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30th Apr '17 9:53:44 AM monocleclaire
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* AntiEscapismAesop: Zig-zagged. [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda]]'s escapism (i.e creating numerous {{Imaginary Friend}}s [[spoiler:and creating at least three different identities with completely different personalities because they hated themself so much]]) is pretty much the only way they made it through much of their childhood, and a repeated point is how delusions and escapism serve as coping methods for much of the cast - in some cases even helping them develop their greatest strengths. But it comes back to bite [[spoiler:Sayo]] in the rear later when the things they try to escape from become too great to completely ignore, and they even suggest that they regret having used escapism at all in one of their final lines to Lion - "I pray that you live as a human, without awakening as a witch."

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* AntiEscapismAesop: Zig-zagged. [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda]]'s escapism (i.e creating numerous {{Imaginary Friend}}s [[spoiler:and creating at least three different identities with completely different personalities because they she hated themself herself so much]]) is pretty much the only way they made it through much of their childhood, and a repeated point is how delusions and escapism serve as coping methods for much of the cast - in some cases even helping them develop their greatest strengths. But it comes back to bite [[spoiler:Sayo]] in the rear later when the things they try to escape from become too great to completely ignore, and they even suggest that they regret having used escapism at all in one of their final lines to Lion - "I pray that you live as a human, without awakening as a witch."



** 07151129, which is [[spoiler:Battler's and "Beatrice"'s birthdate (November 29th 1984 being the day Sayo solved the epitaph and discovered who they were).]]

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** 07151129, which is [[spoiler:Battler's and "Beatrice"'s birthdate (November 29th 1984 being the day Sayo solved the epitaph and discovered who they were).she was).]]



* BettyAndVeronica: A ''very'' complex example. [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda is the Archie, the gentlemanly SecondLove George is the Betty, the rebellious and perverted, longtime missing FirstLove Battler is the Veronica, and the free-spirited, longtime friend Jessica is the ThirdOptionLoveInterest. The problem is that none of Sayo's love interests know about their issues, let alone the fact that they all love the same person. Sayo wanted to accept George's marriage proposal, but Battler's sudden return, as well as Sayo's fear of how anyone would react to the truth about their origins and their body caused the entire tragedy.]]

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* BettyAndVeronica: A ''very'' complex example. [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda is the Archie, the gentlemanly SecondLove George is the Betty, the rebellious and perverted, longtime missing FirstLove Battler is the Veronica, and the free-spirited, longtime friend Jessica is the ThirdOptionLoveInterest. The problem is that none of Sayo's love interests know about their her issues, let alone the fact that they all love the same person. Sayo wanted to accept George's marriage proposal, but Battler's sudden return, as well as Sayo's fear of how anyone would react to the truth about their her origins and their her body caused the entire tragedy.]]



* ExtraDigits: Kinzo has six toes which is used to identify his corpse. [[spoiler:They're also shared by his child Sayo Yasuda, who actually had them amputated to try and hide this by it left scars that Kinzo noticed and clued him in to their relationship.]]

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* ExtraDigits: Kinzo has six toes which is used to identify his corpse. [[spoiler:They're also [[spoiler:This is a trait shared by his child child, Sayo Yasuda, who actually had them amputated to try and hide this by it Yasuda. The scar left scars that behind from an operation to remove her sixth toe is what confirms to Kinzo noticed the truth of her identity and clued him in to their relationship.]]



** A recurring theme in the story is how the creation of one or more of these is used by various characters as a way of coping with psychological stress. Maria's case especially is discussed in detail by Ange in [=EP4=], and aside from Eva and [[spoiler:Natsuhi]], this is eventually revealed to be how [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda dealt with [[AmbiguousGender their]] OrphansOrdeal and the injuries to their body, by creating imaginary friends such as Shannon and Kanon and later dressing and acting as them]].

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** A recurring theme in the story is how the creation of one or more of these is used by various characters as a way of coping with psychological stress. Maria's case especially is discussed in detail by Ange in [=EP4=], and aside from Eva and [[spoiler:Natsuhi]], this is eventually revealed to be how [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda dealt with [[AmbiguousGender their]] her OrphansOrdeal -- she created an idealized version of herself to act as a guiding figure and mentor. She later does the same same with Kanon in at attempt to deal with her gender dysphoria and the injuries to their body, by creating imaginary friends such discontent she feels with her life as Shannon and Kanon and later dressing and acting as them]].a servant]].



** In [=EP7=] it is implicitly revealed that [[spoiler:Shannon and Kanon are George and Jessica's ''aunt'' ([[AmbiguousGender or uncle]]) ''and'' half-cousin, simultaneously. Of course, Sayo Yasuda doesn't find out about their parentage until about two years before the story begins, and George and Jessica never find out at all]].

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** In [=EP7=] it is implicitly revealed that [[spoiler:Shannon and Kanon are George and Jessica's ''aunt'' ([[AmbiguousGender or uncle]]) ''and'' half-cousin, ''aunt and half-cousin'', simultaneously. Of course, Sayo Yasuda doesn't find out about their her parentage until about two years before the story begins, and George and Jessica never find out at all]].



** [[spoiler:Natsuhi pushed Sayo Yasuda (and the servant carrying him/her) off of a cliff because of her frustration over her seeming inability to have children. Well, thanks to Natsuhi, Sayo's body is damaged to the point of being unable to have children, [[CantHaveSexEver among other things]].]]

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** [[spoiler:Natsuhi pushed Sayo Yasuda (and the servant carrying him/her) them) off of a cliff because of her frustration over her seeming inability to have children. Well, thanks to Natsuhi, Sayo's body is damaged to the point of being unable to have children, [[CantHaveSexEver among other things]].]]



* MindScrewdriver:
** While the end of the series still leaves some things unexplained [[spoiler:i.e [[AmbiguousGender Sayo Yasuda and Lion's genders]], [[TheUnreveal what really happened during that fateful weekend on Rokkenjima]]]], ''Chiru'' drops more hints about the true nature of the series than there were in the first half.
** The manga, which is supervised by Ryūkishi, also adds more clues (notably visual ones) to understand the mysteries and explains some parts of the story more clearly than the sound novels.

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* MindScrewdriver:
** While
MindScrewdriver: The sound novel itself is very careful to give the end of the series still leaves some things unexplained [[spoiler:i.e [[AmbiguousGender Sayo Yasuda player enough clues and Lion's genders]], [[TheUnreveal what really happened during that fateful weekend on Rokkenjima]]]], ''Chiru'' drops more hints about to reach the true nature of truth themselves without ever explicitly telling them the series than there were in the first half.
**
answer. The manga, which is supervised manga (supervised by Ryūkishi, also Ryukishi himself) both adds more clues (notably visual ones) to understand and explicitly lays out the mysteries solution for the reader, as well as confirming once and explains some parts of all the story more clearly than truth of what happened on Rokkenjima during the sound novels.tragedy.



* MultiGenderedSplitPersonalities: A variant; [[spoiler:Kanon and Shannon]] are actually alter egos of [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda]] (although [[spoiler:Sayo's]] original gender is left ambiguous, and so which one's the OGSP is left to speculation). There were hints of this throughout the entire novel, but it's pretty much spelled out by the seventh Episode. This is the largest clue to solving the entire story; figuring this out blows most of the closed rooms open.

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* MultiGenderedSplitPersonalities: A variant; Zig-zagged. [[spoiler:Kanon and Shannon]] Shannon are actually alter egos of [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda]] (although [[spoiler:Sayo's]] original gender is left ambiguous, and so which one's the OGSP is left to speculation). There were hints of this throughout the entire novel, but it's pretty much spelled out by the seventh Episode. This is the largest clue to solving the entire story; figuring this out blows most alternate personas of the closed rooms open.culprit, Sayo Yasuda, who is female. However, she was designated male at birth but raised as female after the accident that left her unable to have children as a baby. Much of her conflict comes down to not feeling fully comfortable as ''either'' gender.]]



* MultipleEndings: There's the usual ''Franchise/WhenTheyCry'' stuff with the multiple endings playing into a larger ending, but the last arc itself can also end in two different ways.

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* MultipleEndings: There's Unlike Higurashi before it, Umineko has ''two'' endings, which are based on the usual ''Franchise/WhenTheyCry'' stuff with single choice the multiple endings playing into a larger player is offered input on. It's very clear which is considered the 'true' ending, but the last arc itself can also end in two different ways.though.



* MyMasterRightOrWrong: Genji, Shannon and Kanon seem rather unconcerned in the face of Kinzo's actions and all the murders that occur. [[spoiler:In reality Kinzo is long dead and Shannon and Kanon are in fact the same person, Sayo, who is Kinzo's illegitimate child with his [[ParentalIncest daughter]] Beatrice II and is the one Genji considers his new master. Sayo then plan the murders without any protest from Genji, who even helps with covering them up.]]

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* MyMasterRightOrWrong: Genji, Shannon and Kanon seem rather unconcerned in the face of Kinzo's actions and all the murders that occur. [[spoiler:In reality Kinzo is long dead and Shannon and Kanon are in fact the same person, Sayo, who is Kinzo's illegitimate child with his [[ParentalIncest daughter]] Beatrice II and is the one Genji considers his new master. Sayo then plan plans the murders without Rokkenjima tragedy in suicidal loathing for the Ushiromiya family and Genji's guilt at driving her into this state is what motivates him to help Sayo at any protest from Genji, who even helps with covering them up.cost.]]



* RaysFromHeaven: This visual novel does this at the end of Ep 7 after [[spoiler:Will solving all of Beatrice's games and riddles, letting Beatrice, in the form of Claire, [[GoOutWithASmile die in peace]]. Lion also learns how lucky [[AmbiguousGender s/he]] should be in not having become Sayo Yasuda]]. The sunlight is even described as looking as a staircase to heaven.

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* RaysFromHeaven: This visual novel does this at the end of Ep 7 after [[spoiler:Will solving all of Beatrice's games and riddles, letting Beatrice, in the form of Claire, [[GoOutWithASmile die in peace]]. Lion also learns how lucky [[AmbiguousGender s/he]] they should be in not having become Sayo Yasuda]]. The sunlight is even described as looking as a staircase to heaven.



* ServantRace: Furniture is apparently this. [[spoiler:Later subverted, since not only is it implied that many of the furniture characters are really [[ImaginaryFriend Imaginary Friends]], but as the series goes on it becomes more apparent that whenever Shannon and Kanon use the word "furniture" it doesn't actually refer to their race or social status; rather, it refers to how Sayo Yasuda believes that [[AmbiguousGender their]] damaged body which is "unable to love" makes them less than human.]]

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* ServantRace: Furniture is apparently this. [[spoiler:Later subverted, since not only is it implied that many of the furniture characters are really [[ImaginaryFriend Imaginary Friends]], but as the series goes on it becomes more apparent that whenever Shannon and Kanon use the word "furniture" it doesn't actually refer to their race or social status; rather, it refers to how Sayo Yasuda believes that [[AmbiguousGender their]] her damaged body which is "unable to love" makes them her less than human.]]



* SexEqualsLove: One of [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda]]'s issues and part of [[AmbiguousGender their]] confusion. [[spoiler: Because of what is implied to be Sayo's mutilated sexual organs, s/he is unable to have sex and is afraid that the their other selves' love interests (Battler, George and Jessica) will view him/her as a "filthy maggot" if s/he reveals the truth.]] The series never comments upon whether [[spoiler:Sayo]] is right or not, but the point is that those feelings exist and it's a major factor in [[spoiler: Sayo's]] self-hatred.

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* SexEqualsLove: One of [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda]]'s issues and part of [[AmbiguousGender their]] confusion. her primary internal conflict. [[spoiler: Because of what The accident she suffered as a baby left Sayo with a body that was unable to have children and, it is implied to be Sayo's mutilated sexual organs, s/he is heavily implied, unable to have sex and is afraid that the their other selves' at all. Her inability to consumate her love interests (Battler, with George and Jessica) will view him/her as a "filthy maggot" if s/he reveals (and ultimately bear his children) is one of the truth.]] The series never comments upon whether [[spoiler:Sayo]] is right or not, but the point is primary things that those feelings exist and it's a major factor in [[spoiler: Sayo's]] self-hatred.slowly pushes her over the edge.]]



* SupportingHarem: A very strange and twisted variation: [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda has Battler, George and Jessica as love interests and no matter what they feel for the latter two, it's obvious the one who has the biggest hold over Sayo's feelings is Battler. The thing gets complicated when you consider the fact that none of Sayo's love interests know they are in love with the same person. Also, Sayo's heart choosing Battler over George and Jessica was one of the main reasons why Sayo went off the deep end and planned the murders.]]

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* SupportingHarem: A very strange and twisted variation: [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda has Battler, George and [[spoiler: George, Jessica as love interests and no matter what they feel for the latter two, it's obvious the one who has the biggest hold over Sayo's feelings is Battler. The thing gets complicated when you consider the fact that none of Sayo's love interests know they Battler are in love with Shannon, Kanon and Beatrice respectively, who all reciprocate those feelings. The twist comes in when it is revealed that, unbeknownst to the cousins, all of the latter three are the same person. Also, Sayo's heart choosing Battler over George and Jessica was one of the main reasons why person, Sayo went off the deep end and planned the murders.Yasuda.]]



* TwoDunIt: A possible theory about the truth of Rokkenjima is that the events are caused by two teams working independent of each other, one planning and one opportunistic. [[spoiler: The first one is the servants and one of the siblings (which one depends on the arc) led by Sayo Yasuda who plans the murders (the one among the sibling and a few of the servants think it's just a game) in order to become free from their fate or that Battler solves the case and finds out the truth. The other one would be Kyrie who took a chance when the gold was found.]]

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* TwoDunIt: A possible theory about the truth of Rokkenjima is that the events are caused by two teams working independent of each other, one planning and one opportunistic. [[spoiler: The first one is the servants and one of the siblings (which one depends on the arc) led by Sayo Yasuda who plans the murders (the one among the sibling and a few of the servants think it's just a game) in order to become free from their her fate or that Battler solves the case and finds out the truth. The other one would be Kyrie who took a chance when the gold was found.]]



* UnusualEuphemism: Referring to the servants as "furniture" ("kagu" in Japanese). [[spoiler:[=EP7=] reveals that it was coined by Sayo Yasuda, and it's actually a euphemism for something worse; namely, because of their mutilated body which "can't love", they may as well not be human... in fact, they may as well be furniture.]]

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* UnusualEuphemism: Referring to the servants as "furniture" ("kagu" in Japanese). [[spoiler:[=EP7=] reveals that it was coined by Sayo Yasuda, and it's actually a euphemism for something worse; namely, because of their her mutilated body which "can't love", they she may as well not be human... in fact, they she may as well be furniture.]]
25th Mar '17 6:01:32 AM Morgenthaler
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** The entire novel (all eight episodes) clocks at around 6 MB as a text file. Compare WarAndPeace, which is around 3 MB. Even more impressive knowing that Ryūkishi07 wrote in less than 4 years. And that's not even counting ''Land of the Golden Witch'', the original Episode 3 that was scrapped.

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** The entire novel (all eight episodes) clocks at around 6 MB as a text file. Compare WarAndPeace, Literature/WarAndPeace, which is around 3 MB. Even more impressive knowing that Ryūkishi07 wrote in less than 4 years. And that's not even counting ''Land of the Golden Witch'', the original Episode 3 that was scrapped.
6th Feb '17 3:23:18 PM morenohijazo
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* PhilosophicalChoiceEndings: Episode 8 shows the player a magic trick involving making candy appear, and asks if it was real magic or a trick. This choice leads to the appropriately-named Magic and Trick endings.
29th Jan '17 9:26:25 AM Oecchi
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* BastardBastard: Discussed by several characters in the early arcs, who theorize that an illegitimate child of Kinzō and Beatrice has come to the island to take revenge and/or claim back the gold. [[spoiler:They were right about the first part.]]

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* BastardBastard: Discussed by several characters in the early arcs, who theorize that an illegitimate child of Kinzō and Beatrice has come to the island to take revenge and/or claim back the gold. [[spoiler:They were right about the first part.illegitimate child, but not about their motive.]]
10th Jan '17 11:52:35 AM TomServo3000
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* AFateWorseThanDeath:

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* AFateWorseThanDeath:FateWorseThanDeath:
26th Dec '16 8:56:23 PM Sullytofu
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*** Murder mysteries in general are absolutely savaged. Most of the people involved in the investigation of murders are entirely there for their own selfish motives of an ego boost rather than attempting to help the victim or catch the perpetrator, and the ones that ''are'' there to help have to fight with the egotistical people in order to find the truth as they are unwilling to accept any theory that isn't their own. In addition, the way that murder mysteries are treated as obstacles to overcome and figure out rather than tragic acts of violence that destroy lives is commented on as being highly dehumanizing. [[spoiler: The deal with the Forgeries and the Rokkenjimma incident in general is meant to be a commentary on the endless search for a definitive answer and how horrible it is to drudge up the names of the dead in search of a good story. Tooya/Featherine's press conference explicitly spells this out for the audience and the reader.]]
6th Dec '16 12:42:38 AM JustTroper
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* ExtraDigits: Kinzo has six toes which is used to identify his corpse. [[spoiler:They're also shared by his child Sayo Yasuda, who actually had them amputated to try and hide this by it left scars that Kinzo noticed and clued him in to their relationship.]]
5th Nov '16 2:41:55 PM sorako
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* GhostReunionEnding: [[spoiler:Episode 8's Hidden Tea Party ends with Ange inviting Ikuko and Tohya to the reopening of the Fukuin House, which now contains an exact replica of the hall of the Ushiromiya mansion. There, Tohya/Battler is greeted by the spirits of the Ushiromiya family and the Meta world characters. Tohya then finally comes to terms with his past while Battler joins his family in the afterlife.]]
26th Oct '16 12:15:33 AM maestro_89
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* PowersThatBe: The Witches' Senate may be something of the sort. We are never really explained what it is, what kind of power it has or how its members are designated. We just know that Bern, Lambda and [[spoiler:Featherine]] are part of it and that it's a ''very'' bad idea to go against it.

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* PowersThatBe: The Witches' Senate may be something of the sort. We are never really explained what it is, what kind of power it has or how its members are designated. We just know that Bern, Lambda and [[spoiler:Featherine]] are part of it and that it's a ''very'' bad idea to go against it. [[spoiler: It's to the point that Lambdadelta herself takes it very seriously when she invokes her authority as a member of the senate.]]
11th Oct '16 7:15:55 PM Oecchi
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* MultiGenderedSplitPersonalities: [[spoiler:Kanon and Shannon]] (although [[spoiler:Yasu's]] original gender is left ambiguous, and so which one's the OGSP is left to speculation). There were hints of this throughout the entire novel, but it's pretty much spelled out by the seventh Episode. This is the largest clue to solving the entire story; figuring this out blows most of the closed rooms open.

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* MultiGenderedSplitPersonalities: A variant; [[spoiler:Kanon and Shannon]] are actually alter egos of [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda]] (although [[spoiler:Yasu's]] [[spoiler:Sayo's]] original gender is left ambiguous, and so which one's the OGSP is left to speculation). There were hints of this throughout the entire novel, but it's pretty much spelled out by the seventh Episode. This is the largest clue to solving the entire story; figuring this out blows most of the closed rooms open.
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