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* He's not really that bad a fighter. Though he doesn't have any weird powers, other than possibly his semblance (which he hasn't mastered and doesn't know) so he'd probably go down like any other huntsman.
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* He's not really that bad a fighter. Though he doesn't have any weird powers, other than possibly his semblance (which he hasn't mastered and doesn't know) so he'd probably go down like any other huntsman.huntsman.
[[WMG:The Brother Gods in this fic's universe are the same version from their previous fic appearances]]
It's implied by the Brothers in this fic that there's only one version of them for most if not all of TheMultiverse which includes all of Coeur's works. This troper hypothesizes that that is indeed the case when the Brothers appeared in ''Arc Royale'', ''Fanfic/{{White Sheep|RWBY}}'' and ''Fanfic/{{Relic of the Future}}'', and the reasons for their diverging characterizations are that there's an AnachronicOrder to their appearances from their POV and they're undergoing CharacterDevelopment with each appearance.
From the Brothers' perspective, their first chronological appearance is in the ''White Sheep'' universe. In this appearance; the God of Light is arrogant, hypocritical, HolierThanThou, and he insists that retaking his dominion over Remnant and ushering in his (less than ideal) idea of Paradise or otherwise "wiping the board" when mortalkind resists this is what's right -- the God of Darkness meanwhile is constantly shafted by his brother just like he was when they last ruled Remnant, and he's bitter about it. Both the Gods are at their most petty, childish and humanized comparative to their other appearances. To recap, their role in ''White Sheep'' ends with the God of Darkness being talked by the very mortals that they condescend into rebelling against the God of Light for his mistreatment -- at the end of it, Darkness discorporates Light, stating that Light will reconstitute after a thousand years have passed, and that when he does, the two Gods will be having words on forming a more equal balance between them. Darkness also in response to mortalkind's vital role in his victory over Light plays the part of a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, leaving Remnant in peace in exchange for continued worship from the inhabitants, instead of destroying the world as we know it. '''Here, the Brothers are at their youngest and least mature comparatively speaking.'''
''Arc Royale'' is the Brothers' second appearance from their POV: in this fic, they appear more detached and otherworldly, but they also appear to be on equal footing with each-other unlike they were in ''White Sheep''. They still don't see their mortal creations as anything more or less than an experiment that went off the rails and disappointed them, and they still don't understand why humanity won't behave the way that the Brothers expect them to in any of the hundreds of universes they've surveyed. The God of Light shows some new semblance of humility in his admittance that he's frustrated by not only his lack of control over humanity's shortcomings but by the fact that mortalkind have always assume having a loving and benevolent deity is a one-way street where the deity was never considered a flawed being that craved rewards for their love and sacrifices in turn. In the end, the cast persuade the Brothers to just leave their Remnant alone as it is, and go away to make something new that might satisfy them better on another world. '''This is occurring from the Brothers' POV after the God of Light reconstituted from the events of ''White Sheep'' and after he and the God of Darkness have had their words and struck up a more equal footing, humbling Light a little and making him self-reflect a little more.'''
And ''Relic of the Future'' is the Brothers' last appearance from their POV. In the last several chapters of ''Relic'', the characters speculate that a lot of the Brothers' JerkassGod behavior in Remnant's backstory comes from a relative lack of maturity at the time, and the Brothers have the potential to learn, grow and wizen up with experience and time. This interpretation is virtually confirmed in the fic's final chapter, when Jaune Ashari is returned to the BadFuture in his original native universe, and the God of Light (and possibly also his brother) personally speaks to Jaune through Jinn. The God or Gods' voice(s) confirm to Jaune that (A) they've outright admitted fault and apologized in person to the recently-deceased souls of the Salem and Ozma from Ashari's universe(s?) for the Brothers' past actions and misjudgments, (B) that they have no intention of reclaiming Remnant because they've grown to understand since they first abandoned it that it and its inhabitants are better off for their absence, (C) that they at first didn't think much of Ashari at all for accepting Salem's DealWithTheDevil at the fic's start, but as they watched him better many lives in the second timeline and accept the lesson that Salem never could, they realized that they misjudged him and were genuinely impressed by what he did with the second chance that he attained; and (D) they throw Ashari a bone before departing for good by alerting him to the BadFuture's Ruby being NotQuiteDead, ''after'' they've lightly encouraged Ashari to try and better the BadFuture that he's returned to instead of immediately ending his life there and then to await his loved ones from the second timeline in the multiversal afterlife. '''The Gods in this appearance show even more kindness, humility, understanding and self-awareness than in either of their above two appearances, and they've already acknowledged before they show up here that Remnant is better off if they stay away, meaning that from the Gods' chronology this is their final appearance in the Coeur multiverse.'''
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[[WMG:The Brother Gods in this fic's universe are the same version from their previous fic appearances]]
It's implied by the Brothers in this fic that there's only one version of them for most if not all of TheMultiverse which includes all of Coeur's works. This troper hypothesizes that that is indeed the case when the Brothers appeared in ''Arc Royale'', ''Fanfic/{{White Sheep|RWBY}}'' and ''Fanfic/{{Relic of the Future}}'', and the reasons for their diverging characterizations are that there's an AnachronicOrder to their appearances from their POV and they're undergoing CharacterDevelopment with each appearance.
From the Brothers' perspective, their first chronological appearance is in the ''White Sheep'' universe. In this appearance; the God of Light is arrogant, hypocritical, HolierThanThou, and he insists that retaking his dominion over Remnant and ushering in his (less than ideal) idea of Paradise or otherwise "wiping the board" when mortalkind resists this is what's right -- the God of Darkness meanwhile is constantly shafted by his brother just like he was when they last ruled Remnant, and he's bitter about it. Both the Gods are at their most petty, childish and humanized comparative to their other appearances. To recap, their role in ''White Sheep'' ends with the God of Darkness being talked by the very mortals that they condescend into rebelling against the God of Light for his mistreatment -- at the end of it, Darkness discorporates Light, stating that Light will reconstitute after a thousand years have passed, and that when he does, the two Gods will be having words on forming a more equal balance between them. Darkness also in response to mortalkind's vital role in his victory over Light plays the part of a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, leaving Remnant in peace in exchange for continued worship from the inhabitants, instead of destroying the world as we know it. '''Here, the Brothers are at their youngest and least mature comparatively speaking.'''
''Arc Royale'' is the Brothers' second appearance from their POV: in this fic, they appear more detached and otherworldly, but they also appear to be on equal footing with each-other unlike they were in ''White Sheep''. They still don't see their mortal creations as anything more or less than an experiment that went off the rails and disappointed them, and they still don't understand why humanity won't behave the way that the Brothers expect them to in any of the hundreds of universes they've surveyed. The God of Light shows some new semblance of humility in his admittance that he's frustrated by not only his lack of control over humanity's shortcomings but by the fact that mortalkind have always assume having a loving and benevolent deity is a one-way street where the deity was never considered a flawed being that craved rewards for their love and sacrifices in turn. In the end, the cast persuade the Brothers to just leave their Remnant alone as it is, and go away to make something new that might satisfy them better on another world. '''This is occurring from the Brothers' POV after the God of Light reconstituted from the events of ''White Sheep'' and after he and the God of Darkness have had their words and struck up a more equal footing, humbling Light a little and making him self-reflect a little more.'''
And ''Relic of the Future'' is the Brothers' last appearance from their POV. In the last several chapters of ''Relic'', the characters speculate that a lot of the Brothers' JerkassGod behavior in Remnant's backstory comes from a relative lack of maturity at the time, and the Brothers have the potential to learn, grow and wizen up with experience and time. This interpretation is virtually confirmed in the fic's final chapter, when Jaune Ashari is returned to the BadFuture in his original native universe, and the God of Light (and possibly also his brother) personally speaks to Jaune through Jinn. The God or Gods' voice(s) confirm to Jaune that (A) they've outright admitted fault and apologized in person to the recently-deceased souls of the Salem and Ozma from Ashari's universe(s?) for the Brothers' past actions and misjudgments, (B) that they have no intention of reclaiming Remnant because they've grown to understand since they first abandoned it that it and its inhabitants are better off for their absence, (C) that they at first didn't think much of Ashari at all for accepting Salem's DealWithTheDevil at the fic's start, but as they watched him better many lives in the second timeline and accept the lesson that Salem never could, they realized that they misjudged him and were genuinely impressed by what he did with the second chance that he attained; and (D) they throw Ashari a bone before departing for good by alerting him to the BadFuture's Ruby being NotQuiteDead, ''after'' they've lightly encouraged Ashari to try and better the BadFuture that he's returned to instead of immediately ending his life there and then to await his loved ones from the second timeline in the multiversal afterlife. '''The Gods in this appearance show even more kindness, humility, understanding and self-awareness than in either of their above two appearances, and they've already acknowledged before they show up here that Remnant is better off if they stay away, meaning that from the Gods' chronology this is their final appearance in the Coeur multiverse.'''
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* If he had survived, his alias would have been Jerusalem, which means City of Salem, in reference to the city of Jaunesville, which is named after him but ruled by Salem.
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* If he had survived, his alias would have been Jerusalem, which means City of Salem, in reference to the city of Jaunesville, which is named after him but ruled by Salem.Salem.
* He's not really that bad a fighter. Though he doesn't have any weird powers, other than possibly his semblance (which he hasn't mastered and doesn't know) so he'd probably go down like any other huntsman.
* He's not really that bad a fighter. Though he doesn't have any weird powers, other than possibly his semblance (which he hasn't mastered and doesn't know) so he'd probably go down like any other huntsman.
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With the ever growing amount of stories the author has been creating and the kind of story it is, the author may get around to doing a SelfRemake with even more Jaunes thrown into the mix and may even correct a few missed opportunities the story couldn’t do at the time.
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With the ever growing amount of stories the author has been creating and the kind of story it is, the author may get around to doing a SelfRemake with even more Jaunes thrown into the mix and may even correct a few missed opportunities the story couldn’t do at the time.time.
[[WMG: Fanfic/KnightOfSalem Jaune was also summoned]]
It's too weird for ''[[DistressedDude him]]'' not to get kidnapped when half the Jaunes in the multiverse ''were''. Unfortunately, he doesn't actually have that many fighting skills, so Null got him.
* If he had survived, his alias would have been Jerusalem, which means City of Salem, in reference to the city of Jaunesville, which is named after him but ruled by Salem.
[[WMG: Fanfic/KnightOfSalem Jaune was also summoned]]
It's too weird for ''[[DistressedDude him]]'' not to get kidnapped when half the Jaunes in the multiverse ''were''. Unfortunately, he doesn't actually have that many fighting skills, so Null got him.
* If he had survived, his alias would have been Jerusalem, which means City of Salem, in reference to the city of Jaunesville, which is named after him but ruled by Salem.
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One anchored to Ozpin, the other anchored to Ozma. The second Jaune is Headmaster.
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One anchored to Ozpin, the other anchored to Ozma. The second Jaune is Headmaster.Headmaster.
[[WMG: The story will eventually have a remake]]
With the ever growing amount of stories the author has been creating and the kind of story it is, the author may get around to doing a SelfRemake with even more Jaunes thrown into the mix and may even correct a few missed opportunities the story couldn’t do at the time.
[[WMG: The story will eventually have a remake]]
With the ever growing amount of stories the author has been creating and the kind of story it is, the author may get around to doing a SelfRemake with even more Jaunes thrown into the mix and may even correct a few missed opportunities the story couldn’t do at the time.
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* Fate ''tries'' to kill Ruby to get rid of Knight, but is stopped due to the intervention of Agent Rat. Even then, it would have been AllForNothing, as Knight had already died in a MutualKill with Grimm.
With Knight dead, there's no reason to target Ruby for that reason anymore, so that aspect is {{jossed}}.
With Knight dead, there's no reason to target Ruby for that reason anymore, so that aspect is {{jossed}}.
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* If Raise!Jaune ever appears in the story, Ruby's death would serve as a catalyst for his debut to immediately bring her back to life.
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* If Raise!Jaune ever appears in the story, Ruby's death would serve as a catalyst for his debut to immediately bring her back to life.life.
[[WMG: Oz has two iterations.]]
One anchored to Ozpin, the other anchored to Ozma. The second Jaune is Headmaster.
[[WMG: Oz has two iterations.]]
One anchored to Ozpin, the other anchored to Ozma. The second Jaune is Headmaster.
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** None of the above; Chapter 29 confirms his anchor to be Ozpin.
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* Confirmed by Chapter 28.
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** Weiss.
** Pyrrha.
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With everyone now aware of Knight's OneManArmy status, with both the willingness to walk into an ambush and the strength to come out of it without a scratch, Ruby's now priority number one as far as all non-Ozpin-aligned factions are concerned - including Fate. With Fate under suspicion at Beacon due to nearly dying to a bomb, and the narration setting him up for a FaceHeelTurn, he's likely going to leave the Beacon group with Ruby's death - and Knight's concurrent disappearance - serving as his resignation notice. Should that not occur, however, Ruby's still the biggest target for Cinder and likely Agent to kill.
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With everyone now aware of Knight's OneManArmy status, with both the willingness to walk into an ambush and the strength to come out of it without a scratch, Ruby's now priority number one as far as all non-Ozpin-aligned factions are concerned - including Fate. With Fate under suspicion at Beacon due to nearly dying to a bomb, and the narration setting him up for a FaceHeelTurn, he's likely going to leave the Beacon group with Ruby's death - and Knight's concurrent disappearance - serving as his resignation notice. Should that not occur, however, Ruby's still the biggest target for Cinder and likely Agent to kill.kill.
* If Raise!Jaune ever appears in the story, Ruby's death would serve as a catalyst for his debut to immediately bring her back to life.
* If Raise!Jaune ever appears in the story, Ruby's death would serve as a catalyst for his debut to immediately bring her back to life.
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While many including myself thought Fate was conspiring to do something behind the scenes the newest chapter confirms that Fate is under suspicion of VSS operatives in Beacon. There's a lot of hints throughout background details and his conversations that point out that he is in the background. This goes as far back as when deciding what his gimmick was with everyone other iteration introducing themselves. Hunter figuring out Fate when they went to the club and deciding to run when he killed Barista.
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While many including myself thought Fate was conspiring to do something behind the scenes the newest chapter confirms that Fate is under suspicion of VSS operatives in Beacon. There's a lot of hints throughout background details and his conversations that point out that he is in the background. This goes as far back as when deciding what his gimmick was with everyone other iteration introducing themselves. Hunter figuring out Fate when they went to the club and deciding to run when he killed Barista.Barista.
[[WMG: Ruby will die.]]
With everyone now aware of Knight's OneManArmy status, with both the willingness to walk into an ambush and the strength to come out of it without a scratch, Ruby's now priority number one as far as all non-Ozpin-aligned factions are concerned - including Fate. With Fate under suspicion at Beacon due to nearly dying to a bomb, and the narration setting him up for a FaceHeelTurn, he's likely going to leave the Beacon group with Ruby's death - and Knight's concurrent disappearance - serving as his resignation notice. Should that not occur, however, Ruby's still the biggest target for Cinder and likely Agent to kill.
[[WMG: Ruby will die.]]
With everyone now aware of Knight's OneManArmy status, with both the willingness to walk into an ambush and the strength to come out of it without a scratch, Ruby's now priority number one as far as all non-Ozpin-aligned factions are concerned - including Fate. With Fate under suspicion at Beacon due to nearly dying to a bomb, and the narration setting him up for a FaceHeelTurn, he's likely going to leave the Beacon group with Ruby's death - and Knight's concurrent disappearance - serving as his resignation notice. Should that not occur, however, Ruby's still the biggest target for Cinder and likely Agent to kill.
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* There's also the issue of him threatening Roman's life for the latter not especially caring if Ruby survives the war or not. They both know the rules of the war and know that a Jaune threatening their own anchor is a threat with no teeth because it would just kill them both, yet Roman was legitimately scared he was about to die.
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** The removal of Ozpin and Salem's curse, so they won't start another war after Professor Arc dies.
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** The removal of Ozpin and Salem's curse, so they won't start another war after Professor Arc he dies.
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** The removal of Ozpin and Salem's curse, so they won't start another war after Professor Arc dies.
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* Professor Jaune[[Fanfic/ProfessorArc Professor/Headmaster!Jaune]]
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*** {{Jossed}} by dint of him (supposedly) anchoring [[Fanfic/ProfessorArc Professor/Headmaster!Jaune]].
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Considering Ozpin is currently pulling out all the stops to ensure his faction wins the war it only makes sense that Salem do the same and come to Vale with an invasion force similar to the one she used against Atlas in Canon and Vacuo in Professor Arc. Cinder and friends are simply serving a role similar to what Watts and Tyrian did in canon.
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Considering Ozpin is currently pulling out all the stops to ensure his faction wins the war it only makes sense that Salem do the same and come to Vale with an invasion force similar to the one she used against Atlas in Canon and Vacuo in Professor Arc. Cinder and friends are simply serving a role similar to what Watts and Tyrian did in canon.canon.
[[WMG: Fate is working behind the scenes to kill the other Jaunes]]
While many including myself thought Fate was conspiring to do something behind the scenes the newest chapter confirms that Fate is under suspicion of VSS operatives in Beacon. There's a lot of hints throughout background details and his conversations that point out that he is in the background. This goes as far back as when deciding what his gimmick was with everyone other iteration introducing themselves. Hunter figuring out Fate when they went to the club and deciding to run when he killed Barista.
[[WMG: Fate is working behind the scenes to kill the other Jaunes]]
While many including myself thought Fate was conspiring to do something behind the scenes the newest chapter confirms that Fate is under suspicion of VSS operatives in Beacon. There's a lot of hints throughout background details and his conversations that point out that he is in the background. This goes as far back as when deciding what his gimmick was with everyone other iteration introducing themselves. Hunter figuring out Fate when they went to the club and deciding to run when he killed Barista.
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Including any of Coeur's stories that don't turn up, the Student of Vacuo AU of ProfessorArc, a couple of College Fool's stories, and some less of the ridiculous and more developed omakes. It isn't full League of Extraordinary Jaunetlemen, but it's up there.
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Including any of Coeur's stories that don't turn up, the Student of Vacuo AU of ProfessorArc, a couple of College Fool's stories, and some less of the ridiculous and more developed omakes. It isn't full League of Extraordinary Jaunetlemen, but it's up there.there.
[[WMG: Salem will personally come to Vale with the rest of her faction and an army of Grimm]]
Considering Ozpin is currently pulling out all the stops to ensure his faction wins the war it only makes sense that Salem do the same and come to Vale with an invasion force similar to the one she used against Atlas in Canon and Vacuo in Professor Arc. Cinder and friends are simply serving a role similar to what Watts and Tyrian did in canon.
[[WMG: Salem will personally come to Vale with the rest of her faction and an army of Grimm]]
Considering Ozpin is currently pulling out all the stops to ensure his faction wins the war it only makes sense that Salem do the same and come to Vale with an invasion force similar to the one she used against Atlas in Canon and Vacuo in Professor Arc. Cinder and friends are simply serving a role similar to what Watts and Tyrian did in canon.
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The end of his original fic effectively came out of nowhere; perhaps it was due to his wish being granted.
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The end of his original fic effectively came out of nowhere; perhaps it was due to his wish being granted.granted.
[[WMG: Lots of fics are in the story's multiverse, the gods just found them boring and didn't summon their Jaunes]]
Including any of Coeur's stories that don't turn up, the Student of Vacuo AU of ProfessorArc, a couple of College Fool's stories, and some less of the ridiculous and more developed omakes. It isn't full League of Extraordinary Jaunetlemen, but it's up there.
[[WMG: Lots of fics are in the story's multiverse, the gods just found them boring and didn't summon their Jaunes]]
Including any of Coeur's stories that don't turn up, the Student of Vacuo AU of ProfessorArc, a couple of College Fool's stories, and some less of the ridiculous and more developed omakes. It isn't full League of Extraordinary Jaunetlemen, but it's up there.
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** Roman. (Honestly not too sure about this one)
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** Roman. (Honestly not too sure about this one)one.)
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*** Confirmed'''Confirmed.'''
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*** Confirmed'''Confirmed'''.
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*** '''Confirmed.''' He tells Yang that he basically wants to escape the loop and live a normal life when she asks.
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*** Both '''confirmed'''. Chapter 10 additionally has him muse that he could wish for the Chivalric Arms to not exist, which would help even more people.
