History VoodooShark / DragonBall

*** During the Goku Black arc, the titular Goku Black is able to get stronger as he fights the heroes, something the story implies is because of a combination of getting used to Goku's body, but also getting stronger as he fights due to the injuries he sustains, a call-back to the Saiyan's innate power to recover from injuries and become stronger. Since this ability had largely gone unused since the end of the Frieza arc in the original series, some felt this was strange that this power would suddenly reappear. The manga adaptation of the arc attempted to address this by having Future Trunks theorize that there must be a limit to how much power a Saiyan can unlock this way, hence why Goku Black was getting more powerful while the others weren't. The issue is that it doesn't make sense that the Saiyan's would just have an arbitrary limit their body can improve, seeing at it is basically a generic superpower (since Gohan, a Half-Saiyan, has the ability too). Furthermore, Goku Black is actually a Zamasu from another timeline who took Goku's body, meaning he would have taken over the body of a Goku who should have reached said limit, and yet he improves thanks to being beaten up. Worse, since the manga also implies that part of Goku Black's increasing power was because he was adjusting to Goku's body, the whole "body limit" explanation is completely pointless since there already was a perfectly fine explanation being used. Plus the series has originally somewhat written around this by having almost all the foes introduced after Frieza become stronger faster than the heroes could keep up, but this new explanation now makes the power seem less like a genetic power, and instead like some magical ability that sometimes works.

* Goten and Trunks were able to achieve Super Saiyan at a young age with no explanation originally. For years this confused people, and it reared its head again with ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' and the ability for Saiyans of the Universe 6 to turn Super Saiyan too. Officially, Toriyama would explain that all Saiyans have cells in them called S-Cells that are what allows a Saiyan to achieve the form. However, this raises several questions. Why do Half-Saiyans have greater amounts of S-Cells? Why does being more gentle seem to raise the amount of S-Cells one has? Why would intense emotions be the trigger to cause the form? In addition, why would focusing your energy into your back as people like Caulifla do be able to work? It's generally agreed that Toriyama made it up to handwave why the two could become Super Saiyans at a young age. It should be noted that this is actually a [[FranchiseOriginalSin carry over from the manga]] where Future Trunks, Gohan, and Vegeta ''all'' seemingly earn their transformations off screen without any explanation (in the two's case, it was brushed aside as they "trained") and no emotion connected to it.

** Even if Trunks was able to open up Tapion's box with strength alone, the ensuing havoc that would have been wreaked by Hoi and Hirudegarn would've absolutely caught the attention of the Androids. But since 17 and 18 are nowhere near SSJ3 Goku's level, there's no way they would've been able to survive the fight either.

* The NonSerialMovie ''Anime/WrathOfTheDragon'' gives a possible origin for [[FutureBadass Future Trunks]]'s sword, by having CanonForeigner Tapion give the present Trunks his sword at the end of the movie. It's a touching scene...that makes basically no sense with what we know about Future Trunks. For one, Tapion's sword was a magic sword meant to slay a monster strong enough to trounce the post-Buu cast, but Future Trunks's sword was explicitly shown to be a completely normal sword, and outright broke in at least one fight prior to then against far weaker opponents. It also implies that Future Trunks had a similar encounter with his version of Tapion and the film's villain, [[GenericDoomsdayVillain Hirudegarn]], prior to showing up in the series, but Future Trunks was far weaker than Hirudegarn and would have been squished like a bug by it, and it raises the question of why he didn't tell the Z-Warriors about it. More importantly, he wouldn't have been able to open the box to release Tapion at all without the Dragon Balls. The only way to make it jibe with canon is to say that Tapion and Future Trunks's swords are different swords, and they just look identical by complete coincidence, which makes the entire thing pointless.

*** To explain why Vegito defused back in ''Z'', rather than saying something about Majin Buu's being causing the fusion to split, Gowasu explains that the Potara Fusion has a one hour time limit, and is only permanent when a Supreme Kai is involved. The VoodooShark comes in is the manga where Toyotaro has an additional rule that only officially promoted Supreme Kai's are permanent. The issue is that, while the Kai's having some kind of process to promote one of their own isn't an issue, the earrings magically knowing if someone is an "official" Supreme Kai seems like an out of no where reason compared to the anime where it is treated as just being something about the Kai's as a race of beings that makes them special. While the Kai's basically use magic and godly power, how would the earrings just know the person holding it is an "official" Supreme Kai or not, and why would they allow this kind of rule to exist? Zamasu even states in the manga that it was mainly a title, yet he isn't considered one by the earrings, despite having been in training to become one, so unless there is some kind of ritual involved[[note]]Weirder still; the manga has Future Trunks be revealed to have been named a Supreme Kai before his timeline's Shin was killed fighting Dabura, but Trunks is shown having no idea he was made one, so while there ''is'' something that seems to allow for one to be appointed, it isn't given further explanation, and somehow can be done without another person knowing about it.[[/note]], it doesn't make sense for Supreme Kai's to have such a hard rule about their powers. Plus, this rule is made unnecessary, because Fused Zamasu manages to remain a fused being anyway, because his base fusees are the same person, so having him defuse ended up being unnecessary except to make sure the arc ends with Future Zen'o erasing the timeline from existing like in the anime.

*** To explain why Vegito defused back in ''Z'', rather than saying something about Majin Buu's being causing the fusion to split, Gowasu explains that the Potara Fusion has a one hour time limit, and is only permanent when a Supreme Kai is involved. The VoodooShark comes in is the manga where Toyotaro has an additional rule that only officially promoted Supreme Kai's are permanent. The issue is that, while the Kai's having some kind of process to promote one of their own isn't an issue, the earrings magically knowing if someone is an "official" Supreme Kai seems like an out of no where reason compared to the anime where it is treated as just being something about the Kai's as a race of beings that makes them special. While the Kai's basically use magic and godly power, how would the earrings just know the person holding it is a Supreme Kai or not, and why would they allow this kind of rule to exist? Zamasu even states in the manga that it was mainly a title, yet he isn't considered one by the earrings, despite having been in training to become one, so unless there is some kind of ritual involved[[note]]Weirder still; the manga has Future Trunks be revealed to have been named a Supreme Kai before his timeline's Shin was killed fighting Dabura, but Trunks is shown having no idea he was made one, so while there ''is'' something that seems to allow for one to be appointed, it isn't given further explanation, and somehow can be done without another person knowing about it.[[/note]], it doesn't make sense for Supreme Kai's to have such a hard rule about their powers. Plus, this rule is made unnecessary, because Fused Zamasu manages to remain a fused being anyway, because his base fusees are the same person, so having him defuse ended up being unnecessary except to make sure the arc ends with Future Zen'o erasing the timeline from existing like in the anime.

*** To explain why Vegito defused back in ''Z'', rather than simply saying something about Majin Buu causing the fusion to split, Gowasu explains that the Potara Fusion has a one hour time limit, and is only permanent when a Supreme Kai is involved. The VoodooShark comes in is the manga where an additional rule is that only officially promoted Supreme Kai's are permanent. The issue is that, while the Kai's having some kind of process to promote one of their own isn't unrealistic, the fact the earrings can magically know that a person is a Supreme Kai or not seems like an out of no where reason compared to simply the Supreme Kai's being able to by default have the unique make up like the anime presents. While the Kai's basically use magic, how would the earrings just know the person holding it is a Supreme Kai or not, and why would they allow this kind of rule to exist? Furthermore, Zamasu even states in the manga that it was mainly a title, yet isn't considered one despite having been in training, so unless there is some kind of ritual involved (which is never confirmed), it doesn't make sense why the earrings have this rule. Plus, this detail is completely unnecessary, since Fused Zamasu manages to remain a fused being anyway because his base fusees are the same person, so having him defuse ended up being unnecessary except to justify him splitting into clones.

*** To explain why Vegito defused back in ''Z'', rather than simply saying something about Majin Buu causing the fusion to split, Gowasu explains that the Potara Fusion has a one hour time limit, and is only permenant when a Supreme Kai is involved. The VoodooShark comes in is the manga where an additional rule is that only officially promoted Supreme Kai's are permeant. The issue is that, while the Kai's having some kind of process to promote one of their own isn't unrealistic, the fact the earrings can magically know that a person is a Supreme Kai or not seems like an out of no where reason compared to simply the Supreme Kai's being able to by default have the unique make up like the anime presents. While the Kai's basically use magic, how would the earrings just know the person holding it is a Supreme Kai or not, and why would they allow this kind of rule to exist? Furthermore, Zamasu even states in the manga that it was mainly a title, yet isn't considered one despite having been in training, so unless there is some kind of ritual involved (which is never confirmed), it doesn't make sense why the earrings have this rule. Plus, this detail is completely unnecessary, since Fused Zamasu manages to remain a fused being anyway because his base fusees are the same person, so having him defuse ended up being unnecessary except to justify him splitting into clones.

*** To explain why Android 17 had become so strong since his last appearance in the original series
[[note]]When Android 17 was last shown fighting in the original series, he was about as strong as Piccolo who had fused with Kami, both of whom were weaker than Imperfect Cell during his final appearance. In ''Super'', he is strong enough that he can hold his own against Super Saiyan Blue Goku, making it one of the largest leaps in raw power the series has had.[[/note]], Toyotaro has 17 reveal that the Cell Jrs made back in the original series had survived, and he'd essentially taken them with him, domesticated them, and basically used them to train and get stronger. Although this would at least be a reason how he got that strong, this creates more questions, because the Cell Jrs were always implied, no matter the adaptation, to have been killed by Gohan. Even if they could have regenerated, the fact they aren't shown doing so, Cell is shocked Gohan defeated them so easily, and they are never referenced again after, makes it clear Gohan flat out kills them. If a single one survived, why didn't it show up and attack Gohan when he fought Cell; a single one surviving all but guarantees Cell's victory since it could have stopped the heroes from helping Gohan in his beam clash with Cell. Plus it doesn't make sense 17 could do that, when the Cell Jrs were so much more powerful than him, that he would have easily been killed by them if they wanted. Even if all of this is possible, why doesn't 17 suggest bringing one to join in the Tournament, when a single Cell Jr, though not as strong as Cell, is basically going to be stronger than all three human characters combined? There also is the issue of how 17 became so strong, since it doesn't explain how he could become that strong from training them given how much stronger they are than he was.

*** When Android 17 returned for the Tournament of Power arc, he had become significantly stronger, able to match (while both held back) Super Saiyan Blue Goku. Some fans questioned how this made sense, since he went from weaker than Imperfect Cell back in ''Z'', to now stronger than many other characters. Toyotaro's explanation was that after the Cell Games, Android 17 saw that the Cell Jrs made by Cell had survived, took them, and not only trained with them, but also essentially "domesticated" them. This doesn't make sense though, because no matter the adaptation of ''Z'', Gohan very obviously killed the Cell Jrs, as even if they could have regenerated, the fact they never return, Cell is shown looking horrified Gohan just did so, and they never are referenced again, makes it clear the intent behind the scene was that Gohan flat out kills them. If a single one survived, why didn't it show up and attack Gohan when he fought Cell; a single one surviving all but guarantees Cell's victory since it could have stopped the heroes from helping Gohan in his beam clash with Cell. Plus it doesn't make sense 17 could do that, when the Cell Jrs were so much more powerful than him, that he would have easily been killed by them if they wanted. Even if all of this is plausible, it begs the question why 17 never suggests a single one join in the Tournament, when a single Cell Jr, though not as strong as Cell, is basically going to be stronger than all three human characters combined? There also is the issue of how 17 became so strong, since it doesn't explain how he could become that strong using them.

** A different explanation would be that Tapion met Future Trunks, had to absorb Hirudegarn and asked Trunks to kill him (as happened in the movie) and a much more calloused Future Trunks just did it, inheriting the warrior's sword. With no monster nor Tapion's magic, the sword wouldn't be so sturdy. Future Trunks would never mention this because why bother?

** A different explanation would be that Tapion mer Future Trunks, had to absorb Hirudegarn and asked Trunks to kill him (as happened in the movie) and a much more calloused Future Trunks just did it, inheriting the warrior's sword. With no monster nor Tapion's magic, the sword wouldn't be so sturdy. Future Trunks would never mention this because why bother?

To explain why Vegito defused back in ''Z'', rather than simply saying something about Majin Buu causing the fusion to split, Gowasu explains that the Potara Fusion has a one hour time limit, and is only permenant when a Supreme Kai is involved. The VoodooShark comes in is the manga where an additional rule is that only officially promoted Supreme Kai's are permeant. The issue is that, while the Kai's having some kind of process to promote one of their own isn't unrealistic, the fact the earrings can magically know that a person is a Supreme Kai or not seems like an out of no where reason compared to simply the Supreme Kai's being able to by default have the unique make up like the anime presents. While the Kai's basically use magic, how would the earrings just know the person holding it is a Supreme Kai or not, and why would they allow this kind of rule to exist? Furthermore, Zamasu even states in the manga that it was mainly a title, yet isn't considered one despite having been in training, so unless there is some kind of ritual involved (which is never confirmed), it doesn't make sense why the earrings have this rule. Plus, this detail is completely unnecessary, since Fused Zamasu manages to remain a fused being anyway because his base fusees are the same person, so having him defuse ended up being unnecessary except to justify him splitting into clones.

*** In ''Z'', the Potara Fusion was originally stated to be permanent, but after Vegito (the fused form of Goku and Vegeta) let himself be absorbed by Majin Buu to free the people previously absorbed by said villain, the fusion inexplicitly stopped working and they were returned to normal. At the time, the only guess was that Buu was such an EldritchAbomination that his body may have done something to the magic used in the earrings but an official answer was never given. Years later in ''Super'' during the battle against Fused Zamasu, Goku and Vegeta decide to use them again and ask about why they defused, which was explained by Gowasu as being that the Potara Fusion is only permanent if a Supreme Kai is involved[[note]]Previously, the only Potara Fusions in the canon series besides Vegito had been at least one Kai[[/note]], and that instead has a one hour time limit. The VoodooShark comes in is the manga where Gowasu also states that only officially promoted Supreme Kai's will remain permeant. The issue with this explanation is that, while the Kai's having some kind of process to promote one of their own isn't unrealistic, the fact the earrings can magically know that a person is a Supreme Kai or not seems like an out of no where reason. While the Kai's basically use magic, how would the earrings just know the person holding it is a Supreme Kai or not, and why would they allow this kind of rule to exist? Furthermore, Zamasu even states in the manga that it was mainly a title, so unless there is some kind of ritual involved, it doesn't make sense how the earrings can just know who is one or not. Plus, this detail is completely unnecessary, since Fused Zamasu manages to remain a fused being anyway because his base fusees are the same person, so having him defuse ended up being unnecessary except to justify him splitting into clones.