History ValuesDissonance / Music

25th Jun '16 6:26:24 PM Spyspotter
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* Not even Music/{{KISS}} is immune to this. Listen to "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-PuYU7OKdc Deuce]]." Just a wee bit sexist, isn't it? Plus, "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiSB7G732Eg Domino]]" and "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMlVZ6RDets Christine Sixteen]]" might be seen badly in today's PaedoHunt world (especially "Domino," which never gives the girl's age but it can easily be taken as less teenager and more {{Lolicon}}). In fact, a lot of Kiss songs fall into this. "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S4-f3w-ALQ Detroit Rock City]]" is about smoking, drinking and driving. All at once. Seeing as some Kiss albums contain nothing but songs about sex (Gene Simmons has claimed to had sex with over a thousand women; and for crying out loud, this is the band that has a song called "Let's Put The X In Sex"), the chance for sexism pops up quite often.
** Detroit Rock City was written as a tribute to a fan who died in a car crash going to one of their concerts, and it's arguably a deconstruction of DrunkDriver - as in, drink and drive and ''die.''

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* Not even Music/{{KISS}} is immune to this. Listen to "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-PuYU7OKdc Deuce]]." Just a wee bit sexist, isn't it? Plus, "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiSB7G732Eg Domino]]" and "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMlVZ6RDets Christine Sixteen]]" might be seen badly in today's PaedoHunt world (especially "Domino," which never gives the girl's age but it can easily be taken as less teenager and more {{Lolicon}}). In fact, a lot of Kiss songs fall into this. "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S4-f3w-ALQ Detroit Rock City]]" is about smoking, drinking and driving. All at once. Seeing as some Kiss albums contain nothing but songs about sex (Gene Simmons has claimed to had sex with over a thousand women; and for crying out loud, this is the band that has a song called "Let's Put The X In Sex"), the chance for sexism pops up quite often.
** Detroit Rock City was written as a tribute to a fan who died in a car crash going to one of their concerts, and it's arguably a deconstruction of DrunkDriver - as in, drink and drive and ''die.''
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23rd Jun '16 11:57:33 AM cricri3007
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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6F2HU4JAIU A French singer did a song like that]] in 2011. "J'aime les moche" (I love the ugly ones). It's played for laughs and is a quite liked song.
24th May '16 3:35:09 AM 3rdStringPG
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** Also the late-'80s Filipino rap song based on it, "Humanap Ka ng Pangit" (translation -- "Look for Someone Ugly") by Andrew E.
1st Mar '16 10:41:39 AM Willbyr
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* Not even Music/{{KISS}} is immune to this. Listen to [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-PuYU7OKdc Deuce]]. Just a wee bit sexist, isn't it? Plus, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiSB7G732Eg Domino]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMlVZ6RDets Christine Sixteen]] might be seen badly in today's PaedoHunt world (especially Domino, which never gives the girl's age but it can easily be taken as less teenager and more {{Lolicon}}). In fact, a lot of Kiss songs fall into this. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S4-f3w-ALQ Detroit Rock City]] is about smoking, drinking and driving. All at once. Seeing as some Kiss albums contain nothing but songs about sex (Gene Simmons has claimed to had sex with over a thousand women; and for crying out loud, this is the band that has a song called "Let's Put The X In Sex"), the chance for sexism pops up quite often.

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* Not even Music/{{KISS}} is immune to this. Listen to [[http://www."[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-PuYU7OKdc Deuce]]. " Just a wee bit sexist, isn't it? Plus, [[http://www."[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiSB7G732Eg Domino]] Domino]]" and [[http://www."[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMlVZ6RDets Christine Sixteen]] Sixteen]]" might be seen badly in today's PaedoHunt world (especially Domino, "Domino," which never gives the girl's age but it can easily be taken as less teenager and more {{Lolicon}}). In fact, a lot of Kiss songs fall into this. [[http://www."[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S4-f3w-ALQ Detroit Rock City]] City]]" is about smoking, drinking and driving. All at once. Seeing as some Kiss albums contain nothing but songs about sex (Gene Simmons has claimed to had sex with over a thousand women; and for crying out loud, this is the band that has a song called "Let's Put The X In Sex"), the chance for sexism pops up quite often.



* The music video for the Music/TheyMightBeGiants song, "The Statue Got Me High" featured a couple brief scenes depicting fire, one of which had band member John Linnell covered in flames. The scene aired on US music video stations without complaints, but an edited version was made for air in the UK, showing the same scenes but without the fire. According to John Flansburgh, this was done because fire and ninjas are not allowed on British television.

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* The music video for the Music/TheyMightBeGiants song, song "The Statue Got Me High" featured a couple brief scenes depicting fire, one of which had band member John Linnell covered in flames. The scene aired on US music video stations without complaints, but an edited version was made for air in the UK, showing the same scenes but without the fire. According to John Flansburgh, this was done because fire and ninjas are not allowed on British television.



* Many [[TheSixties sixties]] songs [[WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs were written and/or sung while high]]. But back then, drugs were used for "expanding your mind" rather than trying to be cool. (I'm lookin' at you, [[Music/TheGratefulDead Jerry Garcia]]!) These days, though, singers who do drugs get a lot of flak from fans and bandmates, or at least more than sixties singers would.

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* Many [[TheSixties sixties]] Sixties]] songs [[WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs were written and/or sung while high]]. But back then, drugs were used for "expanding your mind" rather than trying to be cool. (I'm lookin' at you, [[Music/TheGratefulDead Jerry Garcia]]!) These days, though, singers who do drugs get a lot of flak from fans and bandmates, or at least more than sixties singers would.



** It really depends on the singer. MarilynManson (and for that matter, his band) have been joked to have been single-handedly funding the cocaine industry throughout the 90s.

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** It really depends on the singer. MarilynManson Music/MarilynManson (and for that matter, his band) have been joked to have been single-handedly funding the cocaine industry throughout the 90s.



* Neil Diamond's ''Cracklin' Rosie'' is not about a woman named Rosie; it's about a group of First Nations men in Ontario getting drunk on red wine (the "Rosie") because all the women are gone. This may seem benign, perhaps, to an American, but it's unimaginably ''horrifically'' racist in Western Canada, not just because of the awful "drunken Indian" stereotype but also because of the actual plight of the women, who were being sexually exploited and murdered. The equivalent would be a fluffy pop song about lynching.
* Not even ''SchoolhouseRock'' is immune. It's a lot more mild than most of the examples on these pages, to be sure, but their song "The Great American Melting Pot" doesn't exactly fit with today's era of multiculturalism. Another one of their songs from the America Rock compilation, "Elbow Room", is either this or PoliticallyCorrectHistory.

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* Neil Diamond's ''Cracklin' Rosie'' "Cracklin' Rosie" is not about a woman named Rosie; it's about a group of First Nations men in Ontario getting drunk on red wine (the "Rosie") because all the women are gone. This may seem benign, perhaps, to an American, but it's unimaginably ''horrifically'' racist in Western Canada, not just because of the awful "drunken Indian" stereotype but also because of the actual plight of the women, who were being sexually exploited and murdered. The equivalent would be a fluffy pop song about lynching.
* Not even ''SchoolhouseRock'' ''WesternAnimation/SchoolhouseRock'' is immune. It's a lot more mild than most of the examples on these pages, to be sure, but their song "The Great American Melting Pot" doesn't exactly fit with today's era of multiculturalism. Another one of their songs from the America Rock compilation, "Elbow Room", is either this or PoliticallyCorrectHistory.



* Even cerebral ProgressiveRock band KingCrimson couldn't avoid this. The 1971 album ''Islands'' includes a tribute to "Ladies of the Road" (read: groupies). Granted, this was 1971. Still, there's a cringe-worthy verse about [[LoliCon seducing a school reporter]], not to mention this passage: [[AsianSpeekeeEngrish "High diving Chinese trender/Black hair and black suspender/Said, 'Please me no surrender'/'Just love to feel your Fender'"]]

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* Even cerebral ProgressiveRock band KingCrimson Music/KingCrimson couldn't avoid this. The 1971 album ''Islands'' includes a tribute to "Ladies of the Road" (read: groupies). Granted, this was 1971. Still, there's a cringe-worthy verse about [[LoliCon seducing a school reporter]], not to mention this passage: [[AsianSpeekeeEngrish "High diving Chinese trender/Black hair and black suspender/Said, 'Please me no surrender'/'Just love to feel your Fender'"]]



-->Well I argued with the judge
-->But the [[SexIsEvil bastard wouldn't budge]]
-->Cause [[InterruptedIntimacy they caught me licking fudge]]
-->And they never told me that you were a [[JailBait minor]]
* Music/TenCc's hit single ''Dreadlock Holiday'' passed without comment in the 1970's. It was based on a real life incident in which Graham Gouldman was mugged for his (minimal) bling in the West Indies - the mugger made it look like an agreed, if not unforced, sale by deliberately paying Gouldman a dollar for jewellery worth many times that. The song has since been criticised for its implication that all dreadlocked Jamaicans are violent robbers and all Jamaican women are hookers. The "dark voices" in the song have also been described as stereotypical, and the fact it was done to a (quite good) reggae beat has also been criticised as reinforcing the "all blacks are criminals" message perceived by some in the song. The Jamaican Tourist Board wasn't exactly inclined to use it in adverts, either.[[note]]''Come to sunny Jamaica and be mugged!''[[/note]] It was alleged that two white British Jews (Goldman and Creme) were mis-using West Indian culture (reggae) to reinforce prejudice.
** However, many reggae stars had actually spoken of the violence in Jamaica (a notable example being Johnny Too Bad by The Slickers), which was (and continues to be) very real. A lot of dreads were poor and had the choice of becoming reggae musicians or resorting to crime (sometimes both). It appears that the criticism of Dreadlock Holiday has more to do with the appropriation of black music and accents for white musicians. The senseless gun deaths of Peter Tosh, Carlton Barrett and Junior Braithwaite proved that the famous continued to be a target for criminals in Jamaica years after Dreadlock Holiday was released.
* Similarly, the remake of seventies feelgood summer hit ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QQW4twgWts I'm Going To Barbados]]'' by [[OneHitWonder long-forgotten band]] Typically Tropical, when it was reworked in the early 2000's as ''I'm Going To Ibiza'', omitted the introduction by the pilot, spoken in a thick West Indian accent, and the cod-West Indian singing voice used for the song....

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-->Well --->Well I argued with the judge
-->But
judge\\
But
the [[SexIsEvil bastard wouldn't budge]]
-->Cause
budge]]\\
Cause
[[InterruptedIntimacy they caught me licking fudge]]
-->And
fudge]]\\
And
they never told me that you were a [[JailBait minor]]
* Music/TenCc's hit single ''Dreadlock Holiday'' "Dreadlock Holiday" passed without comment in the 1970's. It was based on a real life incident in which Graham Gouldman was mugged for his (minimal) bling in the West Indies - the mugger made it look like an agreed, if not unforced, sale by deliberately paying Gouldman a dollar for jewellery worth many times that. The song has since been criticised for its implication that all dreadlocked Jamaicans are violent robbers and all Jamaican women are hookers. The "dark voices" in the song have also been described as stereotypical, and the fact it was done to a (quite good) reggae beat has also been criticised as reinforcing the "all blacks are criminals" message perceived by some in the song. The Jamaican Tourist Board wasn't exactly inclined to use it in adverts, either.[[note]]''Come to sunny Jamaica and be mugged!''[[/note]] It was alleged that two white British Jews (Goldman and Creme) were mis-using West Indian culture (reggae) to reinforce prejudice.
** However, many reggae stars had actually spoken of the violence in Jamaica (a notable example being Johnny "Johnny Too Bad Bad" by The Slickers), which was (and continues to be) very real. A lot of dreads were poor and had the choice of becoming reggae musicians or resorting to crime (sometimes both). It appears that the criticism of Dreadlock Holiday "Dreadlock Holiday" has more to do with the appropriation of black music and accents for white musicians. The senseless gun deaths of Peter Tosh, Carlton Barrett and Junior Braithwaite proved that the famous continued to be a target for criminals in Jamaica years after Dreadlock Holiday "Dreadlock Holiday" was released.
* Similarly, the remake of seventies feelgood summer hit ''[[http://www."[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QQW4twgWts I'm Going To Barbados]]'' Barbados]]" by [[OneHitWonder long-forgotten band]] Typically Tropical, when it was reworked in the early 2000's as ''I'm "I'm Going To Ibiza'', Ibiza," omitted the introduction by the pilot, spoken in a thick West Indian accent, and the cod-West Indian singing voice used for the song....



* The song ''That Doggie in the Window'' by Patti Page was just a light-hearted song in its day but in recent times brings to mind puppy mills. Shelters and animal welfare organizations have been satirically used the song in promotions. Patti was well-aware of this and prior to her death revamped the song as "[[http://www.humanesociety.org/news/profile/2009/10/old_song_new_tune_103009.html That Doggie in the Shelter]]".

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* The song ''That "That Doggie in the Window'' Window" by Patti Page was just a light-hearted song in its day but in recent times brings to mind puppy mills. Shelters and animal welfare organizations have been satirically used the song in promotions. Patti was well-aware of this and prior to her death revamped the song as "[[http://www.humanesociety.org/news/profile/2009/10/old_song_new_tune_103009.html That Doggie in the Shelter]]".



* K.T. Oslin's "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA-TqZuuEA4 You Can't Do That]]" [[{{Deconstruction}} deconstructs]] the [[CantGetAwayWithNuthin zero tolerance]] social climate of the [[TheEighties late eighties]] and [[TheNineties nineties]].

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* K.T. Oslin's "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA-TqZuuEA4 You Can't Do That]]" [[{{Deconstruction}} deconstructs]] {{deconstruct|ion}}s the [[CantGetAwayWithNuthin zero tolerance]] social climate of the [[TheEighties late eighties]] and [[TheNineties nineties]].



* Doris Day's "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOUd-dD7u7w A Guy Is A Guy]]" is about a strange man following the narrator home and into her house, and it's played like a cute puppy-love story, rather than, say, an obsessed stalker. The innocence of the 50s, indeed.

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* Doris Day's "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOUd-dD7u7w A Guy Is A Guy]]" is about a strange man following the narrator home and into her house, and it's played like a cute puppy-love story, rather than, say, an obsessed stalker. The innocence of the 50s, indeed.indeed.

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28th Jan '16 4:46:44 PM wyattte
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* What is socially acceptable to say in Spanish might not be in other languages. For example Celia Cruz's "La Negra Tiene Tumbao" is a popular song however referring to someone casually by their skintone like that in English would be considered offensive or even racist.

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* What is socially acceptable to say in Spanish might not be in other languages. For example Celia Cruz's "La Negra Tiene Tumbao" is a popular song however referring to someone casually by their skintone like that in English would be considered offensive or even racist.racist.
* Jimmy Soul's 1963 single "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh9ZZgDqzAg If You Wanna Be Happy]]," which hit number one on the Billboard Hot 100, proudly extolls the virtues of getting an "ugly woman" to marry you. Try playing this song today post-fourth-wave feminism and see what happens.
* Doris Day's "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOUd-dD7u7w A Guy Is A Guy]]" is about a strange man following the narrator home and into her house, and it's played like a cute puppy-love story, rather than, say, an obsessed stalker. The innocence of the 50s, indeed.
16th Jan '16 3:58:43 PM Pichu-kun
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* Dancehall reggae has this problem. Most dancehall artists are from the Caribbean (most commonly Jamaica or Trinidad and Tobago), where extreme homophobia is widespread and this is reflected in the music. For example, Buju Banton's 1992 song "Boom Bye Bye" is about how wrong gay men (or "batty bwoy" in Jamaican patois) are and how they all deserve to be shot. This has led to problems in Buju Banton's career in the U.S. and gay rights organizations have campaigned against his American performances.

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* Dancehall reggae has this problem. Most dancehall artists are from the Caribbean (most commonly Jamaica or Trinidad and Tobago), where extreme homophobia is widespread and this is reflected in the music. For example, Buju Banton's 1992 song "Boom Bye Bye" is about how wrong gay men (or "batty bwoy" in Jamaican patois) are and how they all deserve to be shot. This has led to problems in Buju Banton's career in the U.S. and gay rights organizations have campaigned against his American performances.performances.
* What is socially acceptable to say in Spanish might not be in other languages. For example Celia Cruz's "La Negra Tiene Tumbao" is a popular song however referring to someone casually by their skintone like that in English would be considered offensive or even racist.
11th Aug '15 1:36:40 PM Azaram
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* From Music/PanicAtTheDisco's ''I Write Sins Not Tragedies'' (2006) contained the lyrics "And, yes, but what a shame, what a shame the poor groom's bride is a whore." Considering how much more controversial SlutShaming has grown over time, calling a woman a "whore" in a song does just not happen nowadays.

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* From Music/PanicAtTheDisco's ''I Write Sins Not Tragedies'' (2006) contained the lyrics "And, yes, but what a shame, what a shame the poor groom's bride is a whore." Considering how much more controversial SlutShaming has grown over time, calling a woman a "whore" in a song does just not happen nowadays. That was the point of the song, however.
4th Aug '15 12:06:16 PM FromtheWordsofBR
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** It was presumably for this reason that the song was used in a famous commercial for the British advertising campaign Drinking and Driving Wrecks Lives.

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** It was presumably for this reason that the song was used in a famous commercial PIF for the British advertising campaign Drinking and Driving Wrecks Lives.Lives--wherein it begins with many people enjoying themselves at a pub garden and drinking; 2 of those people drive off in a car, and the song slows down to a disturbing stop before we cut to the car inevitably wrecked and bloodied.
21st Jul '15 12:01:11 PM youngbond007
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* Not even Music/{{KISS}} is immune to this. Listen to [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-PuYU7OKdc Deuce]]. Just a wee bit sexist, isn't it? Plus, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiSB7G732Eg Domino]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMlVZ6RDets Christine Sixteen]] might be seen badly in today's PaedoHunt world (especially Domino, which never gives the girl's age but it can easily be taken as less teenager and more {{Lolicon}}). In fact, a lot of Kiss songs fall into this. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S4-f3w-ALQ Detroit Rock City]] is about smoking, drinking and driving. All at once. Seeing as some Kiss albums contain nothing but songs about sex (Gene Simmons really loves sex, and has had sex with over a thousand women), the chance for sexism pops up quite often.

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* Not even Music/{{KISS}} is immune to this. Listen to [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-PuYU7OKdc Deuce]]. Just a wee bit sexist, isn't it? Plus, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiSB7G732Eg Domino]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMlVZ6RDets Christine Sixteen]] might be seen badly in today's PaedoHunt world (especially Domino, which never gives the girl's age but it can easily be taken as less teenager and more {{Lolicon}}). In fact, a lot of Kiss songs fall into this. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S4-f3w-ALQ Detroit Rock City]] is about smoking, drinking and driving. All at once. Seeing as some Kiss albums contain nothing but songs about sex (Gene Simmons really loves sex, and has claimed to had sex with over a thousand women), women; and for crying out loud, this is the band that has a song called "Let's Put The X In Sex"), the chance for sexism pops up quite often.
19th Jul '15 12:03:49 PM wuggles
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* K.T. Oslin's "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA-TqZuuEA4 You Can't Do That]]" [[{{Deconstruction}} deconstructs]] the [[CantGetAwayWithNuthin zero tolerance]] social climate of the [[TheEighties late eighties]] and [[TheNineties nineties]].

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* K.T. Oslin's "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA-TqZuuEA4 You Can't Do That]]" [[{{Deconstruction}} deconstructs]] the [[CantGetAwayWithNuthin zero tolerance]] social climate of the [[TheEighties late eighties]] and [[TheNineties nineties]].nineties]].
* Dancehall reggae has this problem. Most dancehall artists are from the Caribbean (most commonly Jamaica or Trinidad and Tobago), where extreme homophobia is widespread and this is reflected in the music. For example, Buju Banton's 1992 song "Boom Bye Bye" is about how wrong gay men (or "batty bwoy" in Jamaican patois) are and how they all deserve to be shot. This has led to problems in Buju Banton's career in the U.S. and gay rights organizations have campaigned against his American performances.
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