History ValuesDissonance / VideoGames

24th Jun '16 4:28:27 PM Pichu-kun
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** Many games feature OlderThanTheyLook love interests such as Luna from ''VideoGame/HarvestMoonTreeOfTranquility'' and Fritz from ''VideoGame/StoryOfSeasons''. These characters appeal to Japanese fans who find them "cute" however older western fans are often weirded out by dating someone who looks like a child.



** ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'' implied that humans and Pokémon were [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sinnoh_myths#Sinnoh_Folk_Tales once able to be married]], among other things.

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** ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'' implied that humans and Pokémon were [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sinnoh_myths#Sinnoh_Folk_Tales once able to be married]], among other things. The English version censored it.



* ''Franchise/FatalFrame'' may come across as a well-balanced game that can be enjoyed by Western and Japanese players, but are actually very Japanese. Aside from most ghosts being based off of Japanese mythology or belief on ghosts, most of the games involve [[HumanSacrifice Human Sacrifices]]. Fatal Frame I, III and V are the most noticeable in making it clear in their endings that a human sacrifice is the ''correct'' choice in the end; a Western game would usually focus on [[TakingAThirdOption finding a third option]] to appease whatever calamity has occured, rather than choose to sacrifice someone.

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* ''Franchise/FatalFrame'' may come across as a well-balanced game that can be enjoyed by Western and Japanese players, but are actually very Japanese. Aside from most ghosts being based off of Japanese mythology or belief on ghosts, most of the games involve [[HumanSacrifice Human Sacrifices]]. Fatal ''Fatal Frame I, III I'', ''III'', and V ''V'' are the most noticeable in making it clear in their endings that a human sacrifice is the ''correct'' choice in the end; a Western game would usually focus on [[TakingAThirdOption finding a third option]] to appease whatever calamity has occured, rather than choose to sacrifice someone.


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* A lot of early marketing for the early ''Franchise/MortalKombat'' games featured teenagers or even preteens despite the games being notoriously gory. Likewise, almost all adaptations (including the [[Film/MortalKombat movie]] and [[WesternAnimation/MortalKombatDefendersOfTheRealm cartoon]]) were toned down and aimed at a young audience. Modern advertising aims the games exclusively at adults. They would never get away with implying youth can buy the games like they did in the 1990s, especially with how the violence has become less cartoony and over-the-top than it originally was. In fact, ''Mortal Kombat'' is one of the reasons the [=ESRB=] system was even created in the first place.
13th Jun '16 9:53:52 PM WanderingBrowser
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** [[GagPenis Mara]]'s presence alone should be enough to force an M rating on any [=MegaTen=] game it's in. The few US-released games in the franchise that don't have a T rating are the same games that don't feature him. A prime example would be comparing ''VideoGame/Persona4ArenaUltimax'' to ''{{VideoGame/Persona Q}}''. ''Ultimax'' is a fighting game that features teenagers beating up each other with swords, knives ect. and doesn't have Mara. It's rated T. While ''Q'' has a RPG elements of defeating Shadows and even has a cute artstyle...and has Mara. It's rated M. M for Mara indeed.

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** Yukari Takeba's [[AmericansHateTingle sizeable Western hatedom]] stems predominantly from her having the unfortunate combination of this trope and a ScrappyMechanic. In a game that depends on you [[LevelUpAtIntimacy5 mastering Social Links]], and with the ability to [[YouLoseAtZeroTrust Reverse and Break Social Links]], Yukari's Social Link depends ''heavily'' on understanding a Japanese perception about personal strength, responsibility and maturity. These are so contrary to typical Western perceptions that she is the absolute easiest character in the game to accidentally mess up with.
** [[GagPenis Mara]]'s presence alone should be enough to force an M rating on any [=MegaTen=] game it's in.in, since the Persona in question appears as ''[[{{Squick}} a man-sized slimy penis with a mouth, spindly human arms]] and NaughtyTentacles'' riding a chariot. The few US-released games in the franchise that don't have a T rating are the same games that don't feature him. A prime example would be comparing ''VideoGame/Persona4ArenaUltimax'' to ''{{VideoGame/Persona Q}}''. ''Ultimax'' is a fighting game that features teenagers beating up each other with swords, knives ect. and doesn't have Mara. It's rated T. While ''Q'' has a RPG elements of defeating Shadows and even has a cute artstyle...and has Mara. It's rated M. M for Mara indeed.
4th Jun '16 9:20:33 PM Apocrypha
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** The fact that the game pushes a pair of cousins ([[spoiler:the Male Avatar and Azura]]) as {{Implied Love Interest}}s for each other. This is actually a double-whammy of ValuesDissonance: first-cousin marriage is legal in parts of America, but it tends to get side-eyed more than it does in the rest of the world, which considers such a thing perfectly fine. Marrying one's cousin was also not that uncommon in the medieval ages, the time period the game is set in.
2nd Jun '16 2:01:11 PM Pichu-kun
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2nd Jun '16 1:59:15 PM Pichu-kun
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* Natsume has run into this a few times in translating the ''HarvestMoon'' games.
** The Japanese ''Harvest Moon DS Cute'' (2005) had a RomanticTwoGirlFriendship[=/=]GayOption, where your girl could engage in a "Best Friends Ceremony" with some of the other female characters, at which point they'd become essentially the same as a wife. Although relatively mundane for Japan, this would've been considered shocking to certain parties in the US, particularly at the time of release, so the feature was quietly dropped from the US version of the game. Both dropping it and the way Natsume handled dropping it have upset fans, though, and it wasn't helped in retrospect by the fact that, not even a decade later, the feature probably would've survived thanks to America's rapidly changing attitudes toward gay marriage.

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* Natsume has run into this a few times in translating the ''HarvestMoon'' ''Franchise/HarvestMoon'' games.
** The Japanese ''Harvest Moon DS ''VideoGame/HarvestMoonDS Cute'' (2005) had a RomanticTwoGirlFriendship[=/=]GayOption, where your girl could engage in a "Best Friends Ceremony" with some of the other female characters, at which point they'd become essentially the same as a wife. Although relatively mundane for Japan, this would've been considered shocking to certain parties in the US, particularly at the time of release, so the feature was quietly dropped from the US version of the game. Both dropping it and the way Natsume handled dropping it have upset fans, though, and it wasn't helped in retrospect by the fact that, not even a decade later, the feature probably would've survived thanks to America's rapidly changing attitudes toward gay marriage.



** In ''VideoGame/HarvestMoonBackToNature For Girl'', your game also ended after you became married. Though this was changed in the enhanced port-remake, ''More Friends of Mineral Town''.

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** In ''VideoGame/HarvestMoonBackToNature For Girl'', your game also ended after you became married. married (except for with one bachelor). Though this was changed in the enhanced port-remake, ''More Friends of Mineral Town''.Town''.
** A few games feature a mini-game which is essentially a LighterAndSofter version of chicken fighting.



* ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'' implied that humans and Pokémon were [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sinnoh_myths#Sinnoh_Folk_Tales once able to be married]], among other things.

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* ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}':
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''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'' implied that humans and Pokémon were [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sinnoh_myths#Sinnoh_Folk_Tales once able to be married]], among other things.



* In the Japanese release of ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' (''Mother 2''), in the land of Magicant, which exists only in Ness's mind, [[OutOfClothesExperience the protagonist is naked]] (a Japanese symbol of purity), while in the US he appears in his pajamas as he did at the beginning of the game in all versions, as nudity--especially child nudity--is considered extremely sexual there.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Earthbound}}'':
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In the Japanese release of ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' (''Mother 2''), in the land of Magicant, which exists only in Ness's mind, [[OutOfClothesExperience the protagonist is naked]] (a Japanese symbol of purity), while in the US he appears in his pajamas as he did at the beginning of the game in all versions, as nudity--especially child nudity--is considered extremely sexual there.there.
** The game features one scene where a child is spanked by their parent. This was censored in English translations. While many parents still believe in corporal punishment, it's rarely portrayed positively or for laughs anymore due to worries of child abuse.



* The VideoGame/NancyDrew game ''Shadow at Water's Edge'' plays with this trope, as it is set in Japan. Part of Miwako's resentment towards Yumi, apart from sibling rivalry, is that she left the Ryokan to start her own career making bento instead of staying to run the hotel as expected of her. According to Miwako, this makes Yumi "selfish". This logic only makes sense if you understand that in Japan, independence is frowned on and that you're supposed to do what's expected of you. However, it is also revealed later on that [[spoiler:the girls' mother actually ''wanted'' them to lead their own lives and not take care of the Ryokan unless they wanted to do it, proving that the general attitude towards an issue does not necessarily hold up for everyone.]]

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* The VideoGame/NancyDrew ''VideoGame/NancyDrew'' game ''Shadow at Water's Edge'' plays with this trope, as it is set in Japan. Part of Miwako's resentment towards Yumi, apart from sibling rivalry, is that she left the Ryokan to start her own career making bento instead of staying to run the hotel as expected of her. According to Miwako, this makes Yumi "selfish". This logic only makes sense if you understand that in Japan, independence is frowned on and that you're supposed to do what's expected of you. However, it is also revealed later on that [[spoiler:the girls' mother actually ''wanted'' them to lead their own lives and not take care of the Ryokan unless they wanted to do it, proving that the general attitude towards an issue does not necessarily hold up for everyone.]]



* Deliberately invoked in [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance]]. Ike is quite shocked to find out that a [[LittleBitBeastly Laguz]] calling a [[HumansByAnyOtherName Beorc]] "human" has roughly the same implications as [[FantasticRacism a Beorc calling a Laguz "sub-human".]]

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* Deliberately invoked in [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance]].Radiance]]''. Ike is quite shocked to find out that a [[LittleBitBeastly Laguz]] calling a [[HumansByAnyOtherName Beorc]] "human" has roughly the same implications as [[FantasticRacism a Beorc calling a Laguz "sub-human".]]



* In Japanese media, crossdressers are sometimes viewed as {{transsexual}} by Western audiences, with Naoto Shirogane from ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' and [[spoiler: Chihiro Fujisaki]] from ''VisualNovel/DanganRonpa'' being the most prominent examples of this issue, as a handful of Western fans insist that they are transsexual despite canon saying otherwise. This is due to misunderstanding their problems in regards to Japanese culture; in Japan, it is extremely important for a person to fit a certain criteria of what it means to be female and what it means to be male. If they don't meet enough of that criteria or act in a way that is against it, they are shamed for it or not taken seriously. Naoto was insecure about her femininity because she wanted to pursue a career in a male-dominated field but knew they would dismiss her skills if they knew she was a girl. So she cross dressed in order to make sure that didn't happen. [[spoiler:Chihiro]] was constantly bullied [[spoiler:because he was too frail and shy to be considered a real boy by Japanese standards, and started cross dressing as a means of escape since his personality was seen more proper for a female, not because he identified as such]]. Both are examples of individuals who couldn't live up to the gender standards of Japan and had to find a way to conform to it instead.
** A similar problem arose with Kanji from the [[VideoGame/{{Persona 4}} same game]] as Naoto. To a lot of Western players, his shadow and problem is often seen as his being ArmouredClosetGay. According to WordOfGod, Kanji's sexuality ''is'' supposed to remain ambiguous to each player, though his actual problem is stated to having to do with his hobbies: drawing, crafting things with his own hands, which includes knitting things. It's the same issue as with Naoto, Kanji is aware that his hobbies are not those of 'a man' and he hence would not fit into the idea of what a man is. Even with Kanji admitting that he wants someone to accept him with his un-manly hobbies and that it's not so much an attraction to men as it is a strong aversion to women whom might make fun of those hobbies, a lot of Western players remain on the whole gay idea.

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* In Japanese media, crossdressers are sometimes viewed as {{transsexual}} by Western audiences, with Naoto Shirogane [[spoiler:Naoto Shirogane]] from ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' and [[spoiler: Chihiro Fujisaki]] from ''VisualNovel/DanganRonpa'' being the most prominent examples of this issue, as a handful of Western fans insist that they are transsexual despite canon saying otherwise. This is due to misunderstanding their problems in regards to Japanese culture; in Japan, it is extremely important for a person to fit a certain criteria of what it means to be female and what it means to be male. If they don't meet enough of that criteria or act in a way that is against it, they are shamed for it or not taken seriously. Naoto [[spoiler:Naoto]] was insecure about her femininity because she wanted to pursue a career in a male-dominated field but knew they would dismiss her skills if they knew she was a girl. So she cross dressed in order to make sure that didn't happen. [[spoiler:Chihiro]] was constantly bullied [[spoiler:because he was too frail and shy to be considered a real boy by Japanese standards, and started cross dressing as a means of escape since his personality was seen more proper for a female, not because he identified as such]]. Both are examples of individuals who couldn't live up to the gender standards of Japan and had to find a way to conform to it instead.
** A similar problem arose with Kanji from the [[VideoGame/{{Persona 4}} same game]] as Naoto.[[spoiler:Naoto]]. To a lot of Western players, his shadow and problem is often seen as his being ArmouredClosetGay. According to WordOfGod, Kanji's sexuality ''is'' supposed to remain ambiguous to each player, though his actual problem is stated to having to do with his hobbies: drawing, crafting things with his own hands, which includes knitting things. It's the same issue as with Naoto, [[spoiler:Naoto]], Kanji is aware that his hobbies are not those of 'a man' and he hence would not fit into the idea of what a man is. Even with Kanji admitting that he wants someone to accept him with his un-manly hobbies and that it's not so much an attraction to men as it is a strong aversion to women whom might make fun of those hobbies, a lot of Western players remain on the whole gay idea.


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* Several ''VideoGame/AnimalCrossing'' games feature a hat called the "Warbonnet", which is a Native American headdress. In America, wearing them if you're not Native American has become a hot topic in the 2010s due to it being seen as cultural appropriation by many. It seems Creator/{{Nintendo}} knows this as well, as the 2015 game ''VideoGame/{{Splatoon}}'' has a DummiedOut headdress hat which is presumed to be deleted due to controversies surrounding headdresses. The two series are from the same team so it's possible future ''Animal Crossing'' games will not include the Warbonnet accessory.
26th May '16 12:29:37 PM bassforte
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** A similar problem arose with Kanji from the [[VideoGame/{{Persona 4}} same game]] as Naoto. To a lot of Western players, his shadow and problem is often seen as his being ArmouredClosetGay. According to WordOfGod, Kanji's sexuality ''is'' supposed to remain ambiguous to each player, though his actual problem is stated to having to do with his hobbies: drawing, crafting things with his own hands, which includes knitting things. It's the same issue as with Naoto, Kanji is aware that his hobbies are not those of 'a man' and he hence would not fit into the idea of what a man is. Even with Kanji admitting that he wants someone to accept him with his un-manly hobbies, a lot of Western players remain on the whole gay idea.

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** A similar problem arose with Kanji from the [[VideoGame/{{Persona 4}} same game]] as Naoto. To a lot of Western players, his shadow and problem is often seen as his being ArmouredClosetGay. According to WordOfGod, Kanji's sexuality ''is'' supposed to remain ambiguous to each player, though his actual problem is stated to having to do with his hobbies: drawing, crafting things with his own hands, which includes knitting things. It's the same issue as with Naoto, Kanji is aware that his hobbies are not those of 'a man' and he hence would not fit into the idea of what a man is. Even with Kanji admitting that he wants someone to accept him with his un-manly hobbies and that it's not so much an attraction to men as it is a strong aversion to women whom might make fun of those hobbies, a lot of Western players remain on the whole gay idea.
26th May '16 11:16:33 AM bassforte
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*** One need only look at ''Other M''[='s=] reception among fans and critics in the West and in Japan for a good example of Values Dissonance. While CriticalDissonance is in full effect on both sides of the pond, Western fans utterly despise the game with very few exceptions (due to the mentioned Samus-Adam "relationship", and if not that then Samus's encounter with Ridley) while Japanese fans are more mixed, leaning negative. Its major criticisms are roughly the same in both regions, interestingly enough.

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*** One need only look at ''Other M''[='s=] reception among fans and critics in the West and in Japan for a good example of Values Dissonance. While CriticalDissonance is in full effect on both sides of the pond, Western fans utterly despise the game with very few exceptions (due to the mentioned Samus-Adam "relationship", and if not that then Samus's encounter with Ridley) while Japanese fans are more mixed, leaning negative. Its major criticisms are roughly the same in both regions, interestingly enough. A good portion of the agreement can be aimed at just how poorly it's implemented, where Samus doesn't even try to activate her personal heat shields without Adam's okay and would rather quite literally burn alive than just bring up the question.
8th May '16 10:15:06 AM catmuto
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* ''Franchise/FatalFrame'' may come across as a well-balanced game that can be enjoyed by Western and Japanese players, but are actually very Japanese. Aside from most ghosts being based off of Japanese mythology or belief on ghosts, most of the games involve [[HumanSacrifice Human Sacrifices]]. Fatal Frame I, III and V are the most noticeable in making it clear in their endings that a human sacrifice is the ''correct'' choice in the end; a Western game would usually focus on [[TakingAThirdOption finding a third option]] to appease whatever calamity has occured, rather than choose to sacrifice someone.
2nd May '16 2:37:26 PM Kid
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* Similarly, America's ESRB is ''much'' harsher on sexual content than most other countries, and many games that get M ratings for sexual content in America get lower ratings overseas. (such as Akiba's Trip, which is rated the equivalent of T in Australia) "Partial Nudity", which even extends to exposed breasts on monster enemies not intended as sexual, is grounds for an automatic M rating in the ESRB's system, while other countries allow it in lower ratings and only give high ratings for full-frountal, explicitly sexual nudity. And the gap between the ESRB's M and AO ratings is only sexual content in most cases, leading to ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'' getting pulled from shelves and re-rated due to the "Hot Coffee" mod. (There was little fanfare in Europe since the game was already rated 18+ for violence anyway) Skimpy outfits on characters is sometimes enough for an ESRB M rating, which often results in outfits being censored in US releases. (For example, Tharja's swimsuit scene in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'''s DLC was censored in the US version, but not in the European version)

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* Similarly, America's ESRB is ''much'' harsher on sexual content than most other countries, and many games that get M ratings for sexual content in America get lower ratings overseas. overseas (such as Akiba's Trip, which is rated the equivalent of T in Australia) Australia). "Partial Nudity", which even extends to exposed breasts on monster enemies not intended as sexual, is grounds for an automatic M rating in the ESRB's system, while other countries allow it in lower ratings and only give high ratings for full-frountal, explicitly sexual nudity. And the gap between the ESRB's M and AO ratings is only sexual content in most cases, leading to ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'' getting pulled from shelves and re-rated due to the "Hot Coffee" mod. (There mod (there was little fanfare in Europe since the game was already rated 18+ for violence anyway) anyway). Skimpy outfits on characters is sometimes enough for an ESRB M rating, which often results in outfits being censored in US releases. (For releases (for example, Tharja's swimsuit scene in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'''s DLC was censored in the US version, but not in the European version)version).
19th Apr '16 12:38:36 PM dragondraems
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** The Australia classification board has absolutely ''no'' tolerance for BlackComedyRape in any form, regardless of any [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnFemale Double]] [[DoubleStandardRapeMaleOnMale Standards]] anything featuring it gets slapped with an R18+ rating. One suce scene in ''SouthParkTheStickOfTruth'' even had to be censored and the game was ''still'' rated R.

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** The Australia classification board has absolutely ''no'' tolerance for BlackComedyRape in any form, regardless of any [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnFemale Double]] [[DoubleStandardRapeMaleOnMale Standards]] anything featuring it gets slapped with an R18+ rating. One suce such scene in ''SouthParkTheStickOfTruth'' even had to be censored and the game was ''still'' rated R.
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