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An early StrategyRPG made by Squaresoft (now Creator/SquareEnix) [[NoExportForYou released only in Japan]]. It includes much of the ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' feel and characteristics, including spell names and the names of the dragons: Bahamut, Alexander, Leviathan, and Valefor, to name a few. The battle system is an early example of a Tactics-style game, and is well-loved for being practical yet NintendoHard.

The game is set in the sky world of Orelus, and follows HeroicMime Byuu as he leads the [[LaResistance The Resistance]] against the [[TheEmpire Granbelos Empire]]. Along the way, he rescues his childhood sweetheart, Princess Yoyo. The princess, a summoner, has the ability to communicate with the Holy Dragons and use their powers in battle. The heroes attempt to collect their power to use against the empire, while Emperor Sauzer attempts to gather them for himself. Their battle against the Empire and the greater threat it unleashes range all across the sky and even into the world of origin for the dragons themselves. And Yoyo's experiences with the Empire weren't all negative...

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An early StrategyRPG made by Squaresoft (now Creator/SquareEnix) [[NoExportForYou released only in Japan]]. It includes much of the ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' feel and characteristics, including spell names and the names of the dragons: Bahamut, Alexander, Leviathan, and Valefor, to name a few. The battle system is an early example of a Tactics-style game, and is well-loved for being practical yet NintendoHard.

The game is set in the sky world of Orelus, and follows HeroicMime Byuu as he leads the [[LaResistance The Resistance]] against the [[TheEmpire Granbelos Empire]]. Along the way, he rescues his childhood sweetheart, Princess Yoyo. The princess, a summoner, has the ability to communicate with the Holy Dragons and use their powers in battle. The heroes attempt to collect their power to use against the empire, while Emperor Sauzer attempts to gather them for himself. Their battle against the Empire and the greater threat it unleashes range all across the sky and even into the world of origin for the dragons themselves. And Yoyo's experiences with the Empire weren't all negative...



The game includes much of the ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' feel and characteristics, including spell names and the names of the dragons: Bahamut, Alexander, Leviathan, and Valefor, to name a few. It directly influenced ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'': the plot structures and several key characters of the two games are very similar.



The game directly influenced ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'': the plot structures and several key characters of the two games are very similar.

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The game directly influenced ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'': the plot structures and several key characters of the two games are very similar.
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An early StrategyRPG made by Squaresoft (now SquareEnix) [[NoExportForYou released only in Japan]]. It includes much of the ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' feel and characteristics, including spell names and the names of the dragons: Bahamut, Alexander, Leviathan, and Valefor, to name a few. The battle system is an early example of a Tactics-style game, and is well-loved for being practical yet NintendoHard.

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An early StrategyRPG made by Squaresoft (now SquareEnix) Creator/SquareEnix) [[NoExportForYou released only in Japan]]. It includes much of the ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' feel and characteristics, including spell names and the names of the dragons: Bahamut, Alexander, Leviathan, and Valefor, to name a few. The battle system is an early example of a Tactics-style game, and is well-loved for being practical yet NintendoHard.
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* ParentalBonus: The game is infamous for being littered with [[VulgarHumor dirty jokes]] and their varying degrees of brazenness. Namely [[spoiler:the 12-pack of condoms in a drawer with one missing, jock itch, the princess's pubes, old man Sendak's constant passes at Byuu with some lines that had to be [[DummiedOut cut]], Frederica's drug habit, moaning coming from Yoyo's room that isn't due to the Holy Dragons, etc. etc.]]

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* ParentalBonus: The game is infamous for being littered with [[VulgarHumor dirty jokes]] and their varying degrees of brazenness. Namely [[spoiler:the 12-pack of condoms in a drawer with one missing, jock itch, possibly the princess's pubes, pubes or underwear, old man Sendak's constant passes at Byuu with some lines that had to be [[DummiedOut cut]], Frederica's drug habit, moaning coming from Yoyo's room that isn't due to the Holy Dragons, etc. etc.]]
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* ParentalBonus: The game is infamous for being littered with [[VulgarHumor dirty jokes]] and their varying degrees of brazenness. Namely [[spoiler:the 12-pack of condoms in a drawer with one missing, jock itch, the princess's pubes, old man Sendak's constant passes at Byuu with some lines that had to be [[DummiedOut cut]], Frederica's drug habit, moaning coming from Yoyo's room that isn't due to the Holy Dragons, etc. etc.]]
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It\'s her pubic hair, but I don\'t know if I\'m allowed to say that.


* KleptomaniacHeroFoundUnderwear: Byuu finds quite a number of "drawer things" - things from a drawer in the wink and nudge sense. You can also find "Princess' ???", usually in the suspicious location of Yoyo's bed. However, you can also find "Gunso's ???" by talking to him at pretty much any time...

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* KleptomaniacHeroFoundUnderwear: Byuu finds quite a number of "drawer things" - things from a drawer in the wink and nudge sense. You can also find "Princess' ???", usually in the suspicious location of Yoyo's bed. [[spoiler: In Japan, a certain female body hair is considered a good luck charm.]] However, you can also find "Gunso's ???" by talking to him at pretty much any time...
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* MightyGlacier: Royal Guard Matelite and the Heavy Armor Warriors Taicho, Gunso and Barclay.

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* FragileSpeedster: The Light Armor Warriors Lukia, Jeanne and Mist.

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An early StrategyRPG made by Squaresoft (now [[SquareEnix Square-Enix]]) [[NoExportForYou released only in Japan]]. It includes much of the ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' feel and characteristics, including spell names and the names of the dragons: Bahamut, Alexander, Leviathan, and Valefor, to name a few. The battle system is an early example of a Tactics-style game, and is well-loved for being practical yet NintendoHard.

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An early StrategyRPG made by Squaresoft (now [[SquareEnix Square-Enix]]) SquareEnix) [[NoExportForYou released only in Japan]]. It includes much of the ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' feel and characteristics, including spell names and the names of the dragons: Bahamut, Alexander, Leviathan, and Valefor, to name a few. The battle system is an early example of a Tactics-style game, and is well-loved for being practical yet NintendoHard.



''BahamutLagoon'' is notable for having very pretty graphics, being one of the last Squaresoft games to be released for the Super Nintendo. It's ''also'' notable for having quite explicit sexual content (though primarily in dialogue) and an openly gay old wizard as one of its main characters.

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''BahamutLagoon'' ''Bahamut Lagoon'' is notable for having very pretty graphics, being one of the last Squaresoft games to be released for the Super Nintendo. It's ''also'' notable for having quite explicit sexual content (though primarily in dialogue) and an openly gay old wizard as one of its main characters.



* ChildhoodFriendRomance: [[spoiler:Byuu, of the Unlucky kind. Yoyo ends up choosing Palpaleos over him.]]
** [[spoiler:Matelite]], in a way, is the Unlucky one as well.
*** Then again, [[spoiler: Palpaleos end up dead and Byuu wandering the sky on Bahamut's back, so Matelite]] still has his chances, thanks to the competition being gone (who said that [[UndyingLoyalty thick headed loyalty]] did not pay?)



* DidNotGetTheGirl: See UnluckyChildhoodFriend below.
* DistressedDamsel: Yoyo. A good part of the game is spent attempting to rescue her from the Empire. [[spoiler: Associated tropes are subverted, though, in that she falls for her kidnapper and is actually the one of most powerful characters in the game, in terms of both story and gameplay.]]

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* DidNotGetTheGirl: See UnluckyChildhoodFriend below.
* DistressedDamsel:
DamselInDistress: Yoyo. A good part of the game is spent attempting to rescue her from the Empire. [[spoiler: Associated tropes are subverted, though, in that she falls for her kidnapper and is actually the one of most powerful characters in the game, in terms of both story and gameplay.]]]]
* DidNotGetTheGirl: See ChildhoodFriendRomance above.



* UnluckyChildhoodFriend: [[spoiler:Byuu. Yoyo ends up choosing Palpaleos over him.]]
** [[spoiler:Matelite]], in a way, is one as well.
*** Then again, [[spoiler: Palpaleos end up dead and Byuu wandering the sky on Bahamut's back, so Matelite]] still has his chances, thanks to the competition being gone (who said that [[UndyingLoyalty thick headed loyalty]] did not pay?)
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''BahamutLagoon'' is also notable for having very pretty graphics, being one of the last Squaresoft games to be released for the Super Nintendo. It's ''also'' notable for having quite explicit sexual content (though primarily in dialogue) and an openly gay old wizard as one of its main characters.

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''BahamutLagoon'' is also notable for having very pretty graphics, being one of the last Squaresoft games to be released for the Super Nintendo. It's ''also'' notable for having quite explicit sexual content (though primarily in dialogue) and an openly gay old wizard as one of its main characters.

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The game directly influenced ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX''. The plot structures and several key characters of the two games are very similar.


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* AirborneAircraftCarrier: Fahrenheit's main function besides being an HQ, just replace Aircraft with Dragons.



* AirborneAircraftCarrier: Fahrenheit's main function besides being an HQ, just replace Aircraft with Dragons.



* TheSkyIsAnOcean



* TheSkyIsAnOcean
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* TitleDrop: during the ending. [[spoiler:Bahamut claims Orelus as his lagoon.]]
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Each role needs context to say how it fits. The roles are innocent child, wise wife, and sexual seductress, not mother, not tomboy and feminine doesn\'t say anything because all three are feminine.


* TheThreeFacesOfEve: With no less than ''three'' example groups: main characters Yoyo, Melodia (the BrattyHalfPint / TokenMiniMoe) and Zora (the mother); light armor warriors Lukia (the feminine one), Jeanne (the {{Tomboy}}), and Mist (the fragile one); and healers Joy (the WhiteMagicianGirl), Diana (the {{Tomboy}}) and Frederica (the fragile, childish one).
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The Airship in FFX was Fahrenheit.


The game directly influenced ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX''. The plot structures and several key characters of the two games are very similar. This link between the two games was lampshaded with ''FFX-2'''s airship, named Celsius -- the airship in ''Bahamut Lagoon'' is called Fahrenheit.

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The game directly influenced ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX''. The plot structures and several key characters of the two games are very similar. This link between the two games was lampshaded with ''FFX-2'''s airship, named Celsius -- the airship in ''Bahamut Lagoon'' is called Fahrenheit.
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* HoYay: [[spoiler:Sendak's attraction to Byuu]].

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* HoYay: HomoeroticSubtext: [[spoiler:Sendak's attraction to Byuu]].



* UnfortunateCharacterDesign: Yoyo's first battle sprite. It makes her look like she has a giant chin (which is, in fact, her neck).
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An early [[TurnBasedStrategy tactical RPG]] made by Squaresoft (now [[SquareEnix Square-Enix]]) [[NoExportForYou released only in Japan]]. It includes much of the ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' feel and characteristics, including spell names and the names of the dragons: Bahamut, Alexander, Leviathan, and Valefor, to name a few. The battle system is an early example of a Tactics-style game, and is well-loved for being practical yet NintendoHard.

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An early [[TurnBasedStrategy tactical RPG]] StrategyRPG made by Squaresoft (now [[SquareEnix Square-Enix]]) [[NoExportForYou released only in Japan]]. It includes much of the ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' feel and characteristics, including spell names and the names of the dragons: Bahamut, Alexander, Leviathan, and Valefor, to name a few. The battle system is an early example of a Tactics-style game, and is well-loved for being practical yet NintendoHard.
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An early [[TurnBasedStrategy tactical RPG]] made by Squaresoft (now [[SquareEnix Square-Enix]]) [[NoExportForYou released only in Japan]]. It includes much of the ''FinalFantasy'' feel and characteristics, including spell names and the names of the dragons: Bahamut, Alexander, Leviathan, and Valefor, to name a few. The battle system is an early example of a Tactics-style game, and is well-loved for being practical yet NintendoHard.

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An early [[TurnBasedStrategy tactical RPG]] made by Squaresoft (now [[SquareEnix Square-Enix]]) [[NoExportForYou released only in Japan]]. It includes much of the ''FinalFantasy'' ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' feel and characteristics, including spell names and the names of the dragons: Bahamut, Alexander, Leviathan, and Valefor, to name a few. The battle system is an early example of a Tactics-style game, and is well-loved for being practical yet NintendoHard.



* WordOfDante: A rumor persists that Bahamut Lagoon was originally developed as ''FinalFantasyTactics'', as described above, but no WordOfGod confirms this.

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* WordOfDante: A rumor persists that Bahamut Lagoon was originally developed as ''FinalFantasyTactics'', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'', as described above, but no WordOfGod confirms this.

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* BottleFairy: The Light Armor ladies tend to drink a lot.



* HardDrinkingPartyGirl: The Light Armor ladies tend to drink a lot.



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The game directly influenced ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX''. The plot structures and several key characters of the two games are very similar, and the summon Valefor from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' first appeared in ''BahamutLagoon''. This link between the two games was lampshaded with ''FFX-2'''s airship, named Celsius -- the airship in ''Bahamut Lagoon'' is called Fahrenheit.

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The game directly influenced ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX''. The plot structures and several key characters of the two games are very similar, and the summon Valefor from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' first appeared in ''BahamutLagoon''.similar. This link between the two games was lampshaded with ''FFX-2'''s airship, named Celsius -- the airship in ''Bahamut Lagoon'' is called Fahrenheit.
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* VillainousFriendship: Sauzer and Palpaleos.
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* StaffChick: Subverted - Yoyo's summoning has the greatest range, and is incredibly powerful.



* TheThreeFacesOfEve: With no less than ''three'' example groups: main characters Yoyo (the StaffChick), Melodia (the BrattyHalfPint / TokenMiniMoe) and Zora (the mother); light armor warriors Lukia (the feminine one), Jeanne (the {{Tomboy}}), and Mist (the fragile one); and healers Joy (the StaffChick), Diana (the {{Tomboy}}) and Frederica (the fragile, childish one).

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* TheThreeFacesOfEve: With no less than ''three'' example groups: main characters Yoyo (the StaffChick), Yoyo, Melodia (the BrattyHalfPint / TokenMiniMoe) and Zora (the mother); light armor warriors Lukia (the feminine one), Jeanne (the {{Tomboy}}), and Mist (the fragile one); and healers Joy (the StaffChick), WhiteMagicianGirl), Diana (the {{Tomboy}}) and Frederica (the fragile, childish one).
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The game was the direct predecessor of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX''. The plot structures and several key characters of the two games are very similar, and the summon Valefor from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' first appeared in ''BahamutLagoon''. This link between the two games was lampshaded with ''FFX-2'''s airship, named Celsius -- the airship in ''Bahamut Lagoon'' is called Fahrenheit.

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The game was the direct predecessor of directly influenced ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX''. The plot structures and several key characters of the two games are very similar, and the summon Valefor from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' first appeared in ''BahamutLagoon''. This link between the two games was lampshaded with ''FFX-2'''s airship, named Celsius -- the airship in ''Bahamut Lagoon'' is called Fahrenheit.
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The game was the direct predecessor of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX''. The plot structures and several key characters of the two games are very similar, and the summon Valefor from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX' first appeared in ''BahamutLagoon''. This link between the two games was lampshaded with ''FFX-2'''s airship, named Celsius -- the airship in ''Bahamut Lagoon'' is called Fahrenheit.

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The game was the direct predecessor of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX''. The plot structures and several key characters of the two games are very similar, and the summon Valefor from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX' ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' first appeared in ''BahamutLagoon''. This link between the two games was lampshaded with ''FFX-2'''s airship, named Celsius -- the airship in ''Bahamut Lagoon'' is called Fahrenheit.
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Notable for having a plot structure very similar to ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'', which was lampshaded with ''FFX-2'''s airship, named Celsius -- the airship in ''Bahamut Lagoon'' is called Fahrenheit. Also notable for having very pretty graphics, being one of the last Squaresoft games to be released for the Super Nintendo.

''Also'' notable for having quite explicit sexual content (though primarily in dialogue) and an openly gay old wizard as one of its main characters.

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Notable for having a plot structure very similar to ''FinalFantasyX'', which was lampshaded with FFX-2's airship, named Celsius -- the airship in ''BahamutLagoon'' is called Fahrenheit. Also notable for having very pretty graphics, being one of the last Squaresoft games to be released for the Super Nintendo.

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Notable for having a plot structure very similar to ''FinalFantasyX'', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'', which was lampshaded with FFX-2's ''FFX-2'''s airship, named Celsius -- the airship in ''BahamutLagoon'' ''Bahamut Lagoon'' is called Fahrenheit. Also notable for having very pretty graphics, being one of the last Squaresoft games to be released for the Super Nintendo.



* AbductionIsLove: Palpaleos kidnaps Princess Yoyo, [[spoiler: and then they fall in love.]]
* AllLoveIsUnrequited: [[spoiler: Poor Byuu.]]



* AssassinOutclassin: When you recruit Sajin and Zeroshin into your army, they also give you a free assassination as a bonus. You can choose the target to be either the RebelliousPrincess, a MightyGlacier or a RedShirt. No prizes for guessing which target is the only one they actually succeed in killing.



* BlackAndWhiteMagic
* BonusBoss: The game has special "side quests" - essentially single battles - available throughout the game. One of them, appropriately named Hard Dungeon, is only available in the last seven chapters and is far more difficult than the final boss.



* CampGay: Sendak.



* CognizantLimbs: The FinalBoss, [[spoiler: a five-headed dragon]]. Sadly, the engine doesn't handle it nearly as well as it could have.



* ElementNumberFive: Earth, Light and Dark aren't visible in your dragons' stats. Earth is the first extra element, a dragon who knows [[FireIceLightning Fire, Ice and Lightning]] magic can use Earth at the same level as its worst element. Then, a dragon with maxed out Earth, Healing, Poison, Strength and Defense will gain access to the Light and Dark elements. Very few monsters resist these elements, and finishing off enemies with them gives a chance to drop the best items in the game. Unfortunately, they also cost a lot of MP to cast.



* FireIceLightning



* GayOption: You can choose to have Byuu be interested in Sendak instead of Yoyo.



** GrimyWater: The poison swamp Geo Effect, which could be changed to a normal swamp via healing magic.



* HighlyVisibleNinja: Sajin and Zeroshin.



* ImprobableWeaponUser: While not having specific characters with improbable weapons, it does have various items that all characters can throw to cause damage or status effects. These items include Sweet Memory, Porno Mag, and Botched Cookie.



* KleptomaniacHeroFoundUnderwear: Byuu finds quite a number of "drawer things" - things from a drawer in the wink and nudge sense. You can also find "Princess' ???", usually in the suspicious location of Yoyo's bed. However, you can also find "Gunso's ???" by talking to him at pretty much any time...



* NonElemental: Uni magic. It's typeless, does double damage, but also has a 50% failure rate.



* OneWingedAngel: The final boss starts as a giant [[spoiler: dragon]], and after defeat transforms into a giant, five-headed [[spoiler: dragon]] that takes up the whole map.
* OurDragonsAreDifferent: Both the dragons and the Holy Dragons.



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* RandomEffectSpellRandomEffectSpell: The Mini-Devils' Dances are entirely unpredictable; the pool of effects can be changed based on the dragon associated with them, but there's rarely more than about a 60% chance of getting a positive result. Results can range from various element attacks with varying ranges, healing your party, healing the enemies, healing ''everyone'', putting targets to sleep or poisoning them, etc.



* TheSkyIsAnOcean



* TalentedPrincessRegularGuy: Byuu might be a pretty good knight, but he takes a back seat, both in power and story role, to Princess Yoyo.
* ThisIsTheFinalBattle: Subverted. Hornet tells you the final battle is about to begin in chapter 18, but it doesn't actually happen until chapter 23.



* OurDragonsAreDifferent: Both the dragons and the Holy Dragons.

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* OurDragonsAreDifferent: Both the dragons and the Holy Dragons.TokenLoli: Melodia.


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* UnitsNotToScale: Units, forests, castles, houses - they all take up one square. This even has the added bonus of combining this trope with PartyInMyPocket.

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