History WMG / AndThenThereWereNone

25th Jul '16 7:09:22 PM benda
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* Lots of valid points here, but some contentious ones as well. As for Wargrave vs. Lombard - I still bet on the former because of surprise factor (Lombard, like Vera, wouldn't know that not everybody was dead). Of course, there would be no ropes in the rooms - just surprise attack (possibly even in the fasion of Blore's murder) and then hanging of unconscious body. And for Lombard and Vera to come to conclusion that no one of them could be the murderer seems rather outstretched, given all the conditions (note that they couldn't possibly be GenreSavvy as this book was practically a TropeMaker). Armstrong's body was pure luck - but the situation where already not quite sane Vera after some time steals the gun and shoots Lombard "just in case" wasn't unimaginable (though in that case it is doubtful she would return to the house where Armstrong could still lurk).

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* Lots of valid points here, but some contentious ones as well. As for Wargrave vs. Lombard - I still bet on the former because of surprise factor (Lombard, like Vera, wouldn't know that not everybody was dead). Of course, there would be no ropes nooses in the rooms - just surprise attack (possibly even in the fasion of Blore's murder) and then hanging of unconscious body. And for Lombard and Vera to come to conclusion that no one of them could be the murderer seems rather outstretched, given all the conditions (note that they couldn't possibly be GenreSavvy as this book was practically a TropeMaker). Armstrong's body was pure luck - but the situation where already not quite sane Vera after some time steals the gun and shoots Lombard "just in case" wasn't unimaginable (though in that case it is doubtful she would return to the house where Armstrong could still lurk).
25th Jul '16 7:08:30 PM benda
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* Lots of valid points here, but some contentious ones as well. As for Wargrave vs. Lombard - I still bet on the former because of surprise factor (Lombard, like Vera, wouldn't know that not everybody was dead). Of course, there would be no ropes in the rooms - just surprise attack (possibly even in the fasion of Blore's murder) and then hanging of unconscious body. And for Lombard and Vera to come to conclusion that no one of them could be the murderer seems rather outstretched, given all the conditions (note that they couldn't possibly be GenreSavvy as this book was practically a TropeMaker). Armstrong's body was pure luck - but the situation where already not quite sane Vera after some time steals the gun and shoots Lombard "just in case" wasn't unimaginable (though in that case it is doubtful she would return to the house where Armstrong could still lurk).
26th May '16 1:07:55 PM AutumnLeaves
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What's more, the last two deaths were purely Wargrave's luck. What if Vera hadn't managed to steal the gun? What if Lombard had killed her? Wargrave wouldn't have had a single chance against Lombard a strong man with a revolver. Or what if Lombard and Vera had realized neither of them could be the murderer? What if, after all, Armstrong's body was never washed out/never noticed?
27th Dec '15 6:40:01 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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[[WMG: [[VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi The Golden Witch Beatrice]] is the real culprit behind the events of the story.]]

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[[WMG: [[VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi [[VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry The Golden Witch Beatrice]] is the real culprit behind the events of the story.]]
15th Oct '15 8:12:16 PM Josef5678
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** Or, for a less extreme variant not requiring them to share a Verse, Jigsaw might simply have been a big AgathaChristie fan.

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** Or, for a less extreme variant not requiring them to share a Verse, Jigsaw might simply have been a big AgathaChristie Creator/AgathaChristie fan.
22nd Aug '15 7:05:26 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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[[WMG: Vera Claythorne and [[VisualNovel/HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi Shion Sonozaki]] are distantly related.]]

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[[WMG: Vera Claythorne and [[VisualNovel/HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi [[VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry Shion Sonozaki]] are distantly related.]]
18th May '15 3:21:01 AM erforce
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[[WMG: U.N.Owen is [[{{Saw}} Jigsaw]].]]

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[[WMG: U.N.Owen is [[{{Saw}} [[Franchise/{{Saw}} Jigsaw]].]]
19th May '14 10:43:01 AM Aeliren85
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[[WMG: Lawrence Wargrave was BornLucky.]]
Many of the discoveries of the other characters' crimes were discovered through pure luck, coincidence and being in the right place at the right time. Also, when he brought them all to the island, a storm came and happened, preventing them from leaving even if they were determined enough to try swimming across and preventing people from the mainland to come.

Additionally, after faking his death neither Lombard or Blore notice that there aren't any blood splatters where his brains should have been blown out, and Armstrong doesn't figure out that he's next on the list despite the next verse being "A red herring swallowed one". His confession letter, which he would have wanted found so people would have known that ''he'' would have made what was probably the crime of the century, was found against all odds despite having been thrown as sea. Really, what are the chances of that happening? Wargrave must have been one of the luckiest people on the planet.
12th Dec '13 12:55:38 PM SharleeD
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** Or, for a less extreme variant not requiring them to share a Verse, Jigsaw might simply have been a big AgathaChristie fan.
12th Nov '13 5:38:40 AM Gess
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** Jigsaw had apprentices. Who's to say he himself was the first to stage "the game"? Perhaps there's a decades- or centuries-long line of successive killers. So Jugsaw was either inspired by Owen or trained by his apprentice.
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