History VideoGame / FinalFantasyVIII

17th Aug '17 7:09:17 AM rixion
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** FinalBossNewDimension: The climactic battle against Ultimecia begins in her throne room, but grows increasingly chaotic as TimeCompression proceeds; the last stage occurs in a nearly-featureless void.

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** FinalBossNewDimension: The climactic battle against Ultimecia begins in her throne room, but grows increasingly chaotic as TimeCompression Time Compression proceeds; the last stage occurs in a nearly-featureless void.



** Another example is an entire mini-game mode for the PocketStation, which [[NoExportForYou never made it out of Japan]]. Said mode is still referenced in the English release and manual, probably because the decision not to release the hardware hadn't been made yet. It is possible to play with an imported Pocket Station from Japan. The mini-game could be used to get many useful items, guardian forces, and of course, HundredPercentCompletion. However, the PC version had this mini-game as a separate program.

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** Another example is an entire mini-game mode for the PocketStation, Pocketstation, which [[NoExportForYou never made it out of Japan]]. Said mode is still referenced in the English release and manual, probably because the decision not to release the hardware hadn't been made yet. It is possible to play with an imported Pocket Station from Japan. The mini-game could be used to get many useful items, guardian forces, and of course, HundredPercentCompletion. However, the PC version had this mini-game as a separate program.



** Ditto for the Doomtrain GF. You'll likely piece most of it together through Occult Fan magazines (and good luck knowing they exist); but the third item needed to summon him (hint: [[spoiler:Remedy+, an item only found by Alexander's MedLVUp ability) has eluded some players on their first runs.

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** Ditto for the Doomtrain GF. You'll likely piece most of it together through Occult Fan magazines (and good luck knowing they exist); but the third item needed to summon him (hint: [[spoiler:Remedy+, an item only found by Alexander's MedLVUp [=MedLVUp=] ability) has eluded some players on their first runs.
10th Aug '17 2:52:58 PM nirao01
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* GenderEqualEnsemble: There are six playable characters, divided equally for each gender. There are also two {{Guest Star Party Member}}s throughout the game with the same ratio.



** [[TallDarkAndHandome Laguna]] himself is a RareMaleExample.

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** [[TallDarkAndHandome [[TallDarkAndHandsome Laguna]] himself is a RareMaleExample.RareMaleExample.
* RealAfterAll: [[spoiler:Squall and company has this reaction towards their dream sequences about Laguna and his pals after TheReveal that said experiences are due to MentalTimeTravel.]]



* TheReveal: NORG revealing that Edea [[spoiler:is married to Cid]].

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* TheReveal: TheReveal:
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NORG revealing that Edea [[spoiler:is married to Cid]].


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* TwoGirlsToATeam:
** Shiva and Siren are the only female Guardian Forces.
** There are only two prominent female characters in the Laguna sequences: Ellone and Raine ([[spoiler:Edea]]'s cameo in the fourth doesn't really count).


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* WhamLine:
** When Squall confronts NORG after thwarting his coup, which was caused by NORG wanting to turn the [=SeeDs=] over to Sorceress Edea after their failed assassination attempt on her, the following exchange takes place.
-->'''NORG:''' THIS-IS-MY-GARDEN!
-->'''Squall:''' NO! It's not just yours.
-->'''NORG:''' Bujurururu! THEN-WHAT-IS-IT!? IS-IT-CID'S-AND-[[spoiler:EDEA]]'S!? THAT-PATHETIC-[[spoiler:MARRIED-COUPLE]]'S!?
** A mysterious group clad in white claiming to be [=SeeDs=] arrive in Balamb Garden, asking for a particular person to come with them.
-->'''White [=SeeD=]:''' We've come for [[spoiler:[[RealAfterAll Ellone]]]].
** When the party members except for Rinoa [[spoiler:remember that they were all in the same orphanage along with [[TheRivalSeifer]], Irvine reveals who the orphan matron really is]].
-->'''Irvine:''' [[spoiler:Matron's name is Edea Kramer. Matron IS Sorceress Edea]].
** Immediately after [[spoiler:rescuing Rinoa from the Sorceress memorial]], the [=SeeDs=] are hired by Esthar. Then Zell informs Squall of the name of their client.
-->'''Zell:''' By the way, the guy says he's [[spoiler:Kiros]].


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** Seifer appearing in Deling's live speech in Timber to kill him, followed by Quistis trying to apprehend him.
** Seifer appearing with Sorceress Edea in the Deling City parade.


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** [[spoiler:Selphie and her party apparently dying in the Galbadian missile base.]]
** Squall and his party arriving in Balamb only to see that it's in chaos.
** The PensieveFlashback of the main characters except Rinoa [[spoiler:during their time at the same orphanage]].
** TheReveal of who the President of Esthar is. Same goes for his advisers.
10th Aug '17 2:08:12 PM nirao01
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* ArcWords: "Fithos Lusec Wecos Vinosec" can be heard in various musical pieces from the opening FMV to the absolute FinalBattle. It's a fake-Latin anagram of the game's two intertwining themes: "Love" and the "Succession of Witches".



* ChewingTheScenery: Zell, Selphie, Seifer, and Laguna are all theatrical characters. They would've been {{Large Ham}}s if the game had voice acting.



* FlowerMotifs: All over the place. From the characters' base of operations being called ''Garden'', to their group being called ''[=SeeDs=]''. Both of the game's opening and closing montages also happen in an actual garden.



* ForgottenFirstMeeting: [[spoiler: The main characters sans Rinoa grew-up in the same orphanage that Edea and Cid ran. They just forgot about it due to the side effect of constant GF use. Irvine is the only one who remembers since he hasn't use a GF until he joins you.]]



* FusionDance: With [[spoiler:Griever in the final battle]].

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* FusionDance: With [[spoiler:Griever [[spoiler:Ultimecia with Griever in the final battle]].FinalBattle]].



* GreatEscape: The team does this getting out of [[spoiler:D-District Prison]].

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* GreatEscape: GreatEscape:
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The team does this getting out of [[spoiler:D-District Prison]].Prison]].
** Lagunam, Kiros, and Ward does this in Esthar during the final "dream sequence". Laguna even lampshades it.
-->'''Laguna:''' Jail Break!



* HotWitch: Aside from [[BrawnHilda Adel]], every sorceress introduced are certified knock-outs.



* ALadyOnEachArm: Irvine does this with Rinoa and Selphie if you follow his suggested party split at Galbadia Garden. It's possible to swap one of them out for Quistis, but for some reason, Irvine isn't as happy about it.
** [[spoiler:It's because he remembers her as a big sister figure.]]

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* ALadyOnEachArm: Irvine does this with Rinoa and Selphie if you follow his suggested party split at Galbadia Garden. It's possible to swap one of them out for Quistis, but for some reason, Irvine isn't as happy about it.
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it. [[spoiler:It's likely because he remembers her as a big sister figure.]]



* RavenHairIvorySkin:
** Rinoa is light-skinned and dark-haired. Although her character designer intended her to be "[[TheCutie cute]]" rather than gorgeous it's obvious this aspect of her appearance is meant to amp up her looks.
** Edea also has these features, though this overlaps with EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette due to being a sorceress with an [[PimpedOutDress outrageous outfit. [[spoiler:Her beauty is more pronounced in her regular outfits as seen in the flashbacks and the game's closing credits.]]
** Julia is yet another example, as she is desired by Laguna and most of the Galbadian soldiers except Kiros and Ward. [[spoiler:She's also Rinoa's mother.]]
** [[TallDarkAndHandome Laguna]] himself is a RareMaleExample.



* [[SheIsAllGrownUp She's All Grown Up]]: Ellone.

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* [[SheIsAllGrownUp She's All Grown Up]]: Ellone.SheIsAllGrownUp: Ellone. [[spoiler:Puberty is also kind to the main characters judging from the PensieveFlashback.]]



* ShesGotLegs: Selphie, Rinoa in her white dress and Ultimecia.

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* ShesGotLegs: Selphie, Rinoa in her white dress dress, Julia ([[spoiler:who is Rinoa's mother]]), and Ultimecia.



* StormingTheBeaches:
** How the [=SeeD=] exam in Dollet happens in Disc 1. Their mission is to drive out the Galbadian forces.
** The entrance to TheVeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon is through a beach near [[spoiler:the orphanage the main characters were raised]].



* TallDarkAndHandsome: Laguna and Squall get two out of three; at 175cm, and 172cm respectively, they are shorter than any other male playable character in the game except for Zell.

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* TallDarkAndHandsome: Laguna and Squall get two out of three; at 175cm, and 172cm respectively, they are shorter than any other male playable character in the game except for Zell. Laguna's height is later updated to 5'11 by WordOfGod, thus playing this trope straight.



** AnimalThemeNaming: The Timber resistance groups.

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** AnimalThemeNaming: The Timber resistance groups.groups such as the Forrest Owls and Forrest Fox.



** VehicularThemenaming: Irvine's weapons are named after battleships.

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** VehicularThemenaming: VehicularThemeNaming: Irvine's weapons are named after battleships.



** There are only two notable characters who appear to be of Asian descent: Xu and Dr. Odine.



* TookALevelInIdealism: The game follows [[TheHero Squall]] as he breaks out of his cynicism to properly connect with other people, Rinoa especially.



* UnexplainedRecovery:
** The final cutscene of Disc 1 shows [[spoiler:Squall]] being ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice. The character's first scene in Disc 2 shows him just fine, even lampshading how the hell is he still alive.
** Before the FinalBattle of Disc 1, the characters are informed that Seifer is executed. He shows up as TheDragon not shortly after.



* WackyParentSeriousChild: [[spoiler:Laguna]] and [[spoiler:Squall]] respectively. The father is a BunnyEarsLawyer who tends to misuse words and in general is a total loon, while the son is brooding, stoic and professional. Interestingly, [[spoiler:their familial ties [[TheUnreveal is never revealed]] in the game]].
-->'''[[spoiler:Squall]]:''' I dreamt I was a moron.



* WhamShot: When trying to focus on a subject to allow him to escape the end of time, Squall picks Rinoa, and we see every encounter cutscene the two have shared. [[spoiler: Squall's reliance on the Guardian Forces has led him to forget Rinoa's face, blurred out in all the cutscenes and stranding him.]]

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* WhamShot: WhamShot:
** [[spoiler:Edea {{impal|edWithExtremePrejudice}}ing Squall via her LimitBreak]] during the concluding cutscene of Disc 1.
** [[spoiler:Seifer killing Odin]] at the start of Disc 3's FinalBattle.
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When trying to focus on a subject to allow him to escape the end of time, Squall picks Rinoa, and we see every encounter cutscene the two have shared. [[spoiler: Squall's reliance on the Guardian Forces has led him to forget Rinoa's face, blurred out in all the cutscenes and stranding him.]]
7th Aug '17 5:15:20 PM jameygamer
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1st Aug '17 9:27:06 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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''Final Fantasy VIII'' deals with the conflict between childhood and adulthood. It examines the consequences of being forced to "grow up", and the nostalgia for an earlier and simpler past and the fear of an uncertain future that goes hand-in-hand with that. The main characters are [[ChildSoldiers teenage orphans trained as soldiers]] from a young age and taught to suppress their emotions and free will for the sake of the mission. Unfortunately, human emotion cannot be so easily repressed in minds so young, and the "save the world" story is merely a FramingDevice for a sombre ComingOfAgeStory between the main characters. Its other theme, the one used for marketing, is love. In addition to various couples, the bonds between parents and children are examined, as well as between friends and siblings. On a cosmetic note, this is where ''Final Fantasy'' started to eschew the SuperDeformed characters traditionally found on overworlds and battle screens. Additionally, Square took the localisation process much more seriously: the company hired translators (both for English and the other European languages) to work alongside the Japanese development team as the game was being created, which is now pretty much standard procedure for ''Final Fantasy'' translations. Finally, the in-game technology level was similar to that of the RealLife world it was released into; characters could rent cars along with chocobos, interact on Internet posting boards, and play a CollectibleCardGame. The resulting tone is surprisingly mundane; the characters are grounded and approachable, the story generally [[SlidingScaleOfRealisticVersusFantastic more serious than before,]] and the world not too different.

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''Final Fantasy VIII'' deals with the conflict between childhood and adulthood. It examines the consequences of being forced to "grow up", and the nostalgia for an earlier and simpler past and the fear of an uncertain future that goes hand-in-hand with that. The main characters are [[ChildSoldiers teenage orphans trained as soldiers]] from a young age and taught to suppress their emotions and free will for the sake of the mission. Unfortunately, human emotion cannot be so easily repressed in minds so young, and the "save the world" story is merely a FramingDevice for a sombre ComingOfAgeStory between the main characters. Its other theme, the one used for marketing, is love. In addition to various couples, the bonds between parents and children are examined, as well as between friends and siblings. On a cosmetic note, this is where ''Final Fantasy'' started to eschew the SuperDeformed characters traditionally found on overworlds and battle screens. Additionally, Square [[Creator/SquareEnix Square]] took the localisation process much more seriously: the company hired translators (both for English and the other European languages) to work alongside the Japanese development team as the game was being created, which is now pretty much standard procedure for ''Final Fantasy'' translations. Finally, the in-game technology level was similar to that of the RealLife world it was released into; characters could rent cars along with chocobos, interact on Internet posting boards, and play a CollectibleCardGame. The resulting tone is surprisingly mundane; the characters are grounded and approachable, the story generally [[SlidingScaleOfRealisticVersusFantastic more serious than before,]] and the world not too different.
26th Jul '17 2:15:31 AM ZuTheSkunk
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* AchievementMockery: There is a Steam achievement for losing a rare card in Triple Triad. Then again, [[ViolationOfCommonSense you have to lose specific rare cards to the Queen of Cards to advance her sidequest]], so completionists will have to get this sooner or later.
2nd Jul '17 7:52:20 PM saiokuo
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** When you pass by the outdoor Timber TV screen you can notice a message in the garbled text... [[spoiler: It's Adel calling out from her prison demanding to not be forgotten; "I'm alive. Bring me back there. I'll never let you forget me."]]
2nd Jul '17 7:16:57 PM saiokuo
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** An observant player may also notice the mural of [[spoiler: Winhill]] in the presidential palace.
26th Jun '17 2:14:23 PM DrakeClawfang
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* HaveAGayOldTime: Seifer's "romantic dream" of being a Sorceress Knight. He's talking in the classical definition of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chivalric_romance chivalric romance]], which was all about knights and heroism, a genre and time where to love someone meant to be loyal to them, as a knight would proclaim his love for his king. Without that context to put his other dialogue into context, it comes off as Seifer dreaming about romantic attraction, rather than being the heroic knight protecting Edea.

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* HaveAGayOldTime: Seifer's "romantic dream" of being a Sorceress Knight. He's talking in the classical definition of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chivalric_romance chivalric romance]], which was all about knights and heroism, a genre and time where to love someone meant to be loyal to them, as a knight would proclaim his love for his king. Without that context background to put his other dialogue into context, proper ontext, it comes off as Seifer dreaming about romantic attraction, rather than being the heroic knight protecting Edea.
26th Jun '17 2:13:33 PM DrakeClawfang
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* HaveAGayOldTime: Seifer's "romantic dream" of being a Sorceress Knight. He's talking in the classical definition of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chivalric_romance chivalric romance]], which was all about knights and heroism, a genre and time where to love someone meant to be loyal to them, as a knight would proclaim his love for his king. Without that context to put his other dialogue into context, it comes off as Seifer dreaming about romantic attraction, rather than being the heroic knight protecting Edea.
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