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13th Apr '17 8:20:26 PM Goldenguy
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* When ''Anime/DigimonTamers'' first aired, many fans of the ''Adventure'' series were disappointed and confused by the lack of relation between the stories, and much of the themes and subtext were lost on younger viewers. Over a decade later, thanks to both access to the Japanese version and a higher demand for more cerebral, deconstructive series, ''Tamers'' has gained a large amount of popularity, and is easily the second most popular Digimon series. The fact that a popular countdown artist by the name of ''WebVideo/TheAutarch'' put it #1 on his "Top 10 most nostalgic animated shows" list may also have something to do with that.

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* When ''Anime/DigimonTamers'' first aired, many fans of the ''Adventure'' series were disappointed and confused by the lack of relation between the stories, and much of the themes and subtext were lost on younger viewers. Over a decade later, thanks to both access to the Japanese version and a higher demand for more cerebral, deconstructive series, ''Tamers'' has gained a large amount of popularity, and is easily the second most popular Digimon series. The fact that a popular countdown artist by the name of ''WebVideo/TheAutarch'' put it #1 on his "Top 10 most nostalgic animated shows" list may also have something to do with that.
19th Mar '17 11:29:51 AM GlitteringFlowers
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* In TheSixties, ''Anime/HolsPrinceOfTheSun'' had an horrifyingly TroubledProduction, suffered lots of ExecutiveMeddling and bombed as a result. Now it's considered as one of the most classic anime movies ever.
23rd Jan '17 1:56:38 PM Arcana4th
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* ''Anime/DanganRonpa3'' has a minor example. The ending is still controversial and the issues pointed out are still there and still bother fans, but the following installment, ''VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3'', was so divisive and the fans hate the ending so much that ''[=DR3=]'' got fans back for this.
29th Dec '16 9:31:38 PM quackytrope
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* ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' has always been popular in Japan, but it took a while for it to catch on in the west. While it was never hated in western countries, it was always pushed aside by other Magazine/ShonenJump series and remained a CultClassic at best, thanks to [[NoExportForYou a lack of localization]] (primarily due to the [[ShoutOut/JoJosBizarreAdventure character names]] creating [[ScrewedByTheLawyers a gigantic mess of legal issues]]), although MemeticMutation caused a bump in popularity in the early 2000's. Then it gained a proper anime (as opposed to 13 half-hour [=OVAs=]) in 2012, and because it came nearly 25 years after the manga started, it has no {{filler}} and it doesn't have to worry about [[OvertookTheManga taking a different path in the story]]. Because of this and [[VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureAllStarBattle the tie-in game]], [=JoJo=] became exponentially more popular in TheNewTens, an era where fellow Shonen series were starting to fall off in popularity. The anime's popularity has also led to more people playing [[VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureHeritageForTheFuture the Capcom fighting game]].

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* ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' has always been popular in Japan, but it took a while for it to catch on in the west. While it was never hated in western countries, it was always pushed aside by other Magazine/ShonenJump series and remained a CultClassic at best, thanks to [[NoExportForYou a lack of localization]] (primarily due to the [[ShoutOut/JoJosBizarreAdventure character names]] creating [[ScrewedByTheLawyers a gigantic mess of legal issues]]), although MemeticMutation caused a bump in popularity in the early 2000's. Then it gained a proper anime (as opposed to 13 half-hour [=OVAs=]) in 2012, and because it came nearly 25 years after the manga started, it has no {{filler}} and it doesn't have to worry about [[OvertookTheManga taking a different path in the story]]. Because of this and [[VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureAllStarBattle the tie-in game]], [=JoJo=] became exponentially more popular in TheNewTens, an era where fellow Shonen series were starting to fall off in popularity. The anime's popularity has also led to more people playing [[VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureHeritageForTheFuture the Capcom fighting game]].
29th Dec '16 9:07:15 PM MyFinalEdits
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* ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' has always been popular in Japan, but it took a while for it to catch on in the west. While it was never hated in western countries, it was always pushed aside by other Magazine/ShonenJump series and remained a CultClassic at best, thanks to [[NoExportForYou a lack of localization]] (primarily due to the [[ShoutOut/JoJosBizarreAdventure character names]] creating [[ScrewedByTheLawyers a gigantic mess of legal issues]]), although MemeticMutation caused a bump in popularity in the early 2000's. Then it gained a proper anime (as opposed to 13 half-hour [=OVAs=]) in 2012, and because it came nearly 25 years after the manga started, it has no {{filler}} and it doesn't have to worry about [[OvertookTheManga taking a different path in the story]]. Because of this and [[VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureAllStarBattle the tie-in game]], [=JoJo=] became exponentially more popular in TheNewTens, an era where fellow Shonen series were starting to fall off in popularity.
** The anime's popularity has also led to more people playing [[VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureHeritageForTheFuture the Capcom fighting game]].

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* ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' has always been popular in Japan, but it took a while for it to catch on in the west. While it was never hated in western countries, it was always pushed aside by other Magazine/ShonenJump series and remained a CultClassic at best, thanks to [[NoExportForYou a lack of localization]] (primarily due to the [[ShoutOut/JoJosBizarreAdventure character names]] creating [[ScrewedByTheLawyers a gigantic mess of legal issues]]), although MemeticMutation caused a bump in popularity in the early 2000's. Then it gained a proper anime (as opposed to 13 half-hour [=OVAs=]) in 2012, and because it came nearly 25 years after the manga started, it has no {{filler}} and it doesn't have to worry about [[OvertookTheManga taking a different path in the story]]. Because of this and [[VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureAllStarBattle the tie-in game]], [=JoJo=] became exponentially more popular in TheNewTens, an era where fellow Shonen series were starting to fall off in popularity. \n** The anime's popularity has also led to more people playing [[VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureHeritageForTheFuture the Capcom fighting game]].
28th Dec '16 11:38:40 PM quackytrope
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* ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' has always been popular in Japan, but it took a while for it to catch on in the west. While it was never hated in western countries, it was always pushed aside by other Magazine/ShonenJump series and remained a CultClassic at best, thanks to [[NoExportForYou a lack of localization]] (primarily due to the [[ShoutOut/JoJosBizarreAdventure character names]] creating [[ScrewedByTheLawyers a gigantic mess of legal issues]]), although MemeticMutation caused a bump in popularity in the early 2000's. Then it gained a proper anime (as opposed to 13 half-hour [=OVAs=]) in 2012, and because it came nearly 25 years after the manga started, it has no {{filler}} and it doesn't have to worry about [[OvertookTheManga taking a different path in the story]]. Because of this and [[VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureAllStarBattle the tie-in game]], [=JoJo=] became exponentially more popular in TheNewTens, an era where fellow Shonen series were starting to fall off in popularity. The anime's popularity has also led to more people playing [[VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureHeritageForTheFuture the Capcom fighting game]].

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* ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' has always been popular in Japan, but it took a while for it to catch on in the west. While it was never hated in western countries, it was always pushed aside by other Magazine/ShonenJump series and remained a CultClassic at best, thanks to [[NoExportForYou a lack of localization]] (primarily due to the [[ShoutOut/JoJosBizarreAdventure character names]] creating [[ScrewedByTheLawyers a gigantic mess of legal issues]]), although MemeticMutation caused a bump in popularity in the early 2000's. Then it gained a proper anime (as opposed to 13 half-hour [=OVAs=]) in 2012, and because it came nearly 25 years after the manga started, it has no {{filler}} and it doesn't have to worry about [[OvertookTheManga taking a different path in the story]]. Because of this and [[VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureAllStarBattle the tie-in game]], [=JoJo=] became exponentially more popular in TheNewTens, an era where fellow Shonen series were starting to fall off in popularity.
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The anime's popularity has also led to more people playing [[VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureHeritageForTheFuture the Capcom fighting game]].
28th Dec '16 11:37:31 PM quackytrope
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* ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' has always been popular in Japan, but it took a while for it to catch on in the west. While it was never hated in western countries, it was always pushed aside by other Magazine/ShonenJump series and remained a CultClassic at best, thanks to [[NoExportForYou a lack of localization]] (primarily due to the [[ShoutOut/JoJosBizarreAdventure character names]] creating [[ScrewedByTheLawyers a gigantic mess of legal issues]]), although MemeticMutation caused a bump in popularity in the early 2000's. Then it gained a proper anime (as opposed to 13 half-hour [=OVAs=]) in 2012, and because it came nearly 25 years after the manga started, it has no {{filler}} and it doesn't have to worry about [[OvertookTheManga taking a different path in the story]]. Because of this and [[VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureAllStarBattle the tie-in game]], [=JoJo=] became exponentially more popular in TheNewTens, an era where fellow Shonen series were starting to fall off in popularity.

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* ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' has always been popular in Japan, but it took a while for it to catch on in the west. While it was never hated in western countries, it was always pushed aside by other Magazine/ShonenJump series and remained a CultClassic at best, thanks to [[NoExportForYou a lack of localization]] (primarily due to the [[ShoutOut/JoJosBizarreAdventure character names]] creating [[ScrewedByTheLawyers a gigantic mess of legal issues]]), although MemeticMutation caused a bump in popularity in the early 2000's. Then it gained a proper anime (as opposed to 13 half-hour [=OVAs=]) in 2012, and because it came nearly 25 years after the manga started, it has no {{filler}} and it doesn't have to worry about [[OvertookTheManga taking a different path in the story]]. Because of this and [[VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureAllStarBattle the tie-in game]], [=JoJo=] became exponentially more popular in TheNewTens, an era where fellow Shonen series were starting to fall off in popularity. The anime's popularity has also led to more people playing [[VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureHeritageForTheFuture the Capcom fighting game]].
27th Dec '16 5:02:02 AM GlitteringFlowers
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* A rare character example: Minmay from ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'' was one of the most hated characters ever, partly due to her whiny voice provided by Creator/RebeccaForstadt (the QUEEN of the BrattyHalfPint voice), the atrocious quality of her dubbed songs, and her [[TheDitz overall ditziness]]. But over the years, people who once hated her have now warmed up to her and see her more as a goofy but good-hearted girl who was unable to cope with the insane situation she found herself in.

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* A rare character example: Minmay from ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'' was one of the most hated characters ever, partly due to her whiny voice provided by Creator/RebeccaForstadt (the QUEEN of (who, to say it politely, was ''not'' the BrattyHalfPint voice), most suited actress for the atrocious role), the bad quality of her dubbed songs, and her [[TheDitz overall ditziness]]. But over the years, people who once hated her have now warmed up to her and see her more as a goofy but good-hearted girl who was unable to cope with the insane situation she found herself in.
19th Dec '16 7:59:55 PM Isaac_Heller
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* The ''{{Anime/Pokemon}}'' anime's ''Orange Islands'' arc was originally disregarded as {{Filler}} that didn't really amount to anything since the Gym challenges weren't always actual battles and the League itself wasn't based on an in-game region. Nowadays, whenever a debate starts concerning Ash's competence as a trainer, people will often mention it immediately, since his victory there technically means Ash qualifies for the title of Champion, and that also marks the first real sign of his growth as a Pokémon Trainer. It is also pointed out that the Orange Islands brought several fan-favourites such as Ash's Lapras, Ash's Snorlax, and the Crystal Onix, and that the battle between Ash and Drake was the series' first full battle. As such, several people are interested in the upcoming ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' adaptation because it seems to be something of a loose spiritual adaptation of the Orange Islands arc.

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* The ''{{Anime/Pokemon}}'' anime's ''Orange Islands'' arc was originally disregarded as {{Filler}} that didn't really amount to anything since the Gym challenges weren't always actual battles and the League itself wasn't based on an in-game region. Nowadays, whenever a debate starts concerning Ash's competence as a trainer, people will often mention it immediately, since his victory there technically means Ash qualifies for the title of Champion, and that also marks the first real sign of his growth as a Pokémon Trainer. It is also pointed out that the Orange Islands brought several fan-favourites such as Ash's Lapras, Ash's Snorlax, and the Crystal Onix, and that the battle between Ash and Drake was the series' first full battle. As such, several people are interested in the upcoming ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' adaptation because it seems to be something of a loose spiritual adaptation of the Orange Islands arc.
17th Dec '16 2:34:09 PM Isaac_Heller
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* The ''{{Anime/Pokemon}}'' anime:
** The ''Orange Islands'' arc was originally disregarded as {{Filler}} that didn't really amount to anything since the Gym challenges weren't always actual battles and the League itself wasn't based on an in-game region. Nowadays, whenever a debate starts concerning Ash's competence as a trainer, people will often mention it immediately, since his victory there technically means Ash qualifies for the title of Champion, and that also marks the first real sign of his growth as a Pokémon Trainer. It is also pointed out that the Orange Islands brought several fan-favourites such as Ash's Lapras, Ash's Snorlax, and the Crystal Onix, and that the battle between Ash and Drake was the series' first full battle. As such, several people are interested in the upcoming ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' adaptation because it seems to be something of a loose spiritual adaptation of the Orange Islands arc.
** Speaking of ''Sun and Moon'', the anime adaptation received immense amounts of InternetBackdraft when the first promotional material came out, due to Ash's [[YouDontLookLikeYou heavy redesign]], the remarkably different animation style, and the fact that the Gen VII season was coming off of the heels of Ash's Kalos League loss, which too caused heavy fan backlash (both because of it repeating formula and because of teasers that implied Ash would actually win this time). By the time the show started airing in Japan, fans, while still wary, warmed up to the ''Sun and Moon'' anime for its greater amounts of expressiveness (compared to the DullSurprise that plagued earlier seasons), improved promotional trailers, and the potential uniqueness of the season due to how different the Gen VII games are anticipated to be.
** The Diamond and Pearl seasons were often criticized initially, due to the repetition of the previous two eras' formula, the ArcFatigue and increased {{Flanderization}} of the cast. After being followed by the ''Black and White'' seasons however, which deviated greatly from characterization and continuity and are often panned for messy pacing and execution (as well as having some of the series' most polarising additions such as Iris, as well as replacing Brock with Cilan and, for the first half of the series, making Team Rocket competent and not funny at all), the DP era tends to be appreciated more for being the last era feeling in tone with the original format. It also helps that Ash's rivalry with Paul was very intense, Ash shows a great deal of ingenuity as a trainer (such as the countershield), there is character development all around, and the villain plot greatly stands out among the rest, which are typically non-existent or rushed.

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* The ''{{Anime/Pokemon}}'' anime:
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anime's ''Orange Islands'' arc was originally disregarded as {{Filler}} that didn't really amount to anything since the Gym challenges weren't always actual battles and the League itself wasn't based on an in-game region. Nowadays, whenever a debate starts concerning Ash's competence as a trainer, people will often mention it immediately, since his victory there technically means Ash qualifies for the title of Champion, and that also marks the first real sign of his growth as a Pokémon Trainer. It is also pointed out that the Orange Islands brought several fan-favourites such as Ash's Lapras, Ash's Snorlax, and the Crystal Onix, and that the battle between Ash and Drake was the series' first full battle. As such, several people are interested in the upcoming ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' adaptation because it seems to be something of a loose spiritual adaptation of the Orange Islands arc.
** Speaking of ''Sun and Moon'', the anime adaptation received immense amounts of InternetBackdraft when the first promotional material came out, due to Ash's [[YouDontLookLikeYou heavy redesign]], the remarkably different animation style, and the fact that the Gen VII season was coming off of the heels of Ash's Kalos League loss, which too caused heavy fan backlash (both because of it repeating formula and because of teasers that implied Ash would actually win this time). By the time the show started airing in Japan, fans, while still wary, warmed up to the ''Sun and Moon'' anime for its greater amounts of expressiveness (compared to the DullSurprise that plagued earlier seasons), improved promotional trailers, and the potential uniqueness of the season due to how different the Gen VII games are anticipated to be.
** The Diamond and Pearl seasons were often criticized initially, due to the repetition of the previous two eras' formula, the ArcFatigue and increased {{Flanderization}} of the cast. After being followed by the ''Black and White'' seasons however, which deviated greatly from characterization and continuity and are often panned for messy pacing and execution (as well as having some of the series' most polarising additions such as Iris, as well as replacing Brock with Cilan and, for the first half of the series, making Team Rocket competent and not funny at all), the DP era tends to be appreciated more for being the last era feeling in tone with the original format. It also helps that Ash's rivalry with Paul was very intense, Ash shows a great deal of ingenuity as a trainer (such as the countershield), there is character development all around, and the villain plot greatly stands out among the rest, which are typically non-existent or rushed.
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