History UsefulNotes / VictimBlaming

10th Apr '18 11:21:22 AM DesertDragon
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* Blaming a victim of homo/transphobia for being openly queer in public, such as a same-sex couple holding hands, a CampGay man, ButchLesbian, or transgender person being themselves, etc. Even if people agree that the actions were wrong (itself not a guarantee), GLBT people are still told that violence and discrimination against them wouldn't happen if they "tone it down".

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* Blaming a victim of homo/transphobia for being openly queer expressive in public, such as a same-sex couple holding hands, a CampGay man, ButchLesbian, or openly transgender person being themselves, etc. Even if people agree that the actions were wrong (itself not a guarantee), GLBT people are still told that violence and discrimination against them wouldn't happen if they "tone it down".
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8th Mar '18 10:07:12 PM nombretomado
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# Victim blaming comforts you by reassuring you that bad things only happen to people who 'deserve' it because they didn't 'do the right thing': '''"People choose to become victims."'''[[note]]In [[TVTropesWillRuinYourVocabulary troper terms]], this would be labeling all misfortunes as LaserGuidedKarma and all victims as {{Asshole Victim}}s. We intentionally refrained from potholing the main phrase because then [[UnfortunateImplications we could be seen as]] [[{{Hypocrite}} engaging in victim blaming ourselves]].[[/note]]

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# Victim blaming comforts you by reassuring you that bad things only happen to people who 'deserve' it because they didn't 'do the right thing': '''"People choose to become victims."'''[[note]]In [[TVTropesWillRuinYourVocabulary [[JustForFun/TVTropesWillRuinYourVocabulary troper terms]], this would be labeling all misfortunes as LaserGuidedKarma and all victims as {{Asshole Victim}}s. We intentionally refrained from potholing the main phrase because then [[UnfortunateImplications we could be seen as]] [[{{Hypocrite}} engaging in victim blaming ourselves]].[[/note]]
8th Dec '17 9:59:18 AM Hawkeye86
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->[[TheStinger This page is, of course,]] ''[[TheStinger all your fault.]]'' [[TheStinger How could you? Huh? And after all we did for you!]]

-->[[spoiler:[--[[InsultBackfire "Your" who...?]] [[ComicallyMissingThePoint ......Who names their kid "Your"?]] [[TakeThat Maybe it's]] ''"[[YourMom YOUR MOM!]]"''--]]]

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->[[TheStinger This page is, of course,]] ''[[TheStinger all your fault.]]'' [[TheStinger How could you? Huh? And after all we did for you!]]

-->[[spoiler:[--[[InsultBackfire "Your" who...?]] [[ComicallyMissingThePoint ......Who names their kid "Your"?]] [[TakeThat Maybe it's]] ''"[[YourMom YOUR MOM!]]"''--]]]
you!]]
24th Nov '17 11:19:03 PM frozen
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** It should be noted that the phrase "fight or flight instinct", referring to the adrenaline rush that gives people the necessary energy and strength to either run from or fight off a threat, is over-simplified, leading some people to think that not fighting or escaping means that there was no survival instinct and thus the victim didn't really feel threatened and thus allowed themselves to be victimized. The more correct idiom would be "fight, flight, [[TakeAThirdOption or]] ''[[DeerInTheHeadlights freeze]]''". [[labelnote:There are times when it makes perfect sense to respond to danger by freezing up and waiting for it to go away...]]Essentially, by remaining motionless, the chance of the threat ''noticing'' them (if it hasn't already) decreases dramatically (objects in motion are more easily detected by the eyes of many animals, and moving objects also tend to make more noise than motionless objects). Granted, in the situations we're talking about, it's too late to escape the danger ''entirely'' by freezing up, and indeed, many animals will fall back to fight or flight when it becomes clear that freezing has failed, but... keep reading.[[/labelnote]] It's an equally valid instinct to simply wait for the attack to end in order to walk away alive, especially against an attacker who is likely to be further provoked by resistance. It may sound counter-intuitive, but there are times when the safest and smartest thing a person can do to survive an attack is to do nothing at all.

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** It should be noted that the phrase "fight or flight instinct", referring to the adrenaline rush that gives people the necessary energy and strength to either run from or fight off a threat, is over-simplified, leading some people to think that not fighting or escaping means that there was no survival instinct and thus the victim didn't really feel threatened and thus allowed themselves to be victimized. The more correct idiom would be "fight, flight, [[TakeAThirdOption or]] ''[[DeerInTheHeadlights freeze]]''". [[labelnote:There freeze]]''", with “freeze” actually being the most common reaction. [[note]]This may be because the great majority of apex predators are times when it makes perfect sense to respond to danger by freezing up and waiting for it to go away...]]Essentially, by remaining motionless, the chance of the threat ''noticing'' them (if it hasn't already) decreases dramatically (objects in sight hunters that depend on motion are more easily detected by to locate their next meal; the eyes of many animals, and moving objects also tend to make more noise than motionless objects). Granted, in the situations we're talking about, it's too late to escape the danger ''entirely'' by freezing up, and indeed, many animals prey animal that instinctively stands still will fall back to fight or flight when it becomes clear that freezing has failed, but... keep reading.[[/labelnote]] likely live another day.[[/note]] It's an equally valid instinct to simply wait for the attack to end in order to walk away alive, especially against an attacker who is likely to be further provoked by resistance. It may sound counter-intuitive, counter-intuitive but there are times when the safest and smartest thing a person can do to survive an attack is to do nothing at all.
19th Oct '17 9:09:18 PM Nicoaln
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* Telling a victim of bullying that "they let themselves get bullied", or pointing out the reason they were being bullied.
19th Oct '17 8:40:43 PM nowaymanguy
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"Tell a theft victim that they should've locked their door if they didn't want to be robbed, and you're demonstrating common sense. Tell an attempted murder victim they shouldn't have provoked the attacker if they didn't want to almost get killed, and you're demonstrating common sense. Tell a rape victim that they shouldn't have dressed provocatively if they didn't want to get raped, and suddenly it's victim blaming. But what's the difference?"
19th Oct '17 8:28:39 PM nowaymanguy
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"Tell a theft victim that they should've locked their door if they didn't want to be robbed, and you're demonstrating common sense. Tell an attempted murder victim they shouldn't have provoked the attacker if they didn't want to almost get killed, and you're demonstrating common sense. Tell a rape victim that they shouldn't have dressed provocatively if they didn't want to get raped, and suddenly it's victim blaming. But what's the difference?"



* "Tell a theft victim that they should've locked their door if they didn't want to be robbed, and you're demonstrating common sense. Tell an attempted murder victim they shouldn't have provoked the attacker if they didn't want to almost get killed, and you're demonstrating common sense. Tell a rape victim that they shouldn't have dressed provocatively if they didn't want to get raped, and suddenly it's victim blaming. But what's the difference?"

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* "Tell a theft victim that they should've locked their door if they didn't want to be robbed, and you're demonstrating common sense. Tell an attempted murder victim they shouldn't have provoked the attacker if they didn't want to almost get killed, and you're demonstrating common sense. Tell a rape victim that they shouldn't have dressed provocatively if they didn't want to get raped, and suddenly it's victim blaming. But what's the difference?"
19th Oct '17 8:25:55 PM nowaymanguy
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* "Tell a theft victim that they should've locked their door if they didn't want to be robbed, and you're demonstrating common sense. Tell an attempted murder victim they shouldn't have provoked the attacker if they didn't want to almost get killed, and you're demonstrating common sense. Tell a rape victim that they shouldn't have dressed provocatively if they didn't want to get raped, and suddenly it's victim blaming. But what's the difference?"
18th Sep '17 8:14:09 PM Maddoxsort
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-->[[spoiler:[--[[InsultBackfire "Your" who...?]] [[ComicallyMissingThePoint ...Who names their kid "Your"?]] [[TakeThat Maybe it's]] ''"[[YourMom YOUR]]'' '''''[[YourMom MOM!]]'''''''"''--]]]

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-->[[spoiler:[--[[InsultBackfire "Your" who...?]] [[ComicallyMissingThePoint ...[[ComicallyMissingThePoint ......Who names their kid "Your"?]] [[TakeThat Maybe it's]] ''"[[YourMom YOUR]]'' '''''[[YourMom MOM!]]'''''''"''--]]]YOUR MOM!]]"''--]]]
18th Sep '17 8:13:20 PM Maddoxsort
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-->[[spoiler:[--[[InsultBackfire "Your" who...?]] [[ComicallyMissingThePoint ...Who names their kid "Your"?]] [[TakeThat Maybe it's]] ''[[YourMom YOUR MOM!]]''--]]]

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-->[[spoiler:[--[[InsultBackfire "Your" who...?]] [[ComicallyMissingThePoint ...Who names their kid "Your"?]] [[TakeThat Maybe it's]] ''[[YourMom YOUR MOM!]]''--]]]''"[[YourMom YOUR]]'' '''''[[YourMom MOM!]]'''''''"''--]]]
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