History ValuesDissonance / FIlm

** You know, calling concern and respect for family and heritage "abstract cultural concerns and insecurities", might be a form of UnfortunateImplications. At least for the cultures who find the idea of having cousins you've never met ludicrous

* ''TheLastSamurai'', full stop.

* {{The Last Samurai}}, full stop.

*** The abortion story arc, however, is probably less controversial now than it would have been when the film came out, although this would depend on where you live, one supposes. THe extremely relaxed attitude towards STDS and unprotected sex might be more jarring now than it was before people knew about AIDS.

*** Vulcan's weren't terribly marginalized or outnumbered [[spoiler: until [[strike: {{JJAbrams}}]] Nero decided to blow up their home planet.]] In this incarnation, Spock gets the most grief over being a {{Half Human Hybrid}}. {{Your Mileage May Vary}} on if we can expect a super-advanced culture to still have issues with miscegenation.

** One of the officiers (while watching a video of John Spartan's methods of apprehending criminals) comments "Is this real life?"

* [[OlderThanTelevision Going way back]], ''{{Birth of a Nation}}'' (and by extension, the novel it was based on, ''The Clansman'' by Thomas Dixon) features the Ku Klux Klan as the ''good guys'', complete with a BigDamnHeroes moment towards the end of the story. This film went on to be so influential that for decades, the director had an honorary award named after him at the Oscars. The film is now rarely seen outside of film classes thanks to ValuesDissonance making it unwatchable to anyone except a film student learning the origins of some of the most basic techniques in film making that were invented by this movie. Later in his career, director D.W. Griffith made ''Intolerance'', a film about the destructive nature of prejudice, as an apology.

* A lot of the SeanConnery [[JamesBond Bond]] movies suffer from this, including such delights as RapeIsLove, ''really'' [[DisposableWoman Disposable Women]], and SlapSlapKiss. Made ''extra'' dissonant in ''{{The Man with the Golden Gun}}'', when Roger Moore tries to slap around women, Connery-style, and looks as uncomfortable doing it as a modern audience would watching it. They are ''still'' toned down from the massive misogyny (and racism) that exists in the books. You only have to read a few other British thrillers of the early 20th Century (something by Dennis Wheatley, say) to realize with some alarm that Ian Fleming was quite liberal for his time.

* The ending of ''[=McClintock=]'' condones beating your wife if she rides you too hard...and when it's revealed that what she's angry that he's cheating on her, his response is "So what?" The very end shows that indeed his turning her over his knee has had a positive affect on their marriage. Likewise in ''El Dorado'' James Caan does a very disturbing parody of a Chinese man.

** When the series was originally aired the fact that there was a [[RedScare Russian]] on board was an example of how tolerant the future was. Nowadays ... that has less impact.

* In ''TopsyTurvy'', William Gilbert has to deal with an actor who has a hissy fit over his costume which seems too "revealing," even though by modern audiences' eyes, it is positive demure. Considering the stereotype of serious actors like DustinHoffman is their eagerness to seize any kind of prop or costume, no matter how outrageous if appropriate to the role to enhance their performance, he seems like a spoiled brat to us.

* [[OlderThanTelevision Going way back]], ''{{Birth of a Nation}}'' (and by extension, the novel it was based on, ''The Clansman'' by Thomas Dixon) features the Ku Klux Klan as the ''good guys'', complete with a BigDamnHeroes moment towards the end of the story. This film went on to be so influential that for decades, the director had an honorary award named after him at the Oscars. The film is now rarely seen outside of film classes thanks to ValuesDissonance making it unwatchable to anyone except a film student learning the origins of some of the most basic techniques in film making that were invented by this movie.

* Parodied in the film ''DemolitionMan'', starring Sylvester Stallone and Wesley Snipes, where in 2032, everyone lives in a pacifistic and politically correct world where even profanity is an offense. Needless to say, the future cannot handle anything that Simon Phoenix does, considering he was a psycho from 1996 where crime was rampant.

* Parodied in the film ''Demolition Man'', starring Sylvester Stallone and Wesley Snipes, where in 2032, everyone lives in a pacifistic and politically correct world where even profanity is an offense. Needless to say, the future cannot handle anything that Simon Phoenix does, considering he was a psycho from 1996 where crime was rampant.

* In ''TopsyTurvy'', William Gilbert has to deal with an actor who has a hissy fit over his costume which seems too "revealing," even though by modern audiences' eyes, it is positive demure. Considering the stereotype of serious actors like DustinHoffman is their eagerness to seize any kind of prop or costume, no matter how outrageous if appropriate to the role to enhance, their performance, he seems like a spoiled brat to us.

* In the film of the musical ''Cabaret'' , Liza Minelli's character tells her gigolo friend that the best way for him to get the Virginal Jewish Girl ( or any virgin, for that matter) romantically interested in him is to "pounce" ( that is, force them to sleep with you. He protests that it'll get him thrown into jail, but Liza Minelli's character insists that it'll work. And it does.
** YMMV, but there's also a very strong suggestion that girls become stripper's laregely in order to get their Daddy's attention.

* In the film TheLastSamurai, the scene where the young samurai's top-knot is cut off is meant to be a {{Tearjerker}}. Doesn't quite work when you realize that by cutting off his top-knot they took his "right" to slaughter peasants at will.
** Come on, dude, there's no reason to assume he'd ever killed an innocent person. You're just trying to PaintTheHeroBlack.
** I don't think the original example was necessarily suggesting that the specific samurai in question had ever killed an innocent person, but they are correct in highlighting that the change in status simply means he has lost a number of special rights and privileges that were pretty repressive, including the right to kill peasants at will. It is harder to see it as sad from a modern, democratic perspective that he's lost his status in light of that fact, really.
** {{YourMileageMayVary}}, of course. Samurai were being portrayed as a romanticized ideal. It was true that samurai could kill peasants on a whim, but it was highly frowned upon and dishonorable to abuse such a privilege. This right to kill a peasant at will, for instance, is used in a deleted scene, and it's only used after a samurai is provoked. The samurai even tries to ignore the insults before being pushed to action.
** I wouldn't call being tapped with a cane a legitimate provocation for murder. The fact that the movie seemed to portray this cultural dissonance in a sympathetic light was one of the many reasons I hated this film. Sometimes, being "frowned upon" isn't enough.
** The [[WhatAnIdiot guy was harassing]] [[BullyingADragon an obvious samurai carrying 2 weapons.]] [[DarwinAwards There may be samurai who unjustly killed innocent peasants, but this guy was asking for it.]]
** And that justifies murder?
** Stupidity does not deserve death. And might makes ''not'' right.
** I agree with the latter, but strongly disagree with the former.
*** There's a reason the saying "Too stupid to live." exists.
*** By that logic, you should feel perfectly comfortable with blowing up a home for the mentally retarded.
** Ah...no. The mentally retarded are people who are suffering from a disorder that they cannot help, and in your example, are doing nothing wrong. That would be pointless murder. I am talking about a completely normal guy with a fully functioning brain that decides that it's fun to go harass an armed stranger. This man wasn't even drunk, he has no excuse for acting this stupid. That's not immoral, that's just the natural order of things. When a person plays with fire and gets burned, you do not blame the fire.
** Samurai are still, for the most part, nothing more than thugs who can kill you if you walked in front of him ammong many, many other small reasons with nothing more than a Handwave of why.
*** Akira Kurosawa descended from a samurai family, and based on his interviews, he would've agree with this assessment.

** Most Samurai had been paper pushers with swords by the time the Satsuma Rebellion rolled around. Like knights, they were romanticized years after their prime, the Warring States period. I'll side with Akira Kurosawa, who descended from a samurai family, and basically apologized for his family and samurai in general for being asses toward the rest of society.