History ValuesDissonance / VideoGames

18th May '17 9:43:17 AM Pichu-kun
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* Natsume has run into this a few times in translating the ''Franchise/HarvestMoon'' games:

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* Natsume has run into this a few times in translating the ''Franchise/HarvestMoon'' ''VideoGame/HarvestMoon'' games:



* In ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZelda'', the third dungeon is in the shape of a Manji, which is sometimes called a reverse swastika. While the Manji itself has a more religious meaning, most western players saw it as the swastika used by the Nazis. On the subject of religion, the game and its sequel have the holy cross symbol on Link's shield and on the gravestones found in the graveyard. The Magic Book item not only had a cross on it as well, but it was called a Bible in the Japanese version. Originally, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen the games were going to feature Christianity as the main religion everyone followed]], but the idea was changed to having just nameless gods. While Japanese games usually have no problem using religious references and characters, they are widely seen as taboo for Nintendo games due to the main audience being young children. The cross idea was dropped by ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkToThePast'', but the Japanese version still referenced gods and the title was called ''Triforce of the Gods'' instead of ''A Link to the Past''. By ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime'', characters and text talking about goddesses and gods were done more freely in the English version since there were no real life religions or symbols being used.

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* In ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZelda'', ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaI'', the third dungeon is in the shape of a Manji, which is sometimes called a reverse swastika. While the Manji itself has a more religious meaning, most western players saw it as the swastika used by the Nazis. On the subject of religion, the game and its sequel have the holy cross symbol on Link's shield and on the gravestones found in the graveyard. The Magic Book item not only had a cross on it as well, but it was called a Bible in the Japanese version. Originally, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen the games were going to feature Christianity as the main religion everyone followed]], but the idea was changed to having just nameless gods. While Japanese games usually have no problem using religious references and characters, they are widely seen as taboo for Nintendo games due to the main audience being young children. The cross idea was dropped by ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkToThePast'', but the Japanese version still referenced gods and the title was called ''Triforce of the Gods'' instead of ''A Link to the Past''. By ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime'', characters and text talking about goddesses and gods were done more freely in the English version since there were no real life religions or symbols being used.
18th May '17 9:40:01 AM Pichu-kun
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* Natsume has run into this a few times in translating the ''VideoGame/HarvestMoon'' games.

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* Natsume has run into this a few times in translating the ''VideoGame/HarvestMoon'' games.''Franchise/HarvestMoon'' games:



** In ''VideoGame/HarvestMoonBackToNature For Girl'', your game also ended after you became married (except for with one bachelor). Though this was changed in the enhanced port-remake, ''More Friends of Mineral Town''.

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** In ''VideoGame/HarvestMoonBackToNature For Girl'', your game also ended after you became married (except for with one bachelor). Though this was changed in the enhanced port-remake, remake, ''More Friends of Mineral Town''.



** Many games feature OlderThanTheyLook love interests such as Luna from ''VideoGame/HarvestMoonTreeOfTranquility'' and Fritz from ''VideoGame/StoryOfSeasons''. These characters appeal to Japanese fans who find them "cute" however older western fans are often weirded out by dating someone who looks like a child.

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** Many games feature OlderThanTheyLook love interests interests, such as Luna from ''VideoGame/HarvestMoonTreeOfTranquility'' and Fritz from ''VideoGame/StoryOfSeasons''. These characters appeal to Japanese fans who find them "cute" however older western fans are often weirded out by dating someone who looks like a child.



** The Pokémon games also give a meta example: The idea of splitting the content between two games and requiring players to trade for version-exclusive content is often viewed very differently by different audiences. The Japanese players see it as a SocializationBonus. A lot of western players see it as [[OneGameForThePriceOfTwo a money-grab]] that forces them to buy the same game twice for 100% completion.

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** The Pokémon ''Pokémon'' games also give a meta example: The idea of splitting the content between two games and requiring players to trade for version-exclusive content is often viewed very differently by different audiences. The Japanese players see it as a SocializationBonus. A lot of western players see it as [[OneGameForThePriceOfTwo a money-grab]] that forces them to buy the same game twice for 100% completion.


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* The Update 1.10 of ''VideoGame/MarioKart8Deluxe'' removed an Inkling Girl gesture due to this. The BicepPolishingGesture was edited into a fist bump by removing the part where she grabs her arm. In Japan it's just an excited gesture but in many regions it's an offensive gesture.
1st May '17 10:41:03 PM mogryo
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** Then again, with ''Wooden Sensey'' being released and no-one daring to suggest more than that it "verges on" racism, maybe we're not so far past that after all.
30th Apr '17 1:44:36 PM nombretomado
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* Natsume has run into this a few times in translating the ''Franchise/HarvestMoon'' games.

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* Natsume has run into this a few times in translating the ''Franchise/HarvestMoon'' ''VideoGame/HarvestMoon'' games.
25th Apr '17 7:19:00 PM ninjamitsuki2
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* ''VideoGame/NightTrap'' was very controversial when it came out and was partly responsible for the creation of the ESRB. Nowadays, it looks downright tame, and very [[{{Narm}} Narmy]]. The re-release made of it made 25 years later only got a T rating.
20th Apr '17 9:04:00 AM FF32
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** [[GagPenis Mara]]'s presence alone should be enough to force an M rating on any [=MegaTen=] game it's in, since the Persona in question appears as ''[[{{Squick}} a man-sized slimy penis with a mouth, spindly human arms]] and NaughtyTentacles'' riding a chariot. The few US-released games in the franchise that don't have a T rating are the same games that don't feature him. A prime example would be comparing ''VideoGame/Persona4ArenaUltimax'' to ''{{VideoGame/Persona Q}}''. ''Ultimax'' is a fighting game that features teenagers beating up each other with swords, knives, etc. and doesn't have Mara. It's rated T. On the other hand, ''Q'' has RPG elements of defeating Shadows and even has a cute artstyle...and has Mara. It's rated M. M for Mara indeed.

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** [[GagPenis Mara]]'s presence alone should be enough to force an M rating on any [=MegaTen=] game it's in, since the Persona in question appears as ''[[{{Squick}} a man-sized slimy penis with a mouth, spindly human arms]] and NaughtyTentacles'' riding a chariot. The few US-released games in the franchise that don't have a T rating are the same games that don't feature him. A prime example would be comparing ''VideoGame/Persona4ArenaUltimax'' to ''{{VideoGame/Persona Q}}''.''[[VideoGame/PersonaQShadowOfTheLabyrinth Persona Q]]''. ''Ultimax'' is a fighting game that features teenagers beating up each other with swords, knives, etc. and doesn't have Mara. It's rated T. On the other hand, ''Q'' has RPG elements of defeating Shadows and even has a cute artstyle...and has Mara. It's rated M. M for Mara indeed.
30th Mar '17 2:49:16 PM comicwriter
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*** Unfortunately, that led to an even bigger problem for Yosuke, a lot of things he said throughout the game to tease Kanji about his issues ended up making him sound homophobic to Western audiences. The LGBT rights movement in Japan has not yet made the same strides its Western counterparts have, which consequently means it's way more common for Japanese media to have comic relief characters whose sole joke joke is that they're gay, or outdated views on homosexuality in general.

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*** Unfortunately, that led to an even bigger problem for Yosuke, a lot of things he said throughout the game to tease Kanji about his issues ended up making him sound homophobic to Western audiences. The LGBT rights movement in Japan has not yet made the same strides its Western counterparts have, which consequently means it's way more common for Japanese media to have comic relief characters whose sole joke joke is that they're gay, or outdated views on homosexuality in general.



** Additionally, the fact that ''Fates'' features a bisexual protagonist with two same-sex options was seen as quaint (and in some cases, not good enough) by Western gamers, since same-sex romance options are a fairly common feature of franchises like ''Franchise/MassEffect'' and ''Franchise/DragonAge''. However, this was indeed ''quite'' progressive... in Japan, which is actually ''not'' as LGBT friendly as [[YaoiFangirl some people]] like to believe. Meanwhile, Forrest is mocked in the west for his [[DudeLooksLikeALady appearance]], despite that ''that'' isn't seen as too controversial in Japan.

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** Additionally, the fact that ''Fates'' features a bisexual protagonist with two same-sex options was seen as quaint (and in some cases, not good enough) by Western gamers, since same-sex romance options are a fairly common feature of franchises like ''Franchise/MassEffect'' and ''Franchise/DragonAge''. However, this was indeed ''quite'' progressive... in Japan, which is actually ''not'' as LGBT friendly as [[YaoiFangirl some people]] like to believe. Meanwhile, Forrest is mocked in the west for his [[DudeLooksLikeALady appearance]], despite that ''that'' isn't seen as too controversial in Japan.
21st Mar '17 8:48:13 PM comicwriter
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** Additionally, the fact that ''Fates'' features a bisexual protagonist with two same-sex options was seen as quaint (and in some cases, not good enough) by Western gamers, since same-sex romance options are a fairly common feature of franchises like ''VideoGame/MasseEffect'' and ''VideoGame/DragonAge''. However, this was indeed ''quite'' progressive... in Japan, which is actually ''not'' as LGBT friendly as [[YaoiFangirl some people]] like to believe. Meanwhile, Forrest is mocked in the west for his [[DudeLooksLikeALady appearance]], despite that ''that'' isn't seen as too controversial in Japan.

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** Additionally, the fact that ''Fates'' features a bisexual protagonist with two same-sex options was seen as quaint (and in some cases, not good enough) by Western gamers, since same-sex romance options are a fairly common feature of franchises like ''VideoGame/MasseEffect'' ''Franchise/MassEffect'' and ''VideoGame/DragonAge''.''Franchise/DragonAge''. However, this was indeed ''quite'' progressive... in Japan, which is actually ''not'' as LGBT friendly as [[YaoiFangirl some people]] like to believe. Meanwhile, Forrest is mocked in the west for his [[DudeLooksLikeALady appearance]], despite that ''that'' isn't seen as too controversial in Japan.
21st Mar '17 8:47:09 PM comicwriter
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** Additionally, the fact that ''Fates'' features a bisexual protagonist with two gay options is ''quite'' progressive... in Japan, which is actually ''not'' as LGBT friendly as [[YaoiFangirl some people]] like to believe. Meanwhile, Forrest is mocked in the west for his [[DudeLooksLikeALady appearance]], despite that ''that'' isn't seen as too controversial in Japan.

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** Additionally, the fact that ''Fates'' features a bisexual protagonist with two gay same-sex options is was seen as quaint (and in some cases, not good enough) by Western gamers, since same-sex romance options are a fairly common feature of franchises like ''VideoGame/MasseEffect'' and ''VideoGame/DragonAge''. However, this was indeed ''quite'' progressive... in Japan, which is actually ''not'' as LGBT friendly as [[YaoiFangirl some people]] like to believe. Meanwhile, Forrest is mocked in the west for his [[DudeLooksLikeALady appearance]], despite that ''that'' isn't seen as too controversial in Japan.
21st Mar '17 8:36:32 PM comicwriter
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** Related to this, {{Bifauxnen}}s in anime and Japanese video games [[note]]such as King from ''VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters'', Leo from ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'', and the above-mentioned [[spoiler: Naoto]][[/note]] will often prompt speculation from Western fans that the character in question is either a trans man or a lesbian, particularly the latter, since in much of Western media, having a female character wear men's clothing used to be a common way of [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar implying she wasn't heterosexual]]. In reality, the ubiquity of the "Girl who cuts her hair short and dresses in male clothing" archetype in Japanese media can likely be traced back to the influence of the {{Takarazuka}} Revue, with popular characters like [[Manga/PrincessKnight Princess Sapphire]] and [[Franchise/SailorMoon Haruka Tenoh]] being two prominent examples.

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** Related to this, {{Bifauxnen}}s in anime and Japanese video games [[note]]such as King from ''VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters'', Leo from ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'', and the above-mentioned [[spoiler: Naoto]][[/note]] will often prompt speculation from Western fans that the character in question is either a trans man or a lesbian, particularly the latter, since in much of Western media, having a female character wear men's clothing used to be a common way of [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar implying she wasn't heterosexual]]. In reality, the ubiquity of the "Girl who cuts her hair short and dresses in male clothing" Bifauxnen archetype in Japanese media can likely be traced back to the influence of the {{Takarazuka}} Revue, with popular characters like [[Manga/PrincessKnight Princess Sapphire]] and [[Franchise/SailorMoon Haruka Tenoh]] being two prominent examples.
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