History VindicatedByHistory / AnimeAndManga

14th Aug '16 9:48:00 PM Shadeblade11
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** The ''Orange Islands'' arc was originally disregarded as {{Filler}} that didn't really amount to anything since the Gym challenges weren't always actual battles and the League itself wasn't based on an in-game region. Nowadays, whenever a debate starts concerning Ash's competence as a trainer, people will often mentoin it immediately, since his victory there technically means Ash qualifies for the title of Champion, and that also marks the first real sign of his growth as a Pokémon Trainer. It is also pointed out that the Orange Islands brought several fan-favourites such as Ash's Lapras, Ash's Snorlax, and the Crystal Onix, and that the battle between Ash and Drake was the series' first full battle. As such, several people are interested in the upcoming VideoGame/PokémonSunAndMoon because it seems to be something of a loose spiritual adaptation of the Orange Islands arc.

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** The ''Orange Islands'' arc was originally disregarded as {{Filler}} that didn't really amount to anything since the Gym challenges weren't always actual battles and the League itself wasn't based on an in-game region. Nowadays, whenever a debate starts concerning Ash's competence as a trainer, people will often mentoin it immediately, since his victory there technically means Ash qualifies for the title of Champion, and that also marks the first real sign of his growth as a Pokémon Trainer. It is also pointed out that the Orange Islands brought several fan-favourites such as Ash's Lapras, Ash's Snorlax, and the Crystal Onix, and that the battle between Ash and Drake was the series' first full battle. As such, several people are interested in the upcoming VideoGame/PokémonSunAndMoon VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon because it seems to be something of a loose spiritual adaptation of the Orange Islands arc.
14th Aug '16 9:47:40 PM Shadeblade11
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** The ''Orange Islands'' arc was originally disregarded as {{Filler}} that didn't really amount to anything since the Gym challenges weren't always actual battles and the League itself wasn't based on an in-game region. Nowadays, whenever a debate starts concerning Ash's competence as a trainer, people will often mentoin it immediately, since his victory there technically means Ash qualifies for the title of Champion, and that also marks the first real sign of his growth as a Pokémon Trainer. It is also pointed out that the Orange Islands brought several fan-favourites such as Ash's Lapras, Ash's Snorlax, and the Crystal Onix, and that the battle between Ash and Drake was the series' first full battle. As such, several people are interested in the upcoming [[VideoGame/PokémonSunAndMoon]] because it seems to be something of a loose spiritual adaptation of the Orange Islands arc.

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** The ''Orange Islands'' arc was originally disregarded as {{Filler}} that didn't really amount to anything since the Gym challenges weren't always actual battles and the League itself wasn't based on an in-game region. Nowadays, whenever a debate starts concerning Ash's competence as a trainer, people will often mentoin it immediately, since his victory there technically means Ash qualifies for the title of Champion, and that also marks the first real sign of his growth as a Pokémon Trainer. It is also pointed out that the Orange Islands brought several fan-favourites such as Ash's Lapras, Ash's Snorlax, and the Crystal Onix, and that the battle between Ash and Drake was the series' first full battle. As such, several people are interested in the upcoming [[VideoGame/PokémonSunAndMoon]] VideoGame/PokémonSunAndMoon because it seems to be something of a loose spiritual adaptation of the Orange Islands arc.
11th Aug '16 10:51:45 PM Anddrix
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* Until a couple a years ago, you couldn't say that you remotely liked Bruce Faulconer's soundtrack for ''Anime/DragonBallZ''. To utter such words would have you [[FanDumb mocked]] for enjoying music that was inferior to the original track and make some fans [[FanMyopia question your fandom.]] Now, Bruce Faulconer's scores are fondly remembered especially Vegeta's Super Saiyan Theme, Ginyu Transformation, Goku's Super Saiyan 3 transformation, and DBZ Finale. Even those who overall enjoyed the Japanese track better have their favorites and those who don't like Faulconer's work do show some appreciation. Most of this new respect happened because of Kai, which originally had a completely different, BaseBreaker soundtrack by Kenji Yamamoto. Some fans even wish Faulconer would return to ''Dragon Ball'', thinking his score would go great with Kai. Don't believe us? A simple search of "dragon ball kai with faulconer score" on YouTube should bring up plenty of proof.

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* Until a couple a years ago, you couldn't say that you remotely liked Bruce Faulconer's soundtrack for ''Anime/DragonBallZ''. To utter such words would have you [[FanDumb mocked]] for enjoying music that was inferior to the original track and make some fans [[FanMyopia question your fandom.]] Now, Bruce Faulconer's scores are fondly remembered especially Vegeta's Super Saiyan Theme, Ginyu Transformation, Goku's Super Saiyan 3 transformation, and DBZ Finale. Even those who overall enjoyed the Japanese track better have their favorites and those who don't like Faulconer's work do show some appreciation. Most of this new respect happened because of Kai, which originally had a completely different, BaseBreaker divisive soundtrack by Kenji Yamamoto. Some fans even wish Faulconer would return to ''Dragon Ball'', thinking his score would go great with Kai. Don't believe us? A simple search of "dragon ball kai with faulconer score" on YouTube should bring up plenty of proof.
9th Aug '16 1:27:54 PM Tropetastic1995
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* The Diamond and Pearl seasons of the ''{{Anime/Pokemon}}'' anime were often criticised initially, due to the repetition of the previous two eras' formula, the ArcFatigue and increased {{Flanderization}} of the cast. After being followed by the Black and White seasons however, which deviated greatly from characterisation and continuity and are often panned for messy pacing and execution (as well as having some of the series' most polarising additions such as Iris, as well as replacing Brock with Cilan and, for the first half of the series, making Team Rocket competent and not funny at all), the DP era tends to be appreciated more for being the last era feeling in tone with the original format.
** It also helps that Ash's rivalry with Paul was very intense, Ash shows a great deal of ingenuity as a trainer (such as the countershield), there is character development all around, and the villain plot greatly stands out among the rest, which are typically non-existent or rushed.

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* The Diamond and Pearl seasons of the ''{{Anime/Pokemon}}'' anime anime:
** The ''Orange Islands'' arc was originally disregarded as {{Filler}} that didn't really amount to anything since the Gym challenges weren't always actual battles and the League itself wasn't based on an in-game region. Nowadays, whenever a debate starts concerning Ash's competence as a trainer, people will often mentoin it immediately, since his victory there technically means Ash qualifies for the title of Champion, and that also marks the first real sign of his growth as a Pokémon Trainer. It is also pointed out that the Orange Islands brought several fan-favourites such as Ash's Lapras, Ash's Snorlax, and the Crystal Onix, and that the battle between Ash and Drake was the series' first full battle. As such, several people are interested in the upcoming [[VideoGame/PokémonSunAndMoon]] because it seems to be something of a loose spiritual adaptation of the Orange Islands arc.
** The Diamond and Pearl seasons
were often criticised initially, due to the repetition of the previous two eras' formula, the ArcFatigue and increased {{Flanderization}} of the cast. After being followed by the Black and White seasons however, which deviated greatly from characterisation and continuity and are often panned for messy pacing and execution (as well as having some of the series' most polarising additions such as Iris, as well as replacing Brock with Cilan and, for the first half of the series, making Team Rocket competent and not funny at all), the DP era tends to be appreciated more for being the last era feeling in tone with the original format.
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format. It also helps that Ash's rivalry with Paul was very intense, Ash shows a great deal of ingenuity as a trainer (such as the countershield), there is character development all around, and the villain plot greatly stands out among the rest, which are typically non-existent or rushed.
8th Aug '16 11:29:12 PM JediMasterDraco
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** It also helps that Ash's rivalry with Paul was very intense, Ash shows a great deal of ingenuity as a trainer (such as the countershield), there is character development all around, and the villain plot greatly stands out among the rest, which are typically non-existent or rushed.
3rd Jul '16 4:16:26 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* That Creator/ADVFilms was given the go-ahead to make an uncut dub of the original ''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross'' and cast Minmay with an actress who actually knew how to make her likeable (Mari Iijima, her original Japanese VA) didn't hurt either.

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* ** That Creator/ADVFilms was given the go-ahead to make an uncut dub of the original ''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross'' and cast Minmay with an actress who actually knew how to make her likeable (Mari Iijima, her original Japanese VA) didn't hurt either.
3rd Jul '16 3:00:42 PM firejewel
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* While ''Anime/DragonBallGT'' is still mostly disliked, or at least considered SoOkayItsAverage, the Super Saiyan 4 transformation is generally considered to be one of its best contributions to the overall lore. When it received canon counterparts in the form of Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue, the SS4 form set itself apart with its more imaginative design and the fact it recalls the association between Saiyans and Apes. ''GT'' also has the fewest continuity errors, but this didn't save the series from being hit with CanonDiscontinuity to make way for ''Battle of Gods'', ''Resurrection F'', and the newest television series, ''Super''.

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* While ''Anime/DragonBallGT'' is still mostly disliked, or at least considered SoOkayItsAverage, the Super Saiyan 4 transformation is generally considered to be one of its best contributions to the overall lore. When it received canon counterparts in the form of Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue, the SS4 [=SS4=] form set itself apart with its more imaginative design and the fact it recalls the association between Saiyans and Apes. ''GT'' also has the fewest continuity errors, but this didn't save the series from being hit with CanonDiscontinuity to make way for ''Battle of Gods'', ''Resurrection F'', and the newest television series, ''Super''.
5th Jun '16 9:11:27 PM BNSF1995
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* The Diamond and Pearl seasons of the ''{{Anime/Pokemon}}'' anime were often criticised initially, due to the repetition of the previous two eras' formula, the ArcFatigue and increased {{Flanderization}} of the cast. After being followed by the Black and White seasons however, which deviated greatly from characterisation and continuity and are often panned for messy pacing and execution (as well as having some of the series' most polarising additions such as Iris), the DP era tends to be appreciated more for being the last era feeling in tone with the original format.

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* The Diamond and Pearl seasons of the ''{{Anime/Pokemon}}'' anime were often criticised initially, due to the repetition of the previous two eras' formula, the ArcFatigue and increased {{Flanderization}} of the cast. After being followed by the Black and White seasons however, which deviated greatly from characterisation and continuity and are often panned for messy pacing and execution (as well as having some of the series' most polarising additions such as Iris), Iris, as well as replacing Brock with Cilan and, for the first half of the series, making Team Rocket competent and not funny at all), the DP era tends to be appreciated more for being the last era feeling in tone with the original format.
5th Jun '16 9:08:50 PM BNSF1995
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* While ''Anime/DragonBallGT'' is still mostly disliked, or at least considered SoOkayItsAverage, the Super Saiyan 4 transformation is generally considered to be one of its best contributions to the overall lore. When it received canon counterparts in the form of Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue, the SS4 form set itself apart with its more imaginative design and the fact it recalls the association between Saiyans and Apes.

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* While ''Anime/DragonBallGT'' is still mostly disliked, or at least considered SoOkayItsAverage, the Super Saiyan 4 transformation is generally considered to be one of its best contributions to the overall lore. When it received canon counterparts in the form of Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue, the SS4 form set itself apart with its more imaginative design and the fact it recalls the association between Saiyans and Apes. ''GT'' also has the fewest continuity errors, but this didn't save the series from being hit with CanonDiscontinuity to make way for ''Battle of Gods'', ''Resurrection F'', and the newest television series, ''Super''.
24th May '16 6:17:00 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* The Vehichle ''{{Voltron}}'' didn't enjoy half the popularity of the Lion Force Voltron. But that's only because it followed the Lion episodes in most markets (in some, it was shown in bits and pieces between several Lion episodes). The Vehicle series wasn't "bad" by any stretch. It simply had the unfortunate tendency to be compared to the "cooler", but more formulaic Lion series. Kids of that time latched on to the Lion series probably because it had elements that they already identified with: Fairy tales (magic, castles, princesses, evil rulers) and superheroes (the SuperRobot and the FiveManBand). Vehicle Voltron was adapted from the more MilitaryScienceFiction show ''Anime/DairuggerXV'', presenting a more mature HardScienceFiction ''Franchise/StarTrek'' like format. It also had a lot of characters to keep track of on both sides as well as presenting a lot of shades of grey instead of good vs. evil. Kids just weren't yet ready for a cartoon that had a lot of character relationships, politics, and subplots. It was the early 80s after all. Kids like their formulas. They just wanted to see "action". But then ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'' would come along and then they'd be ready. Now Vehichle Voltron is looked at as wrongfully underappreciated. One will also now notice that ''Dairugger'' was far less Bowlderized than ''Golion''which even in its original form was formulaic MonsterOfTheWeek.

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* The Vehichle ''{{Voltron}}'' ''Anime/{{Voltron}}'' didn't enjoy half the popularity of the Lion Force Voltron. But that's only because it followed the Lion episodes in most markets (in some, it was shown in bits and pieces between several Lion episodes). The Vehicle series wasn't "bad" by any stretch. It simply had the unfortunate tendency to be compared to the "cooler", but more formulaic Lion series. Kids of that time latched on to the Lion series probably because it had elements that they already identified with: Fairy tales (magic, castles, princesses, evil rulers) and superheroes (the SuperRobot and the FiveManBand). Vehicle Voltron was adapted from the more MilitaryScienceFiction show ''Anime/DairuggerXV'', presenting a more mature HardScienceFiction ''Franchise/StarTrek'' like format. It also had a lot of characters to keep track of on both sides as well as presenting a lot of shades of grey instead of good vs. evil. Kids just weren't yet ready for a cartoon that had a lot of character relationships, politics, and subplots. It was the early 80s after all. Kids like their formulas. They just wanted to see "action". But then ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'' would come along and then they'd be ready. Now Vehichle Voltron is looked at as wrongfully underappreciated. One will also now notice that ''Dairugger'' was far less Bowlderized than ''Golion''which even in its original form was formulaic MonsterOfTheWeek.
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