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26th Aug '16 3:51:53 PM dotchan
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* HollerButton: Buskaboo the Turtle has a horn that does nothing except amuse a button-mashing player.


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26th Aug '16 3:51:11 PM dotchan
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* HollerButton: Buskaboo the Turtle has a horn that does nothing except amuse a button-mashing player.
26th Aug '16 7:24:53 AM dotchan
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* SpeedRun: It's very possible (using cheat codes to bump characters' stats and get items that aren't available early in the game, like [[spoiler:the drum used to call Flammie]]) to beat the game in under five hours if you know what you're doing.

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* SpeedRun: It's very Taking advantage of several {{Good Bad Bug}}s makes it possible (using cheat codes to bump characters' stats and get items that aren't available early in the game, like [[spoiler:the drum used to call Flammie]]) to beat the game in under five hours if you know what you're doing.about four hours.
12th Aug '16 4:45:24 PM dotchan
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* ClassAndLevelSystem: The only ''Mana'' to feature it, and one which might take a bit of grinding to really exploit. The first class change can be achieved when the character is at Lv. 18 (roughly after the Machine Golem fight in the snowfield). This is done by touching any Mana Stone that you can encounter during the game. The second change happens at Lv. 38 (usually earned in the final dungeon... or the Ancient Ruins if you grind like hell); only the Mana Goddess herself can bestow this class, and you need a special item harvested from ??? seeds.

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* ClassAndLevelSystem: The only ''Mana'' to feature it, and one One which might take a bit of grinding to really exploit. The first class change can be achieved when the character is at Lv. 18 (roughly after the Machine Golem fight in the snowfield). This is done by touching any Mana Stone that you can encounter during the game. The second change happens at Lv. 38 (usually earned in the final dungeon... or the Ancient Ruins if you grind like hell); only the Mana Goddess herself can bestow this class, and you need a special item harvested from ??? seeds.
9th Aug '16 8:21:50 PM Ripburger
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* MarathonLevel: To reach the final bosses, you must first comb through an alien landscape (Glass Desert for the Emperor, Jungle of Vision for the Mage, and Cave of Darkness for Archdemon), defeat the Dark God-Beast and a sub-boss, scour the dungeons for three past bosses, and then fight the dungeon boss. There are no gold Goddess statues (just headless ones... shudder), only a long, hard slog back to civilization if you run out restoratives/MP.

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* MarathonLevel: To reach the final bosses, you must first comb through an alien landscape (Glass Desert for the Emperor, Jungle of Vision for the Mage, and Cave of Darkness for Archdemon), defeat the Dark God-Beast and a sub-boss, scour the dungeons for three past bosses, and then fight the dungeon boss. There are no gold Goddess statues after the first boss (just headless ones... shudder), only a long, hard slog back to civilization if you run out restoratives/MP.
9th Aug '16 8:19:02 PM Ripburger
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* AerithAndBob: Hawk, Eagle, Bigieu, Lord Flamekhan... and Bill and Ben. Would you believe it's the last two who pose a genuine threat?

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* AerithAndBob: Hawk, Hawkeye, Eagle, Bigieu, Lord Flamekhan... and Bill and Ben. Would you believe it's the last two who pose a genuine threat?



* AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs: After their hometown gets ransacked by foreign armies, your hero sets out to become strong enough to avenge it. (Barring Carlie, who originates from the neutral city of Wendel). Jadd, Laurent, and Ferolia are always revisited, no matter which heroes you choose. Altena and Nevarl are unlocked only if Angela/Hawk is in the party, since the non-branching story doesn't go there.

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* AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs: After their hometown gets ransacked by foreign armies, your hero sets out to become strong enough to avenge it. (Barring Carlie, Charlotte, who originates from the neutral city of Wendel). Jadd, Laurent, and Ferolia are always revisited, no matter which heroes you choose. Altena and Nevarl are unlocked only if Angela/Hawk Angela/Hawkeye is in the party, since the non-branching story doesn't go there.



* AnnoyingArrows: Hawk's traps--in particular, the "arrow" trap. Tripping the booby trap on a chest might also trigger it.

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* AnnoyingArrows: Hawk's Hawkeye's traps--in particular, the "arrow" trap. Tripping the booby trap on a chest might also trigger it.



Furthermore, Hawk and Kevin can strike twice with their Lv. 1 attacks, which negates the Lv. 2 attack boost (even more so if they have saber spells, which stack with Lv. 1 attacks but not the higher ones). When fighting an immovable boss character, the ability to strike from anywhere in the arena is not as important as raw DPS output.

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Furthermore, Hawk Hawkeye and Kevin can strike twice with their Lv. 1 attacks, which negates the Lv. 2 attack boost (even more so if they have saber spells, which stack with Lv. 1 attacks but not the higher ones). When fighting an immovable boss character, the ability to strike from anywhere in the arena is not as important as raw DPS output.



* BadDreams: Carlie's prologue starts out with a nightmare of her parents abandoning her.

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* BadDreams: Carlie's Charlotte's prologue starts out with a nightmare of her parents abandoning her.



* BoringButPractical: On reflection, Lv. 1 techs. They may just be a glorified melee attack -- but they won't be countered, can be enhanced by elemental sabers, and can still hit multiple enemies if they are bunched together. Even better, Hawk and Kevin have double-strike capability (Hawk wields two daggers, Kevin delivers a one-two jab and uppercut) which carries over into their level ones.

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* BoringButPractical: On reflection, Lv. 1 techs. They may just be a glorified melee attack -- but they won't be countered, can be enhanced by elemental sabers, and can still hit multiple enemies if they are bunched together. Even better, Hawk Hawkeye and Kevin have double-strike capability capability. (Hawk wields two daggers, Kevin delivers a one-two jab and uppercut) which uppercut.) The one-two punch carries over into their level ones.ones. So they deal out the same damage at a faster rate.



** [[spoiler:Loki and Heath are forced to follow orders from their masters, Dragon Emperor and Masked Mage]], respectively. And if you have Duran/Carlie in your party, the fight becomes a bit of a TearJerker.

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** [[spoiler:Loki and Heath are forced to follow orders from their masters, Dragon Emperor and Masked Mage]], respectively. And if you have Duran/Carlie Duran/Charlotte in your party, the fight becomes a bit of a TearJerker.



** Inverted with Nikita, as the cat pops up several times during Hawk's story to break him out of prison, lend him a vital hand against Bigieu, and take care of Jessica so Hawk could carry his mission without worrying for her.

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** Inverted with Nikita, as the cat pops up several times during Hawk's Hawkeye's story to break him out of prison, lend him a vital hand against Bigieu, and take care of Jessica so Hawk Hawkeye could carry his mission without worrying for her.



* CharacterDevelopment: It is highly recommended that you play the three routes with both of each route's central characters (Duran/Angela, Kevin/Carlie, and Lise/Hawk) for this purpose. It doesn't hurt that each pair tends to complement each other's abilities well.

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* CharacterDevelopment: It is highly recommended that you play the three routes with both of each route's central characters (Duran/Angela, Kevin/Carlie, Kevin/Charlotte, and Lise/Hawk) Lise/Hawkeye) for this purpose. It doesn't hurt that each pair tends to complement each other's abilities well.



* CombatPragmatist: Hawk's Nightblade class utilizes poison, blow needles, and bashing the enemy's face in with a wrench.

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* CombatPragmatist: Hawk's Hawkeye's Nightblade class utilizes poison, blow needles, and bashing the enemy's face in with a wrench.



** Hawk's Nightblade class sports one, and some of his equip-able armor is of the CoolMask variety.
* CrashIntoHello: Carlie into Heath right at the start of her story.

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** Hawk's Hawkeye's Nightblade class sports one, and one. And some of his equip-able armor is of the CoolMask variety.
* CrashIntoHello: Carlie Charlotte rams into Heath right at the start of her story.



* DoubleEntendre: When playing Hawk's intro, if you talk to one of the guards at the door of the throne room, he says about the Laurent amazons "I bet they're all cute ladies. I want to poke them with [[ICallHimMisterHappy my dagger]]." Think about it....

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* DoubleEntendre: When playing Hawk's Hawkeye's intro, if you talk to one of the guards at the door of the throne room, he says about the Laurent amazons "I bet they're all cute ladies. I want to poke them with [[ICallHimMisterHappy my dagger]]." Think about it....



* DumpStat: Agility for everyone but Hawk, who uses it for some of his spells. This is due to it being poorly implemented: It was intended that for every point of Agility you had your Evasion Rate would go up by 1%, but instead the game uses the character's class's base Evasion. This would have made it useful for [[SquishyWizard squishier]] character like Angela, but the point of the stat ceases to exist. Though it's often speculated that it increases your chances of randomly executing a short animation composed of invincibility frames when attacked, which is technically different from a "Miss", so the point of the stat might not be entirely lost.

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* DumpStat: Agility for everyone but Hawk, Hawkeye, who uses it for some of his spells. This is due to it being poorly implemented: It was intended that for every point of Agility you had your Evasion Rate would go up by 1%, but instead the game uses the character's class's base Evasion. This would have made it useful for [[SquishyWizard squishier]] character like Angela, but the point of the stat ceases to exist. Though it's often speculated that it increases your chances of randomly executing a short animation composed of invincibility frames when attacked, which is technically different from a "Miss", so the point of the stat might not be entirely lost.



* EvilOverlord: The Dragon Emperor for Duran and Angela, the Masked Mage for Kevin and Carlie, and the Dark Lord (called Dark Prince in the fan translation) for Lise and Hawk.
* EvilSorcerer: The Wizard of the Crimson Lotus, The Masked Mage, and [[spoiler:Heath, Carlie's playmate and supposedly her mentor]].

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* EvilOverlord: The Dragon Emperor for Duran and Angela, the Masked Mage for Kevin and Carlie, Charlotte, and the Dark Lord (called Dark Prince in the fan translation) for Lise and Hawk.
Hawkeye.
* EvilSorcerer: The Wizard of the Crimson Lotus, The Masked Mage, and [[spoiler:Heath, Carlie's Charlotte's playmate and supposedly her mentor]].



** Hawk and Lise: [[spoiler:Archdemon, AKA Dark Lord]], a Lucifer archetype and arguably the worst of the whole rotten lot. Owns a sweet castle.
** Carlie and Kevin: [[spoiler:Masked Mage, or rather, Dark Lich]], a fallen cleric who has bathed himself in dark magic, losing any semblance of humanity he once had.

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** Hawk Hawkeye and Lise: [[spoiler:Archdemon, AKA Dark Lord]], a Lucifer archetype and arguably the worst of the whole rotten lot. Owns a sweet castle.
** Carlie Charlotte and Kevin: [[spoiler:Masked Mage, or rather, Dark Lich]], a fallen cleric who has bathed himself in dark magic, losing any semblance of humanity he once had.



* FirstTown: Astoria. Well, it's the first town common to ALL the characters when any of them are the lead. Most characters have to make a stop in Jadd before they ever reach Astoria, with the exception of Carlie. It's also the first town shop-wise, as Jadd is under a curfew and can't sell you anything.

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* FirstTown: Astoria. Well, it's the first town common to ALL the characters when any of them are the lead. Most characters have to make a stop in Jadd before they ever reach Astoria, with the exception of Carlie.Charlotte. It's also the first town shop-wise, as Jadd is under a curfew and can't sell you anything.



** Carlie gets one even if you didn't select her as a teammate at all.

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** Carlie Charlotte gets one even if you didn't select her as a teammate at all.



** The game doesn't mention this, but certain spells can't be learned unless you've leveled up [[OneStatToRuleThemAll particular attributes]]. Hawk learns new moves by leveling up his AGL and LUCK, but dumping points into his INT is useless. However, Duran (the no-frills tank) must raise his SPIRIT at least a little if he wants to learn his Paladin moves, which require MP to use. The requirements aren't always intuitive, and you may waste a level or two trying out new combinations before you see a result. Thankfully, the game rewards ''every'' spell you've missed along the way (without any fanfare, just a quick message box) once you meet the requirements.

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** The game doesn't mention this, but certain spells can't be learned unless you've leveled up [[OneStatToRuleThemAll particular attributes]]. Hawk Hawkeye learns new moves by leveling up his AGL and LUCK, but dumping points into his INT is useless. However, Duran (the no-frills tank) must raise his SPIRIT at least a little if he wants to learn his Paladin moves, which require MP to use. The requirements aren't always intuitive, and you may waste a level or two trying out new combinations before you see a result. Thankfully, the game rewards ''every'' spell you've missed along the way (without any fanfare, just a quick message box) once you meet the requirements.



* HypnotizeThePrincess: Koren and Bigieu, posing as {{Evil Chancellor}}s of sorts to the north and south, work independently to provoke fighting with their neighbors. Koren reveals that he [[spoiler:hypnotized the Queen of Reason into becoming a warmonger]], and Bigieu basically prostitutes herself out to Lord Flamekhan. By the time Hawk notices something's amiss, she now has mind control powers over the ''entire'' ninja clan, including Eagle and Bill/Ben.

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* HypnotizeThePrincess: Koren and Bigieu, posing as {{Evil Chancellor}}s of sorts to the north and south, work independently to provoke fighting with their neighbors. Koren reveals that he [[spoiler:hypnotized the Queen of Reason into becoming a warmonger]], and Bigieu basically prostitutes herself out to Lord Flamekhan. By the time Hawk Hawkeye notices something's amiss, she now has mind control powers over the ''entire'' ninja clan, including Eagle and Bill/Ben.



* KaleidoscopeHair: The heroes can become blonde (or blonder) through class changes, too. Carlie, Lise, and Kevin are already light-haired, but Angela and Hawk are both dark-haired, and their class-changes with blond hair are both dark-dark.

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* KaleidoscopeHair: The heroes can become blonde (or blonder) through class changes, too. Carlie, Charlotte, Lise, and Kevin are already light-haired, but Angela and Hawk Hawkeye are both dark-haired, and their class-changes with blond hair are both dark-dark.



** Carlie, the Elf-King is your ''other'' grandfather.

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** Carlie, Charlotte, the Elf-King is your ''other'' grandfather.



** This seems to be the characteristic of the Light path. The Dark classes spit out a higher volume of attacks and maximum strength levels. The Light classes, comparatively, have little to offer until about ten hours later, when Light-Light finally yields big dividends -- especially in the final areas of the game. Hawk's first Light class, Ranger, is really underwhelming: No buffs/debuffs, no elemental attacks, and mediocre stats across the board. If you survive long enough to promote him to Wanderer, he'll learn Counter magic -- effectively neutering Koren, who won't be able to lay a finger on your trio. It gets ugly ''real'' fast.

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** This seems to be the characteristic of the Light path. The Dark classes spit out a higher volume of attacks and maximum strength levels. The Light classes, comparatively, have little to offer until about ten hours later, when Light-Light finally yields big dividends -- especially in the final areas of the game. Hawk's Hawkeye's first Light class, Ranger, is really underwhelming: No buffs/debuffs, no elemental attacks, and mediocre stats across the board. If you survive long enough to promote him to Wanderer, he'll learn Counter magic -- effectively neutering Koren, who won't be able to lay a finger on your trio. It gets ugly ''real'' fast.



* MirrorBoss: The Darkshine Knight [[spoiler:is a former Knight of Gold]], Koren is a hopeless student of magic who fast-tracked his abilities due to outside influence, [[spoiler:Heath is the orphan ward of Wendel's top priest]], Lugar is the sneering Beastman general who somehow thinks the throne is rightfully his (in contrast to ReluctantRuler Kevin), Bill and Ben are, or at least used to be, laid-back master ninjas, [[spoiler:Heath]] is fully fledged summoner in addition to his necromancer abilities, granting him all of Carlie's dark magic.

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* MirrorBoss: The Darkshine Knight [[spoiler:is a former Knight of Gold]], Koren is a hopeless student of magic who fast-tracked his abilities due to outside influence, [[spoiler:Heath is the orphan ward of Wendel's top priest]], Lugar is the sneering Beastman general who somehow thinks the throne is rightfully his (in contrast to ReluctantRuler Kevin), Bill and Ben are, or at least used to be, laid-back master ninjas, [[spoiler:Heath]] is fully fledged summoner in addition to his necromancer abilities, granting him all of Carlie's Charlotte's dark magic.



** Each class the heroes can take has a enemy parallel. Duran has knights. Angela magicians. Kevin with werewolves. Light Carlie are potos, while dark Carlie shamans. Light Hawkeye with Chobins and dark has ninjas. Finally, Reise has the bee women and goblins.

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** Each class the heroes can take has a enemy parallel. Duran has knights. Angela magicians. Kevin with werewolves. Light Carlie Charlotte are potos, while dark Carlie Charlotte shamans. Light Hawkeye with Chobins and dark has ninjas. Finally, Reise has the bee women and goblins.



* {{Nerf}}:
** There are fewer special moves (owing to the Lv. 7 percentage meter being replaced with the more streamlined 1-2-3 Tech meter). And the Lv. 3 techs can provoke a nasty response from some enemies, most notably from werewolves and knights.
** Interestingly, you can complete this game with ever having recruited a mage or healer. Magic isn't as devastating as it used to be, and you can scrape by with healing items, but the latter makes boss fights a lot tougher.



* ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything: An EnforcedTrope. Hawk and his feline pal are the only thieves seen doing any stealing: Under Isabella's influence, the thieves' hideout of Navarre is gearing up for cavalry assaults on whole cities.

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* ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything: An EnforcedTrope. Hawk Hawkeye and his feline pal are the only thieves seen doing any stealing: Under Isabella's influence, the thieves' hideout of Navarre is gearing up for cavalry assaults on whole cities.



** Hawk is a thief in a gang of them. Once Hawk decides he no longer wants to be part of the gang because of their growing corruption, they don't graciously let him leave; [[ResignationsNotAccepted they try to have him killed]]. It didn't help that he was framed in the murder of one of their own. When he returns to the gang as a hero trying to stop the end of the world, only two of Hawk's former gang members side with him; the rest are all {{Mook}}s who have to be cut down.

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** Hawk Hawkeye is a thief in a gang of them. Once Hawk Hawkeye decides he no longer wants to be part of the gang because of their growing corruption, they don't graciously let him leave; [[ResignationsNotAccepted they try to have him killed]]. It didn't help that he was framed in the murder of one of their own. When he returns to the gang as a hero trying to stop the end of the world, only two of Hawk's Hawkeye's former gang members side with him; the rest are all {{Mook}}s who have to be cut down.



** Both Kevin and Carlie are HalfHumanHybrids whose genetics give them significant abilities, but also cause a fair share of problems. Both of them have some sort of brain deficiency as a result of being a mix of two species, with Kevin talking in HulkSpeak and Carlie still having the mindset of a small child despite being physically sixteen.

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** Both Kevin and Carlie Charlotte are HalfHumanHybrids whose genetics give them significant abilities, but also cause a fair share of problems. Both of them have some sort of brain deficiency as a result of being a mix of two species, with Kevin talking in HulkSpeak and Carlie Charlotte still having the mindset of a small child despite being physically sixteen.



* ReformedCriminal: Hawk, sort of.

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* ReformedCriminal: Hawk, Hawkeye, sort of.of. He began as a thief, and joined the straight and narrow when his gang was assimilated by the Dark Prince.



* TheRuinsICaused: After you beat Bigieu, her section of the Dark Castle collapses, and the party flees across a connecting bridge to the next tower. If Hawk is with you, he'll stand over the gap and announce that vengeance is his at last.

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* TheRuinsICaused: After you beat Bigieu, her section of the Dark Castle collapses, and the party flees across a connecting bridge to the next tower. If Hawk Hawkeye is with you, he'll stand over the gap and announce that vengeance is his at last.



* SchrodingersGun: Whoever you selected as the main character is going to be the one that ends up hosting the Faerie. Whoever you selected as the second character is going to join you outside the Cave of Waterfalls, and whoever you selected as the third will join you after [[spoiler:they bust you out of the Beastman-occupied Jadd's dungeons]]. Selecting Carlie as your second or third character kinda throws that off (if chosen and not the hero, she ''always'' joins you somewhere between where the other second and third choices join), but [[TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything the dev team thought of that]]: [[spoiler:If Carlie's on your team and thus you already have three characters by the time you get locked up in Jadd, the person in the other cell who busts you out will be a fourth hero who never joins your team (if Duran's not on your team, it'll usually be him), and your party leaves the person behind when they escape on the ship, but fortunately the person is able to escape the city off-screen.]]

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* SchrodingersGun: Whoever you selected as the main character is going to be the one that ends up hosting the Faerie. Whoever you selected as the second character is going to join you outside the Cave of Waterfalls, and whoever you selected as the third will join you after [[spoiler:they bust you out of the Beastman-occupied Jadd's dungeons]]. Selecting Carlie Charlotte as your second or third character kinda throws that off (if chosen and not the hero, she ''always'' joins you somewhere between where the other second and third choices join), but [[TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything the dev team thought of that]]: [[spoiler:If Carlie's Charlotte's on your team and thus you already have three characters by the time you get locked up in Jadd, the person in the other cell who busts you out will be a fourth hero who never joins your team (if Duran's not on your team, it'll usually be him), and your party leaves the person behind when they escape on the ship, but fortunately the person is able to escape the city off-screen.]]



** Unless your protagonist is Hawk or Riesz, the Navarl faction loses big in the Mana Sword sweepstakes. The [[spoiler:Dark Lord]] loses his corporeal form in exchange for opening the way to the Mana Tree, but his enemies steal the body and destroy it before he can be properly revived. The Earl insists they can still keep to the plan by taking back the sword and unsealing their underworld armies, but [[spoiler:Bigieu is unable to go on without her love. Rather than live in disgrace, she murder-suicides herself and the Earl]].

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** Unless your protagonist is Hawk Hawkeye or Riesz, the Navarl faction loses big in the Mana Sword sweepstakes. The [[spoiler:Dark Lord]] loses his corporeal form in exchange for opening the way to the Mana Tree, but his enemies steal the body and destroy it before he can be properly revived. The Earl insists they can still keep to the plan by taking back the sword and unsealing their underworld armies, but [[spoiler:Bigieu is unable to go on without her love. Rather than live in disgrace, she murder-suicides herself and the Earl]].



* SimpleYetAwesome: Hawk's "Ninja Master" class gains the ability to multi-target his Shuriken ability. This means you have a fast-casting ability that hits all enemies on the screen, does significant damage, knocks enemies back, and lowers their evasion. All for only 1 MP. Fans have dubbed it the "1 MP Wonder".

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* SimpleYetAwesome: Hawk's Hawkeye's "Ninja Master" class gains the ability to multi-target his Shuriken ability. This means you have a fast-casting ability that hits all enemies on the screen, does significant damage, knocks enemies back, and lowers their evasion. All for only 1 MP. Fans have dubbed it the "1 MP Wonder".



* SpikyHair: Hawk's pal, Eagle.

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* SpikyHair: Hawk's Hawkeye's pal, Eagle.



** If you liked the party from ''VideoGame/SecretOfMana'', Duran, Carlie, and Angela make good replacements for Randi, Purim, and Popoie, respectively (though unlike Randi, Duran can learn his own magic). Interestingly you can complete this game with ever having recruited a mage or healer. Magic isn't as devastating as it used to be, and you can scrape by with healing items, but the latter makes boss fights a lot tougher.

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** If you liked the party from ''VideoGame/SecretOfMana'', Duran, Carlie, Charlotte, and Angela make good replacements for Randi, Purim, and Popoie, respectively (though Popoie. (Though unlike Randi, ''[=SoM=]'', Duran can learn his own magic). Interestingly you magic, and Charlotte can complete this game with ever having recruited a mage or healer. Magic isn't as devastating as it used switch to be, and you can scrape by with healing items, but the latter makes boss fights a lot tougher.black magic.)



** Hawk and Eagle.

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** Hawk Hawkeye and Eagle.



* ThirdPersonPerson: Carlie.

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* ThirdPersonPerson: Carlie.Charlotte.



** Hawk and Lise. Especially if they're both in your party, and either them is the leader.
** [[spoiler:During the battle to retake Laurent, if you have Lise in your party but not Hawk, Hawk will ask the party to spare Bigieu's life. Lise will agree, and Hawk will kiss her, causing Lise to freak out.]]

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** Hawk Hawkeye and Lise. Especially if they're both in your party, and either them is the leader.
** [[spoiler:During the battle to retake Laurent, if you have Lise in your party but not Hawk, Hawk Hawkeye, Hawkeye will ask the party to spare Bigieu's life. Lise will agree, and Hawk Hawkeye will kiss her, causing Lise to freak out.]]



* YouAllMeetInAnInn: Played with. You can find every potential party member except Carlie at the tavern in Castle City Jadd, but nobody actually joins your party until later.
* YouAllMeetInACell: Also played with. If you didn't pick Carlie as your third party member, you'll pick up your third after being thrown in the Jadd prison upon defeating the first boss. Subverted if Carlie ''is'' your third party member, in which case your party is already full and your would-be fourth member just helps you break out of jail and is left behind when your party [[GetOnTheBoat gets on the boat]].

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* YouAllMeetInAnInn: Played with. You can find every potential party member except Carlie Charlotte at the tavern in Castle City Jadd, but nobody actually joins your party until later.
* YouAllMeetInACell: Also played with. If you didn't pick Carlie Charlotte as your third party member, you'll pick up your third after being thrown in the Jadd prison upon defeating the first boss. Subverted if Carlie Charlotte ''is'' your third party member, in which case your party is already full and your would-be fourth member just helps you break out of jail and is left behind when your party [[GetOnTheBoat gets on the boat]].
9th Aug '16 8:07:54 PM Ripburger
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It plays very similarly to its predecessor ''VideoGame/SecretOfMana'', the big difference being that the percentage meter (which limited the frequency of melee attacks) has been removed. ''[=SoM=]''[='=]s {{charged attack}}s have also been replaced by {{Limit Break}}s (or "Techs"). The meter builds with each successful hit on the enemy, greatly speeding up the gameplay.

In a departure from the norm, ''[=SD3=]'' revolves around six characters of which any three can make up your party. Your heroes start the adventure in a default job, but have opportunities to pursue Light or Dark magicks later on -- sort of a mix between ''VideoGame/The7thSaga'' and the ''VideoGame/{{SaGa}}'' games. Unlike in most [[EasternRPG JRPGs]], there are no takebacks, and the fruits of your labor may not become apparent for a while. The 36 classes add replay value to a game already overstuffed with configurations.

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It plays very similarly to its predecessor ''VideoGame/SecretOfMana'', the big difference being that the percentage meter (which limited the frequency of melee attacks) has been removed.is gone. ''[=SoM=]''[='=]s {{charged attack}}s have also been replaced by {{Limit Break}}s (or "Techs"). The meter builds with each successful hit on the enemy, greatly speeding up the gameplay.

In a departure from the norm, ''[=SD3=]'' revolves around six characters of which any three can make up your party. Your heroes start the adventure in a default job, but have opportunities to pursue Light or Dark magicks later on -- sort of a mix between ''VideoGame/The7thSaga'' and the ''VideoGame/{{SaGa}}'' games. Unlike in most [[EasternRPG JRPGs]], there are no takebacks, and the fruits of your labor may not become apparent for a while. The 36 classes add replay value to a game already overstuffed stuffed with configurations.
9th Aug '16 8:06:38 PM Ripburger
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It plays very similarly to its predecessor ''VideoGame/SecretOfMana'', the big difference being that the percentage meter (which limited the frequency of melee attacks) has been removed. Now the meter builds with each successful hit on the enemy. ''[=SoM=]''[='=]s {{charged attack}}s have also been replaced by {{Limit Break}}s (or "Techs"), greatly speeding up the gameplay.

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It plays very similarly to its predecessor ''VideoGame/SecretOfMana'', the big difference being that the percentage meter (which limited the frequency of melee attacks) has been removed. Now the meter builds with each successful hit on the enemy. ''[=SoM=]''[='=]s {{charged attack}}s have also been replaced by {{Limit Break}}s (or "Techs"), "Techs"). The meter builds with each successful hit on the enemy, greatly speeding up the gameplay.



It's also one of the meaner ''Mana'' entries, ideal for ''[=SoM=]'' veterans but perhaps a tough nut for newbies to crack.

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It's also one of the meaner ''Mana'' entries, ideal entries: Ideal for ''[=SoM=]'' veterans veterans, but perhaps a tough nut for newbies to crack.
26th Jun '16 2:12:07 PM dotchan
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* AnotherSideAnotherStory: Out of six playable characters, you can only choose three to build your party for any given playthrough, and only ''one'' can be the Mana Knight (which grants him or her additional screen time and also determines who the final boss will be). The remaining three become [=NPCs=] who you may or may not cross paths at various points. Thus, every playthrough with a different party combination can become Another Story.\\\
Another thing to consider is each character has a rival who is also the Big Bad's right-hand man. Rivals have an adversarial relationship with at least two main characters (e.g. Deathjester orchestrates the murder of Karl, then makes off with Heath).

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* AnotherSideAnotherStory: AnotherSideAnotherStory:
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Out of six playable characters, you can only choose three to build your party for any given playthrough, and only ''one'' can be the Mana Knight (which grants him or her additional screen time and also determines who the final boss will be). The remaining three become [=NPCs=] who you may or may not cross paths at various points. Thus, every playthrough with a different party combination can become Another Story.\\\
Story.
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Another thing to consider is each character has a rival who is also the Big Bad's right-hand man. Rivals have an adversarial relationship with at least two main characters (e.g. Deathjester orchestrates the murder of Karl, then makes off with Heath).
26th Jun '16 2:03:39 PM dotchan
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* LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards: Averted. Seems to fall into this trope in the early game, where the male characters (and Lise) have to rely solely on their weapons and have to use healing or magic items, while the two spellcasters can make excelent use of their MP. After the first class change, however, everyone begins learning spells and skills of their own.

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* LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards: Averted. Seems to fall into this trope in the early LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards:
** Early
game, where the male physical attackers do tend to be more powerful than the casters (who need a meat shield to tank hits for them while they stand immobile to cast), and pure casters do outdamage pure hitters, but most of the main characters (and Lise) have to rely solely end up being some kind of MagicKnight (depending on their weapons and have to use healing or magic items, while which of the two spellcasters can make excelent use of their MP. After upgraded classes they choose).
** InUniverse, Duran's motivation to get
the first class change, however, everyone begins learning spells and skills of their own.Mana Sword is because the Lotus Sorcerer handily defeated him in a CurbStompBattle.
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