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24th May '16 6:10:35 AM JiminysJournal
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[[folder: Upcoming Batman TV series]]

[[WMG: Catwoman will be a tragic Character]]
It is confirmed she will appear as a child in this, so they will give her an origin. This origin will make her a sympathetic future antagonist.
* Isn't she half the time anyway?

[[WMG: Gordon will lose his eyesight.]]
Thus he will need his iconic glasses.

[[/folder]]

[[WMG: In the 60's Batman series the three Catwomen were actually three different people]]
Given that three different women played her in the series this seems kind of likely. My thinking is that the Newmar Catwoman is the original and was active for some years until her DisneyVillainDeath in "Better Luck Next Time." She was very badly injured and laid up for some months, during which time the events of the Movie occurred. Given she was able to "impersonate" a Russian woman so well I wonder if Lee Meriwether's Catwoman actually was a Russian, a rogue Communist agent who looked enough like Catwoman to impersonate her and take part in Villain's four way scheme. Her motive was money but when the truth was discovered it was a huge embarrassment for the Russian's and she was thrown into jail where she is fighting deportation (to certain execution) and dodging the occasional agents of the Joker, Penguin, Riddler and of course Catwoman who are none pleased with being duped.

Following all this the Newmar Catwoman returned to crime in an attempt to restore her reputation and acted as Catwoman for most of Season two, however constant defeats and her injuries (as well as Batman's complete disinterest in her) led to her eventual final retirement during the gap between seasons. During this time she met the Kitt Catwoman a gifted thief and Criminal in her own right. Recognizing she could no longer remain active and not wanting a repeat of the recent fiasco she made an offer to Kitt, to let her take over the Catwoman role in exchange for a cut of the loot (The Newmar Catwoman having lost most of her ill-gotten gains due to constant imprisonment).

Kitt accepted and over the next few months established herself. While her skin color alone made it clear this wasn't the same Catwoman word soon got around the underworld that Kitt was Newmar's chosen heiress and she quickly proved herself a worthy successor. One condition the Newmar Catwoman laid down was no flirting with Batman, but luckily the Kitt Catwoman is not interested in him anyway, although she might be bi-sexual given some of her interactions with Batgirl.

The "Catwoman" in "The entrancing Doctor Cassandra" is the Meriwether one, still in jail after the United world fiasco. By this point the other major villain's have mostly given up caring about her, and she only joins in the breakout in the hope of getting away to a country with no extradition treaty (as as far from the other two Catwomen as possible). She's badly out of practice by this time and doesn't put up much of a fight when the plan goes pearshaped.

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[[folder: Upcoming Batman TV series]]

[[WMG: Catwoman will be a tragic Character]]
It is confirmed she will appear as a child in this, so they will give her an origin. This origin will make her a sympathetic future antagonist.
* Isn't she half the time anyway?

[[WMG: Gordon will lose his eyesight.]]
Thus he will need his iconic glasses.

[[/folder]]

[[WMG: In the 60's Batman series the three Catwomen were actually three different people]]
Given that three different women played her in the series this seems kind of likely. My thinking is that the Newmar Catwoman is the original and was active for some years until her DisneyVillainDeath in "Better Luck Next Time." She was very badly injured and laid up for some months, during which time the events of the Movie occurred. Given she was able to "impersonate" a Russian woman so well I wonder if Lee Meriwether's Catwoman actually was a Russian, a rogue Communist agent who looked enough like Catwoman to impersonate her and take part in Villain's four way scheme. Her motive was money but when the truth was discovered it was a huge embarrassment for the Russian's and she was thrown into jail where she is fighting deportation (to certain execution) and dodging the occasional agents of the Joker, Penguin, Riddler and of course Catwoman who are none pleased with being duped.

Following all this the Newmar Catwoman returned to crime in an attempt to restore her reputation and acted as Catwoman for most of Season two, however constant defeats and her injuries (as well as Batman's complete disinterest in her) led to her eventual final retirement during the gap between seasons. During this time she met the Kitt Catwoman a gifted thief and Criminal in her own right. Recognizing she could no longer remain active and not wanting a repeat of the recent fiasco she made an offer to Kitt, to let her take over the Catwoman role in exchange for a cut of the loot (The Newmar Catwoman having lost most of her ill-gotten gains due to constant imprisonment).

Kitt accepted and over the next few months established herself. While her skin color alone made it clear this wasn't the same Catwoman word soon got around the underworld that Kitt was Newmar's chosen heiress and she quickly proved herself a worthy successor. One condition the Newmar Catwoman laid down was no flirting with Batman, but luckily the Kitt Catwoman is not interested in him anyway, although she might be bi-sexual given some of her interactions with Batgirl.

The "Catwoman" in "The entrancing Doctor Cassandra" is the Meriwether one, still in jail after the United world fiasco. By this point the other major villain's have mostly given up caring about her, and she only joins in the breakout in the hope of getting away to a country with no extradition treaty (as as far from the other two Catwomen as possible). She's badly out of practice by this time and doesn't put up much of a fight when the plan goes pearshaped.
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*** Also, Ras Al Ghul brings Jason back to life. Wanting to have Bruce be the future head of the Demon would make him want Bruce to have a clear head, and so playing off of his delusions would not be part of his agenda. Not to mention that many other people can see Robin, and not just the Joker. This includes most characters in the series. Besides, who took over as Batman after the Final Crisis, and who founded the Teen Titans?

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*** Also, Ras Al Ra's al Ghul brings Jason back to life. Wanting to have Bruce be the future head of the Demon would make him want Bruce to have a clear head, and so playing off of his delusions would not be part of his agenda. Not to mention that many other people can see Robin, and not just the Joker. This includes most characters in the series. Besides, who took over as Batman after the Final Crisis, and who founded the Teen Titans?



[[WMG: The real reason the 60s series hasn't been released on video? They can't afford it]]
It's so [[SoBadItsGood cheesy]] that they need to include a case of wine with every DVD.
** [[http://comicsalliance.com/batman-1966-classic-tv-series-home-video-release-warner-bros/ Is that so?]]









[[WMG:Gotham isn't Franchise/TheDCU version of New York or Chicago. It's ''[[Creator/HPLovecraft Innsmouth]]''.]]
Either Innsmouth started out named Gotham in the DCU, or sometime around the mid-thirties, when the city began to grow larger (enough to encompass Arkham and Dunwich as well), the new city was officially called Gotham and Innsmouth, Dunwich, Arkham, etc. became just boroughs. This explains the dark, twisted nature of the city, its architecture, people, mad scientists... not to mention Arkham Asylum. Related theories:
* In the DCU, Nyarlathotep is named "Parallax".
** I, ElectricalLass, was going to say that Nyarlthotep is named "''Joker''" in the DCU, but the below WMG beat me to it
* Martha Wayne is descended from the line of the Carters (such as Literature/JohnCarterOfMars, [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos Randolph Carter]], etc).
* Killer Croc isn't mutated; he has a harsh version of the Innsmouth Look.
* No, Gotham is Arkham, which later grew to encompass other smaller towns; the resulting city got named Gotham.
** It probably started as Innsmouth, seeing how the heart of Gotham is near the ocean. It later spread out to near the inland Arkham, which is why Arkham Asylum is always depicted as being on outskirts of Gotham, away from the sea.
* Thomas Wayne got his MD at Miskatonic University.
* So what state would that make Gotham in? Rhode Island?
** Northeastern Massachusetts - Specifically Essex County.



[[WMG:Gotham isn't Franchise/TheDCU version of New York or Chicago. It's ''[[Creator/HPLovecraft Innsmouth]]''.]]
Either Innsmouth started out named Gotham in the DCU, or sometime around the mid-thirties, when the city began to grow larger (enough to encompass Arkham and Dunwich as well), the new city was officially called Gotham and Innsmouth, Dunwich, Arkham, etc. became just boroughs. This explains the dark, twisted nature of the city, its architecture, people, mad scientists... not to mention Arkham Asylum. Related theories:
* In the DCU, Nyarlathotep is named "Parallax".
** I, ElectricalLass, was going to say that Nyarlthotep is named "''Joker''" in the DCU, but the below WMG beat me to it
* Martha Wayne is descended from the line of the Carters (such as Literature/JohnCarterOfMars, [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos Randolph Carter]], etc).
* Killer Croc isn't mutated; he has a harsh version of the Innsmouth Look.
* No, Gotham is Arkham, which later grew to encompass other smaller towns; the resulting city got named Gotham.
** It probably started as Innsmouth, seeing how the heart of Gotham is near the ocean. It later spread out to near the inland Arkham, which is why Arkham Asylum is always depicted as being on outskirts of Gotham, away from the sea.
* Thomas Wayne got his MD at Miskatonic University.
* So what state would that make Gotham in? Rhode Island?
** Northeastern Massachusetts - Specifically Essex County.






[[WMG: The Bat-Shark-Repellent is really...]]
Ground [[Series/{{QI}} stout-punching fish]]. Hell, it makes as much sense as anything else in that movie.






** Ra's al-Ghul is occasionally cited as suffering from a type of insanity induced by the side-effects of the Lazarus pits having more lasting effects on him due to repeated use; they may be hoping that therapy can counteract this and make him a little more rational in his ecological aims.

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** Ra's al-Ghul al Ghul is occasionally cited as suffering from a type of insanity induced by the side-effects of the Lazarus pits having more lasting effects on him due to repeated use; they may be hoping that therapy can counteract this and make him a little more rational in his ecological aims.






[[WMG: In the [[Series/{{Batman}} Adam West series]], Professor Mackelroy owes one of Tut's "Queens" child support.]]
Self-explanatory, really.

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[[WMG: In the [[Series/{{Batman}} Adam West series]], Professor Mackelroy owes one of Tut's "Queens" child support.]]
Self-explanatory, really.









[[WMG: The entire Film/TheDarkKnightSaga was Ras Al Ghul's Magnificent Bastard attempt to redeem Gotham.]]

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[[WMG: The entire Film/TheDarkKnightSaga was Ras Al Ra's al Ghul's Magnificent Bastard attempt to redeem Gotham.]]



... Billy Baston. Think about it, he's a young orphan, but can turn himself into a figure who's as powerful as Superman. If he could just give him the reds & greens, evildoers wouldn't stand a chance in Gotham. Bane and Killer Crock would be on the floor crying and bleeding.

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... Billy Baston.Batson. Think about it, he's a young orphan, but can turn himself into a figure who's as powerful as Superman. If he could just give him the reds & greens, evildoers wouldn't stand a chance in Gotham. Bane and Killer Crock would be on the floor crying and bleeding.



* The reason why so many of Batman's villains are [[EvilCounterpart dark counterparts of themselves]] is because Bruce Wayne is trying to deal with his issues. Two-Face embodies his split personality disorder and feeling of victimization, Bane embodies his obsessive nature, the Scarecrow embodies his cruelty and Ra's Al Ghul embodies his hero complex. The Penguin, ironically, is a manifestation of his sanity-the kind of individual Bruce strives to be, but makes a villain because he refuses to give up being the Batman. The JokerImmunity is a result of Bruce remaining insane.

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* The reason why so many of Batman's villains are [[EvilCounterpart dark counterparts of themselves]] is because Bruce Wayne is trying to deal with his issues. Two-Face embodies his split personality disorder and feeling of victimization, Bane embodies his obsessive nature, the Scarecrow embodies his cruelty and Ra's Al al Ghul embodies his hero complex. The Penguin, ironically, is a manifestation of his sanity-the kind of individual Bruce strives to be, but makes a villain because he refuses to give up being the Batman. The JokerImmunity is a result of Bruce remaining insane.



[[WMG: The Final Issue of Batman '66]]
* Will involve Batman joining the WesternAnimation/{{Superfriends}}, complete with Wendy, Marvin, and a Superman that looks like George Reeves.



[[WMG: In the '60s TV Series Universe, the Waynes Weren't Killed]]
Bruce Wayne is MUCH more well-adjusted in that series, and Gotham itself is a much nicer place. My thought is that while the mugging still happened, Joe Chill didn't kill Thomas and Martha Wayne, but merely wounded them with his gun. This still inspired young Bruce to want to fight crime, and further inspired his parents to use their fortune to help clean up Gotham and end most of the petty crime. This is what connected the Waynes to the Gotham Police Department (thus explaining the social connection between Bruce and Commissioner Gordon in the series). Meanwhile Bruce, while not insanely driven to become the ultimate ninja and detective, still found it a good idea to learn at least one form of martial arts, and went to the best colleges he could. Thomas and Martha died eventually, but not in a sudden, tragic way that would cause a breakdown. As for what inspired the bat theme? Maybe he grew to like them in his studies, or something.
* Jossed. In the first episode, Bruce clearly states that his parents were murdered.



[[WMG: The 1960s Gotham is a sociopathic NoWomansLand.]]
Ever notice that every time a guest villain comes back, he has a completely different gang? [[PunchClockVillain That's partly because all the henchmen are either freelancers who work for whichever villain will offer them the best deal, or they're guild members who contract with one villain after another on a temporary basis (we just didn't notice this because they were wearing different costumes while part of different gangs).]] But, then, why are the ''molls'' different? Can't any of these villains commit to a romantic relationship? The answer, of course, is no. No villain can stay in a relationship because he's always the one who ''ends'' the relationship - [[BastardBoyfriend violently]].

Every male villain we saw was a cold-blooded misogynist and considered the molls expendable. And why shouldn't they have? The molls usually weren't very intelligent, [[NeutralFemale couldn't fight]], and never did anything one of the male gang members couldn't have managed. After being captured and then escaping or being released from prison, the Joker, the Penguin, the Riddler, etc., each naturally concluded that the presence of the moll had compromised his plans, and so tracked her down and executed her as [[YouHaveFailedMe "punishment"]] for [[NeverMyFault "causing his defeat."]] So why did they [[VillainBall keep hiring new molls]], you ask? Well, their profiles of insanity also included sexual perversion and sadomasochism, plus they needed a convenient "excuse" to keep killing women - an activity they all secretly enjoyed.

Suddenly, Batman's compulsion to [[HighHeelFaceTurn get every moll he came across to reform]] takes on a new dimension of heroism. He wasn't being [[CondescendingCompassion condescending]] and/or sexist. Quite the opposite: he knew that all these women were having their basic human rights violated on a regular basis, and getting them out of a life of crime was the only surefire way to bring about true equality in Gotham (and save their lives, of course).




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[[folder:Adam West Series]]
[[WMG: In the 60's Batman series the three Catwomen were actually three different people]]
Given that three different women played her in the series this seems kind of likely. My thinking is that the Newmar Catwoman is the original and was active for some years until her DisneyVillainDeath in "Better Luck Next Time." She was very badly injured and laid up for some months, during which time the events of the Movie occurred. Given she was able to "impersonate" a Russian woman so well I wonder if Lee Meriwether's Catwoman actually was a Russian, a rogue Communist agent who looked enough like Catwoman to impersonate her and take part in Villain's four way scheme. Her motive was money but when the truth was discovered it was a huge embarrassment for the Russian's and she was thrown into jail where she is fighting deportation (to certain execution) and dodging the occasional agents of the Joker, Penguin, Riddler and of course Catwoman who are none pleased with being duped.

Following all this the Newmar Catwoman returned to crime in an attempt to restore her reputation and acted as Catwoman for most of Season two, however constant defeats and her injuries (as well as Batman's complete disinterest in her) led to her eventual final retirement during the gap between seasons. During this time she met the Kitt Catwoman a gifted thief and Criminal in her own right. Recognizing she could no longer remain active and not wanting a repeat of the recent fiasco she made an offer to Kitt, to let her take over the Catwoman role in exchange for a cut of the loot (The Newmar Catwoman having lost most of her ill-gotten gains due to constant imprisonment).

Kitt accepted and over the next few months established herself. While her skin color alone made it clear this wasn't the same Catwoman word soon got around the underworld that Kitt was Newmar's chosen heiress and she quickly proved herself a worthy successor. One condition the Newmar Catwoman laid down was no flirting with Batman, but luckily the Kitt Catwoman is not interested in him anyway, although she might be bisexual given some of her interactions with Batgirl.

The "Catwoman" in "The entrancing Doctor Cassandra" is the Meriwether one, still in jail after the United world fiasco. By this point the other major villain's have mostly given up caring about her, and she only joins in the breakout in the hope of getting away to a country with no extradition treaty (as as far from the other two Catwomen as possible). She's badly out of practice by this time and doesn't put up much of a fight when the plan goes pearshaped.

[[WMG: The real reason the 60s series hasn't been released on video? They can't afford it]]
It's so [[SoBadItsGood cheesy]] that they need to include a case of wine with every DVD.
** [[http://comicsalliance.com/batman-1966-classic-tv-series-home-video-release-warner-bros/ Is that so?]]

[[WMG: The Bat-Shark-Repellent is really...]]
Ground [[Series/{{QI}} stout-punching fish]]. Hell, it makes as much sense as anything else in that movie.

[[WMG: In the [[Series/{{Batman}} Adam West series]], Professor Mackelroy owes one of Tut's "Queens" child support.]]
Self-explanatory, really.

[[WMG: The Final Issue of Batman '66]]
* Will involve Batman joining the WesternAnimation/{{Superfriends}}, complete with Wendy, Marvin, and a Superman that looks like George Reeves.

[[WMG: In the '60s TV Series Universe, the Waynes Weren't Killed]]
Bruce Wayne is MUCH more well-adjusted in that series, and Gotham itself is a much nicer place. My thought is that while the mugging still happened, Joe Chill didn't kill Thomas and Martha Wayne, but merely wounded them with his gun. This still inspired young Bruce to want to fight crime, and further inspired his parents to use their fortune to help clean up Gotham and end most of the petty crime. This is what connected the Waynes to the Gotham Police Department (thus explaining the social connection between Bruce and Commissioner Gordon in the series). Meanwhile Bruce, while not insanely driven to become the ultimate ninja and detective, still found it a good idea to learn at least one form of martial arts, and went to the best colleges he could. Thomas and Martha died eventually, but not in a sudden, tragic way that would cause a breakdown. As for what inspired the bat theme? Maybe he grew to like them in his studies, or something.
* Jossed. In the first episode, Bruce clearly states that his parents were murdered.

[[WMG: The 1960s Gotham is a sociopathic NoWomansLand.]]
Ever notice that every time a guest villain comes back, he has a completely different gang? [[PunchClockVillain That's partly because all the henchmen are either freelancers who work for whichever villain will offer them the best deal, or they're guild members who contract with one villain after another on a temporary basis (we just didn't notice this because they were wearing different costumes while part of different gangs).]] But, then, why are the ''molls'' different? Can't any of these villains commit to a romantic relationship? The answer, of course, is no. No villain can stay in a relationship because he's always the one who ''ends'' the relationship - [[BastardBoyfriend violently]].

Every male villain we saw was a cold-blooded misogynist and considered the molls expendable. And why shouldn't they have? The molls usually weren't very intelligent, [[NeutralFemale couldn't fight]], and never did anything one of the male gang members couldn't have managed. After being captured and then escaping or being released from prison, the Joker, the Penguin, the Riddler, etc., each naturally concluded that the presence of the moll had compromised his plans, and so tracked her down and executed her as [[YouHaveFailedMe "punishment"]] for [[NeverMyFault "causing his defeat."]] So why did they [[VillainBall keep hiring new molls]], you ask? Well, their profiles of insanity also included sexual perversion and sadomasochism, plus they needed a convenient "excuse" to keep killing women - an activity they all secretly enjoyed.

Suddenly, Batman's compulsion to [[HighHeelFaceTurn get every moll he came across to reform]] takes on a new dimension of heroism. He wasn't being [[CondescendingCompassion condescending]] and/or sexist. Quite the opposite: he knew that all these women were having their basic human rights violated on a regular basis, and getting them out of a life of crime was the only surefire way to bring about true equality in Gotham (and save their lives, of course).



** Before the 70's & 80's the joker was supposed to wear make-up rather than have chemically dyed hair & skin.

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** Before the 70's & 80's the joker was supposed to wear make-up rather than have chemically dyed hair & skin.skin.

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23rd May '16 6:14:36 PM Anddrix
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** But I've seen Batman and ComicBook/LexLuthor together before, usually accompanied by Superman and SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker.
*** That was a robot duplicate, used to fool SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker

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** But I've seen Batman and ComicBook/LexLuthor together before, usually accompanied by Superman and SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker.
ComicBook/TheJoker.
*** That was a robot duplicate, used to fool SelfDemonstrating/TheJokerComicBook/TheJoker



[[WMG: SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker is the real hero of the DC Universe.]]

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[[WMG: SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker is the real hero of the DC Universe.]]
23rd May '16 6:04:17 PM Anddrix
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*** Not so. SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker can see Robin, as we find out in a one-shot issue where he's talking about Robin continuously coming back after he killed Jason. This could be a shared hallucination or two crazy people just playing off of each other's insanity, since Joker actively kills a Robin at least once. So this leads to the implication that the Joker isn't just crazy enough to see the fourth wall and lean on it, but he's also crazy enough to see other crazy people's hallucinations.

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*** Not so. SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker can see Robin, as we find out in a one-shot issue where he's talking about Robin continuously coming back after he killed Jason. This could be a shared hallucination or two crazy people just playing off of each other's insanity, since Joker actively kills a Robin at least once. So this leads to the implication that the Joker isn't just crazy enough to see the fourth wall and lean on it, but he's also crazy enough to see other crazy people's hallucinations.
29th Mar '16 11:17:59 AM ritzoreo
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The Joker is described in his fist appearance as a "master of disguise", yet the only time this is really seen is when he impersonates a fat Majarajah. So perhaps the white face, painted lips, and garish green wig '''are''' the disguise (and here FridgeLogic would kick in as ask why the police never thought to simply take a bar of soap and water to Joker's ugly mug). Notice that when Joker wore "normal" clothing it always hung oddly on him, showing CesarRomero's unpainted neck and wrists, thus bolstering the theory that the clown getup was just a gimmick to hide a handsome but troubled face. Showmanship? Trying not to shame his family? An already wanted criminal hiding in plain sight under greasepaint and a bad toupee? We'll never know why.

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The Joker is described in his fist appearance as a "master of disguise", yet the only time this is really seen is when he impersonates a fat Majarajah. So perhaps the white face, painted lips, and garish green wig '''are''' the disguise (and here FridgeLogic would kick in as ask why the police never thought to simply take a bar of soap and water to Joker's ugly mug). Notice that when Joker wore "normal" clothing it always hung oddly on him, showing CesarRomero's unpainted neck and wrists, thus bolstering the theory that the clown getup was just a gimmick to hide a handsome but troubled face. Showmanship? Trying not to shame his family? An already wanted criminal hiding in plain sight under greasepaint and a bad toupee? We'll never know why.why.
** Before the 70's & 80's the joker was supposed to wear make-up rather than have chemically dyed hair & skin.
27th Mar '16 9:49:25 PM dotchan
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* His other power is [[WhereDoesHeGetAllThoseWonderToys having exactly the correct Bat-gadget to deal with any situation]].
27th Mar '16 9:26:24 PM dotchan
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Given that three different women played her in the series this seems kind of likely. My thinking is that the Newmar Catwoman is the original and was active for some years until her [[DisneyVillainDeath]] in "Better Luck Next Time." She was very badly injured and laid up for some months, during which time the events of the Movie occurred. Given she was able to "impersonate" a Russian woman so well I wonder if Lee Meriwether's Catwoman actually was a Russian, a rogue Communist agent who looked enough like Catwoman to impersonate her and take part in Villain's four way scheme. Her motive was money but when the truth was discovered it was a huge embarrassment for the Russian's and she was thrown into jail where she is fighting deportation (to certain execution) and dodging the occasional agents of the Joker, Penguin, Riddler and of course Catwoman who are none pleased with being duped.

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Given that three different women played her in the series this seems kind of likely. My thinking is that the Newmar Catwoman is the original and was active for some years until her [[DisneyVillainDeath]] DisneyVillainDeath in "Better Luck Next Time." She was very badly injured and laid up for some months, during which time the events of the Movie occurred. Given she was able to "impersonate" a Russian woman so well I wonder if Lee Meriwether's Catwoman actually was a Russian, a rogue Communist agent who looked enough like Catwoman to impersonate her and take part in Villain's four way scheme. Her motive was money but when the truth was discovered it was a huge embarrassment for the Russian's and she was thrown into jail where she is fighting deportation (to certain execution) and dodging the occasional agents of the Joker, Penguin, Riddler and of course Catwoman who are none pleased with being duped.
9th Mar '16 1:53:20 AM jormis29
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*** ...Series/TotallySpies?

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*** ...Series/TotallySpies?
''WesternAnimation/TotallySpies''?
25th Feb '16 12:35:49 PM VesperLord
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*** This theory makes the Injustice world very confusing... and metaphorical.
12th Feb '16 2:00:46 PM 10-13-2
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[[WMG: Jack Nicholson's Joker was destined to father the Beast of Revelation.]]
When the Joker asks about dancing wit the devil by the pale moonlight, that isn't just a catchphrase. Satan was at work behind the plot of the '89 film from the very beginning. He corrupted Lieutenant Eckhart Judas Iscariot-style (really, what need would that fat slob have had for all that extra money?), planted the seed of paranoia in Carl Grissom's mind, and disguised himself as Alicia in order to seduce Jack Napier to justify that paranoia. It was all in the service of setting up Napier's death in order to strike a deal with him in Hell (similar to Al Simmons's in '{{'Spawn}}'') to be allowed to return to Earth in exchange for helping the Prince of Darkness fulfill his master plan (with the "clown" disfigurement merely a bonus that wound up making the sacrilege a lot more fun). Vicki Vale was prophesied to be the mother of the Antichrist (note that her last name alludes to the "vale of tears" that the Virgin Mary is supplicated to rescue humanity from), and the Joker was to be the father. The helicopter at the end was to whisk them back to Axis Chemicals - satanic ground, for that is where Napier began the journey to the netherworld that granted him his powers - for the celebration of the Black Mass that would result in the conception of the Beast. (It wouldn't have worked in the cathedral for obvious reasons; that was merely where the Joker intended to romance Vicki in order to make her more compliant to the scheme.) Also notice how the Joker miraculously escapes being shot and bombed at the parade; that wasn't just JokerImmunity, but black magic protecting him so that he would fulfill the prophecy. Bruce Wayne was earmarked by the forces of good to thwart this apocalypse because of his father's (converted) Catholic faith and his tremendous physical and spiritual willpower.
13th Jan '16 2:12:00 PM HaggisMcCrablice
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Since her old origin wouldn't work, in this she's Bruce's daughter with a new version of Cain, who has undergone a RaceLift and GenderFlip.

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Since her old origin wouldn't work, in this she's Bruce's daughter with a new version of Cain, who has undergone a RaceLift and GenderFlip.GenderFlip.


[[WMG: The 1960's Joker wore makeup.]]
The Joker is described in his fist appearance as a "master of disguise", yet the only time this is really seen is when he impersonates a fat Majarajah. So perhaps the white face, painted lips, and garish green wig '''are''' the disguise (and here FridgeLogic would kick in as ask why the police never thought to simply take a bar of soap and water to Joker's ugly mug). Notice that when Joker wore "normal" clothing it always hung oddly on him, showing CesarRomero's unpainted neck and wrists, thus bolstering the theory that the clown getup was just a gimmick to hide a handsome but troubled face. Showmanship? Trying not to shame his family? An already wanted criminal hiding in plain sight under greasepaint and a bad toupee? We'll never know why.
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