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19th Jul '16 9:45:55 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Joker knows he is a fictional work, which is why he does what he does. Think of how much fun it is in games like VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto to throw caution to the wind and let loose and cause chaos for chaos's sake. Joke's DangerouslyGenreSavvy nature is his powers (Super-Sanity as mentioned above); he can get away with what he does because he knows no one is truly killed, since they were never alive in the first place and are fictional characters that the audience hates. This is why he "fudged" the location of Rachel and Harvey in the movie: He knew that the fans felt that Rachel was TheScrappy and that they would much rather see Two-Face. Since this was a movie, she was in no real danger, just like his assistant for his magic trick. He would only seem dangerous to the "[=NPCs=]" of his universe - the police, Batman, Alfred, and Harvey Dent. But to him, he's aware he's Oscar gold. His super power is to be the ultimate crowd pleaser!

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* Joker knows he is a fictional work, which is why he does what he does. Think of how much fun it is in games like VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto to throw caution to the wind and let loose and cause chaos for chaos's sake. Joke's DangerouslyGenreSavvy nature is his powers (Super-Sanity as mentioned above); he can get away with what he does because he knows no one is truly killed, since they were never alive in the first place and are fictional characters that the audience hates. This is why he "fudged" the location of Rachel and Harvey in the movie: He knew that the fans felt that Rachel was TheScrappy and that they would much rather see Two-Face. Since this was a movie, she was in no real danger, just like his assistant for his magic trick. He would only seem dangerous to the "[=NPCs=]" of his universe - the police, Batman, Alfred, and Harvey Dent. But to him, he's aware he's Oscar gold. His super power is to be the ultimate crowd pleaser!
29th Jun '16 10:37:00 AM CJF
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[[WMG: Mental disorders of the villains]]
Just what are the types of psychoses that Batman's enemies that are labeled insane and sent to Arkham possess? It's known that Riddler has an extreme case of obsessive compulsive disorder, due to childhood abuse. This makes him obsessed with never lying by leaving clues around, as he simply ''cannot'' commit a crime without clues. Two-Face had multiple personalities, with the darker one being more dominant, but the good side having some power through the use of the coin. It's possible that the Ventriloquist also has multiple personalities shown through the puppet Scarface, but I believe that Scarface is living. And the Joker's mental disorder is unknown. But what's wrong with the other villains like Poison Ivy or Killer Croc? Exactly what is the name of the insanity they have that causes them to do what they do? Feel free to add suggestions.
** Poison Ivy and Croc are probably held at Arkham just because a normal prison couldn't make the accommodations necessary to house a giant lizard man and a woman who controls plants. [[CardboardPrison Not that Arkham does a great job either ...]]
*** I dunno, they probably qualify for a fictional psychosis relating to psychological association of one's identity with the source of metahuman traits rather than human society. ''We'' probably don't have a formal psychological disorder classification for people who categorize themselves as plants and crocodiles rather than humans, but a world with rampant metahumans probably does. They're probably sent to Arkham because their crimes could be stopped (or at least reduced) by convincing them to think of themselves as ''Homo sapiens'', which can only be done at a psychological facility.
*** "''We'' probably don't have a formal psychological disorder classification for people who categorize themselves as plants and crocodiles rather than humans"? I feel like this needs a "yet", seeing as we have those people now.
*** Its been said that KC has been suffering from his mutation/disease so much that he acts more like a reptile than a man.
*** Clayface and Man-Bat probably suffer from a similar "no longer thinks of himself as human, and thus not bound by human social rules due to abnormal metahuman morphology" disorder, emphasized by how Man-Bat is usually a villain to one degree or another, whereas Kirk Langstrom isn't (there's probably some identity disassociation going on there too for Langstrom)
** Scarecrow's characterization varies rather widely, but Jeph Loeb's characterization leaves the impression that he has Dissociative Identity Disorder - when his mask is ripped off in Hush he begins speaking in a normal tone (when he had been singing "Hush little baby ..." before), and doesn't seem to answer to "Scarecrow" and "Jonathan Crane" at the same time. Other characterizations are open to a litany of "diagnoses." Of course, see the "Dr. Crane is faking it" entry above for AlternativeCharacterInterpretation.
** [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Hatter_(comics) The Mad Hatter]] is said to be schizophrenic.
** Harley is all kinds of crazy, but we can probably specifically pinpoint some variation of Stockholme Syndrome or patient-doctor transference, at least in her StartOfDarkness.
** Calendar Man is almost certainly obsessive compulsive to some degree or another what with his inexplicable calendar theme.
** Firefly is a pyromaniac, and that's a legitimate type of impulse control disorder.
** Maxie Zeus is literally and explicitly delusional.
** Ra's al Ghul is occasionally cited as suffering from a type of insanity induced by the side-effects of the Lazarus pits having more lasting effects on him due to repeated use; they may be hoping that therapy can counteract this and make him a little more rational in his ecological aims.
** This troper would go as far as to say each of the main villains suffers from a cartoonish version of a real disorder. The Joker, for example, has a serious case of mania. It would explain his clownishness and motormouth. The Riddler suffers from obsessive compulsive disorder in most of his incarnations, the Penguin is a narcissist, Catwoman is a crazy cat lady, Mr. Freeze is depressed, Bane is suffering from substance abuse, Two-Face has split personalities, and the Scarecrow is an asshole.
* The Joker seems to have multiple disorders instead of just one:
** [[LackOfEmpathy Anti-social personality disorder]]-He sees others are part of an elaborate joke
** Dementia-The Joker's whole worldview, plus the fact [[NoFourthWall he considers the world he inhabits fictional
** [[DespairEventHorizon Depression]]-ComicBook/TheKillingJoke implies that the Joker uses insanity as an escape from pain.
** Dissociative personality disorder-[[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation The numerous personalities the Joker has adopted over the years.]]
** Platonic [[FoeYay (or not)]] [[StalkerWithACrush eroto]][[StalkerWithoutACrush mania]]-The Joker is obsessed with Batman as his arch-enemy, often refusing to kill him to continue their rivalry. It borders on [[FoeYay outright romance]] in the most twisted way possible.
** [[TheNarcissist Narcissim]]-Sees his crimes as one big game, and loves to goad others(mainly Batman) into playing it
** [[ForTheEvulz Sadistic personality disorder]]-The Joker's favourite crimes are hurting his foes on a personal level, and much of what he does is basically [[MadArtist artistic sadism.]]
** [[TheSociopath Sociopathy]]-The Joker is incapable of empathy or guilt, highly intelligent and [[ManipulativeBastard good at manipulating others]]. If you take the interpretation that he's faking madness,
19th Jun '16 2:55:53 PM DoctorCrocodileReborn
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[[WMG: Bruce Wayne's parents were murdered by supervillains in the Adam West show.]]
Just a personal theory of mine, which I suggest because in the show Batman was never really depicted fighting any 'normal criminals' even though he still did so in the 60s comics. What's more, Batman was only called in whenever a supervillain showed up. These lead me to suspect that whoever killed the Waynes might actually have been a supervillain themselves, and why Batman tends to deal with those as an opposing force, like a subversion of the 'superhero paradox.'
19th Jun '16 2:37:07 AM Doug86
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** Is a guy dressed as a bat fighting criminals with batarangs any less believable than [[Franchise/{{Superman}} the flying guy from Metropolis]], or [[Comicbook/GreenLantern those guys with the magic rings who]] [[ComicBook/BlackestNight saved us from those zombies a few weeks ago,]] or even [[ComicBook/BoosterGold that arrogant]] [[http://kvors.com/click/?s=63452&c=110703 entrepreneur]] [[ComicBook/BoosterGold in the gold suit who claims to be from the future,]] or [[Franchise/TheDCU any of those other powered fruits in the brightly colored costumes I see on the news?]]

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** Is a guy dressed as a bat fighting criminals with batarangs any less believable than [[Franchise/{{Superman}} the flying guy from Metropolis]], or [[Comicbook/GreenLantern [[Franchise/GreenLantern those guys with the magic rings who]] [[ComicBook/BlackestNight saved us from those zombies a few weeks ago,]] or even [[ComicBook/BoosterGold that arrogant]] [[http://kvors.com/click/?s=63452&c=110703 entrepreneur]] [[ComicBook/BoosterGold in the gold suit who claims to be from the future,]] or [[Franchise/TheDCU any of those other powered fruits in the brightly colored costumes I see on the news?]]



...via a [[Comicbook/GreenLantern Black Lantern Ring]]. Because Creator/GrantMorrison and Geoff Johns influence each other, this could very well happen.

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...via a [[Comicbook/GreenLantern [[Franchise/GreenLantern Black Lantern Ring]]. Because Creator/GrantMorrison and Geoff Johns influence each other, this could very well happen.
24th May '16 6:10:35 AM JiminysJournal
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[[folder: Upcoming Batman TV series]]

[[WMG: Catwoman will be a tragic Character]]
It is confirmed she will appear as a child in this, so they will give her an origin. This origin will make her a sympathetic future antagonist.
* Isn't she half the time anyway?

[[WMG: Gordon will lose his eyesight.]]
Thus he will need his iconic glasses.

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[[WMG: In the 60's Batman series the three Catwomen were actually three different people]]
Given that three different women played her in the series this seems kind of likely. My thinking is that the Newmar Catwoman is the original and was active for some years until her DisneyVillainDeath in "Better Luck Next Time." She was very badly injured and laid up for some months, during which time the events of the Movie occurred. Given she was able to "impersonate" a Russian woman so well I wonder if Lee Meriwether's Catwoman actually was a Russian, a rogue Communist agent who looked enough like Catwoman to impersonate her and take part in Villain's four way scheme. Her motive was money but when the truth was discovered it was a huge embarrassment for the Russian's and she was thrown into jail where she is fighting deportation (to certain execution) and dodging the occasional agents of the Joker, Penguin, Riddler and of course Catwoman who are none pleased with being duped.

Following all this the Newmar Catwoman returned to crime in an attempt to restore her reputation and acted as Catwoman for most of Season two, however constant defeats and her injuries (as well as Batman's complete disinterest in her) led to her eventual final retirement during the gap between seasons. During this time she met the Kitt Catwoman a gifted thief and Criminal in her own right. Recognizing she could no longer remain active and not wanting a repeat of the recent fiasco she made an offer to Kitt, to let her take over the Catwoman role in exchange for a cut of the loot (The Newmar Catwoman having lost most of her ill-gotten gains due to constant imprisonment).

Kitt accepted and over the next few months established herself. While her skin color alone made it clear this wasn't the same Catwoman word soon got around the underworld that Kitt was Newmar's chosen heiress and she quickly proved herself a worthy successor. One condition the Newmar Catwoman laid down was no flirting with Batman, but luckily the Kitt Catwoman is not interested in him anyway, although she might be bi-sexual given some of her interactions with Batgirl.

The "Catwoman" in "The entrancing Doctor Cassandra" is the Meriwether one, still in jail after the United world fiasco. By this point the other major villain's have mostly given up caring about her, and she only joins in the breakout in the hope of getting away to a country with no extradition treaty (as as far from the other two Catwomen as possible). She's badly out of practice by this time and doesn't put up much of a fight when the plan goes pearshaped.

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[[folder: Upcoming Batman TV series]]

[[WMG: Catwoman will be a tragic Character]]
It is confirmed she will appear as a child in this, so they will give her an origin. This origin will make her a sympathetic future antagonist.
* Isn't she half the time anyway?

[[WMG: Gordon will lose his eyesight.]]
Thus he will need his iconic glasses.

[[/folder]]

[[WMG: In the 60's Batman series the three Catwomen were actually three different people]]
Given that three different women played her in the series this seems kind of likely. My thinking is that the Newmar Catwoman is the original and was active for some years until her DisneyVillainDeath in "Better Luck Next Time." She was very badly injured and laid up for some months, during which time the events of the Movie occurred. Given she was able to "impersonate" a Russian woman so well I wonder if Lee Meriwether's Catwoman actually was a Russian, a rogue Communist agent who looked enough like Catwoman to impersonate her and take part in Villain's four way scheme. Her motive was money but when the truth was discovered it was a huge embarrassment for the Russian's and she was thrown into jail where she is fighting deportation (to certain execution) and dodging the occasional agents of the Joker, Penguin, Riddler and of course Catwoman who are none pleased with being duped.

Following all this the Newmar Catwoman returned to crime in an attempt to restore her reputation and acted as Catwoman for most of Season two, however constant defeats and her injuries (as well as Batman's complete disinterest in her) led to her eventual final retirement during the gap between seasons. During this time she met the Kitt Catwoman a gifted thief and Criminal in her own right. Recognizing she could no longer remain active and not wanting a repeat of the recent fiasco she made an offer to Kitt, to let her take over the Catwoman role in exchange for a cut of the loot (The Newmar Catwoman having lost most of her ill-gotten gains due to constant imprisonment).

Kitt accepted and over the next few months established herself. While her skin color alone made it clear this wasn't the same Catwoman word soon got around the underworld that Kitt was Newmar's chosen heiress and she quickly proved herself a worthy successor. One condition the Newmar Catwoman laid down was no flirting with Batman, but luckily the Kitt Catwoman is not interested in him anyway, although she might be bi-sexual given some of her interactions with Batgirl.

The "Catwoman" in "The entrancing Doctor Cassandra" is the Meriwether one, still in jail after the United world fiasco. By this point the other major villain's have mostly given up caring about her, and she only joins in the breakout in the hope of getting away to a country with no extradition treaty (as as far from the other two Catwomen as possible). She's badly out of practice by this time and doesn't put up much of a fight when the plan goes pearshaped.
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*** Also, Ras Al Ghul brings Jason back to life. Wanting to have Bruce be the future head of the Demon would make him want Bruce to have a clear head, and so playing off of his delusions would not be part of his agenda. Not to mention that many other people can see Robin, and not just the Joker. This includes most characters in the series. Besides, who took over as Batman after the Final Crisis, and who founded the Teen Titans?

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*** Also, Ras Al Ra's al Ghul brings Jason back to life. Wanting to have Bruce be the future head of the Demon would make him want Bruce to have a clear head, and so playing off of his delusions would not be part of his agenda. Not to mention that many other people can see Robin, and not just the Joker. This includes most characters in the series. Besides, who took over as Batman after the Final Crisis, and who founded the Teen Titans?



[[WMG: The real reason the 60s series hasn't been released on video? They can't afford it]]
It's so [[SoBadItsGood cheesy]] that they need to include a case of wine with every DVD.
** [[http://comicsalliance.com/batman-1966-classic-tv-series-home-video-release-warner-bros/ Is that so?]]









[[WMG:Gotham isn't Franchise/TheDCU version of New York or Chicago. It's ''[[Creator/HPLovecraft Innsmouth]]''.]]
Either Innsmouth started out named Gotham in the DCU, or sometime around the mid-thirties, when the city began to grow larger (enough to encompass Arkham and Dunwich as well), the new city was officially called Gotham and Innsmouth, Dunwich, Arkham, etc. became just boroughs. This explains the dark, twisted nature of the city, its architecture, people, mad scientists... not to mention Arkham Asylum. Related theories:
* In the DCU, Nyarlathotep is named "Parallax".
** I, ElectricalLass, was going to say that Nyarlthotep is named "''Joker''" in the DCU, but the below WMG beat me to it
* Martha Wayne is descended from the line of the Carters (such as Literature/JohnCarterOfMars, [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos Randolph Carter]], etc).
* Killer Croc isn't mutated; he has a harsh version of the Innsmouth Look.
* No, Gotham is Arkham, which later grew to encompass other smaller towns; the resulting city got named Gotham.
** It probably started as Innsmouth, seeing how the heart of Gotham is near the ocean. It later spread out to near the inland Arkham, which is why Arkham Asylum is always depicted as being on outskirts of Gotham, away from the sea.
* Thomas Wayne got his MD at Miskatonic University.
* So what state would that make Gotham in? Rhode Island?
** Northeastern Massachusetts - Specifically Essex County.



[[WMG:Gotham isn't Franchise/TheDCU version of New York or Chicago. It's ''[[Creator/HPLovecraft Innsmouth]]''.]]
Either Innsmouth started out named Gotham in the DCU, or sometime around the mid-thirties, when the city began to grow larger (enough to encompass Arkham and Dunwich as well), the new city was officially called Gotham and Innsmouth, Dunwich, Arkham, etc. became just boroughs. This explains the dark, twisted nature of the city, its architecture, people, mad scientists... not to mention Arkham Asylum. Related theories:
* In the DCU, Nyarlathotep is named "Parallax".
** I, ElectricalLass, was going to say that Nyarlthotep is named "''Joker''" in the DCU, but the below WMG beat me to it
* Martha Wayne is descended from the line of the Carters (such as Literature/JohnCarterOfMars, [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos Randolph Carter]], etc).
* Killer Croc isn't mutated; he has a harsh version of the Innsmouth Look.
* No, Gotham is Arkham, which later grew to encompass other smaller towns; the resulting city got named Gotham.
** It probably started as Innsmouth, seeing how the heart of Gotham is near the ocean. It later spread out to near the inland Arkham, which is why Arkham Asylum is always depicted as being on outskirts of Gotham, away from the sea.
* Thomas Wayne got his MD at Miskatonic University.
* So what state would that make Gotham in? Rhode Island?
** Northeastern Massachusetts - Specifically Essex County.






[[WMG: The Bat-Shark-Repellent is really...]]
Ground [[Series/{{QI}} stout-punching fish]]. Hell, it makes as much sense as anything else in that movie.






** Ra's al-Ghul is occasionally cited as suffering from a type of insanity induced by the side-effects of the Lazarus pits having more lasting effects on him due to repeated use; they may be hoping that therapy can counteract this and make him a little more rational in his ecological aims.

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** Ra's al-Ghul al Ghul is occasionally cited as suffering from a type of insanity induced by the side-effects of the Lazarus pits having more lasting effects on him due to repeated use; they may be hoping that therapy can counteract this and make him a little more rational in his ecological aims.






[[WMG: In the [[Series/{{Batman}} Adam West series]], Professor Mackelroy owes one of Tut's "Queens" child support.]]
Self-explanatory, really.

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[[WMG: In the [[Series/{{Batman}} Adam West series]], Professor Mackelroy owes one of Tut's "Queens" child support.]]
Self-explanatory, really.









[[WMG: The entire Film/TheDarkKnightSaga was Ras Al Ghul's Magnificent Bastard attempt to redeem Gotham.]]

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[[WMG: The entire Film/TheDarkKnightSaga was Ras Al Ra's al Ghul's Magnificent Bastard attempt to redeem Gotham.]]



... Billy Baston. Think about it, he's a young orphan, but can turn himself into a figure who's as powerful as Superman. If he could just give him the reds & greens, evildoers wouldn't stand a chance in Gotham. Bane and Killer Crock would be on the floor crying and bleeding.

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... Billy Baston.Batson. Think about it, he's a young orphan, but can turn himself into a figure who's as powerful as Superman. If he could just give him the reds & greens, evildoers wouldn't stand a chance in Gotham. Bane and Killer Crock would be on the floor crying and bleeding.



* The reason why so many of Batman's villains are [[EvilCounterpart dark counterparts of themselves]] is because Bruce Wayne is trying to deal with his issues. Two-Face embodies his split personality disorder and feeling of victimization, Bane embodies his obsessive nature, the Scarecrow embodies his cruelty and Ra's Al Ghul embodies his hero complex. The Penguin, ironically, is a manifestation of his sanity-the kind of individual Bruce strives to be, but makes a villain because he refuses to give up being the Batman. The JokerImmunity is a result of Bruce remaining insane.

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* The reason why so many of Batman's villains are [[EvilCounterpart dark counterparts of themselves]] is because Bruce Wayne is trying to deal with his issues. Two-Face embodies his split personality disorder and feeling of victimization, Bane embodies his obsessive nature, the Scarecrow embodies his cruelty and Ra's Al al Ghul embodies his hero complex. The Penguin, ironically, is a manifestation of his sanity-the kind of individual Bruce strives to be, but makes a villain because he refuses to give up being the Batman. The JokerImmunity is a result of Bruce remaining insane.



[[WMG: The Final Issue of Batman '66]]
* Will involve Batman joining the WesternAnimation/{{Superfriends}}, complete with Wendy, Marvin, and a Superman that looks like George Reeves.



[[WMG: In the '60s TV Series Universe, the Waynes Weren't Killed]]
Bruce Wayne is MUCH more well-adjusted in that series, and Gotham itself is a much nicer place. My thought is that while the mugging still happened, Joe Chill didn't kill Thomas and Martha Wayne, but merely wounded them with his gun. This still inspired young Bruce to want to fight crime, and further inspired his parents to use their fortune to help clean up Gotham and end most of the petty crime. This is what connected the Waynes to the Gotham Police Department (thus explaining the social connection between Bruce and Commissioner Gordon in the series). Meanwhile Bruce, while not insanely driven to become the ultimate ninja and detective, still found it a good idea to learn at least one form of martial arts, and went to the best colleges he could. Thomas and Martha died eventually, but not in a sudden, tragic way that would cause a breakdown. As for what inspired the bat theme? Maybe he grew to like them in his studies, or something.
* Jossed. In the first episode, Bruce clearly states that his parents were murdered.



[[WMG: The 1960s Gotham is a sociopathic NoWomansLand.]]
Ever notice that every time a guest villain comes back, he has a completely different gang? [[PunchClockVillain That's partly because all the henchmen are either freelancers who work for whichever villain will offer them the best deal, or they're guild members who contract with one villain after another on a temporary basis (we just didn't notice this because they were wearing different costumes while part of different gangs).]] But, then, why are the ''molls'' different? Can't any of these villains commit to a romantic relationship? The answer, of course, is no. No villain can stay in a relationship because he's always the one who ''ends'' the relationship - [[BastardBoyfriend violently]].

Every male villain we saw was a cold-blooded misogynist and considered the molls expendable. And why shouldn't they have? The molls usually weren't very intelligent, [[NeutralFemale couldn't fight]], and never did anything one of the male gang members couldn't have managed. After being captured and then escaping or being released from prison, the Joker, the Penguin, the Riddler, etc., each naturally concluded that the presence of the moll had compromised his plans, and so tracked her down and executed her as [[YouHaveFailedMe "punishment"]] for [[NeverMyFault "causing his defeat."]] So why did they [[VillainBall keep hiring new molls]], you ask? Well, their profiles of insanity also included sexual perversion and sadomasochism, plus they needed a convenient "excuse" to keep killing women - an activity they all secretly enjoyed.

Suddenly, Batman's compulsion to [[HighHeelFaceTurn get every moll he came across to reform]] takes on a new dimension of heroism. He wasn't being [[CondescendingCompassion condescending]] and/or sexist. Quite the opposite: he knew that all these women were having their basic human rights violated on a regular basis, and getting them out of a life of crime was the only surefire way to bring about true equality in Gotham (and save their lives, of course).




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[[folder:Adam West Series]]
[[WMG: In the 60's Batman series the three Catwomen were actually three different people]]
Given that three different women played her in the series this seems kind of likely. My thinking is that the Newmar Catwoman is the original and was active for some years until her DisneyVillainDeath in "Better Luck Next Time." She was very badly injured and laid up for some months, during which time the events of the Movie occurred. Given she was able to "impersonate" a Russian woman so well I wonder if Lee Meriwether's Catwoman actually was a Russian, a rogue Communist agent who looked enough like Catwoman to impersonate her and take part in Villain's four way scheme. Her motive was money but when the truth was discovered it was a huge embarrassment for the Russian's and she was thrown into jail where she is fighting deportation (to certain execution) and dodging the occasional agents of the Joker, Penguin, Riddler and of course Catwoman who are none pleased with being duped.

Following all this the Newmar Catwoman returned to crime in an attempt to restore her reputation and acted as Catwoman for most of Season two, however constant defeats and her injuries (as well as Batman's complete disinterest in her) led to her eventual final retirement during the gap between seasons. During this time she met the Kitt Catwoman a gifted thief and Criminal in her own right. Recognizing she could no longer remain active and not wanting a repeat of the recent fiasco she made an offer to Kitt, to let her take over the Catwoman role in exchange for a cut of the loot (The Newmar Catwoman having lost most of her ill-gotten gains due to constant imprisonment).

Kitt accepted and over the next few months established herself. While her skin color alone made it clear this wasn't the same Catwoman word soon got around the underworld that Kitt was Newmar's chosen heiress and she quickly proved herself a worthy successor. One condition the Newmar Catwoman laid down was no flirting with Batman, but luckily the Kitt Catwoman is not interested in him anyway, although she might be bisexual given some of her interactions with Batgirl.

The "Catwoman" in "The entrancing Doctor Cassandra" is the Meriwether one, still in jail after the United world fiasco. By this point the other major villain's have mostly given up caring about her, and she only joins in the breakout in the hope of getting away to a country with no extradition treaty (as as far from the other two Catwomen as possible). She's badly out of practice by this time and doesn't put up much of a fight when the plan goes pearshaped.

[[WMG: The real reason the 60s series hasn't been released on video? They can't afford it]]
It's so [[SoBadItsGood cheesy]] that they need to include a case of wine with every DVD.
** [[http://comicsalliance.com/batman-1966-classic-tv-series-home-video-release-warner-bros/ Is that so?]]

[[WMG: The Bat-Shark-Repellent is really...]]
Ground [[Series/{{QI}} stout-punching fish]]. Hell, it makes as much sense as anything else in that movie.

[[WMG: In the [[Series/{{Batman}} Adam West series]], Professor Mackelroy owes one of Tut's "Queens" child support.]]
Self-explanatory, really.

[[WMG: The Final Issue of Batman '66]]
* Will involve Batman joining the WesternAnimation/{{Superfriends}}, complete with Wendy, Marvin, and a Superman that looks like George Reeves.

[[WMG: In the '60s TV Series Universe, the Waynes Weren't Killed]]
Bruce Wayne is MUCH more well-adjusted in that series, and Gotham itself is a much nicer place. My thought is that while the mugging still happened, Joe Chill didn't kill Thomas and Martha Wayne, but merely wounded them with his gun. This still inspired young Bruce to want to fight crime, and further inspired his parents to use their fortune to help clean up Gotham and end most of the petty crime. This is what connected the Waynes to the Gotham Police Department (thus explaining the social connection between Bruce and Commissioner Gordon in the series). Meanwhile Bruce, while not insanely driven to become the ultimate ninja and detective, still found it a good idea to learn at least one form of martial arts, and went to the best colleges he could. Thomas and Martha died eventually, but not in a sudden, tragic way that would cause a breakdown. As for what inspired the bat theme? Maybe he grew to like them in his studies, or something.
* Jossed. In the first episode, Bruce clearly states that his parents were murdered.

[[WMG: The 1960s Gotham is a sociopathic NoWomansLand.]]
Ever notice that every time a guest villain comes back, he has a completely different gang? [[PunchClockVillain That's partly because all the henchmen are either freelancers who work for whichever villain will offer them the best deal, or they're guild members who contract with one villain after another on a temporary basis (we just didn't notice this because they were wearing different costumes while part of different gangs).]] But, then, why are the ''molls'' different? Can't any of these villains commit to a romantic relationship? The answer, of course, is no. No villain can stay in a relationship because he's always the one who ''ends'' the relationship - [[BastardBoyfriend violently]].

Every male villain we saw was a cold-blooded misogynist and considered the molls expendable. And why shouldn't they have? The molls usually weren't very intelligent, [[NeutralFemale couldn't fight]], and never did anything one of the male gang members couldn't have managed. After being captured and then escaping or being released from prison, the Joker, the Penguin, the Riddler, etc., each naturally concluded that the presence of the moll had compromised his plans, and so tracked her down and executed her as [[YouHaveFailedMe "punishment"]] for [[NeverMyFault "causing his defeat."]] So why did they [[VillainBall keep hiring new molls]], you ask? Well, their profiles of insanity also included sexual perversion and sadomasochism, plus they needed a convenient "excuse" to keep killing women - an activity they all secretly enjoyed.

Suddenly, Batman's compulsion to [[HighHeelFaceTurn get every moll he came across to reform]] takes on a new dimension of heroism. He wasn't being [[CondescendingCompassion condescending]] and/or sexist. Quite the opposite: he knew that all these women were having their basic human rights violated on a regular basis, and getting them out of a life of crime was the only surefire way to bring about true equality in Gotham (and save their lives, of course).



** Before the 70's & 80's the joker was supposed to wear make-up rather than have chemically dyed hair & skin.

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** Before the 70's & 80's the joker was supposed to wear make-up rather than have chemically dyed hair & skin.skin.

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23rd May '16 6:14:36 PM Anddrix
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** But I've seen Batman and ComicBook/LexLuthor together before, usually accompanied by Superman and SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker.
*** That was a robot duplicate, used to fool SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker

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** But I've seen Batman and ComicBook/LexLuthor together before, usually accompanied by Superman and SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker.
ComicBook/TheJoker.
*** That was a robot duplicate, used to fool SelfDemonstrating/TheJokerComicBook/TheJoker



[[WMG: SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker is the real hero of the DC Universe.]]

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[[WMG: SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker is the real hero of the DC Universe.]]
23rd May '16 6:04:17 PM Anddrix
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*** Not so. SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker can see Robin, as we find out in a one-shot issue where he's talking about Robin continuously coming back after he killed Jason. This could be a shared hallucination or two crazy people just playing off of each other's insanity, since Joker actively kills a Robin at least once. So this leads to the implication that the Joker isn't just crazy enough to see the fourth wall and lean on it, but he's also crazy enough to see other crazy people's hallucinations.

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*** Not so. SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker can see Robin, as we find out in a one-shot issue where he's talking about Robin continuously coming back after he killed Jason. This could be a shared hallucination or two crazy people just playing off of each other's insanity, since Joker actively kills a Robin at least once. So this leads to the implication that the Joker isn't just crazy enough to see the fourth wall and lean on it, but he's also crazy enough to see other crazy people's hallucinations.
29th Mar '16 11:17:59 AM ritzoreo
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The Joker is described in his fist appearance as a "master of disguise", yet the only time this is really seen is when he impersonates a fat Majarajah. So perhaps the white face, painted lips, and garish green wig '''are''' the disguise (and here FridgeLogic would kick in as ask why the police never thought to simply take a bar of soap and water to Joker's ugly mug). Notice that when Joker wore "normal" clothing it always hung oddly on him, showing CesarRomero's unpainted neck and wrists, thus bolstering the theory that the clown getup was just a gimmick to hide a handsome but troubled face. Showmanship? Trying not to shame his family? An already wanted criminal hiding in plain sight under greasepaint and a bad toupee? We'll never know why.

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The Joker is described in his fist appearance as a "master of disguise", yet the only time this is really seen is when he impersonates a fat Majarajah. So perhaps the white face, painted lips, and garish green wig '''are''' the disguise (and here FridgeLogic would kick in as ask why the police never thought to simply take a bar of soap and water to Joker's ugly mug). Notice that when Joker wore "normal" clothing it always hung oddly on him, showing CesarRomero's unpainted neck and wrists, thus bolstering the theory that the clown getup was just a gimmick to hide a handsome but troubled face. Showmanship? Trying not to shame his family? An already wanted criminal hiding in plain sight under greasepaint and a bad toupee? We'll never know why.why.
** Before the 70's & 80's the joker was supposed to wear make-up rather than have chemically dyed hair & skin.
27th Mar '16 9:49:25 PM dotchan
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* His other power is [[WhereDoesHeGetAllThoseWonderToys having exactly the correct Bat-gadget to deal with any situation]].
27th Mar '16 9:26:24 PM dotchan
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Given that three different women played her in the series this seems kind of likely. My thinking is that the Newmar Catwoman is the original and was active for some years until her [[DisneyVillainDeath]] in "Better Luck Next Time." She was very badly injured and laid up for some months, during which time the events of the Movie occurred. Given she was able to "impersonate" a Russian woman so well I wonder if Lee Meriwether's Catwoman actually was a Russian, a rogue Communist agent who looked enough like Catwoman to impersonate her and take part in Villain's four way scheme. Her motive was money but when the truth was discovered it was a huge embarrassment for the Russian's and she was thrown into jail where she is fighting deportation (to certain execution) and dodging the occasional agents of the Joker, Penguin, Riddler and of course Catwoman who are none pleased with being duped.

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Given that three different women played her in the series this seems kind of likely. My thinking is that the Newmar Catwoman is the original and was active for some years until her [[DisneyVillainDeath]] DisneyVillainDeath in "Better Luck Next Time." She was very badly injured and laid up for some months, during which time the events of the Movie occurred. Given she was able to "impersonate" a Russian woman so well I wonder if Lee Meriwether's Catwoman actually was a Russian, a rogue Communist agent who looked enough like Catwoman to impersonate her and take part in Villain's four way scheme. Her motive was money but when the truth was discovered it was a huge embarrassment for the Russian's and she was thrown into jail where she is fighting deportation (to certain execution) and dodging the occasional agents of the Joker, Penguin, Riddler and of course Catwoman who are none pleased with being duped.
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