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22nd Apr '17 5:19:17 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: [[SuikodenV Georg Prime]] is an alternate universe version of Guts.]]

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[[WMG: [[SuikodenV [[VideoGame/SuikodenV Georg Prime]] is an alternate universe version of Guts.]]
6th Apr '17 2:20:24 PM RJ-19-CLOVIS-93
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His rape of Casca was based out of spite, a means of punishment for Guts leaving the group and for the changing dynamic between the three. Thanks to his Godhand powers he's aware of Guts' own trauma involving being raped, so afterwards he planned to humiliate and hurt Guts [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil in the worst]] [[RapeAsDrama way possible]]. Why start with punishing Casca? [[{{Sadist}} To maximize the pain]]. He wanted to show what was in store for him with the knowledge [[AdultFear he has no way of stopping it]], and have him fail to save the woman he loves all at once. Thankfully for the Black Swordsman the Skull Knight arrived, or he'd probably be [[MindRape just as broken as Casca]].

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His rape of Casca was based out of spite, a means of punishment for Guts leaving the group and for the changing dynamic between the three. Thanks to his Godhand powers he's aware of Guts' own trauma involving being raped, so afterwards he planned to humiliate and hurt Guts [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil in the worst]] [[RapeAsDrama way possible]]. Why start with punishing Casca? [[{{Sadist}} To maximize the pain]]. He wanted to show what was in store for him with the knowledge [[AdultFear he has no way of stopping it]], and have him fail to save the woman he loves all at once. Thankfully for the Black Swordsman the Skull Knight arrived, or he'd probably be [[MindRape just as broken as Casca]].Casca]].

[[WMG: Speculation of the backstory of Apostles.]]
* Slan: Her cult is a sign that, like Void is implied to be, she was a religious leader. Though not necessarily a good person, she was a powerful figure for [[EthicalSlut free love]] and came to rival the church. However this cult would come crashing down, and it's possible part of her despair involved [[RapeAsDrama being raped]]. The demonic pagan orgies are a perversion of her old faith due to having embraced evil.
* Ubik: A genius in life, he was involved in politics and the sciences. He was very knowledgeable in supernatural phenomenon, and started to uncover information about causality, the Behelits and such. Knowing [[YouCantFightFate the truth of fate]] [[CosmicHorrorStory and the world he lives in]] [[GoMadFromTheRevelation drove him mad]], and embraced the Crimson Behelit so as to rise above and become the closest to independent he wishes-as an arbiter of fate.
* Conrad: Depending on who came first, he could be either a fan of Ubik's work or vice versa. He was a master PlagueDoctor, attracting a following to his healing. However there was a tragic secret he learned too late; he was a TyphoidMary. As he would cause more harm than help, the people despised him and demonized him, burning him at the sake. This despair activated his Crimson Behelit just in time, and now he embraces his nature as an agent of pestilence.
* The Snake Baron: Despite his current claims, he was never a baron. He was but a bog-level servant for the actual aristocracy, and spent his days faithfully serving his master. He rose in service like a more low-tier Griffith, however for all his loyalty [[UngratefulBastard he was fired]] and made poor. This led to his despair, and embracing a ruthless baron as an Apostle to feel empowered.
* Nosferatu Zodd: Given how disciplined he is [[NobleDemon even as an apostle]], it stands to reason that he was a prestigious military commander. To improve his position he was try a dangerous maneuver on the enemy, leading to his capture and torture. Due to his EvenEvilHasStandards ideology, he either sacrificed a loved one [[ETuBrute who sold him out]] or just a loved one, but [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone had regret]] and decided to retain his own [[BloodKnight take on morality]].
* Wyald: In spite(or really because of) his later behavior, as a human he was rather chaste. He used to be a celibate monk of sorts, living to a ripe old age as seen with [[EvilOldFolks his elderly form]]. However he remained [[CovertPervert a deeply lustful person]] [[SexIsEvilAndIAmHorny despite condemnations]]. Think Frollo. He had a close friend who ended up living a great life full of pleasures of the flesh and war, which made him really envious. As a sick old man his clergy left him, and he felt he wasted his life in the papacy. This compensation and general depravity is why he's such an egregious SerialRapist.
1st Apr '17 5:37:40 PM RJ-19-CLOVIS-93
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The Idea of Evil exists because people needed a reason for their suffering, but that doesn't mean they want something to actively make them suffer. The "reason" they need isn't "What is making me suffer?", the reason is "What is ''the point of'' my suffering?" The Idea of Evil's plan is not to make everyone miserable for no reason, that would go against its purpose. Its plan is to force all of humanity to endure a degree of suffering that they feel would be a fair trade for an amount of happiness, it's just that there's a huge disparity between the value of happiness and the value of pain: offer someone fifty bucks if they'll let you cut off one of their toes, and they'll probably tell you to piss off; offer them a million, and you'd get at least a few takers. Offer to make sure that they, their friends, and their family are all set for life, and they might gladly offer you their whole leg. The thing is, the Idea of Evil is the only figure that knows the exchange rate and it doesn't ask permission or consent, so to everyone in the Berserk universe, it's just an insane amount of suffering with no apparent benefit.

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The Idea of Evil exists because people needed a reason for their suffering, but that doesn't mean they want something to actively make them suffer. The "reason" they need isn't "What is making me suffer?", the reason is "What is ''the point of'' my suffering?" The Idea of Evil's plan is not to make everyone miserable for no reason, that would go against its purpose. Its plan is to force all of humanity to endure a degree of suffering that they feel would be a fair trade for an amount of happiness, it's just that there's a huge disparity between the value of happiness and the value of pain: offer someone fifty bucks if they'll let you cut off one of their toes, and they'll probably tell you to piss off; offer them a million, and you'd get at least a few takers. Offer to make sure that they, their friends, and their family are all set for life, and they might gladly offer you their whole leg. The thing is, the Idea of Evil is the only figure that knows the exchange rate and it doesn't ask permission or consent, so to everyone in the Berserk universe, it's just an insane amount of suffering with no apparent benefit.benefit.

[[WMG: Griffith planned to rape Guts after Casca.]]
His rape of Casca was based out of spite, a means of punishment for Guts leaving the group and for the changing dynamic between the three. Thanks to his Godhand powers he's aware of Guts' own trauma involving being raped, so afterwards he planned to humiliate and hurt Guts [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil in the worst]] [[RapeAsDrama way possible]]. Why start with punishing Casca? [[{{Sadist}} To maximize the pain]]. He wanted to show what was in store for him with the knowledge [[AdultFear he has no way of stopping it]], and have him fail to save the woman he loves all at once. Thankfully for the Black Swordsman the Skull Knight arrived, or he'd probably be [[MindRape just as broken as Casca]].
12th Mar '17 3:57:48 PM Paireon
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**Nope. Latest chapters confirm Elfheim is perfectly fine for the time being. Puck even has a bunch of "brothers" there.






[[WMG: King Gaiseric. is a RedHerring ]]

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[[WMG: King Gaiseric. Gaiseric is a RedHerring ]]







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** It's been clearly shown many times over anyway that ordinary Kushan and even Bakiraka are no more or less evil than anyone else in this setting, on average. That said, Silat doing that down the road seems highly likely. Especially in light of Rickert and Luca's return from their bus trip, and the former's decision to get the Hell out of Dodge after getting more glimpses of the true nature of Apostles, Griffith and Falconia itself (which Griffith did NOT take kindly to). Both narrative causality and sheer necessity will cause most Griffith-skeptic and -hostile groups and individuals to coalesce.




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** The Elf King has been revealed, and nope, it's not the Child.




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**It actually could be just the opposite - a massive moment of both character development and catharsis for Guts when he realizes/comes to terms with Casca having even more reason than him to kill Femto (she was far more damaged, psychologically at least, than Guts was by the betrayal, and said betrayal ran far deeper, as not only had she been with Griffith for longer than Guts, but unlike Guts, who chose to strike out on his own after a while, she always remained at his side), and he will gladly let her give the killing blow. Conversely, this will add insult to injury to Griffith/Femto's fate, as even without any feelings left towards Guts his pride would likely demand he be struck down by someone he once considered a worthy (almost) equal (Guts) rather than someone who'd always ultimately been nothing but a disposable tool on his road to greatness.




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* Heh. Always thought that this was one of Femto's motivations for raping Casca, along with another, perfectly compatible Greed/Envy-related classic- e.g. "You [Guts] took something precious [Guts himself and/or Griffith's hopes and dreams] from me, so now I'm returning you the favor".




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*** Well in any case Guts' continued use of the Berserker Armor seems to be either slowly killing him and/or turning him into something not human à la Skull Knight (or both; not mutually exclusive).



* We already kinda' had something like that with the Enoch chapter. Guts and company not only managed to defend the village from the Trolls (without any innocent loss of life), but they were able to rescue women and children who had been dragged off the [[EldritchLocation Qliphoth]]. And the place's subsequent collapse ensured it would no longer be a problem (until a certain big event transpired in the manga, anyway). And they reintroduced pagan concepts and customs to the Holy See worshippers there. [[OverlyLOngGag AND]] the whole adventure cemented the group as TrueCompanions in Guts' mind. Hasn't done anything directly for Casca, but the new dynamics the group built up certainly made the [[FindTheCure journey for the cure]] much easier.

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* We already kinda' had something like that with the Enoch chapter. Guts and company not only managed to defend the village from the Trolls (without any further innocent loss of life), but they were able to rescue women and children who had been dragged off to the [[EldritchLocation Qliphoth]]. And the place's subsequent collapse ensured it would no longer be a problem (until a certain big event transpired in the manga, anyway). And they reintroduced pagan concepts and customs to the Holy See worshippers there. [[OverlyLOngGag AND]] the whole adventure cemented the group as TrueCompanions in Guts' mind. Hasn't done anything directly for Casca, but the new dynamics the group built up certainly made the [[FindTheCure journey for the cure]] much easier.
7th Jan '17 3:22:49 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: Caim from {{VideoGame/Drakengard}} is Guts' and Casca's child]]

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[[WMG: Caim from {{VideoGame/Drakengard}} ''{{VideoGame/Drakengard}}'' is Guts' and Casca's child]]



Maybe I've been watching too much ''{{The Legend of Korra}}'' (which turn was probably inspired by ''{{Star Wars}}'', and isn't Miura a ''Star Wars'' fan?), but I thought it'd be interesting if what the Petal Storm King gave Casca was spiritual and existential guidance to help her overcome her collective trauma and struggles. It'd be a perfect opportunity to give her some more arc development apart from Guts, and I think the two of them having a dramatic confrontation over what he did to her would be good catalyst toward her spiritual journey, as well as being a good close when she's ready to confront him once again (a la symbolic sword fight, as always.

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Maybe I've been watching too much ''{{The ''WesternAnimation/{{The Legend of Korra}}'' (which turn was probably inspired by ''{{Star Wars}}'', and isn't Miura a ''Star Wars'' fan?), but I thought it'd be interesting if what the Petal Storm King gave Casca was spiritual and existential guidance to help her overcome her collective trauma and struggles. It'd be a perfect opportunity to give her some more arc development apart from Guts, and I think the two of them having a dramatic confrontation over what he did to her would be good catalyst toward her spiritual journey, as well as being a good close when she's ready to confront him once again (a la symbolic sword fight, as always.
22nd Dec '16 11:22:49 AM Morgenthaler
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* {{Badass}}? Check.

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* {{Badass}}? Badass? Check.



Given that he's acting as the MessianicArchetype, it certainly wouldn't do for people to go around claiming he used hideous evil monsters to do his work for him, as he similarly demonstrated on Gannon. Zodd will survive, and join Guts until the day of reckoning occurs in a singularity of {{Badass}}ery.

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Given that he's acting as the MessianicArchetype, it certainly wouldn't do for people to go around claiming he used hideous evil monsters to do his work for him, as he similarly demonstrated on Gannon. Zodd will survive, and join Guts until the day of reckoning occurs in a singularity of {{Badass}}ery.
badassery.



* The ultimate one: Guts accomplishes all those while saving his friends and preventing Casca from being damaged, proving that he's the ultimate, unstoppable {{Badass}} of Midland.

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* The ultimate one: Guts accomplishes all those while saving his friends and preventing Casca from being damaged, proving that he's the ultimate, unstoppable {{Badass}} badass of Midland.
18th Nov '16 4:52:42 AM KingClark
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** At this point, one could write an entire thesis about the sheer number of ways that rape scene crossed the {{MoralEventHorizon}} and you would still miss out on a few subtle aspects.

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** At this point, one could write an entire thesis about the sheer number of ways that rape scene crossed the {{MoralEventHorizon}} MoralEventHorizon and you would still miss out on a few subtle aspects.
18th Nov '16 4:50:40 AM KingClark
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Think about it. The very purpose reason [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]] exists is just to cause humans to suffer. Now, going back to the initial story arcs of Berserk,excluding Golden Age and ending at the Tower of Conviction, Guts has pretty much been [[HeroWithBadPublicity vilified by the people he ended up saving]]. Now, if I was the embodiment of humanity's evil, I'd see potential in Guts and manipulate ''everyone''for the sake of spurning mankind to suffer more. Hence why it allowed Griffith to go against its purpose and become [[MessianicArchetype a messiah]] to the people. For the sole purpose of having the Falcon of Light (and probably the rest of Femto's fellow demons) be struck down in front of his followers and let the world plummet into despair.

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Think about it. The very purpose reason [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]] exists is just to cause humans to suffer. Now, going back to the initial story arcs of Berserk,excluding Golden Age and ending at the Tower of Conviction, Guts has pretty much been [[HeroWithBadPublicity vilified by the people he ended up saving]]. Now, if I was the embodiment of humanity's evil, I'd see potential in Guts and manipulate ''everyone''for ''everyone'' for the sake of spurning mankind to suffer more. Hence why it allowed Griffith to go against its purpose and become [[MessianicArchetype a messiah]] to the people. For the sole purpose of having the Falcon of Light (and probably the rest of Femto's fellow demons) be struck down in front of his followers and let the world plummet into despair.
18th Nov '16 4:49:43 AM KingClark
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Think about it. The very purpose reason [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]] exists is just to cause humans to suffer. Now, going back to the initial story arcs of Berserk,excluding Golden Age and ending at the Tower of Conviction, Guts has pretty much been [[HerowithBadPublicity vilified by the people he ended up saving]]. Now, if I was the embodiment of humanity's evil, I'd see potential in Guts and manipulate ''everyone''for the sake of spurning mankind to suffer more. Hence why it allowed Griffith to go against its purpose and become [[MessianicArchetype a messiah]] to the people. For the sole purpose of having the Falcon of Light (and probably the rest of Femto's fellow demons) be struck down in front of his followers and let the world plummet into despair.

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Think about it. The very purpose reason [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]] exists is just to cause humans to suffer. Now, going back to the initial story arcs of Berserk,excluding Golden Age and ending at the Tower of Conviction, Guts has pretty much been [[HerowithBadPublicity [[HeroWithBadPublicity vilified by the people he ended up saving]]. Now, if I was the embodiment of humanity's evil, I'd see potential in Guts and manipulate ''everyone''for the sake of spurning mankind to suffer more. Hence why it allowed Griffith to go against its purpose and become [[MessianicArchetype a messiah]] to the people. For the sole purpose of having the Falcon of Light (and probably the rest of Femto's fellow demons) be struck down in front of his followers and let the world plummet into despair.
3rd Oct '16 12:42:26 PM jokevv
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