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Barbara Gordon is kind of due for a Modern live action appearance. Showing her as Oracle could distance her from batman and prevent her from being just a Girl Batman.
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[[WMG: Deathstroke will appear]]
Must be portrayed by {{Ron Perlman}}
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[[WMG: Jim Gordon will be portrayed by Bryan Cranston.]]
He did a great job voicing him in ''Batman Year One.'' Plus, he looks and is older than Ben Affleck, just like how Gordon is older than Wayne.
He did a great job voicing him in ''Batman Year One.'' Plus, he looks and is older than Ben Affleck, just like how Gordon is older than Wayne.
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[[WMG: Superman was replaced by Bizarro and is the Dragon to Lex Luthor]]
It will be revealed that Lex Luthor either owns the Daily Planet and followed Lois Lane's reporting enough to figure out who Superman is, and that he exists, or he did his own independent investigation and found out. He then finds some sample of Superman's DNA (some of his beard hair, perhaps?) and uses Cadmus to create a clone of this powerful alien. While working on the clone, they discovered a particular type of radiation that hurts the clone on a molecular level which they'll call "Kryptonite". When the clone is finished, Luthor uses some form of mind control on him, or controls him with the threat of Kryptonite. After Superman is arrested and interrogated, Luthor secretly takes custody of the actual Superman (keeping him in a prison that is surrounded by Kryptonite, so he can't escape) and replaces him with the clone. The clone has instructions to stop Zod while destroying as much of Metropolis that Luthor doesn't own and protecting LexCorp properties as much as possible. Then, after the big battle, Luthor buys up the now-devestated land for cheap and rebuilds it. He becomes a hero to the people.
Of course, the clone isn't perfect, and is degenerating. Lois figures this out, and Batman (who is in Metropolis to strike a business deal with Luthor/investigate him for possible criminality) figures at least part of it out. Meanwhile, Wonder Woman announces her existence after the Battle of Metropolis (and many other heroes consider doing the same, including Aquaman and the Green Lantern) and helps Lois save Superman, while Batman fights "Superman" wearing a power suit. Fake Supes will degenerate further, looking like the traditional Bizarro. Batman will be the one to name him that. It'll end with Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman beating Bizarro down and arresting Luthor. That will be the dawn of the Justice League.
It will be revealed that Lex Luthor either owns the Daily Planet and followed Lois Lane's reporting enough to figure out who Superman is, and that he exists, or he did his own independent investigation and found out. He then finds some sample of Superman's DNA (some of his beard hair, perhaps?) and uses Cadmus to create a clone of this powerful alien. While working on the clone, they discovered a particular type of radiation that hurts the clone on a molecular level which they'll call "Kryptonite". When the clone is finished, Luthor uses some form of mind control on him, or controls him with the threat of Kryptonite. After Superman is arrested and interrogated, Luthor secretly takes custody of the actual Superman (keeping him in a prison that is surrounded by Kryptonite, so he can't escape) and replaces him with the clone. The clone has instructions to stop Zod while destroying as much of Metropolis that Luthor doesn't own and protecting LexCorp properties as much as possible. Then, after the big battle, Luthor buys up the now-devestated land for cheap and rebuilds it. He becomes a hero to the people.
Of course, the clone isn't perfect, and is degenerating. Lois figures this out, and Batman (who is in Metropolis to strike a business deal with Luthor/investigate him for possible criminality) figures at least part of it out. Meanwhile, Wonder Woman announces her existence after the Battle of Metropolis (and many other heroes consider doing the same, including Aquaman and the Green Lantern) and helps Lois save Superman, while Batman fights "Superman" wearing a power suit. Fake Supes will degenerate further, looking like the traditional Bizarro. Batman will be the one to name him that. It'll end with Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman beating Bizarro down and arresting Luthor. That will be the dawn of the Justice League.
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* Or perhaps Cyborg and Metallo will be combined into a CompositeCharacter.
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Since it's pretty much confirmed that Batman will already be well-established. The two might only have a cameo or appear in a few quick scenes that involve Batman appearing to them separately either to help them with a villain or see if they have information on Superman, considering they all have superpowers.
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Since it's pretty much confirmed that Batman will already be well-established. The two might only have a cameo or appear in a few quick scenes that involve Batman appearing to them separately either to help them with a villain or see if they have information on Superman, considering they all have superpowers.
superpowers. Alternatively for Aquaman's involvement...
[WMG: Aquaman will appear when Batman and Superman take their fight to the ocean.]]
And considering how protective he is of his people, he will give the two a quick ass-kicking back to dry land.
[WMG: Aquaman will appear when Batman and Superman take their fight to the ocean.]]
And considering how protective he is of his people, he will give the two a quick ass-kicking back to dry land.
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[[WMG: Jim Gordon will cameo.]]
Potentially with other Gotham police officers such as Harvey Bullock or Renee Montoya.
[[WMG: Batman will already know about the existence of Wonder Woman and Aquaman.]]
Since it's pretty much confirmed that Batman will already be well-established. The two might only have a cameo or appear in a few quick scenes that involve Batman appearing to them separately either to help them with a villain or see if they have information on Superman, considering they all have superpowers.
Potentially with other Gotham police officers such as Harvey Bullock or Renee Montoya.
[[WMG: Batman will already know about the existence of Wonder Woman and Aquaman.]]
Since it's pretty much confirmed that Batman will already be well-established. The two might only have a cameo or appear in a few quick scenes that involve Batman appearing to them separately either to help them with a villain or see if they have information on Superman, considering they all have superpowers.
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[WMG: The Film will end with the creation of the justice league....]]
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... But Luthor will still be at large and the actions taken in the climax will cause the destruction of a major atlantean city, prompting a war.
... But Luthor will still be at large and the actions taken in the climax will cause the destruction of a major atlantean city, prompting a war.
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*Alternate Theory, Lex gets a Prison Buzzcut near the end.
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[[WMG: This Film will set Aquaman up as an Antagonist.]]
or at least an anti-villian/hero. It makes sense and draws on his best non-comic appearance in the JL Unlimited show.
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** At some point, Bruce will wear sunglasses and use a cane.
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[[WMG: The film will use [[Film/BatmanForever "Kiss From A Rose"]] by Music/{{Seal}}.]]
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[[WMG: Cyborg and Metallo are being built by the same people.]]
If Metallo's in the movie as well, it's much neater and intelligent to have the same doctors saving Victor Stone's life to work on John Corben.
If Metallo's in the movie as well, it's much neater and intelligent to have the same doctors saving Victor Stone's life to work on John Corben.
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* ...Because Cyborg is in the Justice League now, as all the recent animated movies have constantly been trying to remind us?
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[[WMG: Robin is already Nightwing in this continuity.]]
Why would there be a Cyborg cameo in a movie that already has the Big Three if someone wasn't trying to push a Titans movie?
Why would there be a Cyborg cameo in a movie that already has the Big Three if someone wasn't trying to push a Titans movie?
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[[WMG: Bruce Wayne will sue Clark Kent.]]
After all, the title uses the legal "v." style of "versus" instead of the more traditional "vs." spelling.
After all, the title uses the legal "v." style of "versus" instead of the more traditional "vs." spelling.
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* Familiar Justice League story arcs will get adapted for marketing purposes. Unfortunately, some of them will be [[InNameOnly]].
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[[WMG: There will be no more solo movies in this universe for a long while.]]
After Batman V Superman, there will be a 6-movie Justice League story arc with no attempts at all to flesh out the non-Superman, non-Batman members of the league with their own movies. This will be done to avoid the "why aren't the Avengers helping out" type criticisms the Marvel Cinematic Universe keeps getting (and differentiate these movies from the MCU).
After Batman V Superman, there will be a 6-movie Justice League story arc with no attempts at all to flesh out the non-Superman, non-Batman members of the league with their own movies. This will be done to avoid the "why aren't the Avengers helping out" type criticisms the Marvel Cinematic Universe keeps getting (and differentiate these movies from the MCU).
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In Man of Steel, Zod's ship was able to nullify Superman's power. Luthor will salvage the wreckage of the ship and use it to synthesize kryptonite.
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In Man ''Man of Steel, Steel'', Zod's ship was able to nullify Superman's power. Luthor will salvage the wreckage of the ship and use it to synthesize kryptonite.
** Or, it's ''Batman'' who invents Kryptonite to use in case Superman ever goes rogue for any reason.
** Or, it's ''Batman'' who invents Kryptonite to use in case Superman ever goes rogue for any reason.
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The film will use her {{New52}} origin as the daughter of Zeus. She's a child of the Old Gods who came to Man's World to prepare Earth for the coming of the New, by seeking out [[JusticeLeague champions.]]
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[[WMG: Both Smallville and Metropolis will be (mostly) re-built by the time ''Dawn of Justice'' takes place, because Superman lent a super-powered hand]]
Superman will probably have felt really bad about [[DestructiveSavior having caused so much damage during his battle with Zod and his soldiers]] in [[Film/ManOfSteel the first film]] that he decides to help re-build Smallville and Metropolis (though Wayne Enterprises will probably chip in as well). This will make SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor very jealous and Luthor will then seek to discredit Superman; Luthor even accuses Superman of deliberately summoning the Kryptonians to Earth in the first place so they could raze the city, leaving it so damaged that Superman could help re-build it and therefore win the people's trust.
[[WMG: Batman's role in the film]]
Batman/Bruce Wayne will probably be in Metropolis to investigate Superman for himself after hearing Lex Luthor's claims that Superman is a threat to mankind and was secretly working with Zod to level the city so he could then help re-build it and make himself look like a hero and get people to trust him. Bats will ultimately end up agreeing that Superman is a sufficiently powerful alien being who could destroy Earth and take the necessary precautions (like stockpiling Kryptonite) should anything of the sort happen, but he and Superman will part on at least civil terms (not quite friends, not quite enemies).
[[WMG: The film will end on an optimistic note]]
Because the subtitle ''Dawn of Justice'' has '''got''' to suggest the beginnings of the Justice League and, more than that, an age of hope and heroism for Earth, because that's why Clark/Kal-El was sent to our planet in the first place--to [[HopeBringer bring hope to humankind]] (hell, the House of El crest means "hope," as stated by Jor-El in the first movie).
Superman will probably have felt really bad about [[DestructiveSavior having caused so much damage during his battle with Zod and his soldiers]] in [[Film/ManOfSteel the first film]] that he decides to help re-build Smallville and Metropolis (though Wayne Enterprises will probably chip in as well). This will make SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor very jealous and Luthor will then seek to discredit Superman; Luthor even accuses Superman of deliberately summoning the Kryptonians to Earth in the first place so they could raze the city, leaving it so damaged that Superman could help re-build it and therefore win the people's trust.
[[WMG: Batman's role in the film]]
Batman/Bruce Wayne will probably be in Metropolis to investigate Superman for himself after hearing Lex Luthor's claims that Superman is a threat to mankind and was secretly working with Zod to level the city so he could then help re-build it and make himself look like a hero and get people to trust him. Bats will ultimately end up agreeing that Superman is a sufficiently powerful alien being who could destroy Earth and take the necessary precautions (like stockpiling Kryptonite) should anything of the sort happen, but he and Superman will part on at least civil terms (not quite friends, not quite enemies).
[[WMG: The film will end on an optimistic note]]
Because the subtitle ''Dawn of Justice'' has '''got''' to suggest the beginnings of the Justice League and, more than that, an age of hope and heroism for Earth, because that's why Clark/Kal-El was sent to our planet in the first place--to [[HopeBringer bring hope to humankind]] (hell, the House of El crest means "hope," as stated by Jor-El in the first movie).
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[[WMG: There will be a LoveTriangle between Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne and Lois Lane in ''Dawn of Justice'']]
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*** Both jossed. The full title will be Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice.
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[[WMG: When he first appears, Lex Luthor will have hair.]]
At the beginning of part 2, Lex will have a full head of red hair. In the middle of the movie (or at the climax), he will be exposed to something that will cause his hair to fall out.
[[WMG: Lex will be the villain in the second movie and there will be a shout out to ComicBook/BatmanNoMansLand and the DCAU]]
Sort of. Metropolis was pretty much ko'd in the fight between Supes and Zod. It's going to take a lot of money to rebuild. And, why, what noble philanthropist but Lex Luthor will rush into save the day with donated funds to rebuild the city? Unlike that nasty alien who wrecked it in the first place. Then, just like his DCAU counterpart, Lex really will own and employ half the city, and, like in [[ComicBook/BatmanNoMansLand No Man's Land]] the deeds for those buildings will go mysteriously missing and there will be no Batman to stop Lex from doing it.
* Technically, DCAU!Lex built half the ''buildings'' and ''employed'' two thirds of the citizens (whether they knew or not).
[[WMG: Lex Luthor will invent kryptonite.]]
In Man of Steel, Zod's ship was able to nullify Superman's power. Luthor will salvage the wreckage of the ship and use it to synthesize kryptonite.
[[WMG: Kara has been living among the Amazons.]]
And she's friends with WonderWoman.
[[WMG: [[SupermanTheAnimatedSeries Kara's pod was the only one on the scout ship still functioning]], but it was stolen by Lex Luthor]]
At some point Luthor got a hold of it and has kept it safe and secure [[FoeYayShipping just because!]]
[[WMG: DakotaFanning will play {{Supergirl}}]]
I think she would be good at the role. No, this isn't because [[Tropers/AntMan I]] have a crush on both of them!
* Well, it would be another famous movie she'd be in that isn't Twilight. That's good for ''anyone's'' resume.
** She did voice Kid Wonder Woman in [[JusticeLeagueUnlimited JLU]] so it's no surprise if WB asked her to do another role.
[[WMG: There will be a BrickJoke about the satellite broken during the fight with Zod]]
A CrowningMomentOfFunny, of course.
* The following conversation is from ''WesternAnimation/SupermanBatmanApocalypse'':
-->'''Batman''': You still owe me a computer.
-->'''Superman''': Might take a while. [[IronicEcho Reporter's salary]].
* Would be interesting (and hilarious) to learn that the destruction of a Wayne Enterprises satellite screwed over Batman in some way (While it could be argued he could have more than one in orbit, satellites are expensive, and even with his money, Bruce ''might'' have only one of his satellites orbiting the Earth).
** On a darker note, Bruce might decide his next satellite needs to there to monitor superheroes, leading to the creation of Brother Eye.
[[WMG: Batman will be some sorts of Mentor/Big Brother to Superman when it comes to becoming a superhero]]
So, probably, the sequel might have some timeskip or something where Lex Luthor rebuilds Metropolis and makes an all-out campaign against Superman for the destruction of city during Zod's invasion. Bruce Wayne comes to Metropolis to either help in rebuilding the city or have some business deal with Luthor. Luthor tells Bruce some nasty stuff about Superman regarding the city's destruction during Zod's invasion. Bruce, being Batman, investigates and tracks down Superman's whereabouts until he discovers his identity. Then, he teaches Clark some sort of tips on being a superhero such the No-Kill Policy and how not to make too much collateral damage when saving people. Of course, there might some sorts of conflict between them where Clark warns Bruce not to be too close to Luthor because of his anti-Superman campaign while Bruce reminds Clark that Luthor paid most of the damages due to his carelessness back then etc.
* I get how this could work in-universe, but in a meta sense it's just so out of place for Batman to be the one to teach ThouShaltNotKill after past incarnations tied a gargoyle to the Joker's leg, left Ra's al Ghul on a train about to crash, and shoved Harvey Dent off a building (the last one being almost the ''exact same situation'' that Clark was in at the end of his movie).
** The ones that you mentioned are from the Nolanverse and for the nth time, they're not connected to Snyder's version ever since Creator/BenAffleck got cast as Batman. It's possible that Batfleck would be the version close to the comics. If you check [[Characters/BatmanAndBatFamily Batman's tropes]], he doesn't kill or is reluctant to kill unless it's necessary. Hell, in ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamCity'', he regrets letting Joker die and has to let Harley Quinn live.
*** Did you even read the first half of that? The whole "works in-universe but not meta" part?
*** Yes but again, Batfleck is completely different from [[Creator/ChristianBale Bat-Bale]]. It's [[http://screenrant.com/batman-vs-superman-difference-between-ben-affleck-christian-bale/ mentioned]] that Batfleck would be ''an older and wiser version'' that would complement with Henry Cavill's Superman, probably similar to Bruce Wayne's version from ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond''. Anyways, I guess most people are very used to The Dark Knight trilogy.
**** Okay, let me put this another way: after so many years of Batman movies showing him kill off the villains, having him try to teach Superman ThouShaltNotKill (new version of the character or not) as yet ''another'' of DC's attempts to make Batman superior would be just downright infuriating.
[[WMG: Working with Superman will convince Batman he doesn't need to work alone]]
Because dammit, Robin is long past due for film redemption! And frankly, I'm tired of films about only Batman.
[[WMG: Related to the above: Robin died in this continuity.]]
This prompts Batman's desire to work alone or his decision to retire.
* Was it Jason? Because, not many people know this, but Superman ''did'' play a role in that storyline.
[[WMG: Superman Vs Batman is testing the waters before cannonballing in with a JusticeLeague movie]]
[[WMG: There will be a Batman villain acting as Lex's dragon.]]
* Lex Luthor works great as a foil for both Superman and Batman. So you don't need him to team-up with Ra's or something. Instead, just have him recruit one of Batman's villains as muscle for his schemes. As for which one, I think Clayface would work best: he hasn't appeared in a film yet, his powers would make him a feasible threat to both Superman and Batman, and his shapeshifting would work well with Lex's CorruptCorporateExecutive deal. Just have him working in corporate sabotage or something.
* Joker could be DragonWithAnAgenda. Lex hires him, only to find out [[EvilIsNotAToy too late]] that he overestimated his ability to control Joker, thinking MoneyDearBoy would work on [[Film/TheDarkKnight a man who just wants to watch the world burn.]]
* Deadshot is also acceptable, but he is more associated with the Green Arrow. If (note the '''If''') they are planning on putting ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' in the planned DC Cinematic Universe, there could be a scene with Deadshot being approached by Lex, or someone representing him.
* Metallo, the android with Kryptonite in his chest, which is why Superman needs to turn to Batman for help in the first place.
* Magpie, as a nice little MythologyGag to the first post-crisis Superman/Batman team-up.
[[WMG: Batman and Superman will start out as friends, but [[DownerEnding come to odds by the end of the film.]]]]
If they form a Justice League, it will be built on a bitter, paranoid truce so that each can be close enough to keep an eye on the other.
[[WMG: The sequel "Superman vs Batman" movie will be officially titled...]]
"[[Film/GodzillaMothraKingGhidorahGiantMonstersAllOutAttack Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman: Giant Heroes All-Out Attack]]" due to its apparent inclusion of both Wonder Woman and the Flash.
** Most people are already calling it WorldsFinest, because it's both the title of the PreCrisis BatmanSuperman crossover comic, as well as the CrossOver movie which codified the {{DCAU}} between [[BatmanTheAnimatedSeries Batman]] and [[SupermanTheAnimatedSeries Superman]]
[[WMG: GalGadot will only cameo as WonderWoman]]
Because otherwise the whole thing just feels crowded.
* I don't think it would feel crowded. Avengers didn't, and it had 4-7 heroes depending on how you count it. However, I agree that Wonder Woman will probably only cameo because everyone seems to be terrified of using her.
** It would be crowded because, unlike the Avengers, this movie is about Superman and Batman. If they're not calling it "Trinity", then Wonder Woman probably isn't a main protagonist.
** Also, Most of the Avengers were introduced in solo movies, so they only had to really introduce Hawkeye and add characterization to Black Widow. The movie will already have Superman introduced, and it will definitely introduce Batman, but if it tried to introduce Wonder Woman as well it could feel crowded due to throwing too many new major characters at us with their own things going on.
[[WMG: Lex Luthor will use Facebook or some other social network to take over the world.]]
Because he is being played by Jesse Eisenberg.
* [[NowYouSeeMe I swear to god if somebody says anything about magic tricks next…]]
* I know you meant that as a joke, but using Lex Luthor for social commentary on real-life tech moguls might not be a bad idea...
[[WMG: There will be an attempt at an AuthorsSavingThrow towards criticisms of the previous film.]]
I don't want to start another Internet fight, so let me try to put this as nicely as I can: from a purely objective standpoint, a lot more people had problems with Man of Steel than could be reasonably expected. This film will try to appease those people by addressing those issues.
* Well, the last one got a few complaints about not doing enough to establish a DC cinematic universe. And we all know how ''that's'' going...
[[WMG: Batman was one of [[TheKnightsWhoSaySquee Clark's]] childhood heroes.]]
Here, Batman will take the role of the Gray Ghost from ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' while Superman will take the role of Batman, trying to convince his hero to come out of retirement and help him.
[[WMG: This movie will introduce Kryptonite.]]
It will be in Lex's possession, which is why Superman needs Batman's help.
* At the end, Superman will leave the Kryptonite with Batman to use in case he gets out of control.
[[WMG:Someone will call Batman a daredevil]]
[[ActorAllusion Please]]?
[[WMG: The fight between the 2 title characters will end before it becomes clear who will win]]
This ''is'' a basic rule of LetsYouAndHimFight
[[WMG: Kryptonite was created by Zod's terraforming.]]
Instead of meteorites, Kryptonite is transformed Earth matter. Possibly enhanced by Luthor.
[[WMG: Metallo will be in this as TheHeavy.]]
As already guessed above. Luthor salvages Kryptonian material to rebuild John Corben, a soldier or policeman who was injured in the ''Man of Steel'' climax, as a cyborg. The ''real'' Man of Steel, if you will. He's pretty much {{Robocop}} but Luthor uses him to turn the public against Superman, etc. He's also powered by Kryptonite.
[[WMG: Wonder Woman is tied to the New Gods.]]
The film will use her {{New52}} origin as the daughter of Zeus. She's a child of the Old Gods who came to Man's World to prepare Earth for the coming of the New, by seeking out [[JusticeLeague champions.]]
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[[WMG: When he first appears, Lex Luthor will have hair.]]
At the beginning of part 2, Lex will have a full head of red hair. In the middle of the movie (or at the climax), he will be exposed to something that will cause his hair to fall out.
[[WMG: Lex will be the villain in the second movie and there will be a shout out to ComicBook/BatmanNoMansLand and the DCAU]]
Sort of. Metropolis was pretty much ko'd in the fight between Supes and Zod. It's going to take a lot of money to rebuild. And, why, what noble philanthropist but Lex Luthor will rush into save the day with donated funds to rebuild the city? Unlike that nasty alien who wrecked it in the first place. Then, just like his DCAU counterpart, Lex really will own and employ half the city, and, like in [[ComicBook/BatmanNoMansLand No Man's Land]] the deeds for those buildings will go mysteriously missing and there will be no Batman to stop Lex from doing it.
* Technically, DCAU!Lex built half the ''buildings'' and ''employed'' two thirds of the citizens (whether they knew or not).
[[WMG: Lex Luthor will invent kryptonite.]]
In Man of Steel, Zod's ship was able to nullify Superman's power. Luthor will salvage the wreckage of the ship and use it to synthesize kryptonite.
[[WMG: Kara has been living among the Amazons.]]
And she's friends with WonderWoman.
[[WMG: [[SupermanTheAnimatedSeries Kara's pod was the only one on the scout ship still functioning]], but it was stolen by Lex Luthor]]
At some point Luthor got a hold of it and has kept it safe and secure [[FoeYayShipping just because!]]
[[WMG: DakotaFanning will play {{Supergirl}}]]
I think she would be good at the role. No, this isn't because [[Tropers/AntMan I]] have a crush on both of them!
* Well, it would be another famous movie she'd be in that isn't Twilight. That's good for ''anyone's'' resume.
** She did voice Kid Wonder Woman in [[JusticeLeagueUnlimited JLU]] so it's no surprise if WB asked her to do another role.
[[WMG: There will be a BrickJoke about the satellite broken during the fight with Zod]]
A CrowningMomentOfFunny, of course.
* The following conversation is from ''WesternAnimation/SupermanBatmanApocalypse'':
-->'''Batman''': You still owe me a computer.
-->'''Superman''': Might take a while. [[IronicEcho Reporter's salary]].
* Would be interesting (and hilarious) to learn that the destruction of a Wayne Enterprises satellite screwed over Batman in some way (While it could be argued he could have more than one in orbit, satellites are expensive, and even with his money, Bruce ''might'' have only one of his satellites orbiting the Earth).
** On a darker note, Bruce might decide his next satellite needs to there to monitor superheroes, leading to the creation of Brother Eye.
[[WMG: Batman will be some sorts of Mentor/Big Brother to Superman when it comes to becoming a superhero]]
So, probably, the sequel might have some timeskip or something where Lex Luthor rebuilds Metropolis and makes an all-out campaign against Superman for the destruction of city during Zod's invasion. Bruce Wayne comes to Metropolis to either help in rebuilding the city or have some business deal with Luthor. Luthor tells Bruce some nasty stuff about Superman regarding the city's destruction during Zod's invasion. Bruce, being Batman, investigates and tracks down Superman's whereabouts until he discovers his identity. Then, he teaches Clark some sort of tips on being a superhero such the No-Kill Policy and how not to make too much collateral damage when saving people. Of course, there might some sorts of conflict between them where Clark warns Bruce not to be too close to Luthor because of his anti-Superman campaign while Bruce reminds Clark that Luthor paid most of the damages due to his carelessness back then etc.
* I get how this could work in-universe, but in a meta sense it's just so out of place for Batman to be the one to teach ThouShaltNotKill after past incarnations tied a gargoyle to the Joker's leg, left Ra's al Ghul on a train about to crash, and shoved Harvey Dent off a building (the last one being almost the ''exact same situation'' that Clark was in at the end of his movie).
** The ones that you mentioned are from the Nolanverse and for the nth time, they're not connected to Snyder's version ever since Creator/BenAffleck got cast as Batman. It's possible that Batfleck would be the version close to the comics. If you check [[Characters/BatmanAndBatFamily Batman's tropes]], he doesn't kill or is reluctant to kill unless it's necessary. Hell, in ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamCity'', he regrets letting Joker die and has to let Harley Quinn live.
*** Did you even read the first half of that? The whole "works in-universe but not meta" part?
*** Yes but again, Batfleck is completely different from [[Creator/ChristianBale Bat-Bale]]. It's [[http://screenrant.com/batman-vs-superman-difference-between-ben-affleck-christian-bale/ mentioned]] that Batfleck would be ''an older and wiser version'' that would complement with Henry Cavill's Superman, probably similar to Bruce Wayne's version from ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond''. Anyways, I guess most people are very used to The Dark Knight trilogy.
**** Okay, let me put this another way: after so many years of Batman movies showing him kill off the villains, having him try to teach Superman ThouShaltNotKill (new version of the character or not) as yet ''another'' of DC's attempts to make Batman superior would be just downright infuriating.
[[WMG: Working with Superman will convince Batman he doesn't need to work alone]]
Because dammit, Robin is long past due for film redemption! And frankly, I'm tired of films about only Batman.
[[WMG: Related to the above: Robin died in this continuity.]]
This prompts Batman's desire to work alone or his decision to retire.
* Was it Jason? Because, not many people know this, but Superman ''did'' play a role in that storyline.
[[WMG: Superman Vs Batman is testing the waters before cannonballing in with a JusticeLeague movie]]
[[WMG: There will be a Batman villain acting as Lex's dragon.]]
* Lex Luthor works great as a foil for both Superman and Batman. So you don't need him to team-up with Ra's or something. Instead, just have him recruit one of Batman's villains as muscle for his schemes. As for which one, I think Clayface would work best: he hasn't appeared in a film yet, his powers would make him a feasible threat to both Superman and Batman, and his shapeshifting would work well with Lex's CorruptCorporateExecutive deal. Just have him working in corporate sabotage or something.
* Joker could be DragonWithAnAgenda. Lex hires him, only to find out [[EvilIsNotAToy too late]] that he overestimated his ability to control Joker, thinking MoneyDearBoy would work on [[Film/TheDarkKnight a man who just wants to watch the world burn.]]
* Deadshot is also acceptable, but he is more associated with the Green Arrow. If (note the '''If''') they are planning on putting ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' in the planned DC Cinematic Universe, there could be a scene with Deadshot being approached by Lex, or someone representing him.
* Metallo, the android with Kryptonite in his chest, which is why Superman needs to turn to Batman for help in the first place.
* Magpie, as a nice little MythologyGag to the first post-crisis Superman/Batman team-up.
[[WMG: Batman and Superman will start out as friends, but [[DownerEnding come to odds by the end of the film.]]]]
If they form a Justice League, it will be built on a bitter, paranoid truce so that each can be close enough to keep an eye on the other.
[[WMG: The sequel "Superman vs Batman" movie will be officially titled...]]
"[[Film/GodzillaMothraKingGhidorahGiantMonstersAllOutAttack Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman: Giant Heroes All-Out Attack]]" due to its apparent inclusion of both Wonder Woman and the Flash.
** Most people are already calling it WorldsFinest, because it's both the title of the PreCrisis BatmanSuperman crossover comic, as well as the CrossOver movie which codified the {{DCAU}} between [[BatmanTheAnimatedSeries Batman]] and [[SupermanTheAnimatedSeries Superman]]
[[WMG: GalGadot will only cameo as WonderWoman]]
Because otherwise the whole thing just feels crowded.
* I don't think it would feel crowded. Avengers didn't, and it had 4-7 heroes depending on how you count it. However, I agree that Wonder Woman will probably only cameo because everyone seems to be terrified of using her.
** It would be crowded because, unlike the Avengers, this movie is about Superman and Batman. If they're not calling it "Trinity", then Wonder Woman probably isn't a main protagonist.
** Also, Most of the Avengers were introduced in solo movies, so they only had to really introduce Hawkeye and add characterization to Black Widow. The movie will already have Superman introduced, and it will definitely introduce Batman, but if it tried to introduce Wonder Woman as well it could feel crowded due to throwing too many new major characters at us with their own things going on.
[[WMG: Lex Luthor will use Facebook or some other social network to take over the world.]]
Because he is being played by Jesse Eisenberg.
* [[NowYouSeeMe I swear to god if somebody says anything about magic tricks next…]]
* I know you meant that as a joke, but using Lex Luthor for social commentary on real-life tech moguls might not be a bad idea...
[[WMG: There will be an attempt at an AuthorsSavingThrow towards criticisms of the previous film.]]
I don't want to start another Internet fight, so let me try to put this as nicely as I can: from a purely objective standpoint, a lot more people had problems with Man of Steel than could be reasonably expected. This film will try to appease those people by addressing those issues.
* Well, the last one got a few complaints about not doing enough to establish a DC cinematic universe. And we all know how ''that's'' going...
[[WMG: Batman was one of [[TheKnightsWhoSaySquee Clark's]] childhood heroes.]]
Here, Batman will take the role of the Gray Ghost from ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' while Superman will take the role of Batman, trying to convince his hero to come out of retirement and help him.
[[WMG: This movie will introduce Kryptonite.]]
It will be in Lex's possession, which is why Superman needs Batman's help.
* At the end, Superman will leave the Kryptonite with Batman to use in case he gets out of control.
[[WMG:Someone will call Batman a daredevil]]
[[ActorAllusion Please]]?
[[WMG: The fight between the 2 title characters will end before it becomes clear who will win]]
This ''is'' a basic rule of LetsYouAndHimFight
[[WMG: Kryptonite was created by Zod's terraforming.]]
Instead of meteorites, Kryptonite is transformed Earth matter. Possibly enhanced by Luthor.
[[WMG: Metallo will be in this as TheHeavy.]]
As already guessed above. Luthor salvages Kryptonian material to rebuild John Corben, a soldier or policeman who was injured in the ''Man of Steel'' climax, as a cyborg. The ''real'' Man of Steel, if you will. He's pretty much {{Robocop}} but Luthor uses him to turn the public against Superman, etc. He's also powered by Kryptonite.
[[WMG: Wonder Woman is tied to the New Gods.]]
The film will use her {{New52}} origin as the daughter of Zeus. She's a child of the Old Gods who came to Man's World to prepare Earth for the coming of the New, by seeking out [[JusticeLeague champions.]]
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