History WMG / Bakuman

* [[spoiler: Chapter 167 confirms 3), at least the first part. And the public reaction is not very nice...]]

* [[spoiler: Chapter 166 confirms 3), at least the first part. And the public reaction is not very nice...]]

It'll become a pure ratings fight for an arc, ending with either a full-on deadlock, or Eiji becoming the top mangaka in JUMP and [[BeyondTheImpossible cancelling Bakuman himself using his one series cancellation reward]] for continuing after the main plot's been resolved.

* The closest this series has gotten to BreakingTheFourthWall is making a couple references to ''DeathNote''. It's one heck of a meta series, but not in such an ''Webcomic/OrderOfTheStick'' way.

Well, in both there's supernatural beings who went to humans world following their own interests. What inspired me was definitely [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bakuman/c158/10.html this page]]. This troper will bite his ear if it isn't Ryuk standing behing Schwarz...

* Well, there's not any evidence of it since that time (current chapter is 158), and her disease turned to be a bad case of cold or something, so... Keep your hopes up to later chapters, troper.

Well, in both there's supernatural beings who went to humans world following their own interests. What inspired me was definitely [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bakuman/c158/10.html this page]]. If it isn't Ryuk standing behing Schwarz...

* Well, there's not any evidence of it since that time (current chapter is 158), and her disease turns to be a bad case of cold or something, so... Keep your hopes up to later chapters, troper.

Due to the publishing schedule of Muto's two manga

With big revelations and a CliffHanger and the story will shift to a how we got there arc

[[WMG: With regards to Tanto, there are a couple of TakeAThirdOption choices available.]]
Firstly, they could induce massive amounts of CerebusSyndrome - it's easy enough to do with [[JustThinkOfThePotential a crazy inventor]] - and either they'll find their proper audience niche in time, or the thing will be mercifully canceled. Secondly, if I'm reading it correctly as a FailureIsTheOnlyOption episodic sort of thing, make a plot arc, as short as possible, that makes it so Tanto succeeds. (Though really, I think they'd do perfectly well with pure seinen. It's simply that Jump manga are more likely to become anime.)
* The latter of those two theories is more-or-less confirmed! Woot!

[[WMG: Nanamine will be the {{Big Bad}} of the series. Muto Ashirogi will write a new manga to challenge him, and after they score higher than him in the rankings, their series will get an anime and Bakuman will end. ]]

[[WMG: Azuki will not initially be cast as the heroine in the pair's Anime]]
{{Rule of drama}}

[[WMG: Azuki will be cast as the [[CrossdressingVoices main male character]] of PCP]]
You never know. She hasn't got much work as a female voice (as far as we can tell), so maybe she's better at boy voices.
* Aw, seemingly {{jossed}}. Oh well.

[[WMG: Azuki will face some struggles to get the part and result in another ethical dilemma]]
While we haven't seen as much about Azuki's efforts as we have of Ashirogi Muto's, she has had to overcome challenges and competition to progress toward her dream. It's likely that her obstacle will come in the form of 1)Her current assignment interfering with taking on a new role, 2)Her facing stiff competition for the series, and/or 3)Her relationship with Mashiro coming to light (Kawaguchi Taro's death was brought up in the decision to put Detective Trap on hiatus). Mashiro will most likely face an ethical quandary of whether he can (or should) push for Azuki being cast in the role, but Azuki will most likely say that this is something she has to earn herself.
* Relationships between voice actors and mangakas in real life aren't exactly uncommon. And based on how they handled the Drama CD bit, it doesn't look like there'll be a dilemma there.

[[WMG: Iwase is being set up for a major fall, similar to Nakai]]
It's possible that in her anger and desire to overcome Ashirogi Muto (particularly in the wake of [[spoiler:Miura replacing Hattori as her editor and PCP getting #1 in the polls]]), she might go against Miura's suggestions (partly the result of his developing toward giving the mangakas more creative control), and make a critical decision that results in her series being canceled, effectively being taught a lesson about her obsession (although whether or not she learns it is up to her.

[[WMG: In what might be the final arc of the series, Mashiro will run up against his parents' deadline of college graduation]]
His mother never completely gave up on wanting him to quit manga, only going along with it because of his father and grandfather. She might suggest that his series isn't doing well enough to live on, or that it won't be an easy matter to get another series after the first one, and Mashiro convincing her to let him continue might take more effort than before. Given that he's already in college, and not quite as close to getting serialized as he thought (he'd initially planned to get an anime by 18), it's possible that the [[ChekhovsGun deadline]] will come into play.
* {{Jossed}}, as in recent canon he has decided to drop out of college.

[[WMG: Kazuya Hiramaru is bipolar.]]
Think about it, he gets extremely depressed and lethargic for weeks unable to do almost anything without constant nagging, then something happens and he has so much energy that he more than makes up for time lost. He seems to get more Hypomanic episodes than Manic ones though. Also people with the disorder are very creative and Otters 11 is supposed to be one of the more unique mangas in the story.
* Seriously, people, stop playing armchair psychologist to fictional characters. Can't they just have character traits?
** Even in universe people notice he is strange and has problems. Although it does not really help that his editor likes playing with his soul to get him to write manga.

[[WMG:Miho is a genderbent Mashiro and Bakuman is really an elaborate 'get in touch with your feminine side' manga.]]
A friend pointed out how similar they look in [[http://www.mangareader.net/219-58595-2/bakuman/chapter-109.html this panel]] and I [[NightmareFuel cannot unsee]]. Also worth noting: Mashiro - S, A and R = Miho.
* Technically, it's Ma-shi-ro and Mi-ho (Iwase notices that the "A" in "A-shi-ro-gi Mu-to" is from Azuki's name), so the names wouldn't be very similar when written in Japanese.

[[WMG:Hiramaru's romance oneshot will be his next series]]
* Jossed, at least for now. Hiramaru's series didn't get serialized in the last meeting, while Aoki's and Nanamine's did.
** But later confirmed at the next serialization meeting.

[[WMG:The chauvinist subtext will be fixed]]
Look, the women in the story aren't getting anything done. At some point the authors have to notice that their manga is sexist. CrowningMomentOfAwesome ensues, in which the women will save the men from a desperate situation. Or there will be a women VS men manga battle situation, and the men will be overwhelmingly defeated and [[MadeASlave forced to become slaves]]. Or something.
* Aoki won first place with her romance oneshot, defeating even ''Eiji''. It's also a nice reversal of her fortunes, as she had been less able to write a romance for Jump without including a lot of fanservice.
* Aoki again, [[spoiler:her new series, "The Gift That God Gave" having it's first '''two''' chapters taking first in both the early and real deal results.]]

[[WMG:The mystery mangaka from chapter 115 is Moriya]]
We haven't seen much of him for a little while, and the snippets we saw fit his style: Very dark, almost too dark for Jump; and rather preachy (Tell a lie AND YOU DIE).
* Jossed; in Chapter 116, Mashiro checks the name, Toru Nanamine, and finds out that it's a boy who regularly sent fan letters for Detective Trap. Nanamine then appears in the next chapter.

[[WMG:The manga the main characters will write that will become an anime is the Bakuman manga itself.]]
If they think about it long enough, they may realize that their lives are interesting enough to be a manga and write Bakuman, causing an infinite loop just for the sake of it.
* Potentially going to be jossed, since the characters are gradually moving toward a "morally ambiguous" type of manga. Bakuman doesn't seem unusual enough to be a Takagi-style story.

[[WMG:Eiji Niizuma is the reincarnation of Kilgore Trout.]]
Eccentric-yet-undeniably brilliant artists with little regard for social etiquette? Check. Seemingly clairvoyant abilities to predict human nature and/or manga popularity? Check. Lifelong compulsion to simply '''produce''' work, with little importance to its actual popularity/social consequences? Check. Affinity for birds? Check, check, check.

* Interestingly, their talents are sort of opposite. Trout produced commercially unsuccessful, badly written short stories brought up only by their penetrating insights of human nature and society - almost all of which were published in pornographic magazines. Eiji, on the other hand, is a wildly successful mangaka who uses his mastery of sequential art to draw exhilarating, but completely shallow battle manga.

* This can be explained by Trout's disillusionment with society. Committing suicide (at one point, Vonnegut kept changing his mind) in the early 90's, around the time Eiji would have been born, Trout would have '''not reacted well''' to life beyond death, and choose to spend the next life as the what he couldn't have been in the previous... a wildly successful manchild.

* Also, both have been on the record to have attracted beautiful young women, despite showing no interest or compliance to any social norms (in a creepy way). However, Iwase does seem to fall for ''any guy'' who praises her ''at all'', so the validity is questionable...

[[WMG: The [=TOs=] are gunning for Miyano Mamoru like Saiko is gunning for Azuki.]]
Seriously, one of the characters has two voices: [[OuranHighSchoolHostClub "ditzy, shouty ham"]] and [[DeathNote "cold, calculating scorn."]] I can't think of any other seiyuu who fills those two roles so neatly.

[[WMG: All characters who are [[{{Expy}} Expies]] of DeathNote characters are based on the same people]]
There is some wierd guy who is an inspiration for Nizuma nad L, woman who looks like Iwase and Takada and some MagnificentBastard who was inspiration of Light and Nanamine. There was also some {{Gonk}} with bizarre hair that was source of inspiration for Hattori and Ryuk.

[[WMG: Kaya is pregnant]]
From the most recent New Year's party Saiko finds out that Shujin and Kaya are considering having children, though Shujin backs off on the idea after realizing that they might need more money before deciding to bringing a baby into the world. In chapter 130 Kaya gets a fever and it sticks even through chapter 131 (near the end of 130, it was suggested she was faking to skip the reunion when Shujin noticed Kaya made a sudden improvement). Cue Shujin asking her what she would do if they had a kid who started imitating PCP in response to the [[spoiler: PCP copycat robbing a bank]]. And just before he asks her she notes how she suddenly feels dizzy again. This troper has done her homework by checking the internet (and asking her nurse cousin); getting a fever is one of the possible symptoms of pregnancy, besides the common unusual cravings, nausea, and fatigue. It is a likely possibility that Kaya is indeed pregnant, especially since the couple considering the idea of raising a child has been brought up again. This troper sees this as an opportunity for the TO team to show how having a job in the manga industry affects family life, as juggling child raising and manga writing can get very challenging.

Plus this troper would think of this as an interesting and awesome plot development.

[[WMG: Mashiro and Takagi will ultimately be forced to take a break from manga for some reason or another]]
In chapter 113, Mashiro and Takagi look back on how they haven't necessarily had a normal young adulthood, and they should perhaps realize that it may be a few more years before they get an anime. In Chapter 130, Mashiro considers at what his classmates are doing and what while he is working hard on manga, and while he's satisfied working hard toward his dream, there's a part of him that feels left out. Perhaps if PCP gets canceled (by virtue of losing popularity or Eiji intervening) or goes on hiatus (if Mashiro and/or Hattori become concerend enough about how Takagi's faring), it might give him some him to enjoy himself a little, and it might give Takagi a chance to come up with an idea that will become popular and get an anime; they might take it the same way they took Detective Trap getting canceled, but ultimately see it as beneficial.
** I know I'm the last person with a right to point errors, with my terrible grammar, but that "[[ScrewYourself give him some him to enjoy himself a little]]" has totally made my day.

[[WMG: Eiji will use his right to cancel one series on PCP.]]
He's the kind of guy who would realise that Mashiro needs an anime to get married. As it is, PCP seems to be a series that will go on a long time. He's probably realised that Mashiro is trying for a second series, but he doesn't feel that the quality would be that good. By cancelling PCP he'd give them a blank slate to create an anime worthy manga. Alternatively, being ridiculously GenreSavvy having recognised that Mashiro has the eyes of a hero, he has cast himself as the villian and will act accordingly.
* {{Jossed}}

[[WMG: The manga that will take Eiji's first place at the last chance will be Aoki's]]
* {{Jossed}}

[[WMG: It will be a tie between Crow and PCP.]]
And true to manga rivals, Eiji will be a good sport and keep Crow running.
* {{Jossed}}

[[WMG: All the manga authors presented, or at least the most important ones, are based on actual Jump mangakas.]]
Since Mashiro and Takagi are [[AuthorAvatar Author Avatars]] for Obata and Ohba it's not a big stretch to assume this. To specify:
* Nizuma = EiichiroOda, being very popular mangakas with CrazyAwesome tendencies.
* Hiramaru = TiteKubo, the only reason he is successful is because his manga is [[PureAwesomeness inherently awesome]].
* Aoki = Mizuki Kawashita (creator of Ichigo 100%), as one of the very few female authors and one who writes fanservicey shonen romance.
* Fukuda... admittedly, I haven't figured out just yet who Fukuda is, though I'm strongly inclined towards the creators of Eyeshield 21.

[[WMG: The one-shot that isnt, will be a time-skip story]]
With big revelations and a CliffHanger and the story will shift to a how we got there arc

* The closest this series has gotten to BreakingTheFourthWall is making a couple references to ''DeathNote''. It's one heck of a meta series, but not in such an ''OrderOfTheStick'' way.

all of his methods are to distract us from the fact that he cannot write a manga. Draw yes, writing no;. He's never shown being able to do one without serious help.

Like Death Note

* {{Jossed}}

** [[spoiler: In fact, he used it [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled on Crow.]]

And true to manga rivals, Eiji will be a good sport and keep Crow running.

[[WMG: The manga that will take Eiji's first place at the last chance will be Aoki's]]

* {{Jossed}}