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15th Dec '17 6:15:37 PM Phoenixion
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[[WMG:Mack will die in this season, or at least be teased to die]]
He has declared that he will retire once they returned, [[{{Retirony}} which is probably not the wisest idea to say in a tight situation like this]]. The trope BlackDudeDiesFirst may or may not be played straight.

13th Dec '17 4:48:55 AM GrigorII
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[[WMG: The station, and its overlords, exist in a timeline where the Avengers lost Operation: Galactic Storm.]]
Or one where the Infinity War against Thanos went very, ''very'' badly. Because the shot of what's left of the Earth, from the trawler, looks a whole lot like that shot of the Earth shattering in the [[https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/6754745.html famous What If issue 2-parter]]. That explains why the Kree have swept in and enslaved what was left of humanity, as well, with their expansionist Empire.
* We are given a who did it, we just need the why.

[[WMG: The team are stuck in another simulation.]]
Everything about this two-parter seems suspect, between the Man in Black to Fitz's absence. Firstly, the Man in Black seen at the end of "World's End" kidnapping the team is given far too much screentime to be mere coincidence; including shots of him swimming, with barely any expression on his face; shots of him showering, including him removing his ''skin'' to reveal a bipedal alien of unknown species; and a shot of his fridge, stocked to the brim with Coconut Water. Secondly, Mr Coconut kidnaps everyone except Fitz, claiming he ''isn't on the list''. Third, as we discover in the second half of the episode, is the fact that a monolith exists that can throw people into the future.

So why does this seem suspect? Firstly there is Virgil, the self-proclaimed ''Greeting Party'' who meets up with the team, sans Daisy. He gives Coulson info on the ship, including the hint that they are there to save humanity and he knows everything about them. However, he gets offed by a Roach, a creature he referred to as a 'glitch in the plan'. Roach, Glitch, '''Bug'''? As in ''bug in the system, or glitch in the software''? Second is the exclusion of Fitz, who was one of the architects of the Framework. He would have known instantly that something was up, and could break the team out of their confinement. Instead, he is left on his own, and in the final scenes to the first part, a message from Fitz, ''Working on it...'' is seen on a postcard. He could have hacked the software to deliver a message the programmers wouldn't see.

Next is the issue with time travel in the show. Why would a being like Mr Coconut send them to the future? For that matter, how could he have known that they would end up there, and that they would be the 'saviors of humanity'? There is also the fact that the supposed 'cause' of the destruction of Earth being Quake stops applying once you remove her from the present time. Since she isn't there to cause the quake, the Earth should be fine, '''unless''' they make it back to the present to cause said future in the first place. Also, the only way Coconut would know what is on the other side of the monolith is if someone had come back through, but because it didn't have a fixed exit point there is no known way for that information to return to the present via the monolith. In other words, there is a situation where a being with no motive throws people into a time slip into the future, where they just so happen to be the exact people needed to help, all without giving them any information on what they actually need to do.

Lastly is the timing of the abduction. Coconut uses a device to freeze the team in place, presumably to prevent them from resisting, when in actuality it is to get them to their destination without them seeing where it is. However, the time he gives for his team until the effect wear off (two minutes) seems far too short for the travel from the diner to the monolith base. The loading/ unloading process alone would eat up most of that time. Also, the team gasps for breath after being unfrozen, as if all vital functions had been suspended, '''including brain activity and breathing'''. They went from the diner to the monolith in a split second from their perspective, since none of them remember it. Or maybe none of them remember because they were plugged in to a server, all came online at the same time, and then thrown into the scenario given to them - something just plausible enough not to arouse suspicion unlike the last version of the Framework.

Oh, and the title of the Episode, Orientation? Another way of saying 'showing the ropes', 'guided tour', 'welcoming ceremony', ''Tutorial''.
* It's an interesting simulation inside a simulation for Daisy.
* Added evidence: Coulson switched to a basic prosthetic before going to the diner. After the Monolith, Coulson has ''two working hands.''
** How is that necessarily "evidence"? Even Coulson's early prosthetics could operate physically, even if he had trouble doing up his ties. It could just as easily be a PlotDevice for two purposes: firstly to ensure that Coulson is [[{{Depower}} deprived]] of all his cool technological abilities, and secondly to justify why his prosthetic hand doesn't run out of battery power over the course of [[StoryArc however many episodes]] the team is stuck in space.
9th Dec '17 1:15:58 AM Tuvok
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[[WMG: Flint will undergo Terrigenesis and become inhuman ]]
It might be a forgone conclusion considering his comic counterpart. But with the revelation that on the 18th birthday that humans are exposed to Terrigan. It makes sense that Flint will become inhuman, also he could end up under mentorship with Daisy as the Kree will keep trying to find out his abilities but run into a brick wall, because Flintís ability is Earth Manipulation and there is distinct lack of Earth on a space station.

4th Dec '17 7:06:38 AM ShadowWingLG
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[[WMG: It wasn't Daisy that destroyed Earth, it was the Kree]]
Think about it, of the races that know of Earth and if the destruction of the planet was post Infinity War, we should have Xandar, and Asgard (what's left of them that is) with connections to the planet. But it's the KREE who are not the nicest species around who come in and 'save the day' for Humanity? And showing up soon enough to make a difference? The fact they are systematically destroying all historical records adds to this, they aren't trying to give Humanity a fresh start...they are destroying the evidence.
4th Dec '17 1:14:12 AM Sir_Chaos_Omega
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[[WMG: It was not [[Spoiler: Daisy who destroyed Earth]] it was Thanos]]

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[[WMG: It was not [[Spoiler: Daisy who destroyed Earth]] Earth it was Thanos]]
4th Dec '17 1:13:05 AM Sir_Chaos_Omega
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[[WMG: The team is on a sort of prison ship that abducted humans years ago]]

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[[WMG: It was not [[Spoiler: Daisy who destroyed Earth]] it was Thanos]]
The Avengers lost the Infinity War or even won it though at the cost to Earth forcing S.H.I.E.L.D. to figure out a way to make sure that the Avengers succeed in defeating Thanos AND saving Earth.
* Alternatively it was Daisy who destroyed the Earth but did so while taking down Thanos.

[[WMG: The Guardians of the Galaxy will appear]]
However considering this season takes place in the future it won't be the
team is from the films but their successors.

[[WMG: Coulson will get his hands
on a sort of prison ship Cap's shield]]
With the characters in the future and the Avengers long dead (likely including Thor given
that abducted humans years ago]]he has not freed humanity from the Kree) this is a great opportunity to bring in things that they never could have done before like Captain America's Vibrainium shield.

[[WMG: Dove Cameron's character is related to Coulson]]
Either as his illegitimate daughter he never knew about in the present or a direct descendant of his in the future.
3rd Dec '17 2:27:41 PM PrincessSolarFlare
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The absence of Bobbie will be HandWaved by having Hunter say that they split up for their own good and that she's living somewhere remote to avoid detection and capture.

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The absence of Bobbie Bobbi will be HandWaved by having Hunter say that they split up for their own good and that she's living somewhere remote to avoid detection and capture.
2nd Dec '17 10:05:05 PM BoukenDutch
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*They are in the future, in a time the Infinity War presumably already took place, so this theory is probably jossed. Unless it's revealed later that the infinity war is what truly destroyed the Earth, and the team has to SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong, resulting in a new version of the infinity war; the version we will see in the next 2 Avengers movies.

1st Dec '17 8:24:07 PM Dr.XXX
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* Confirmed.
28th Nov '17 7:02:47 AM BJV
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[[WMG: Fitz will recruit Hunter to help him in his search for the team]]
The absence of Bobbie will be HandWaved by having Hunter say that they split up for their own good and that she's living somewhere remote to avoid detection and capture.

[[WMG: The team is on a sort of prison ship that abducted humans years ago]]
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