History VisualNovel / UminekoWhenTheyCry

29th Mar '18 12:41:25 PM CombativeBoil
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* BittersweetEnding: The author intentionally gave you two ways to see this: either bittersweet or as a DownerEnding. Which one really depends on whether you take the mystery or fantasy explanations for what happened. Even with the fantasy stuff, though, it's pretty difficult to say it ends any better than bittersweetly. By the end, [[spoiler:almost everyone is still dead. Those who survived (Eva and Ange) still lived pretty miserable lives, although the ending gives Ange a chance to move on. You find out that Battler also survived and recovered most of his memories, albeit with a dissociated identity, traumatized, and crippled]]. It turns out that the series is about him [[spoiler:coming to terms with his past]], so in that way, as well as looking at the new life Ange made for herself, the story ends happily.

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* BittersweetEnding: The author intentionally gave you two ways to see this: either bittersweet or as a DownerEnding. Which one really depends on whether you take the mystery or fantasy explanations for what happened. Even with the fantasy stuff, though, it's pretty difficult to say it ends any better than bittersweetly. By the end, [[spoiler:almost everyone is still dead. Those who survived (Eva and Ange) still lived pretty miserable lives, although the ending gives Ange a chance to move on. You find out that Battler also survived and recovered most of his memories, albeit with a dissociated identity, traumatized, and crippled]]. It turns out that the series is about him [[spoiler:coming to terms with his past]], past, so in that way, as well as looking at the new life Ange made for herself, the story ends happily.]]
29th Mar '18 12:37:39 PM CombativeBoil
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* BeggingTheQuestion: Accepting the red text as only speaking the truth requires you believe both that Beatrice is being honest and that the red text speaks only the truth when statements like "The red text speaks only the truth!" come up. [[spoiler:Well, at least that's the case until we see Battler attempt to use the red to say something that turns out to be untrue.]] That said, it does happen to be true: Anything said in red is at worst misleading.

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* BeggingTheQuestion: Accepting the red text as only speaking the truth requires you believe both that Beatrice is being honest and that the red text speaks only the truth when statements like "The red text speaks only the truth!" come up. [[spoiler:Well, at least that's the case until we see Battler attempt to use the red to say something that turns out to be untrue.]] That said, it does happen to be true: Anything said in red is at worst misleading.misleading or an abuse of ExactWords.
29th Mar '18 12:33:04 PM CombativeBoil
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* ArtifactTitle: The Tea Parties in the visual novels. In Episode 1, they're set up to be reminiscent of the ''Higurashi'' wrap parties which were non-canon but provided hints on the overarching plot. It's subverted right away, however, when Battler denies the existence of witches, causing Beatrice to show up and set the stage for the rest of the series. From then on, they basically serve as a direct continuation of the main scenario, and by later episodes, don't even have the "meta" aspect to distinguish themselves since the meta-world has already bled into the main narrative.

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* ArtifactTitle: The Tea Parties in the visual novels. In Episode 1, they're set up to be reminiscent of the ''Higurashi'' wrap parties which were non-canon but provided hints on the overarching plot. It's This expectation gets subverted right away, however, away when Battler denies the existence of witches, causing Beatrice to show up and set the stage for the rest of the series. From then on, they basically serve as a direct continuation of the main scenario, and by later episodes, don't even have the "meta" aspect to distinguish themselves since the meta-world has already bled into the main narrative.
29th Mar '18 12:31:10 PM CombativeBoil
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* ArtifactTitle: The Tea Parties in the visual novels. In Episode 1, they're set up to be reminiscent of the ''Higurashi'' wrap parties which were non-canon but provided hints on the overarching plot. It's subverted right away, however, when Battler denies the existence of witches, causing Beatrice to show up and set the stage for the rest of the series. From then on, they basically serve as a direct continuation of the main scenario, and by later episodes, don't even have the "meta" aspect to distinguish themselves since the meta-world has already bled into the main narrative.
29th Mar '18 12:22:28 PM CombativeBoil
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*MoralityKitchenSink: [[spoiler:Becomes increasingly apparent as the story goes on, particularly in the Answer Arcs. While Beatrice sets herself up as the clear main villain in the opening chapters, later episodes add a lot of depth to her character, and reveal that she's not nearly as malevolent as she'd made herself out to be. As more information is revealed about the Ushiromiya family, both outwardly decent people ''and'' seeming {{Jerkass}}es are shown to have HiddenDepths, capable of doing both good and terrible things depending on the circumstances. Battler himself is one of the few characters who stays heroic throughout, and in the final episode tries to help Ange look past the ugliness of the Rokkenjima tragedy to realize that no matter how horrid the truth may be, her family truly cared about her and will always be with her.]]
9th Mar '18 7:30:34 AM CombativeBoil
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* LostInTranslation: The epitaph's puzzle would've been extremely difficult to translate to solvable English. Because English doesn't have the structural features of Japanese -- ie; multiple character readings, alternate kanji for the same readings -- that to translate the embedded word puzzles would require a much longer and less poetic epitaph. Making it meaningful as directions to a treasure would lose the implications of a sacrificial ceremony.

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* LostInTranslation: The epitaph's puzzle would've been extremely difficult to translate to solvable English. Because English doesn't have the structural features of Japanese -- ie; multiple character readings, alternate kanji for the same readings -- that to translate the embedded word puzzles would require a much longer and less poetic epitaph. Making it meaningful as directions to a treasure would lose the implications of a sacrificial ceremony. [[spoiler:When the solution is presented in [=EP7=], the translation explains all the relevant Japanese wordplay and character readings along with it.]]
8th Mar '18 9:39:42 AM sorako
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* AgeGapRomance: George is seven years older than Shannon. [[spoiler:Actually, she's only 4 years younger than him, but he doesn't know that.]] And he has been interested in her since back when she was ''10''.



* SkyscraperCity: The City of Books is described as this.



* SkyscraperCity: The City of Books is described as this.
6th Mar '18 7:30:53 PM sorako
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* TheGameComeToLife: ''Jessica and the Killer Electric Fan''



* TheGameComeToLife: ''Jessica and the Killer Electric Fan''
6th Mar '18 11:20:28 AM sorako
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* ForWantOfANail: [=EP7=] presents an alternate 1986: [[spoiler:Natsuhi accepts the baby that Kinzo asked her to adopt. Because of this, the epitaph does not exist, and there are no mentions of Beatrice as a witch or a ghost in the mansion.]]



* ForWantOfANail: [=EP7=] presents an alternate 1986: [[spoiler:Natsuhi accepts the baby that Kinzo asked her to adopt. Because of this, the epitaph does not exist, and there are no mentions of Beatrice as a witch or a ghost in the mansion.]]
4th Mar '18 6:41:09 AM CombativeBoil
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* BittersweetEnding: The author intentionally gave you two ways to see this: either bittersweet or as a DownerEnding. Which one really depends on whether you take the mystery or fantasy explanations for what happened. Even with the fantasy stuff, though, it's pretty difficult to say it ends any better than bittersweetly. By the end, [[spoiler:almost everyone is still dead. Those who survived (Eva and Ange) still lived pretty miserable lives, although the ending gives Ange a chance to move on. You find out that Battler also survived, albeit amnesiac, traumatized, and crippled]]. It turns out that the series is about him [[spoiler:coming to terms with his past]], so in that way, the story ends happily, but in that way only.
** The manga goes with the ending where [[spoiler:Ange survives and lives to be a famous author; unfortunately, at that point she is battling cancer.]]

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* BittersweetEnding: The author intentionally gave you two ways to see this: either bittersweet or as a DownerEnding. Which one really depends on whether you take the mystery or fantasy explanations for what happened. Even with the fantasy stuff, though, it's pretty difficult to say it ends any better than bittersweetly. By the end, [[spoiler:almost everyone is still dead. Those who survived (Eva and Ange) still lived pretty miserable lives, although the ending gives Ange a chance to move on. You find out that Battler also survived, survived and recovered most of his memories, albeit amnesiac, with a dissociated identity, traumatized, and crippled]]. It turns out that the series is about him [[spoiler:coming to terms with his past]], so in that way, as well as looking at the new life Ange made for herself, the story ends happily, but in that way only.
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** The manga goes with the [[spoiler:"Magic" timeline ending where [[spoiler:Ange with the twist that Ange does attempt suicide, but survives and lives goes on to be become a famous author; unfortunately, at that point she author, but as in the VN, her physical condition is weakened considerably due to battling cancer.]]
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