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1st Nov '17 6:16:14 PM ApeAccount
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[[WMG: Blake's 7 takes place in Star Trek's mirror universe]]
* Given humanity were imperialistic in the mirror universe it would fit. While the Deep Space Nine episodes had us as the rebels, we were fighting back and there's a good chance we would have ultimately become victorious. Given the last time we tried a more peaceful approach we ended up defeated, it's very likely that if they won their freedom by the end of the 24th century the humans in Star Trek's mirror universe would have returned to their old ways and ultimately created a new empire (keep in mind that Blake's 7 is set much later). Of course, they may have changed the name to something new as part of a rebranding exercise (hence "Terran Federation" rather than "Terran Empire"). The lack of transporters isn't that far out there. In Deep Space Nine there was mention that transporters were redesigned to prevent accidental contact with the prime universe. Perhaps, given the danger posed by the technology, it was eventually banned and knowledge about it was suppressed. Replicators work on a similar principle and that may be why that technology was ultimately banned as well. The lack of Klingons/Cardassians/Romulans is explained by the fact that at some point we wiped out the species who were a major threat to us.

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[[WMG: Blake's 7 takes place in Star Trek's mirror universe]]
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* Given humanity were imperialistic in the mirror universe it would fit. While the Deep Space Nine episodes had us as the rebels, we were fighting back and there's a good chance we would have ultimately become victorious. Given the last time we tried a more peaceful approach we ended up defeated, it's very likely that if they won their freedom by the end of the 24th century the humans in Star Trek's mirror universe would have returned to their old ways and ultimately created a new empire (keep in mind that Blake's 7 is set much later). Of course, they may have changed the name to something new as part of a rebranding exercise (hence "Terran Federation" rather than "Terran Empire"). The lack of transporters isn't that far out there. In Deep Space Nine there was mention that transporters were redesigned to prevent accidental contact with the prime universe. Perhaps, given the danger posed by the technology, it was eventually banned and knowledge about it was suppressed. Replicators work on a similar principle and that may be why that technology was ultimately banned as well. The lack of Klingons/Cardassians/Romulans is explained by the fact that at some point we wiped out the species who were a major threat to us.us.
[[WMG: Star Trek's 24th century is Blake's 7's future, the earlier years are propaganda.]]
Combining together a few different ideas above:
# Blake's 7 and Star Trek are based on the same reality but with Star Trek being propaganda in favour of the Federation while Blake's 7 is against it by the rebels.
# The events in Star Trek's 24th century were chronologically after the events in Blake's 7.
# The series set earlier on in the timeline were a revisionist propaganda designed to portray the Federation/humans as always having similar to how they are in the 24th century.

In "Moloch" Servelan found a planet which, at the end of the episode, was hard to find but poorly defended. This planet had replicator technology. This technology may have taken a few years to research/distribute/make common place (in other words longer than Blake's 7 lasted). However, it's reasonable to think it would have eventually done so.

Also, it's quite possible that the teleport would have been sufficiently intact at the end of "Blake" that the Federation could have studied and replicated the technology.

These new technologies could lead to significant changes in the Federation. In particular, replicator technology where goods can be easily produced without effort and where trading (except of original designs) become meaningless could explain the change in economic structures. If the quality of life in the Federation improved they may even have had more planets joining them willingly and less need to drug people to get them to go along with things. So the Federation could actually be more Star Trek-like meaning the events of 24th century Star Trek and Blake's 7 could both be relatively close to the underlying "truth".

Of course, there are some inconsistencies. Speed is one as, though not formally given, ships in Blake's 7 appeared to be faster. However, going by the LiteraryAgentHypothesis it's possible that some of the details presented were incorrect. For example, the aliens in "Star One" might have been from another quadrant rather than another galaxy or may have travelled by wormhole (making the minefield more effective).

The time period is also different. Blake's 7, though not given an exact date, is generally accepted as being 27th century at earliest. However, given the tendency for the Terran Federation to rewrite history (such as pretending Servalan was never president), it's possible they chose to create a new calendar and then began suppressing knowledge of certain time periods to the point where a few centuries went missing.
10th Oct '17 9:24:17 PM ApeAccount
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* Blake's 7 and Star Trek having the same source is an intriguing idea. It would explain why the Federation symbol from Blake's 7 appears to be very similar to the Starfleet emblem rotated around a bit. They're both based on the same original design.



This is a very old fan theory, which springs from Glynis Barber playing one of Travis' mutoids in "Project Avalon".

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This is a very old fan theory, which springs from Glynis Barber playing one of Travis' mutoids in "Project Avalon".Avalon".

[[WMG: Blake's 7 takes place in Star Trek's mirror universe]]
* Given humanity were imperialistic in the mirror universe it would fit. While the Deep Space Nine episodes had us as the rebels, we were fighting back and there's a good chance we would have ultimately become victorious. Given the last time we tried a more peaceful approach we ended up defeated, it's very likely that if they won their freedom by the end of the 24th century the humans in Star Trek's mirror universe would have returned to their old ways and ultimately created a new empire (keep in mind that Blake's 7 is set much later). Of course, they may have changed the name to something new as part of a rebranding exercise (hence "Terran Federation" rather than "Terran Empire"). The lack of transporters isn't that far out there. In Deep Space Nine there was mention that transporters were redesigned to prevent accidental contact with the prime universe. Perhaps, given the danger posed by the technology, it was eventually banned and knowledge about it was suppressed. Replicators work on a similar principle and that may be why that technology was ultimately banned as well. The lack of Klingons/Cardassians/Romulans is explained by the fact that at some point we wiped out the species who were a major threat to us.
4th Jun '17 10:05:20 AM moloch
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* The Doctor does have a habit of bringing entire tyrannical civilisations tumbling down when he runs into them, [[Recap/DoctorWhoS14E5TheRobotsOfDeath and he's been in the general area before]]. It would make for an interesting dramatic difference between the scale of the two series, too. The crew of the ''Liberator'' fight the Federation for years and are nearly all killed... because they're stuck in a story years ''before'' the Doctor shows up.

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* The Doctor does have a habit of bringing entire tyrannical civilisations tumbling down when he runs into them, [[Recap/DoctorWhoS14E5TheRobotsOfDeath and he's been in the general area before]]. (Going by the Creator/ChrisBoucher connection, I'd say it ought to be the Fourth Doctor and Leela, too). It would make for an interesting dramatic difference between the scale of the two series, too. The crew of the ''Liberator'' fight the Federation for years years, it's all for nothing and are they're nearly all killed... because they're they could be stuck in a ''Doctor Who'' story in the years ''before'' the Doctor shows up.
up.
3rd Jun '17 12:38:08 PM moloch
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Expanded universe material for Blake's 7 has suggested that it takes place in the same universe as Doctor Who, such as the appearance of a minor guest character in the novel Corpse Marker, written by Chris Boucher himself. However this contradicts some of the show's lore as the The Ark in Space shows that humanity has already discovered teleportation despite the Liberator being the first example of it in the Blake's Seven universe which would seem to contradict Who. However, as Steven Moffat would say time can be rewritten. One huge difference that the Doctor did cause in the Waters of Mars is that now there are two survivors humanity knows that it was alien life forms that were responsible for the destruction of the Mars base. This will likely lead to a much more cautious and likely hostile reaction to any future forms of alien life they may encounter.

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* Expanded universe material for Blake's 7 has suggested that it takes place in the same universe as Doctor Who, such as the appearance of a minor guest character in the novel Corpse Marker, ''Corpse Marker'', written by Chris Boucher himself. However this contradicts some of the show's lore as the The Ark in Space shows that humanity has already discovered teleportation despite the Liberator being the first example of it in the Blake's Seven universe which would seem to contradict Who. However, as Steven Moffat would say time can be rewritten. One huge difference that the Doctor did cause in the Waters of Mars is that now there are two survivors humanity knows that it was alien life forms that were responsible for the destruction of the Mars base. This will likely lead to a much more cautious and likely hostile reaction to any future forms of alien life they may encounter.



The Doctor does have a habit of bringing entire tyrannical civilisations tumbling down when he runs into them, [[Recap/DoctorWhoS14E5TheRobotsOfDeath and he's been in the general area before]]. It would make for an interesting dramatic difference between the scale of the two series, too. The crew of the ''Liberator'' try for years and are nearly all killed... because they're stuck in a story where the Doctor ''doesn't'' show up in time.

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* The Doctor does have a habit of bringing entire tyrannical civilisations tumbling down when he runs into them, [[Recap/DoctorWhoS14E5TheRobotsOfDeath and he's been in the general area before]]. It would make for an interesting dramatic difference between the scale of the two series, too. The crew of the ''Liberator'' try fight the Federation for years and are nearly all killed... because they're stuck in a story where years ''before'' the Doctor ''doesn't'' show up in time.
shows up.
3rd Jun '17 12:13:37 PM moloch
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[[WMG: The Federation was eventually brought down by [[Series/DoctorWho the Doctor]].]]
The Doctor does have a habit of bringing entire tyrannical civilisations tumbling down when he runs into them, [[Recap/DoctorWhoS14E5TheRobotsOfDeath and he's been in the general area before]]. It would make for an interesting dramatic difference between the scale of the two series, too. The crew of the ''Liberator'' try for years and are nearly all killed... because they're stuck in a story where the Doctor ''doesn't'' show up in time.
2nd Sep '16 12:53:29 PM Starkiller
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[[WMG: Soolin's sister survived the massacre of their family, and was turned into a mutoid.]]
This is a very old fan theory, which springs from Glynis Barber playing one of Travis' mutoids in "Project Avalon".
17th Feb '16 11:09:57 AM malifee
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* Although colonization from Earth populated many planets, there are several cases where human-looking populations clearly were present on their homeworlds for more than 300 years, particularly primitive populations who would probably need time to build up their own cultures after botched colonization attempts that left them without technology, or wars that achieved the same result. Blake's 7 has a major case of AmbiguouslyHuman when it comes to the planet of the week. I can buy the Helots as humans as they're specifically said to have been an Earth colony, as was the planet with the "Hiteks" and the "Primitives." However Keezarn and several other planets like the one from "Duel" clearly had CivilizationS of either parallel-evolved humans or aliens that closely resembled humans without any distinguishing marks, thousands of years before the series. I think it's more reasonable to assume that B7 takes place farther in the future than in traditionally accepted by fans. The construction of Terminal and the remarkable feat of moving it to another star system suggests power the Federation never demonstrates otherwise (THOUGH it's not clear if the Federation was responsible). Accelerated evolution being the purpose of the planet, it's hard to infer its actual age by loooking at the wildlife there.

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* Although colonization from Earth populated many planets, there are several cases where human-looking populations clearly were present on their homeworlds for more than 300 years, particularly primitive populations who would probably need time to build up their own cultures after botched colonization attempts that left them without technology, or wars that achieved the same result. Blake's 7 has a major case of AmbiguouslyHuman when it comes to the planet of the week. I can buy the Helots as humans as they're specifically said to have been an Earth colony, as was the planet with the "Hiteks" and the "Primitives." However Keezarn and several other planets like the one from "Duel" clearly had CivilizationS Civilizations of either parallel-evolved humans or aliens that closely resembled humans without any distinguishing marks, thousands of years before the series. I think it's more reasonable to assume that B7 takes place farther in the future than in traditionally accepted by fans. The construction of Terminal and the remarkable feat of moving it to another star system suggests power the Federation never demonstrates otherwise (THOUGH it's not clear if the Federation was responsible). Accelerated evolution being the purpose of the planet, it's hard to infer its actual age by loooking at the wildlife there.
26th Jun '15 1:03:43 PM StFan
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* Then as a follow-up, allow me to suggest that the Federation in this world controls the badly maintained and heavily indoctrinated [[StarshipTroopers Mobile Infantry]].

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* Then as a follow-up, allow me to suggest that the Federation in this world controls the badly maintained and heavily indoctrinated [[StarshipTroopers [[Film/StarshipTroopers Mobile Infantry]].
22nd Mar '15 6:00:29 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: {{Firefly}} takes place in the same universe.]]

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[[WMG: {{Firefly}} {{Series/Firefly}} takes place in the same universe.]]
9th Mar '15 11:14:01 AM LongLiveHumour
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** In BigFinishDoctorWho "Dalek Empire" the Galaxy is set back during the late 42nd century. If this is when the new calendar starts it could work.

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** In BigFinishDoctorWho AudioPlay/BigFinishDoctorWho "Dalek Empire" the Galaxy is set back during the late 42nd century. If this is when the new calendar starts it could work.
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