History ValuesDissonance / VideoGames

27th Jan '16 1:38:21 PM CheeseDogX
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** This trope may also account for why Dahlia Hawthorne repeatedly makes mean-spirited jabs at Mia's age, calling her "[[MaamShock Madame Fey]]" and a "spinster". At the time of her death, Mia was twenty-seven and ''very'' attractive, leading these insults to seem pretty out-there to western players. In Japanese culture though, a woman tends to be considered past her prime when they're twenty-five (though this is becoming a less-common view).
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** This trope may also account for why Dahlia Hawthorne repeatedly makes mean-spirited jabs at Mia's age, calling her "[[MaamShock Madame Fey]]" and a "spinster". At the time of her death, Mia was twenty-seven and ''very'' attractive, leading these insults to seem pretty out-there to western players. In Japanese culture though, a woman tends to be considered [[ChristmasCake past her prime when they're twenty-five twenty-five]] (though this is becoming a less-common view).
19th Jan '16 11:51:40 AM Willbyr
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* The manual for Interplay's PC adaptation of ''[[TheLordOfTheRings The Fellowship of the Ring]]'' had a section explaining that the portrayal of some elements of the setting reflected the source material and might conflict with modern sensibilities.
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* The manual for Interplay's PC adaptation of ''[[TheLordOfTheRings ''[[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings The Fellowship of the Ring]]'' had a section explaining that the portrayal of some elements of the setting reflected the source material and might conflict with modern sensibilities.

** Australia's game classification system in general can be a case of this trope for other countries, as several games are rated higher or lower there than averywhere else. It seems that sex and violence are really the only things that can push a game into the two highest categories (MA15+ and R18+), while countries like America can have games rated M due simply to mature themes (the MegaTen series being a prime example). Australia also views cartoon violence as less "harsh" than realistic violence, hence why games like ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'', ''Franchise/RatchetAndClank'', and ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' get lower ratings there than America. Meanwhile ''AtelierTotoriTheAdventurerOfArland'', rated T by the ESRB and 12 by PEGI, was classified R18+ in Australia simply for [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil "references to sexual violence"]], ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' is slapped with an M (13+) for crude humor and "sexual references", and ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword'' got a 15+ rating over there, but an E10+ rating in America and 12+ in Europe.
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** Australia's game classification system in general can be a case of this trope for other countries, as several games are rated higher or lower there than averywhere else. It seems that sex and violence are really the only things that can push a game into the two highest categories (MA15+ and R18+), while countries like America can have games rated M due simply to mature themes (the MegaTen [=MegaTen=] series being a prime example). Australia also views cartoon violence as less "harsh" than realistic violence, hence why games like ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'', ''Franchise/RatchetAndClank'', and ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' get lower ratings there than America. Meanwhile ''AtelierTotoriTheAdventurerOfArland'', rated T by the ESRB and 12 by PEGI, was classified R18+ in Australia simply for [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil "references to sexual violence"]], ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' is slapped with an M (13+) for crude humor and "sexual references", and ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword'' got a 15+ rating over there, but an E10+ rating in America and 12+ in Europe.
15th Jan '16 9:15:58 AM Aquar1us
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* Shirou Emiya of ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' earned [[TheScrappy a large amount of fan hatred]] for his seeming StayInTheKitchen attitude towards Saber's fighting in the Grail War. Some argue he's actually a ''subversion'', just mortally afraid of Saber dying - although heroic spirits don't actually 'die' (and painfully aware that he's not qualified to fight alone) and initially doesn't understand why, settling on this as a random excuse (although he says Kiritsugu taught him 'girls should be protected'). Notably, he doesn't act this way towards ''any'' other woman, even Saber herself in the non-Fate routes (although none of the women near him engage in hand-to-hand fighting!), and the very idea is even mocked on occasion. ** This doesn't dismiss his bizarre approval of Ayako's attempted molestation for 'teaching her femininity' (though even the other characters in-story were angry with Shirou over that remark). However, this along with StayInTheKitchen, fades from the later arcs, and in another arc where it is implied that Ayako is actually raped, he is horrified.
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* Shirou Emiya of ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' earned [[TheScrappy a large amount of fan hatred]] for his seeming StayInTheKitchen attitude towards Saber's fighting in the Grail War. Some argue he's actually a ''subversion'', just mortally afraid of Saber dying - although heroic spirits don't actually 'die' (and painfully aware that he's not qualified to fight alone) and initially doesn't understand why, settling on this as a random excuse (although he says Kiritsugu taught him 'girls should be protected'). Notably, he doesn't act this way towards ''any'' other woman, even Saber herself in the non-Fate routes (although none of the women near him engage in hand-to-hand fighting!), routes, and the very idea is even mocked on occasion. ** This doesn't dismiss his bizarre approval of Ayako's attempted molestation for 'teaching her femininity' (though even the other characters in-story were angry with Shirou over that remark). However, this along with StayInTheKitchen, fades from the later arcs, and in another arc where it is implied that Ayako is actually attacked by [[spoiler:Rider]] but Shinji spreads rumors implying she was raped, he is horrified.
22nd Dec '15 10:28:47 AM Aquar1us
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saying 'it is also hilariously hypocritical on the behalf of animal rights activists because almost none of them will find it horrifying that hundreds of species of bugs go extinct every day' is a baseless assumption/accusation
Originally it was actually intended to represent a game that captured the childhood passion that the original Game Freak creator ''Satoshi Tajiri'' had for collecting bugs and letting them fight against each other. So while it is based on actual bloodsport it is also hilariously hypocritical on the behalf of animal rights activists because almost none of them will find it horrifying that hundreds of species of bugs go extinct every day. However, as the company switched from CEO to CEO it has become established that the Pokemon in-universe are willing to fight and compete with each other. This isn't unlike several real-life animals (if anything, Pokémon battles are ''less'' dangerous than that).
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Originally it was actually intended to represent a game that captured the childhood passion that the original Game Freak creator ''Satoshi Tajiri'' had for collecting bugs and letting them fight against each other. So while it is based on actual bloodsport it is also hilariously hypocritical on the behalf of animal rights activists because almost none of them will find it horrifying that hundreds of species of bugs go extinct every day. However, as the company switched from CEO to CEO it has become established that the Pokemon in-universe are sentient, and willing to fight and compete with each other. This isn't unlike several real-life animals (if anything, Pokémon battles are ''less'' dangerous than that).
22nd Dec '15 10:19:53 AM Aquar1us
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* Shirou Emiya of ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' earned [[TheScrappy a large amount of fan hatred]] for his seeming StayInTheKitchen attitude towards Saber's fighting in the Grail War. In fact, he's actually a ''subversion''; he's just mortally afraid of Saber dying (and painfully aware that he's not qualified to fight alone) and initially doesn't understand why, settling on a traditionalist view as a random excuse. Notably, he doesn't act this way towards ''any'' other woman (even Saber herself in the non-Fate routes), and the very idea is even mocked on occasion. ** This doesn't dismiss his bizarre approval of Ayako's attempted rape for 'teaching her femininity' (though even the other characters in-story were angry with Shirou over that remark). However, this along with StayInTheKitchen, fades from the later arcs, and in another arc where it is implied that Ayako is actually raped, he is horrified.
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* Shirou Emiya of ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' earned [[TheScrappy a large amount of fan hatred]] for his seeming StayInTheKitchen attitude towards Saber's fighting in the Grail War. In fact, Some argue he's actually a ''subversion''; he's ''subversion'', just mortally afraid of Saber dying - although heroic spirits don't actually 'die' (and painfully aware that he's not qualified to fight alone) and initially doesn't understand why, settling on a traditionalist view this as a random excuse. excuse (although he says Kiritsugu taught him 'girls should be protected'). Notably, he doesn't act this way towards ''any'' other woman (even woman, even Saber herself in the non-Fate routes), routes (although none of the women near him engage in hand-to-hand fighting!), and the very idea is even mocked on occasion. ** This doesn't dismiss his bizarre approval of Ayako's attempted rape molestation for 'teaching her femininity' (though even the other characters in-story were angry with Shirou over that remark). However, this along with StayInTheKitchen, fades from the later arcs, and in another arc where it is implied that Ayako is actually raped, he is horrified.
17th Nov '15 9:46:30 PM BigKlingy
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* Similarly, America's ESRB is ''much'' harsher on sexual content than most other countries, and many games that get M ratings for sexual content in America get lower ratings overseas. (such as Akiba's Trip, which is rated the equivalent of T in Australia) "Partial Nudity", which even extends to exposed breasts on monster enemies not intended as sexual, is grounds for an automatic M rating in the ESRB's system, while other countries allow it in lower ratings and only give high ratings for full-frountal, explicitly sexual nudity. And the gap between the ESRB's M and AO ratings is only sexual content in most cases, leading to ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'' getting pulled from shelves and re-rated due to the "Hot Coffee" mod. (There was little fanfare in Europe since the game was already rated 18+ for violence anyway) Skimpy outfits on characters is sometimes enough for an ESRB M rating, which often results in outfits being censored in US releases. (For example, Tharja's swimsuit scene in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'''s DLC was censored in the US version, but not in the European version)
16th Nov '15 2:49:13 PM Morgenthaler
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** The opposite can happen too: In 1984, Germany banned RiverRaid for its violent content; in 2002, the ban was lifted, and it was rated free for all ages. In America, the ''VideoGame/StreetsOfRage'' series usually got MA-13 ratings (Sega's equivalent to the T rating) because they were considered very violent for their time, but with modern-day re-releases, they are now rated E10+ because they're not as violent as games you'd see today.
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** * The opposite can happen too: In 1984, Germany banned RiverRaid ''VideoGame/RiverRaid'' for its violent content; in 2002, the ban was lifted, and it was rated free for all ages. In America, the ''VideoGame/StreetsOfRage'' series usually got MA-13 ratings (Sega's equivalent to the T rating) because they were considered very violent for their time, but with modern-day re-releases, they are now rated E10+ because they're not as violent as games you'd see today.
12th Nov '15 6:06:42 AM Midna
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* An interesting example happened in ''VideoGame/FinalFight'', in which [[{{Bowdlerise}} changes to the game]] were brought about by temporal ValuesDissonance. Poison was originally female, but because of the [[WouldntHitAGirl cultural stigma surrounding beating up girls]], [[ShesAManInJapan she was palette swapped and made into a male character]], despite Capcom of Japan's insistence that she was a transwoman. These days it would be perfectly okay to have her as female or trans from either-to-respective-other. ** While a plausible theory, it's not true. She was a transwoman from the start.
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* An interesting example happened in ''VideoGame/FinalFight'', in which [[{{Bowdlerise}} changes to the game]] were brought about by temporal ValuesDissonance. Poison was originally female, a male-to-female transwoman, but because of the [[WouldntHitAGirl cultural stigma surrounding beating up girls]], girls]] and the general taboo regarding transgender characters of the time, [[ShesAManInJapan she was palette swapped and made into a male character]], despite Capcom of Japan's insistence that she was a transwoman. These days it would be perfectly okay to have her as female or trans from either-to-respective-other. ** While a plausible theory, it's not true. She was a transwoman from the start.either-to-respective-other.
20th Oct '15 6:04:42 AM cricri3007
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20th Oct '15 5:52:11 AM cricri3007
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** While a plausible theory, it's not true.
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** While a plausible theory, it's not true. She was a transwoman from the start.
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