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12th Sep '17 11:18:15 PM TheBigBopper
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Considering the theories that Guts is (unknowingly) creating or strengthening it: Miura is gradually lighting the tone of the series as a reflection that the Idea of Good is becoming real as Guts (and maybe, to some extent, Rickert) defy fate and gather more "followers". And perhaps its existence somehow affects or is affected by, but not exclusively, Guts' perception of life, as he seems more hopeful and okay about it in recent chapters.

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Considering the theories that Guts is (unknowingly) creating or strengthening it: Miura is gradually lighting the tone of the series as a reflection that the Idea of Good is becoming real as Guts (and maybe, to some extent, Rickert) defy fate and gather more "followers". And perhaps its existence somehow affects or is affected by, but not exclusively, Guts' perception of life, as he seems more hopeful and okay about it in recent chapters.chapters.
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12th Sep '17 11:17:22 PM TheBigBopper
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It's been stated that the Dragonslayer grows in power with each entity it kills. Hence, if it kills something as horrifying as a God Hand, Guts would [[TookALevelInBadass take a massive level in badass]]. But what's going to happen is that Guts will make a DynamicEntry into the AmazingTechnicolorBattlefield, [[KilledOffForReal kill Ubik, Kill Conrad, and then kill Slan]]. Void will attempt to project a shield, but to [[CurbstompBattle no avail]]. Then Guts will be ready for the FinalBattle against Femto and the [[spoiler: Idea of Evil]]....

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It's been stated that the Dragonslayer grows in power with each entity it kills. Hence, if it kills something as horrifying as a God Hand, Guts would [[TookALevelInBadass take a massive level in badass]]. But what's going to happen is that Guts will make a DynamicEntry into the AmazingTechnicolorBattlefield, [[KilledOffForReal kill Ubik, Kill Conrad, and then kill Slan]]. Void will attempt to project a shield, but to [[CurbstompBattle no avail]]. Then Guts will be ready for the FinalBattle against Femto and the [[spoiler: Idea of Evil]]....Evil....



* There will be no fight against the [[spoiler: Idea of Evil]]. Guts has already battled [[spoiler:Sea God, or so to say his heart.]] This fight and supposedly fight against [[spoiler:Idea of Evil]] are really similar. Think about it: [[spoiler:Guts faces giant beating heart, that makes monsters appear out of nowhere. Creation is like basic feat of a God, and if it's berserk then it's creation of monsters or evil spirits]]

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* There will be no fight against the [[spoiler: Idea of Evil]]. Evil. Guts has already battled [[spoiler:Sea Sea God, or so to say his heart.]] heart. This fight and supposedly fight against [[spoiler:Idea Idea of Evil]] Evil are really similar. Think about it: [[spoiler:Guts Guts faces giant beating heart, that makes monsters appear out of nowhere. Creation is like basic feat of a God, and if it's berserk then it's creation of monsters or evil spirits]]
spirits.



*** Well, Miura has a knack at [[CastOfSnowFlakes not making everybody a paper-doll cut out of each other]], even if they're from the same ethnic group. Silat has [[http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Berserk/037.047/169 a lot of sharp features to his face]], as well as a lot of the Bakiraka, which could reflect how [[RedRightHand they were perceived as not really good guys]] - and maybe even a bit stereotyped - while Casca's features are a lot more soft and "normal" which is probably how a lot more Kushan people look like, [[http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Berserk/237.246/211 judging from the way the children look]]. Personally, I always thought that a half-Kushan person would look like [[http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Berserk/317/10 Guska]], since he looks like both of his [[spoiler: supposed]] parents and thus has features of both [[http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Berserk/237.246/49 a Kushan and a Midlandian]] (or is it "Midlander"?).

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*** Well, Miura has a knack at [[CastOfSnowFlakes not making everybody a paper-doll cut out of each other]], even if they're from the same ethnic group. Silat has [[http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Berserk/037.047/169 a lot of sharp features to his face]], as well as a lot of the Bakiraka, which could reflect how [[RedRightHand they were perceived as not really good guys]] - and maybe even a bit stereotyped - while Casca's features are a lot more soft and "normal" which is probably how a lot more Kushan people look like, [[http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Berserk/237.246/211 judging from the way the children look]]. Personally, I always thought that a half-Kushan person would look like [[http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Berserk/317/10 Guska]], since he looks like both of his [[spoiler: supposed]] supposed parents and thus has features of both [[http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Berserk/237.246/49 a Kushan and a Midlandian]] (or is it "Midlander"?).



* Would this require an [[spoiler:Idea of Good]]?
** Yes, yes it would. It would obviously be much weaker than [[spoiler:Idea of Evil]], but gaining in strength.

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* Would this require an [[spoiler:Idea Idea of Good]]?
Good?
** Yes, yes it would. It would obviously be much weaker than [[spoiler:Idea Idea of Evil]], Evil, but gaining in strength.



The setting of Midland is certainly grim, gritty, and vicious enought to fit in the 40K universe. The Godhand are just a local group of greater Slaaneshi or Tzeentchi demons; Griffith's [[spoiler:joining them and sacrificing the Band of the Hawk]] was just his way of embracing Chaos. And Guts? If he ever got rid of that [[strike:brand on his neck]] Chaos-taint, he'd probably be prime Space Marine material.

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The setting of Midland is certainly grim, gritty, and vicious enought to fit in the 40K universe. The Godhand are just a local group of greater Slaaneshi or Tzeentchi demons; Griffith's [[spoiler:joining joining them and sacrificing the Band of the Hawk]] Hawk was just his way of embracing Chaos. And Guts? If he ever got rid of that [[strike:brand on his neck]] Chaos-taint, he'd probably be prime Space Marine material.



* Given that there were two missing Primarchs, this troper would surmise that [[spoiler:Griffith]] would therefore be the other missing Primarch. Not only would this explain his and Guts unusually strong bond and their incredible combat strength but tie neatly into the fact that exactly half of the Primarchs fell to the influence of Chaos and [[spoiler:"Femto"]] is nothing more than his appearance as a Daemon Prince.
* And of course... the [[spoiler:Idea of Evil]]? The Warp. They even have similar origin stories.

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* Given that there were two missing Primarchs, this troper would surmise that [[spoiler:Griffith]] Griffith would therefore be the other missing Primarch. Not only would this explain his and Guts unusually strong bond and their incredible combat strength but tie neatly into the fact that exactly half of the Primarchs fell to the influence of Chaos and [[spoiler:"Femto"]] "Femto" is nothing more than his appearance as a Daemon Prince.
* And of course... the [[spoiler:Idea Idea of Evil]]? Evil? The Warp. They even have similar origin stories.



* The members of the Godhand represent different Chaos gods. Conrad is likely a Daemon Prince of Nurgle (he manifested himself with a pile of ''rats'' once), Slan is obviously a Slaaneshi Daemon Princess, and Void and Ubik [[spoiler: and Femto]] follow Tzeentch. As for Khorne? He clearly decided to be subtle for once and settled for tainting the missing Primarch Guts, meaning that [[spoiler: the Beast]] ''isn't'' just a SuperpoweredEvilSide, it's the ''manifestation of Khorne's will''. Zodd the Immortal is clearly a follower of Khorne.

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* The members of the Godhand represent different Chaos gods. Conrad is likely a Daemon Prince of Nurgle (he manifested himself with a pile of ''rats'' once), Slan is obviously a Slaaneshi Daemon Princess, and Void and Ubik [[spoiler: and Femto]] Femto follow Tzeentch. As for Khorne? He clearly decided to be subtle for once and settled for tainting the missing Primarch Guts, meaning that [[spoiler: the Beast]] Beast ''isn't'' just a SuperpoweredEvilSide, it's the ''manifestation of Khorne's will''. Zodd the Immortal is clearly a follower of Khorne.



[[spoiler: We have arrived, and it is now that we perform our charge. In fealty of the GodEmperor, our undying Lord, and by the Grace of the Golden Throne, I declare Exterminatus on the Imperial world of Midland. I hearby sign the death warrant of an entire world, and consign a billion souls to oblivion. May Imperial Justice Account in All Balance. The Emperor Protects.]]

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[[spoiler: We have arrived, and it is now that we perform our charge. In fealty of the GodEmperor, our undying Lord, and by the Grace of the Golden Throne, I declare Exterminatus on the Imperial world of Midland. I hearby sign the death warrant of an entire world, and consign a billion souls to oblivion. May Imperial Justice Account in All Balance. The Emperor Protects.]]



What if, rather than it just being another world, Berserk is ''the distant past of Terra.'' Guts? He's the origin of Khorne. Khorne was born during the Middle Ages on Earth. Who else would have enough raw anger to birth Khorne-Guts. The Beast is likely the embryonic form of the Chaos God. [[spoiler:The Idea of Evil]] may be a primitive Chaos God. Each of the demons and [[DemonLordAndArchdevils the Godhand]] is an example of a Chaos Daemon. [[MagnificentBastard Tzeentch]] is likely in control of the [[spoiler:Idea of Evil]] to fill one of his countless [[ThePlan gambits]], because that's how he roles.

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What if, rather than it just being another world, Berserk is ''the distant past of Terra.'' Guts? He's the origin of Khorne. Khorne was born during the Middle Ages on Earth. Who else would have enough raw anger to birth Khorne-Guts. The Beast is likely the embryonic form of the Chaos God. [[spoiler:The The Idea of Evil]] Evil may be a primitive Chaos God. Each of the demons and [[DemonLordAndArchdevils the Godhand]] is an example of a Chaos Daemon. [[MagnificentBastard Tzeentch]] is likely in control of the [[spoiler:Idea Idea of Evil]] Evil to fill one of his countless [[ThePlan gambits]], because that's how he roles.



Now, Georg may use a katana and fights like a Samurai, while Guts is a mercenary who uses the mother of all {{BFS}}s, but most everything else fits. Both are LightningBruiser badasses capable of kicking all kinds of @#!*% . Both live in worlds controlled by some transcendental entities that manipulate the flow of causality (the [[spoiler: Idea of Evil]] and the 27 True Runes). And @#!*% , both bear a striking resemblance to each other. And while we're at it, Georg tends to wear an eyepatch over his right eye, despite it still being fully functional. Perhaps this could be telling: either Guts has been fooling everyone all this time and his own right eye is still good, or Georg seems to share some kind of connection (or possibly memories) to his Midland counterpart and acts accordingly. Perhaps ''Suikoden'' does not take place in an alternate universe, but in the exact same universe as ''Berserk'', in the distant future, with Georg being a reincarnation of Guts!

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Now, Georg may use a katana and fights like a Samurai, while Guts is a mercenary who uses the mother of all {{BFS}}s, but most everything else fits. Both are LightningBruiser badasses capable of kicking all kinds of @#!*% . Both live in worlds controlled by some transcendental entities that manipulate the flow of causality (the [[spoiler: Idea of Evil]] Evil and the 27 True Runes). And @#!*% , both bear a striking resemblance to each other. And while we're at it, Georg tends to wear an eyepatch over his right eye, despite it still being fully functional. Perhaps this could be telling: either Guts has been fooling everyone all this time and his own right eye is still good, or Georg seems to share some kind of connection (or possibly memories) to his Midland counterpart and acts accordingly. Perhaps ''Suikoden'' does not take place in an alternate universe, but in the exact same universe as ''Berserk'', in the distant future, with Georg being a reincarnation of Guts!



With recent developments such as the return of supernatural creatures to the world, such as unicorns, Guts may very well have a chance to kill a dragon [[spoiler: a real one, not just a dragon-like apostle like Grunbeld. We even see a dragon sitting on a castle at one point]].

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With recent developments such as the return of supernatural creatures to the world, such as unicorns, Guts may very well have a chance to kill a dragon [[spoiler: a real one, not just a dragon-like apostle like Grunbeld. We even see a dragon sitting on a castle at one point]].point.



* {{Jossed}}. She ''is'' [[spoiler: a mermaid]], but she's still shown fleeing the tentacles after that transformation.

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* {{Jossed}}. She ''is'' [[spoiler: a mermaid]], mermaid, but she's still shown fleeing the tentacles after that transformation.



Deep breath, folks, this is going to be a long one: as those who have read [[MissingEpisode chapter 83]] (or have [[SpoilerHound highlighted the spoilers]] on enough "Berserk" pages) know, [[spoiler: the BigBad of the Berserk world is "the Idea of Evil," which was created because enough people subconsciously wanted a justification for their suffering. Unable to accept that [[RealLife sometimes @#!*% just happens]], they believed there had to be some kind of cosmic justice behind it, so much so that [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve that it actually happened]]. But since most suffering is decidedly undeserved, said cosmic justice was [[MadeOfEvil completely utterly evil]] and only worked to [[ViciousCycle perpetuate human suffering even more so that its existence can be maintained.]]]]

(And since none of the rest of this is going to make sense unless you know all that, you might as well highlight the spoilers.)

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Deep breath, folks, this is going to be a long one: as those who have read [[MissingEpisode chapter 83]] (or have [[SpoilerHound highlighted the spoilers]] on enough "Berserk" pages) know, [[spoiler: the BigBad of the Berserk world is "the Idea of Evil," which was created because enough people subconsciously wanted a justification for their suffering. Unable to accept that [[RealLife sometimes @#!*% just happens]], they believed there had to be some kind of cosmic justice behind it, so much so that [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve that it actually happened]]. But since most suffering is decidedly undeserved, said cosmic justice was [[MadeOfEvil completely utterly evil]] and only worked to [[ViciousCycle perpetuate human suffering even more so that its existence can be maintained.]]]]

(And since none of the rest of this is going to make sense unless you know all that, you might as well highlight the spoilers.)
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And it seems to be working. Guts keeps surviving cosmic disasters and battles with @#!*% that kill everyone else around him, all without any [[BadassNormal super]][[CharlesAtlasSuperPower powers]] ([[spoiler: at least until he dons the Berserker armor, although that's been as much a hindrance as a help]]). ''And'' he's gaining followers who admire his attitude and want to emulate him.

Here's where the theory comes in. If the universe truly [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve conforms itself to match the human subconscious]], well, Guts has introduced a new idea into the mix. He's established the idea of rejecting fatalism, of not needing a God to explain away everything, of hope and determination in the face of absolute despair. Now that [[spoiler: Griffith has torn down the wall between the Astral Plan and the material world]], the power of human minds on reality is probably going to increase. Guts will gain more and more followers as the series continues as people grow wise to Griffith's [[DarkMessiah true nature]] starts to become apparent. As he continues to defeat the forces of evil when it is [[BeyondTheImpossible shouldn't even be remotely possible]], more and more people will realize his is the better way. Finally, enough people will come to believe what Guts does that they will create a new force in the universe, an [[GodIsGood Idea of Good]] that will triumph over the [[GodIsEvil Idea of Evil]], since it will no longer have [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly enough followers to maintain its existence]].

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And it seems to be working. Guts keeps surviving cosmic disasters and battles with @#!*% that kill everyone else around him, all without any [[BadassNormal super]][[CharlesAtlasSuperPower powers]] ([[spoiler: at (at least until he dons the Berserker armor, although that's been as much a hindrance as a help]]).help). ''And'' he's gaining followers who admire his attitude and want to emulate him.

Here's where the theory comes in. If the universe truly [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve conforms itself to match the human subconscious]], well, Guts has introduced a new idea into the mix. He's established the idea of rejecting fatalism, of not needing a God to explain away everything, of hope and determination in the face of absolute despair. Now that [[spoiler: Griffith has torn down the wall between the Astral Plan and the material world]], world, the power of human minds on reality is probably going to increase. Guts will gain more and more followers as the series continues as people grow wise to Griffith's [[DarkMessiah true nature]] starts to become apparent. As he continues to defeat the forces of evil when it is [[BeyondTheImpossible shouldn't even be remotely possible]], more and more people will realize his is the better way. Finally, enough people will come to believe what Guts does that they will create a new force in the universe, an [[GodIsGood Idea of Good]] that will triumph over the [[GodIsEvil Idea of Evil]], since it will no longer have [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly enough followers to maintain its existence]].



[[WMG: The giant tree is [[spoiler: the idea of evil]]]]
[[spoiler: Now that the astral plane and the normal one are merged, the Idea of Evil has to manifest somewhere and that tree is the only thing big enough to be it.]]

[[WMG: [[spoiler: Griffith's merging of the planes will backfire spectacularly.]]]]
* We know that being in between the spiritual plane and the physical one means that your spirit can influence your physical self and improve your abilities (see Shierke's speculation about the source of Gut's strength when they're fighting the Trolls near the church), this will be massively amplified by [[spoiler: the fusion of the planes.]]

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[[WMG: The giant tree is [[spoiler: the idea of evil]]]]
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evil]]
Now that the astral plane and the normal one are merged, the Idea of Evil has to manifest somewhere and that tree is the only thing big enough to be it.]]

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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Griffith's merging of the planes will backfire spectacularly.]]]]
* We know that being in between the spiritual plane and the physical one means that your spirit can influence your physical self and improve your abilities (see Shierke's speculation about the source of Gut's strength when they're fighting the Trolls near the church), this will be massively amplified by [[spoiler: the fusion of the planes.
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* We know that being in between the spiritual plane and the physical one means that your spirit can influence your physical self and improve your abilities (see Shierke's speculation about the source of Gut's strength when they're fighting the Trolls near the church), this will be massively amplified by the fusion of the planes.



Now that [[spoiler: the Godhand can apparently freely manifest in the physical world]] what do you think the odds are that they'll immediately eliminate the guy who has been a thorn in their side for thousands of years?

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Now that [[spoiler: the Godhand can apparently freely manifest in the physical world]] world what do you think the odds are that they'll immediately eliminate the guy who has been a thorn in their side for thousands of years?



While we are yet to hear Griffith's official reason for doing so, it is best assumed that he, in Femto form, raped Casca in order spite Guts. This little troper, after coming across a useful essay [[http://www.angelfire.com/nj/niniane/griffitheclipse.html here]], thought about the possibility that Griffith may have raped Casca in order to "reclaim her", which can also go under the "Spite Guts" category but on a different level. Just thinking about how Griffith acted toward Guts with the whole, "[[HoYay you belong to me now]]" deal and how he very clearly did not like it when his "property" defied him, he might have thought this way about Casca as well, even though Griffith had no romantic implications toward her and had no physical relationship with her [[spoiler: but it was insinuated in a vision before the Eclipse that Griffith probably kept Casca around as a third wheel love interest in case his plans with Princess Charlotte did not go accordingly, so perhaps he always felt confident that Casca would always be there for him to fall back on]]. After seeing that she couldn't be his sword or his lover, Casca finally turns her attentions toward Guts... And it was noted that seeing Guts and Casca in love was what finally triggered Griffith to activate his Behelit. Griffith isn't dumb: he knows what loving couples do in their spare time. So not only has Guts surpassed him in skill and has practically taken his place among the Band of the Hawk, but he also took Casca away emotionally, and what's worse - he defiled ''his'' property. It didn't really matter if he actually had any romantic feelings toward Casca or not. Griffith cannot have this. So when the Eclipse goes down, Griffith, now Femto, decides to show Guts that Casca, her body and being, belonged to him '''and only him''' , showing it in the cruelest, most hideous sort of way.

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While we are yet to hear Griffith's official reason for doing so, it is best assumed that he, in Femto form, raped Casca in order spite Guts. This little troper, after coming across a useful essay [[http://www.angelfire.com/nj/niniane/griffitheclipse.html here]], thought about the possibility that Griffith may have raped Casca in order to "reclaim her", which can also go under the "Spite Guts" category but on a different level. Just thinking about how Griffith acted toward Guts with the whole, "[[HoYay you belong to me now]]" deal and how he very clearly did not like it when his "property" defied him, he might have thought this way about Casca as well, even though Griffith had no romantic implications toward her and had no physical relationship with her [[spoiler: but it was insinuated in a vision before the Eclipse that Griffith probably kept Casca around as a third wheel love interest in case his plans with Princess Charlotte did not go accordingly, so perhaps he always felt confident that Casca would always be there for him to fall back on]].on. After seeing that she couldn't be his sword or his lover, Casca finally turns her attentions toward Guts... And it was noted that seeing Guts and Casca in love was what finally triggered Griffith to activate his Behelit. Griffith isn't dumb: he knows what loving couples do in their spare time. So not only has Guts surpassed him in skill and has practically taken his place among the Band of the Hawk, but he also took Casca away emotionally, and what's worse - he defiled ''his'' property. It didn't really matter if he actually had any romantic feelings toward Casca or not. Griffith cannot have this. So when the Eclipse goes down, Griffith, now Femto, decides to show Guts that Casca, her body and being, belonged to him '''and only him''' , showing it in the cruelest, most hideous sort of way.



Berserk scholars know about the missing chapter with [[spoiler: the Idea of evil. It's very existense is based on humanities need to have a reason for all their suffering. And the more suffering there is, the stronger it logically becomes.]] The God Hand draws all it's power directly from that source too and they only have gotten more invincible when the world sunk away into hell. Humanity is helpless against it, because it is completely oblivious to the true nature of the universe. So if Guts wants to win against such a foe, he only has one possible way to do it: Inspiring the people to be more badass and rejecting fatalism. He already did that to several characters before, but it didn't have any effect yet because it was only on a small scale. If Guts where to do something that caused Griffith's pretty facade to fall off in a sufficiently epic way wile the intire world is watching, the God Hand might suddenly start to weaken. Not enough to render them powerless, but enough for Guts to finally fight on a more equal footing likely allowing him to finally strike a blow against Griffith/Femto. And when more people see that God-on-Earth Griffith is not only a loathsome devil in disguise but that he can bleed after all, the massive flood of [[HotBlooded hot blood]] will become unstoppable and gradually drain the powers of [[spoiler: the Idea of evil]] away. And then you will see some payback like you never saw before...

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Berserk scholars know about the missing chapter with [[spoiler: the Idea of evil. It's very existense is based on humanities need to have a reason for all their suffering. And the more suffering there is, the stronger it logically becomes.]] The God Hand draws all it's power directly from that source too and they only have gotten more invincible when the world sunk away into hell. Humanity is helpless against it, because it is completely oblivious to the true nature of the universe. So if Guts wants to win against such a foe, he only has one possible way to do it: Inspiring the people to be more badass and rejecting fatalism. He already did that to several characters before, but it didn't have any effect yet because it was only on a small scale. If Guts where to do something that caused Griffith's pretty facade to fall off in a sufficiently epic way wile the intire world is watching, the God Hand might suddenly start to weaken. Not enough to render them powerless, but enough for Guts to finally fight on a more equal footing likely allowing him to finally strike a blow against Griffith/Femto. And when more people see that God-on-Earth Griffith is not only a loathsome devil in disguise but that he can bleed after all, the massive flood of [[HotBlooded hot blood]] will become unstoppable and gradually drain the powers of [[spoiler: the Idea of evil]] evil away. And then you will see some payback like you never saw before...



And that's my theory, which hopefully encompasses the fact that Casca protected Guts (from himself) and that Guts gave the scar to her himself. [[spoiler: I had better not see this on Fanfiction dot net.]]

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And that's my theory, which hopefully encompasses the fact that Casca protected Guts (from himself) and that Guts gave the scar to her himself. [[spoiler: I had better not see this on Fanfiction dot net.]]
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** Said arch nemeses have [[{{Yandere}} an unhealthy relationship to them]] to the point where [[spoiler: both are thinking about the object of their obsession ''while they're having sex with women.'']]
* Unfortunate enough to have to [[ForcedToWatch helplessly witness]] the [[spoiler: rapes of the women they love, enacted by said arch nemeses [[ForTheEvulz just to piss them off.]]]]

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** Said arch nemeses have [[{{Yandere}} an unhealthy relationship to them]] to the point where [[spoiler: both are thinking about the object of their obsession ''while they're having sex with women.'']]
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* Unfortunate enough to have to [[ForcedToWatch helplessly witness]] the [[spoiler: rapes of the women they love, enacted by said arch nemeses [[ForTheEvulz just to piss them off.]]]]]]



* [[spoiler: Missing their left arm in the midst of protecting their love interest.]]

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* [[spoiler: Missing their left arm in the midst of protecting their love interest.]]
interest.



[[spoiler:The Idea of Evil]] apparently exists as an explanation for why there's suffering, and the Godhand claims that [[BecauseDestinySaysSo they're following destiny]], but beyond Void and maybe Femto, do you really think they're entering the MoralEventHorizon Olympics simply because destiny/we need to explain why Midland is [[CrapsackWorld Midland?]] While the former may go to explain why they're turning the world [[CrapsackWorld crapsack]], it doesn't justify their means(using [[DespairEventHorizon vulnerable and broken people]] as [[OurDemonsAreDifferent evil incarnate]] instead of just using the plentiful amount of ordinary scum). Its more likely that they're simply making Midland miserable [[ForTheEvulz because they want to]], and the whole [[spoiler:[[GodOfEvil Idea Of Evil]]]] ordeal simply helps. They target people hitting [[DespairEventHorizon the Nietzchean Abyss]] not just because they want both their servants and enemies to be miserable, but turn desperate people [[MoralEventHorizon into monsters]] since [[CardCarryingVillain they plain hate decency]].


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[[spoiler:The The Idea of Evil]] Evil apparently exists as an explanation for why there's suffering, and the Godhand claims that [[BecauseDestinySaysSo they're following destiny]], but beyond Void and maybe Femto, do you really think they're entering the MoralEventHorizon Olympics simply because destiny/we need to explain why Midland is [[CrapsackWorld Midland?]] While the former may go to explain why they're turning the world [[CrapsackWorld crapsack]], it doesn't justify their means(using [[DespairEventHorizon vulnerable and broken people]] as [[OurDemonsAreDifferent evil incarnate]] instead of just using the plentiful amount of ordinary scum). Its more likely that they're simply making Midland miserable [[ForTheEvulz because they want to]], and the whole [[spoiler:[[GodOfEvil [[GodOfEvil Idea Of Evil]]]] Evil]] ordeal simply helps. They target people hitting [[DespairEventHorizon the Nietzchean Abyss]] not just because they want both their servants and enemies to be miserable, but turn desperate people [[MoralEventHorizon into monsters]] since [[CardCarryingVillain they plain hate decency]].




*** It's the same reason why people called bullshit when [[spoiler:Aizen]] was revealed to be LonelyAtTheTop.

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*** It's the same reason why people called bullshit when [[spoiler:Aizen]] in ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' was revealed to be LonelyAtTheTop.



I believe that's where Griffith got very desperate, so much so that he contorted his original depiction of Casca. She wasn't just his mascot anymore, but a woman, a desirable woman. And alas, in order to cement his feelings toward her, he'd have to physically consummate that relationship. [[spoiler: Of course you can make this 10x more creepy by saying that by having sex with Casca, Griffith would be having sex with the Band of the Hawk, the thing he loved the most. It's kinda like how priests of some religions would have sex with the temple maidens of a certain goddess in order to have symbolic sex with that goddess. Yeahhhh...]] Enter the wagon scene, where it's heavily implied that Griffith was trying to rape Casca in vain. She knew that Griffith would pose no threat to her in his state, but the gesture disturbed her regardless and she reacted with fear and defiance. To be honest, whether Griffith was even a bit physically capable or if if he was trying to seduce her under consensual circumstances, I think Casca would have still rejected his advances. And that's the key to this scenario under any circumstance: '''Casca rejected Griffith''', cementing her fidelity toward Guts. This was a big blow to Griffith, since she would never have denied him in the past.

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I believe that's where Griffith got very desperate, so much so that he contorted his original depiction of Casca. She wasn't just his mascot anymore, but a woman, a desirable woman. And alas, in order to cement his feelings toward her, he'd have to physically consummate that relationship. [[spoiler: Of course you can make this 10x more creepy by saying that by having sex with Casca, Griffith would be having sex with the Band of the Hawk, the thing he loved the most. It's kinda like how priests of some religions would have sex with the temple maidens of a certain goddess in order to have symbolic sex with that goddess. Yeahhhh...]] Enter the wagon scene, where it's heavily implied that Griffith was trying to rape Casca in vain. She knew that Griffith would pose no threat to her in his state, but the gesture disturbed her regardless and she reacted with fear and defiance. To be honest, whether Griffith was even a bit physically capable or if if he was trying to seduce her under consensual circumstances, I think Casca would have still rejected his advances. And that's the key to this scenario under any circumstance: '''Casca rejected Griffith''', cementing her fidelity toward Guts. This was a big blow to Griffith, since she would never have denied him in the past.



Even though he might never had planned on being with her as a woman despite how much she wanted to be with him at one point, and that she wasn’t his greatest champion at arms, Griffith knew that Casca would always have his back on his journey toward his goal, and she would always be a reminder of how unstoppable he was with achieving his dream, always placing him on the highest pedestal. But now, she was only with him because he was weak and pitiful, and if he wasn’t in that condition, she would have left him. No matter how much she loved them, Casca saw a life outside of Griffith and the Band of the Hawk; soon, they would no longer be her top priority. Even if she was still physically with Griffith and the Hawks, her heart was somewhere else: with Guts [[spoiler: Not to mention that in hindsight, Casca was pregnant, and if Griffith had not activated the crimson behelit and Casca stayed behind (or, if he didn’t activate the behelit at that point in time), her top priority would have been to her child, and the child would have always been a lingering reminder of Guts.]] She was no longer the Heart of the Hawks, and Griffith’s lifeline was severed. His dream was over.

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Even though he might never had planned on being with her as a woman despite how much she wanted to be with him at one point, and that she wasn’t his greatest champion at arms, Griffith knew that Casca would always have his back on his journey toward his goal, and she would always be a reminder of how unstoppable he was with achieving his dream, always placing him on the highest pedestal. But now, she was only with him because he was weak and pitiful, and if he wasn’t in that condition, she would have left him. No matter how much she loved them, Casca saw a life outside of Griffith and the Band of the Hawk; soon, they would no longer be her top priority. Even if she was still physically with Griffith and the Hawks, her heart was somewhere else: with Guts [[spoiler: Guts. Not to mention that in hindsight, Casca was pregnant, and if Griffith had not activated the crimson behelit and Casca stayed behind (or, if he didn’t activate the behelit at that point in time), her top priority would have been to her child, and the child would have always been a lingering reminder of Guts.]] Guts. She was no longer the Heart of the Hawks, and Griffith’s lifeline was severed. His dream was over.



[[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]] is essentially a construct born of human desire, using causality to enact its will on the universe according to its purpose... but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's self-aware enough to fully understand the consciousness that made it, or what aspects of human desire is being fulfilled by its actions. Casca didn't just lose her mind due to the horrible trauma of what was done to her and what she witnessed, but also because she came into direct and nightmarishly intimate contact with a creature whose entire existence was foreordained while Guts, the other most important person in the universe, was watching and unable to help. In other words, she became the literal breaking point between Griffith's and Guts' respective threads in the tapestry, and she herself shattered accordingly.

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[[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]] Evil is essentially a construct born of human desire, using causality to enact its will on the universe according to its purpose... but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's self-aware enough to fully understand the consciousness that made it, or what aspects of human desire is being fulfilled by its actions. Casca didn't just lose her mind due to the horrible trauma of what was done to her and what she witnessed, but also because she came into direct and nightmarishly intimate contact with a creature whose entire existence was foreordained while Guts, the other most important person in the universe, was watching and unable to help. In other words, she became the literal breaking point between Griffith's and Guts' respective threads in the tapestry, and she herself shattered accordingly.



[[WMG:Guts is unknowingly being aided by [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]]]]
Think about it. The very purpose reason [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]] exists is just to cause humans to suffer. Now, going back to the initial story arcs of Berserk,excluding Golden Age and ending at the Tower of Conviction, Guts has pretty much been [[HeroWithBadPublicity vilified by the people he ended up saving]]. Now, if I was the embodiment of humanity's evil, I'd see potential in Guts and manipulate ''everyone'' for the sake of spurning mankind to suffer more. Hence why it allowed Griffith to go against its purpose and become [[MessianicArchetype a messiah]] to the people. For the sole purpose of having the Falcon of Light (and probably the rest of Femto's fellow demons) be struck down in front of his followers and let the world plummet into despair.

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[[WMG:Guts is unknowingly being aided by [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]]]]
Evil]]
Think about it. The very purpose reason [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]] Evil exists is just to cause humans to suffer. Now, going back to the initial story arcs of Berserk,excluding Golden Age and ending at the Tower of Conviction, Guts has pretty much been [[HeroWithBadPublicity vilified by the people he ended up saving]]. Now, if I was the embodiment of humanity's evil, I'd see potential in Guts and manipulate ''everyone'' for the sake of spurning mankind to suffer more. Hence why it allowed Griffith to go against its purpose and become [[MessianicArchetype a messiah]] to the people. For the sole purpose of having the Falcon of Light (and probably the rest of Femto's fellow demons) be struck down in front of his followers and let the world plummet into despair.



[[spoiler:As per the Idea of Evil]], the Godhand's purpose is to provide a reason for the pain and despair in the world while [[HopeCrusher enforcing it]]. In general, they seemed content with enforcing a ViciousCycle. Griffith, however, is different; he actively changed the world, and serves to be an agent of hope and [[DarkMessiah a messiah]]. Of course this is entirely PragmaticVillainy, since even before the Eclipse [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans he didn't give a damn about making a better world]] and has devastated most of it to force people into his GildedCage of Falconia. [[AmbitionIsEvil He is defined by his ambition]], so why would he want to stop at being a Godhand? And I doubt he'd want to be anything less than superior to ''everyone'', including the Godhand and [[spoiler:The Idea of Evil (in fact, he'd probably take offense at being subservient to that or fate)]].

Now that he's established Falconia, the Hawk of Light is biding his time so as to ascend past even a Godhand and [[AGodAmI become a true god]]. To do so, he needs to alter the very nature of the world which he does by fusing the astral and physical planes, all to reach greater heights until there is nowhere left to rise, [[GalacticConqueror however far]] [[DimensionLord that may]] [[MultiversalConqueror be]]. There are a number of possibilities; I think the most likely is that [[spoiler:as he knows [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve the nature of the Idea of Evil]], he hopes to use his followers, the power of their worship empowered by the fusion of planes, to become an idea god and the ultimate DarkMessiah]]. Maybe he wishes to manipulate the World Tree to reach greater heights. Either way, he plans to change the game and become the unparalleled power.

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[[spoiler:As As per the Idea of Evil]], Evil, the Godhand's purpose is to provide a reason for the pain and despair in the world while [[HopeCrusher enforcing it]]. In general, they seemed content with enforcing a ViciousCycle. Griffith, however, is different; he actively changed the world, and serves to be an agent of hope and [[DarkMessiah a messiah]]. Of course this is entirely PragmaticVillainy, since even before the Eclipse [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans he didn't give a damn about making a better world]] and has devastated most of it to force people into his GildedCage of Falconia. [[AmbitionIsEvil He is defined by his ambition]], so why would he want to stop at being a Godhand? And I doubt he'd want to be anything less than superior to ''everyone'', including the Godhand and [[spoiler:The The Idea of Evil (in fact, he'd probably take offense at being subservient to that or fate)]].

fate).

Now that he's established Falconia, the Hawk of Light is biding his time so as to ascend past even a Godhand and [[AGodAmI become a true god]]. To do so, he needs to alter the very nature of the world which he does by fusing the astral and physical planes, all to reach greater heights until there is nowhere left to rise, [[GalacticConqueror however far]] [[DimensionLord that may]] [[MultiversalConqueror be]]. There are a number of possibilities; I think the most likely is that [[spoiler:as as he knows [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve the nature of the Idea of Evil]], Evil, he hopes to use his followers, the power of their worship empowered by the fusion of planes, to become an idea god and the ultimate DarkMessiah]]. Maybe he wishes to manipulate the World Tree to reach greater heights. Either way, he plans to change the game and become the unparalleled power.



While Guts and Casca have gained their revenge, it will be a BittersweetEnding. Though members of the Godhand may be slain, there will be at least one member who survives like was implied last time during the reign of Emperor Gaiseric. The world will take centuries to recover from the changes done to it. [[spoiler:The Idea of Evil will still exist, and may continue to exist in some form [[AsLongAsThereIsEvil so long as people desire a reason for their suffering]] ]]. But Griffith's own actions have permanently changed the status quo, allowing [[ScrewDestiny the cruel hand of causality to weaken its grasp]]. Ironically his act of benevolence will allow real good to come about and lessen the Godhand and Apostles' grips, either increasing the supernatural forces who wish to better the world or even forging a new god who represents hope and the desire for a better world. [[spoiler:An antithesis to the Idea of Evil, a god to [[DevilButNoGod its devil]] ]]. A better world.

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While Guts and Casca have gained their revenge, it will be a BittersweetEnding. Though members of the Godhand may be slain, there will be at least one member who survives like was implied last time during the reign of Emperor Gaiseric. The world will take centuries to recover from the changes done to it. [[spoiler:The The Idea of Evil will still exist, and may continue to exist in some form [[AsLongAsThereIsEvil so long as people desire a reason for their suffering]] ]].suffering]]. But Griffith's own actions have permanently changed the status quo, allowing [[ScrewDestiny the cruel hand of causality to weaken its grasp]]. Ironically his act of benevolence will allow real good to come about and lessen the Godhand and Apostles' grips, either increasing the supernatural forces who wish to better the world or even forging a new god who represents hope and the desire for a better world. [[spoiler:An An antithesis to the Idea of Evil, a god to [[DevilButNoGod its devil]] ]].devil]]. A better world.



This isn't a coincidence. Just as the [[spoiler: Idea of Evil is a perversion of humanity's desire for its suffering to be meaningful]], Behelits are a perversion of humanity's desire for a world where villains meet terrible ends.

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This isn't a coincidence. Just as the [[spoiler: Idea of Evil is a perversion of humanity's desire for its suffering to be meaningful]], meaningful, Behelits are a perversion of humanity's desire for a world where villains meet terrible ends.
20th Aug '17 1:00:31 AM Hirouakan
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This isn't a coincidence. Just as the [[spoiler: Idea of Evil is a perversion of humanity's desire for its suffering to be meaningful]], Behelits are a perversion of humanity's desire for a world where villains meet terrible ends.

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This isn't a coincidence. Just as the [[spoiler: Idea of Evil is a perversion of humanity's desire for its suffering to be meaningful]], Behelits are a perversion of humanity's desire for a world where villains meet terrible ends.ends.

[[WMG: Berserk is intentionally becoming lighter in tone because the Idea of Good is growing.]]
Considering the theories that Guts is (unknowingly) creating or strengthening it: Miura is gradually lighting the tone of the series as a reflection that the Idea of Good is becoming real as Guts (and maybe, to some extent, Rickert) defy fate and gather more "followers". And perhaps its existence somehow affects or is affected by, but not exclusively, Guts' perception of life, as he seems more hopeful and okay about it in recent chapters.
7th Aug '17 5:41:40 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Hmm. No. Miura doesn't care if a baby is killed on-panel for petty reasons or in a massacre. There is no InfantImmortality in ''{{Manga/Berserk}}''. Plus, the baby itself was used for the reincarnation of Griffith/Femto, a demon lord. So no, it doesn't work. Given the setting and how high and indiscriminate the death toll of ''Berserk'' is, it's highly doubtful Miura wants to make an "anti-choice" statement. Plus, there's absolutely no proof that the child is "purged of corruption" since it only appears sporadically.

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** Hmm. No. Miura doesn't care if a baby is killed on-panel for petty reasons or in a massacre. There is no InfantImmortality in ''{{Manga/Berserk}}''. Plus, the baby itself was used for the reincarnation of Griffith/Femto, a demon lord. So no, it doesn't work. Given the setting and how high and indiscriminate the death toll of ''Berserk'' is, it's highly doubtful Miura wants to make an "anti-choice" statement. Plus, there's absolutely no proof that the child is "purged of corruption" since it only appears sporadically.
24th Jun '17 5:38:11 PM DeadpanOkapine
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Casca, her memories and herself restored, ends up performing a HeroicSacrifice once it all is lost (Thinking that Guts have been killed by Femto during the final confrontation, for example), uses the Behelit and it's revealed that she still cherish and treasure Griffith above anyone and anything else, essentially branding ''him'' as a sacrifice as Casca crosses the MoralEventHorizon and as fate and consequence dictates, have Femto torn apart by her apostle-form and his soul dragged off to hell forever to complete the sacrifice, leaving a much weaker and killable monster behind for Guts to finish off than the {{Omnipotent}} humanoid eldritch abomination that's Femto. Pure poetic justice, as not even the Godhand are above the casualty of fate, turning this into a beautiful case of poetic justice and karma towards Griffith, considering what he did to her during the Eclipse.

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Casca, her memories and herself restored, ends up performing a HeroicSacrifice once it all is lost (Thinking that Guts have been killed by Femto during the final confrontation, for example), uses the Behelit and it's revealed that she still cherish and treasure Griffith above anyone and anything else, essentially branding ''him'' as a sacrifice as Casca crosses the MoralEventHorizon and as fate and consequence dictates, have Femto torn apart by her apostle-form and his soul dragged off to hell forever to complete the sacrifice, leaving a much weaker and killable monster behind for Guts to finish off than the {{Omnipotent}} humanoid eldritch abomination that's Femto. Pure poetic justice, as not even the Godhand are above the casualty of fate, turning this into a beautiful case of poetic justice and karma towards Griffith, considering what he did to her during the Eclipse.Eclipse.

[[WMG: There already is an Idea of Good...]]
...specifically, the Behelits.
No, seriously.
Behelits find their way into the hands of people who suffer, and grant them great power. This power is usually used to destroy the source of that person's suffering. In other words, Apostles follow the standard path of a hero in other stories.
This isn't a coincidence. Just as the [[spoiler: Idea of Evil is a perversion of humanity's desire for its suffering to be meaningful]], Behelits are a perversion of humanity's desire for a world where villains meet terrible ends.
14th Jun '17 12:32:32 AM jormis29
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[[WMG:Berserk takes place in [[{{Exalted}} Creation]].]]

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[[WMG:Berserk takes place in [[{{Exalted}} [[TabletopGame/{{Exalted}} Creation]].]]
31st May '17 11:53:55 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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[[FounderOfTheKingdom Guts forms his own group of apostle hunters and eventually becomes king.]] [[RightfulQueenReturns Casca is a long-lost Bakiraka princess.]] They both love each other a lot.

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[[FounderOfTheKingdom Guts forms his own group of apostle hunters and eventually becomes king.]] [[RightfulQueenReturns [[RightfulKingReturns Casca is a long-lost Bakiraka princess.]] They both love each other a lot.



* Given [[MrFanservice this is Guts we're talking about]], Zodd was probably [[WasOnceQuiteALooker pretty fine before becoming a demon.]]

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* Given [[MrFanservice this is Guts Guts]] [[{{Hunk}} we're talking about]], Zodd was probably [[WasOnceQuiteALooker [[IWasQuiteALooker pretty fine before becoming a demon.]]



[[spoiler:As per the Idea of Evil]], the Godhand's purpose is to provide a reason for the pain and despair in the world while [[HopeCrusher enforcing it]]. In general, they seemed content with enforcing a ViciousCycle. Griffith, however, is different; he actively changed the world, and serves to be an agent of hope and [[DarkMessiah a messiah]]. Of course this is entirely PragmaticVillainy, since even before the Eclipse [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans he didn't give a damn about making a better world]] and has devastated most of it to force people into his GildedCage of Falconia. [[AmbitionsIsEvil He is defined by his ambition]], so why would he want to stop at being a Godhand? And I doubt he'd want to be anything less than superior to ''everyone'', including the Godhand and [[spoiler:The Idea of Evil (in fact, he'd probably take offense at being subservient to that or fate)]].

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[[spoiler:As per the Idea of Evil]], the Godhand's purpose is to provide a reason for the pain and despair in the world while [[HopeCrusher enforcing it]]. In general, they seemed content with enforcing a ViciousCycle. Griffith, however, is different; he actively changed the world, and serves to be an agent of hope and [[DarkMessiah a messiah]]. Of course this is entirely PragmaticVillainy, since even before the Eclipse [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans he didn't give a damn about making a better world]] and has devastated most of it to force people into his GildedCage of Falconia. [[AmbitionsIsEvil [[AmbitionIsEvil He is defined by his ambition]], so why would he want to stop at being a Godhand? And I doubt he'd want to be anything less than superior to ''everyone'', including the Godhand and [[spoiler:The Idea of Evil (in fact, he'd probably take offense at being subservient to that or fate)]].
31st May '17 11:31:21 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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[[WMG: The four God Hands (excluding Femto) will be killed by Guts [[AntiClimaxBoss within the space of a fewpanels]] ]]

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[[WMG: The four God Hands (excluding Femto) will be killed by Guts [[AntiClimaxBoss within the space of a fewpanels]] few panels]] ]]



*** Going on this, the Godhand are trying to break Miura. Why? If they can bring him to the DespairEventHorizon, Miura will probably not bother with any happy ending, and end the series [[DownerEnding with the Godhand winning and everyone in Hell]]. [[NightmareFuel And Femto is enjoying every second of it.]]


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*** Going on this, the Godhand are trying to break [[CreatorBreakdown break]] Miura. Why? If they can bring him to the DespairEventHorizon, Miura will probably not bother with any happy ending, and end the series [[DownerEnding with the Godhand winning and everyone in Hell]]. [[NightmareFuel And Femto is enjoying every second of it.]]

31st May '17 11:21:22 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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* Theorem A: When Guts & Co. reach the realm of the elves, everything will degenerate into a 90's shounen anime, with everything that it entails: TotallyRadical dialogue, easy BlackAndWhiteMorality, lots of comedy (down to swear drops and similar super deformed "expressions) and lots of perversion that is taken in comedic lightness (which, based on the manga's history, will just be in pure poor taste). Likeliness: exceptionally high, because Berserk was originally conceived as a shounen.
* Theorem B: Just when Guts prepares to final blow, everyone will just get bored and leave the set. It's revealed that everyone is actually a fench stereotype, walking around in Paris with those stereotypical hats and striped clothes and eating cheese. Likeliness: also exceptionally high, since Midland is based on medieval France.

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* Theorem A: When Guts & Co. reach the realm of the elves, everything will degenerate into a 90's shounen anime, with everything that it entails: TotallyRadical dialogue, easy BlackAndWhiteMorality, lots of comedy (down to swear sweat drops and similar super deformed "expressions) and lots of perversion that is taken in comedic lightness (which, based on the manga's history, will just be in pure poor taste). Likeliness: exceptionally high, because Berserk was originally conceived as a shounen.
* Theorem B: Just when Guts prepares to final blow, everyone will just get bored and leave the set. It's revealed that everyone is actually a fench French stereotype, walking around in Paris with those stereotypical hats and striped clothes and eating cheese. Likeliness: also exceptionally high, since Midland is based on medieval France.
12th May '17 4:48:17 PM TheBigBopper
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[[WMG: Caska will regain her mind, but she's gonna [[CameBackWrong Come Back Wrong]]...]]

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[[WMG: Caska Casca will regain her mind, but she's gonna [[CameBackWrong Come Back Wrong]]...]]



*** I always figured they were in a PowerTrio with Void, not unlike Guts, Caska and Griffith.

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*** I always figured they were in a PowerTrio with Void, not unlike Guts, Caska Casca and Griffith.



Caska will regain her memory but also understand from Farnese taking care of her and talking to her that she is in love with Guts and offers to share with her. The three adopt Jill and then meet up with Luca, depending on Schierke's relationship with Isidro she may end up being Guts' lover when she becomes an adult.

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Caska Casca will regain her memory but also understand from Farnese taking care of her and talking to her that she is in love with Guts and offers to share with her. The three adopt Jill and then meet up with Luca, depending on Schierke's relationship with Isidro she may end up being Guts' lover when she becomes an adult.



** I always figured he would use the behelit, under the Berserker Armour's influence, sacrifice Caska, kill Griffith, and live happily ever after with Schierke.

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** I always figured he would use the behelit, under the Berserker Armour's influence, sacrifice Caska, Casca, kill Griffith, and live happily ever after with Schierke.



*** Plus, sacrificing a woman he's practically married to and then running off another person who was a little girl when they first met? [[SarcasmMode Really, that's DEFINITELY not so many kinds of outrageously wrong and out of character.]] Plus, it's obvious Ishidro is the Guts to Schierke's Caska; trust me, she's far more likely to end up with him provided neither get killed.

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*** Plus, sacrificing a woman he's practically married to and then running off another person who was a little girl when they first met? [[SarcasmMode Really, that's DEFINITELY not so many kinds of outrageously wrong and out of character.]] Plus, it's obvious Ishidro is the Guts to Schierke's Caska; Casca; trust me, she's far more likely to end up with him provided neither get killed.



* Why would the Lord of elves need to protect Caska so badly?! And why wouldn't Puck or Evarella recognize him? Also he (the child) has no wings.

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* Why would the Lord of elves need to protect Caska Casca so badly?! And why wouldn't Puck or Evarella recognize him? Also he (the child) has no wings.



* Or at least he will be swayed by Caska instead of Guts. Note, we already seen that he reflexively shielded Caska from a debris once.

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* Or at least he will be swayed by Caska Casca instead of Guts. Note, we already seen that he reflexively shielded Caska Casca from a debris once.



[[WMG:The mysterious child is the soul of the Caska and Guts' child.]]

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[[WMG:The mysterious child is the soul of the Caska Casca and Guts' child.]]



Shortly after he was reborn with The Child's flesh, he visited Rickert and Guts to see if there's any reaction to them. While he initially felt nothing, he felt a reaction when Guts fought Zodd, and later protected Caska from a bunch of falling rocks. Seeing how he wishes to be 'free', he could have found a way to seperate those parts of the Child which still has feelings for his parents, keeping only those he needs.

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Shortly after he was reborn with The Child's flesh, he visited Rickert and Guts to see if there's any reaction to them. While he initially felt nothing, he felt a reaction when Guts fought Zodd, and later protected Caska Casca from a bunch of falling rocks. Seeing how he wishes to be 'free', he could have found a way to seperate those parts of the Child which still has feelings for his parents, keeping only those he needs.



...It's for Caska, and the moment she regains everything that had shattered within her, she'll not be able to cope with it and use it (as it finds its way to her) as a last effort to escape it all. Alternatively...

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...It's for Caska, Casca, and the moment she regains everything that had shattered within her, she'll not be able to cope with it and use it (as it finds its way to her) as a last effort to escape it all. Alternatively...



Caska, her memories and herself restored, ends up performing a HeroicSacrifice once it all is lost (Thinking that Guts have been killed by Femto during the final confrontation, for example), uses the Behelit and it's revealed that she still cherish and treasure Griffith above anyone and anything else, essentially branding ''him'' as a sacrifice as Caska crosses the MoralEventHorizon and as fate and consequence dictates, have Femto torn apart by her apostle-form and his soul dragged off to hell forever to complete the sacrifice, leaving a much weaker and killable monster behind for Guts to finish off than the {{Omnipotent}} humanoid eldritch abomination that's Femto. Pure poetic justice, as not even the Godhand are above the casualty of fate, turning this into a beautiful case of poetic justice and karma towards Griffith, considering what he did to her during the Eclipse.

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Caska, Casca, her memories and herself restored, ends up performing a HeroicSacrifice once it all is lost (Thinking that Guts have been killed by Femto during the final confrontation, for example), uses the Behelit and it's revealed that she still cherish and treasure Griffith above anyone and anything else, essentially branding ''him'' as a sacrifice as Caska Casca crosses the MoralEventHorizon and as fate and consequence dictates, have Femto torn apart by her apostle-form and his soul dragged off to hell forever to complete the sacrifice, leaving a much weaker and killable monster behind for Guts to finish off than the {{Omnipotent}} humanoid eldritch abomination that's Femto. Pure poetic justice, as not even the Godhand are above the casualty of fate, turning this into a beautiful case of poetic justice and karma towards Griffith, considering what he did to her during the Eclipse.
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