dressed in something other than black uniforms, natives of Terminal, or some offshoot of humans or near-human species that Servalan hired for her purposes. I personally support the natural origin on Terminal and unusual Mutoid variant theories, either would work without much more explanation. Servalan probably "humanized" the Mutoids on Terminal for her own reasons. She's that manipulative. Otherwise, they could have been hyper-accelerated humans or human-like beings that split off from the accelerated evolutionary track that led to the Links, making them similar to human beings in comparison to Chimpanzees.

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[[WMG: Blake was originally an artificial personality created by the Federation to lead the resistance.]]
* This could give the propagandists a #1 public enemy, help the police state root out dissidents, and keep rebel leadership a known quantity. The experiment simply went [[GoneHorriblyRight Horribly Right]]. Twice.

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