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26th May '16 1:07:55 PM AutumnLeaves
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What's more, the last two deaths were purely Wargrave's luck. What if Vera hadn't managed to steal the gun? What if Lombard had killed her? Wargrave wouldn't have had a single chance against Lombard a strong man with a revolver. Or what if Lombard and Vera had realized neither of them could be the murderer? What if, after all, Armstrong's body was never washed out/never noticed?
27th Dec '15 6:40:01 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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[[WMG: [[VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi The Golden Witch Beatrice]] is the real culprit behind the events of the story.]]

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[[WMG: [[VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi [[VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry The Golden Witch Beatrice]] is the real culprit behind the events of the story.]]
15th Oct '15 8:12:16 PM Josef5678
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** Or, for a less extreme variant not requiring them to share a Verse, Jigsaw might simply have been a big AgathaChristie fan.

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** Or, for a less extreme variant not requiring them to share a Verse, Jigsaw might simply have been a big AgathaChristie Creator/AgathaChristie fan.
22nd Aug '15 7:05:26 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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[[WMG: Vera Claythorne and [[VisualNovel/HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi Shion Sonozaki]] are distantly related.]]

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[[WMG: Vera Claythorne and [[VisualNovel/HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi [[VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry Shion Sonozaki]] are distantly related.]]
18th May '15 3:21:01 AM erforce
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[[WMG: U.N.Owen is [[{{Saw}} Jigsaw]].]]

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[[WMG: U.N.Owen is [[{{Saw}} [[Franchise/{{Saw}} Jigsaw]].]]
19th May '14 10:43:01 AM Aeliren85
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[[WMG: Lawrence Wargrave was BornLucky.]]
Many of the discoveries of the other characters' crimes were discovered through pure luck, coincidence and being in the right place at the right time. Also, when he brought them all to the island, a storm came and happened, preventing them from leaving even if they were determined enough to try swimming across and preventing people from the mainland to come.

Additionally, after faking his death neither Lombard or Blore notice that there aren't any blood splatters where his brains should have been blown out, and Armstrong doesn't figure out that he's next on the list despite the next verse being "A red herring swallowed one". His confession letter, which he would have wanted found so people would have known that ''he'' would have made what was probably the crime of the century, was found against all odds despite having been thrown as sea. Really, what are the chances of that happening? Wargrave must have been one of the luckiest people on the planet.
12th Dec '13 12:55:38 PM SharleeD
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** Or, for a less extreme variant not requiring them to share a Verse, Jigsaw might simply have been a big AgathaChristie fan.
12th Nov '13 5:38:40 AM Gess
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** Jigsaw had apprentices. Who's to say he himself was the first to stage "the game"? Perhaps there's a decades- or centuries-long line of successive killers. So Jugsaw was either inspired by Owen or trained by his apprentice.
21st Jul '13 6:27:37 PM mifdsam
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*** Ratchet was more than just a child killer. First, the child killing in question, as in the Lindburgh (sp?) kidnapping case that inspired it, was a case of YouSaidYouWouldLetThemGo / ILied, whereas Vera's child killing was slightly less heinous since she was emotionally desperate and jaded by love. Second, Ratched's child killing started a domino effect that resulted in ''four other'' deaths. Third, and most importantly, Ratched was a mafioso who must have been responsible for a ''lot'' more deaths than just those five over the course of his life. Fourth, Vera is slightly off her rocker, whereas Ratched is a perfectly sane monster. Nonetheless, I don't think that Agatha Christie would have ever even ''considered'' the idea of Vera being the hero of any story: she seemed to have ''very'' passionate ideas along the lines of both HumansAreFlawed and some people genuinely deserve to be murdered, and I'm betting she liked the idea of writing a story in which ten people who otherwise were {{Karma Houdini}}s after committing the kinds of murder/manslaughter/DrivenToSuicide actions that easily go unpunished end up getting punished anyway. I'm not saying that she sympathized with Judge Wargrave either but she definitely wanted all the characters dead. You'll notice that in her revised version in which two characters live both of them are revealed to be innocent.

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*** Ratchet was more than just a child killer. First, the child killing in question, as in the Lindburgh (sp?) kidnapping case that inspired it, was a case of YouSaidYouWouldLetThemGo / ILied, whereas Vera's child killing was slightly less heinous since she was emotionally desperate and jaded by love. Second, Ratched's Ratchet's child killing started a domino effect that resulted in ''four other'' deaths. Third, and most importantly, Ratched Ratchet was a mafioso who must have been responsible for a ''lot'' more deaths than just those five over the course of his life. Fourth, Vera is slightly off her rocker, whereas Ratched Ratchet is a perfectly sane monster. Nonetheless, I don't think that Agatha Christie would have ever even ''considered'' the idea of Vera being the hero of any story: she seemed to have ''very'' passionate ideas along the lines of both HumansAreFlawed and some people genuinely deserve to be murdered, and I'm betting she liked the idea of writing a story in which ten people who otherwise were {{Karma Houdini}}s after committing the kinds of murder/manslaughter/DrivenToSuicide actions that easily go unpunished end up getting punished anyway. I'm not saying that she sympathized with Judge Wargrave either but she definitely wanted all the characters dead. You'll notice that in her revised version in which two characters live both of them are revealed to be innocent.
21st Jul '13 6:24:14 PM mifdsam
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*** Ratched was more than just a child killer. First, the child killing in question, as in the Lindburgh (sp?) kidnapping case that inspired it, was a case of YouSaidYouWouldLetThemGo / ILied, whereas Vera's child killing was slightly less heinous since she was emotionally desperate and jaded by love. Second, Ratched's child killing started a domino effect that resulted in ''four other'' deaths. Third, and most importantly, Ratched was a mafioso who must have been responsible for a ''lot'' more deaths than just those five over the course of his life. Fourth, Vera is slightly off her rocker, whereas Ratched is a perfectly sane monster. Nonetheless, I don't think that Agatha Christie would have ever even ''considered'' the idea of Vera being the hero of any story: she seemed to have ''very'' passionate ideas along the lines of both HumansAreFlawed and some people genuinely deserve to be murdered, and I'm betting she liked the idea of writing a story in which ten people who otherwise were {{Karma Houdini}}s after committing the kinds of murder/manslaughter/DrivenToSuicide actions that easily go unpunished end up getting punished anyway. I'm not saying that she sympathized with Judge Wargrave either but she definitely wanted all the characters dead. You'll notice that in her revised version in which two characters live both of them are revealed to be innocent.

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*** Ratched Ratchet was more than just a child killer. First, the child killing in question, as in the Lindburgh (sp?) kidnapping case that inspired it, was a case of YouSaidYouWouldLetThemGo / ILied, whereas Vera's child killing was slightly less heinous since she was emotionally desperate and jaded by love. Second, Ratched's child killing started a domino effect that resulted in ''four other'' deaths. Third, and most importantly, Ratched was a mafioso who must have been responsible for a ''lot'' more deaths than just those five over the course of his life. Fourth, Vera is slightly off her rocker, whereas Ratched is a perfectly sane monster. Nonetheless, I don't think that Agatha Christie would have ever even ''considered'' the idea of Vera being the hero of any story: she seemed to have ''very'' passionate ideas along the lines of both HumansAreFlawed and some people genuinely deserve to be murdered, and I'm betting she liked the idea of writing a story in which ten people who otherwise were {{Karma Houdini}}s after committing the kinds of murder/manslaughter/DrivenToSuicide actions that easily go unpunished end up getting punished anyway. I'm not saying that she sympathized with Judge Wargrave either but she definitely wanted all the characters dead. You'll notice that in her revised version in which two characters live both of them are revealed to be innocent.
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