History UsefulNotes / TheStasi

5th Apr '16 9:10:29 PM Fireblood
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* In ''{{Series/Deutschland 83}}'', the main character is forced to infiltrate the West by the Stasi. It's one of the few pieces of media in reunified Germany to show the Stasi in a GreyAndGreyMorality setting than automatic AcceptableTargets [[http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/17/deutschland-83-wowed-world-germans-dont-like-it which led to some]] [[AmericansHateTingle Germans disavowing the film.]]

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* In ''{{Series/Deutschland 83}}'', the main character is forced to infiltrate the West by the Stasi. It's one of the few pieces of media in reunified Germany to show the Stasi in a GreyAndGreyMorality setting rather than as automatic AcceptableTargets [[http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/17/deutschland-83-wowed-world-germans-dont-like-it which led to some]] [[AmericansHateTingle Germans disavowing the film.]]
22nd Mar '16 11:02:59 AM Jhonny
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* Almost any person who was old enough to have possibly been related to the Stasi in any way shape or form either touts their opposition to them, is denounced as a collaborator, or ''both''. This is especially true for politicians who grew up in East Germany.
20th Mar '16 9:08:42 AM karstovich2
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What especially made Stasi infamous was their decision in the 1970s to drop the old totalitarian MO of arresting and torturing dissents after deeming it too ineffective, and instead instigate campaigns of psychological harassment and manipulation of their targets, something which also extended to their interrogation and punishment techniques were "cruder" courses of actions, such as beatings and hard labor, were often foregone in favor of more insidious things, such as ''extremely'' prolonged solitary confinement. As an old saying goes ''"UsefulNotes/TheGestapo were bone breakers. The Stasi were ''soul'' breakers."''

At their height, they had one officer for every 166 East German citizens. For comparison, the old [[UsefulNotes/MoscowCentre KGB]] "only" had one officer for every 5830 citizens and its modern counterpart, the FSB in Putin's Russia, can work about 1 officer for 273 citizens. The best the Gestapo could manage was one officer for ''2000'' citizens. And these numbers only count official full-time agents--when you include the vast numbers of East Germans who were at one time or another acting as part-time or even full-time informants for the Stasi, the number goes up to ''one in seven'' by some estimates. No one was sure if they were being watched or not, and could never tell if their friends or family were informing on them. Often people had no choice.

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What especially made Stasi infamous was their decision in the 1970s to drop the old totalitarian MO of arresting and torturing dissents after deeming it too ineffective, and instead instigate campaigns of psychological harassment and manipulation of their targets, something which also extended to their interrogation and punishment techniques were where "cruder" courses of actions, action, such as beatings and hard labor, were often foregone in favor of more insidious things, such as ''extremely'' prolonged solitary confinement. As an old saying goes ''"UsefulNotes/TheGestapo were bone breakers. The Stasi were ''soul'' breakers."''

At their height, they had one officer for every 166 East German citizens. For comparison, The Stasi also took [[BigBrotherIsWatching mass surveillance]] to new heights. To give you a baseline, the old [[UsefulNotes/MoscowCentre KGB]] "only" had one officer for every 5830 citizens and its modern counterpart, the FSB in Putin's Russia, can work about 1 officer for 273 citizens. The best the Gestapo could manage was one officer for ''2000'' citizens.2000 citizens. The Stasi had one officer for every ''166'' citizens of East Germany. And these numbers only count official full-time agents--when you include the vast numbers of East Germans who were at one time or another acting as part-time or even full-time informants for the Stasi, the number goes up to ''one in seven'' by some estimates. No one was sure if they were being watched or not, and could never tell if their friends or family were informing on them. Often people had no choice.
20th Mar '16 9:04:00 AM karstovich2
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[[caption-width-right:150:The sword and shield of the Party.]]

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[[caption-width-right:150:The sword and shield and sword (well, bayonet) of the Party.]]
20th Mar '16 9:01:42 AM karstovich2
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At their height, they had one officer for every 166 East German citizens. For comparison, the old [[UsefulNotes/MoscowCentre KGB]] "only" had one officer for every 5830 citizens and its modern counterpart, the FSB in Putin's Russia, can work about 1 officer for 273 citizens. The best the Gestapo could manage was one officer for ''2000'' citizens. No one was sure if they were being watched or not, and could never tell if their friends or family were informing on them. Often people had no choice.

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At their height, they had one officer for every 166 East German citizens. For comparison, the old [[UsefulNotes/MoscowCentre KGB]] "only" had one officer for every 5830 citizens and its modern counterpart, the FSB in Putin's Russia, can work about 1 officer for 273 citizens. The best the Gestapo could manage was one officer for ''2000'' citizens. And these numbers only count official full-time agents--when you include the vast numbers of East Germans who were at one time or another acting as part-time or even full-time informants for the Stasi, the number goes up to ''one in seven'' by some estimates. No one was sure if they were being watched or not, and could never tell if their friends or family were informing on them. Often people had no choice.
16th Mar '16 4:51:56 AM Wuz
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At their height, they had one officer for every 166 East German citizens. For comparison, the old [[UsefulNotes/MoscowCentre KBG]] "only" had one officer for every 5830 citizens and its modern counterpart, the FSB in Putin's Russia, can work about 1 officer for 273 citizens. The best the Gestapo could manage was one officer for ''2000'' citizens. No one was sure if they were being watched or not, and could never tell if their friends or family were informing on them. Often people had no choice.

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At their height, they had one officer for every 166 East German citizens. For comparison, the old [[UsefulNotes/MoscowCentre KBG]] KGB]] "only" had one officer for every 5830 citizens and its modern counterpart, the FSB in Putin's Russia, can work about 1 officer for 273 citizens. The best the Gestapo could manage was one officer for ''2000'' citizens. No one was sure if they were being watched or not, and could never tell if their friends or family were informing on them. Often people had no choice.
3rd Mar '16 3:00:56 PM Terran117
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* In ''{{Series/Deutschland 83}}'', the main character is forced to infiltrate the West by the Stasi.

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* In ''{{Series/Deutschland 83}}'', the main character is forced to infiltrate the West by the Stasi. It's one of the few pieces of media in reunified Germany to show the Stasi in a GreyAndGreyMorality setting than automatic AcceptableTargets [[http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/17/deutschland-83-wowed-world-germans-dont-like-it which led to some]] [[AmericansHateTingle Germans disavowing the film.]]
* In ''LightNovel/{{Schwarzesmarken}}'' the Stasi serve as the true antagonists in the series compared to the HordeOfAlienLocusts that are the BETA by hampering the progress of the NVA and [[spoiler: launching a coup for power.]] Other than the obvious BugWar and their use of HumongousMecha, they're far less subtle compared to their RealLife counterparts that work in the shadows especially with their villainous traits cranked UpToEleven.
25th Feb '16 3:52:05 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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At their height, they had one officer for every 166 East German citizens. The FSB in Putin's Russia can work about 1 officer for 273 citizens. The best the Gestapo could manage was one officer for ''2000'' citizens. No one was sure if they were being watched or not, and could never tell if their friends or family were informing on them. Often people had no choice.

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At their height, they had one officer for every 166 East German citizens. The For comparison, the old [[UsefulNotes/MoscowCentre KBG]] "only" had one officer for every 5830 citizens and its modern counterpart, the FSB in Putin's Russia Russia, can work about 1 officer for 273 citizens. The best the Gestapo could manage was one officer for ''2000'' citizens. No one was sure if they were being watched or not, and could never tell if their friends or family were informing on them. Often people had no choice.
24th Feb '16 11:03:39 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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What especially made Stasi infamous was their decision in the 1970s to drop the old totalitarian MO of arresting and torturing dissents for after deeming it too ineffective, and instead instigate campaigns of psychological harassment and manipulation of their targets, something which also extended to their interrogation and punishment techniques were "cruder" courses of actions, such as beatings and hard labor, were often foregone in favor of more insidious things, such as ''extremely'' prolonged solitary confinement. As an old saying goes ''"UsefulNotes/TheGestapo were bone breakers. The Stasi were ''soul'' breakers."''

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What especially made Stasi infamous was their decision in the 1970s to drop the old totalitarian MO of arresting and torturing dissents for after deeming it too ineffective, and instead instigate campaigns of psychological harassment and manipulation of their targets, something which also extended to their interrogation and punishment techniques were "cruder" courses of actions, such as beatings and hard labor, were often foregone in favor of more insidious things, such as ''extremely'' prolonged solitary confinement. As an old saying goes ''"UsefulNotes/TheGestapo were bone breakers. The Stasi were ''soul'' breakers."''
24th Feb '16 11:02:46 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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* In ''{{Series/Deutschland83}}'', the main character is forced to infiltrate the West by the Stasi.

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* In ''{{Series/Deutschland83}}'', ''{{Series/Deutschland 83}}'', the main character is forced to infiltrate the West by the Stasi.
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