History UsefulNotes / TheBechdelTest

7th Jan '16 10:15:32 PM Eagal
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Irrelevant information.
** The same website has an [[http://www.avoiceformen.com/art-entertainment-culture/portrayal-of-men-in-the-media-why-there-needs-to-be-a-reverse-bechdel-test/ article]] suggesting the need for a male equivalent. [[note]]Feminist critics have acknowledged this, and usually dismiss it on the grounds that takes the focus off the fact that sexism towards women is as big a problem as it is. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement They are entitled to this opinion.]][[/note]]
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** The same website has an [[http://www.avoiceformen.com/art-entertainment-culture/portrayal-of-men-in-the-media-why-there-needs-to-be-a-reverse-bechdel-test/ article]] suggesting the need for a male equivalent. [[note]]Feminist critics have acknowledged this, and usually dismiss it on the grounds that takes the focus off the fact that sexism towards women is as big a problem as it is. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement They are entitled to this opinion.]][[/note]]
6th Jan '16 2:37:22 PM Hallwings
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* [[http://www.themarysue.com/star-trek-bechdel-test/ This article]] applies the Bechdel Test to ''Franchise/StarTrek''. Unsurprisingly, ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' has the lowest passrate (7.5%); somewhat surprisingly, ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'', a prequel made 50 years later, has the second-lowest (39%). This is probably because these two series only went from TheSmurfettePrinciple, with only one female on the main cast for TOS (Creator/NichelleNichols as Uhura) to TwoGirlsToATeam for Enterprise (Grace Park as Hoshi Sato and Jolene Blalock as T'Pol). ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' has the highest (86.9%), and also the only season to have a 100% passrate (season 5); whether by coincidence or not, it's also the only ''Trek'' with a female captain (Kate Mulgrew as Captain Kathryn Janeway).
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* [[http://www.themarysue.com/star-trek-bechdel-test/ This article]] applies the Bechdel Test to ''Franchise/StarTrek''. Unsurprisingly, ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' has the lowest passrate (7.5%); somewhat surprisingly, ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'', a prequel made 50 years later, has the second-lowest (39%). This is probably because these two series only went from TheSmurfettePrinciple, with only one female on the main cast for TOS (Creator/NichelleNichols as Uhura) to TwoGirlsToATeam for Enterprise (Grace (Linda Park as Hoshi Sato and Jolene Blalock as T'Pol). ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' has the highest (86.9%), and also the only season to have a 100% passrate (season 5); whether by coincidence or not, it's also the only ''Trek'' with a female captain (Kate Mulgrew as Captain Kathryn Janeway).
9th Dec '15 10:46:22 AM crazysamaritan
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* ''Webcomic/SkinHorse'' namechecks it [[http://www.webcomicsnation.com/shaenongarrity/skinhorse/series.php?view=archive&chapter=45896 here]], when even the lesbian cast member decides it's fine to discuss [[TheCasanova Tip]].
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* ''Webcomic/SkinHorse'' namechecks it ''Webcomic/SkinHorse'': ** Mentioned [[http://www.webcomicsnation.com/shaenongarrity/skinhorse/series.php?view=archive&chapter=45896 by name here]], when even the lesbian cast member decides it's fine to discuss [[TheCasanova Tip]].Tip]]. ** [[http://skin-horse.com/2010/todays-comic-352/ Cited by name]] again, and then instantly averted, as Gerda and Marcie really want to hear about Dr. Lee's [[CargoShip "vehicular perversions"]] with Nick.
8th Dec '15 7:27:08 AM crazysamaritan
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tweaked
* ''ComicBook/SuperiorFoesOfSpiderMan'' lampshades the test with Bettle complaining openly about how her life is failing the test since [[OneOfTheBoys she hangs out with a bunch of guys]].
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* ''ComicBook/SuperiorFoesOfSpiderMan'' lampshades references the test openly with Bettle Beetle complaining openly about how her life is failing the test since [[OneOfTheBoys she hangs out with a bunch of guys]]. guys]]. -->"My life is failing the Bechdel test."
4th Dec '15 10:42:53 AM crazysamaritan
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* ''Literature/TheDescendants'' references the test in one conversation that has been 100% about dating and boys. The conversation ends by a character mentioning that she's probably going to fail the test she's studying for, administered by a Professor Bechdel.
3rd Dec '15 7:51:05 PM TriumphantMagician
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** The same website has an [[http://www.avoiceformen.com/art-entertainment-culture/portrayal-of-men-in-the-media-why-there-needs-to-be-a-reverse-bechdel-test/ article]] suggesting the need for a male equivalent. [[note]]Feminist critics have acknowledged this, and usually dismiss it on the grounds that takes the focus off the fact that sexism towards women is as big a problem as it is. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement They are entitled to this option.]][[/note]]
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** The same website has an [[http://www.avoiceformen.com/art-entertainment-culture/portrayal-of-men-in-the-media-why-there-needs-to-be-a-reverse-bechdel-test/ article]] suggesting the need for a male equivalent. [[note]]Feminist critics have acknowledged this, and usually dismiss it on the grounds that takes the focus off the fact that sexism towards women is as big a problem as it is. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement They are entitled to this option.opinion.]][[/note]]
24th Nov '15 11:39:26 AM crazysamaritan
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* ''Webcomic/MagickChicks'': Callie complains about a movie failing the titular test.
14th Nov '15 2:33:27 PM PurrElise
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Not sure why the reviewer thought this. "Mulan" passes easily; she talks to her mother and grandmother and they talk to each other.
Now, by limiting yourself to shows/movies that pass the test, you'd be cutting out a ''lot'' of otherwise-worthy entertainment; indeed, a fair number of top-notch works have legitimate reasons for [[ChromosomeCasting including no women]] (e.g. ones set in [[Film/TheShawshankRedemption a men's prison]], or on [[Film/DasBoot a WWII military submarine]], or [[Film/TwelveAngryMen back when only men served on juries]][[note]] Since jury selection is tied to voting registration, and since the play is set after passage of the 19th Amendment, the jury ''could'' have had women. Gender/ethnic balance wasn't a standard expectation then, though, and truth be told all-male and all-female juries aren't terribly uncommon; for instance, in 2013 a (six-member) all-female jury tried [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zimmerman George Zimmerman]] for the murder of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trayvon_Martin Trayvon Martin]], which incidentally would, if it were a movie plot, probably firmly fail the Bechdel Test but also probably be pretty feminist (women sitting in judgment of men, after all).[[/note]]), or [[WesternAnimation/TheTripletsOfBelleville with no conversations at all]], or having only one or [[Film/MyDinnerWithAndre two characters]]; hell, if it's a romantic comedy, then it's natural that the female characters would talk about men and romance. The male characters will likely only talk about women too. You may even be cutting out a lot of works that have feminist themes (''Mulan'', the quintessential SweetPollyOliver story and generally held up as one of the most feminist movies in the Disney Canon, [[http://www.btchflcks.com/2012/09/women-and-gender-in-musicals-week-mulan.html fails]]). But that's the point; the majority of fiction created today, for whatever reason, seems to think women aren't worth portraying except in relation to men. Things have changed since the test was first formulated (the strip in which it was originally suggested was written in 1985), but [[MostWritersAreMale Hollywood]] still needs to be prodded to use something other than TheSmurfettePrinciple.
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Now, by limiting yourself to shows/movies that pass the test, you'd be cutting out a ''lot'' of otherwise-worthy entertainment; indeed, a fair number of top-notch works have legitimate reasons for [[ChromosomeCasting including no women]] (e.g. ones set in [[Film/TheShawshankRedemption a men's prison]], or on [[Film/DasBoot a WWII military submarine]], or [[Film/TwelveAngryMen back when only men served on juries]][[note]] Since jury selection is tied to voting registration, and since the play is set after passage of the 19th Amendment, the jury ''could'' have had women. Gender/ethnic balance wasn't a standard expectation then, though, and truth be told all-male and all-female juries aren't terribly uncommon; for instance, in 2013 a (six-member) all-female jury tried [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zimmerman George Zimmerman]] for the murder of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trayvon_Martin Trayvon Martin]], which incidentally would, if it were a movie plot, probably firmly fail the Bechdel Test but also probably be pretty feminist (women sitting in judgment of men, after all).[[/note]]), or [[WesternAnimation/TheTripletsOfBelleville with no conversations at all]], or having only one or [[Film/MyDinnerWithAndre two characters]]; hell, if it's a romantic comedy, then it's natural that the female characters would talk about men and romance. The male characters will likely only talk about women too. You may even be cutting out a lot of works that have feminist themes (''Mulan'', the quintessential SweetPollyOliver story and generally held up as one of the most feminist movies in the Disney Canon, [[http://www.btchflcks.com/2012/09/women-and-gender-in-musicals-week-mulan.html fails]]).themes. But that's the point; the majority of fiction created today, for whatever reason, seems to think women aren't worth portraying except in relation to men. Things have changed since the test was first formulated (the strip in which it was originally suggested was written in 1985), but [[MostWritersAreMale Hollywood]] still needs to be prodded to use something other than TheSmurfettePrinciple.
11th Nov '15 1:10:05 PM henry42
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[[folder:Music]] * Sir Mix-a-lot's "Baby Got Back" passes based on the opening line, "Oh my god, Becky! Look at her butt. It's so big." [[/folder]]
7th Nov '15 5:40:55 PM autofire
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* Sir Mix-a-lot's "I Like Big Butts" passes based on the opening line, "Oh my god, Becky! Look at her butt. It's so big."
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* Sir Mix-a-lot's "I Like Big Butts" "Baby Got Back" passes based on the opening line, "Oh my god, Becky! Look at her butt. It's so big."
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