History UsefulNotes / RMSTitanic

6th Feb '16 12:32:42 AM kazokuhouou
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* The ''Titanic'' is what set off the plot of ''Series/DowntonAbbey'': Lord Robert's two closest heirs were on board and died in the sinking, leaving the next possible heir to his title and estates a distant cousin who works as a solicitor.
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* The ''Titanic'' is what set off the plot of ''Series/DowntonAbbey'': Lord Robert's two closest heirs were on board and died in the sinking, leaving the next possible heir to his title and estates (and more importantly, his wife's money) a distant cousin who works as a solicitor.
4th Feb '16 1:39:58 PM kazokuhouou
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[[folder: References in Other Works]] * The ''Titanic'' is what set off the plot of ''Series/DowntonAbbey'': Lord Robert's two closest heirs were on board and died in the sinking, leaving the next possible heir to his title and estates a distant cousin who works as a solicitor. [[/folder]]
22nd Jan '16 2:03:58 AM quirkygenius
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* DisguisedInDrag: Rumors and stories abound of male passengers and crew doing just this rather than doing the honorable thing. Of course, it ''could'' have happened as advertised - A sinking ship is not exactly a situation where one pays ''that'' much attention. However, it appears to be a misrepresentation of a real incident: As mentioned elsewhere, Lightoller had a Zero Tolerance policy of men boarding the boats on his side (to the point of ordering 12 stokers out of a boat at gunpoint), and teenage boys ran the risk of being forced to stay behind if they were YoungerThanTheyLook. There was a family traveling whose son was 13, but was tall enough to be confused for being older. His mother was GenreSavvy enough to know that Lightoller [[CassandraTruth would not believe her]] if she insisted that he was still a boy. Therefore, she put her shawl around him and told the lad to keep quiet and not look anyone in the face.
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* DisguisedInDrag: Rumors and stories abound of male passengers and crew doing just this rather than doing the honorable thing.this, choosing pragmatic survival over heroic sacrifice. Of course, it ''could'' have happened as advertised - A sinking ship is not exactly a situation where one pays ''that'' much attention. However, it appears to be a misrepresentation of a real incident: As mentioned elsewhere, Lightoller had a Zero Tolerance policy of men boarding the boats on his side (to the point of ordering 12 stokers out of a boat at gunpoint), and teenage boys ran the risk of being forced to stay behind if they were YoungerThanTheyLook. There was a family traveling whose son was 13, but was tall enough to be confused for being older. His mother was GenreSavvy enough to know that Lightoller [[CassandraTruth would not believe her]] if she insisted that he was still a boy. Therefore, she put her shawl around him and told the lad to keep quiet and not look anyone in the face.
19th Jan '16 7:57:09 PM quirkygenius
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* MenAreTheExpendableGender: Several people on the Titanic had this view regarding the evacuation, [[UpToEleven including other men]] such as the controversial Officer Charles Lightoller; who was known for (which he himself admitted) finding a lifeboat with men on it, ordering them off at gunpoint, chewing them out, then filling it only half-full with women and children before launching it. More had this disgraceful view regarding Third Class men, [[TearJerker the majority of whom died in the sinking]]. ** This had far-reaching negative consequences in addition to the deaths. In addition to contributing to the tragically large death toll, this also meant that alot of families lost their breadwinner (because in those societies at that place and time [[ValuesDissonance the men were expected to make money to provide for the family while women were expected to stay at home to look after it and their kids]]) effecting the economy. Also, for those families who lost their malee breadwinner, the disaster also reduced the amount of available men.
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* MenAreTheExpendableGender: Several people on the Titanic had this view regarding the evacuation, [[UpToEleven including other men]] such as the controversial Officer Charles Lightoller; who was known for (which he himself admitted) finding a lifeboat with men on it, ordering them off at gunpoint, chewing them out, then filling it only half-full with women and children before launching it. More had this This disgraceful view regarding was especially applied to Third Class men, [[TearJerker the majority of whom died in the sinking]]. ** This had far-reaching negative consequences in addition to the deaths. In addition to contributing to the tragically large death toll, this toll. This also meant that alot a lot of families lost their breadwinner (because in those societies at that place and time [[ValuesDissonance the men were expected to make money to provide for the family while women were expected to stay at home to look after it and their kids]]) effecting many families and, by extension, the economy. Also, for those families who lost their malee male breadwinner, the disaster also reduced the amount of available men.men to remarry.
19th Jan '16 7:50:22 PM quirkygenius
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* MenAreTheExpendableGender: Several people on the Titanic had this view regarding the evacuation, including other men]] such as the controversial Officer Charles Lightoller; who was known for (which he himself admitted) finding a lifeboat with men on it, ordering them off at gunpoint, chewing them out, then filling it only half-full with women and children before launching it. This is especially true regarding the Third Class men [[TearJerker the majority of whom died]]. ** This had far-reaching consequences in addition to the deaths. In addition to contributing to the tragically large death toll, this also meant that alot of families lost their breadwinner (because in those societies at that place and time [[ValuesDissonance the men were expected to make money to provide for the family while women were expected to stay at home to look after it and their kids and struggled to find work]]) effecting the economy, also because for those families who lost their (usually male) breadwinner, the disaster also reduced the amount of available men.
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* MenAreTheExpendableGender: Several people on the Titanic had this view regarding the evacuation, [[UpToEleven including other men]] such as the controversial Officer Charles Lightoller; who was known for (which he himself admitted) finding a lifeboat with men on it, ordering them off at gunpoint, chewing them out, then filling it only half-full with women and children before launching it. This is especially true it. More had this disgraceful view regarding the Third Class men men, [[TearJerker the majority of whom died]]. died in the sinking]]. ** This had far-reaching negative consequences in addition to the deaths. In addition to contributing to the tragically large death toll, this also meant that alot of families lost their breadwinner (because in those societies at that place and time [[ValuesDissonance the men were expected to make money to provide for the family while women were expected to stay at home to look after it and their kids and struggled to find work]]) kids]]) effecting the economy, also because economy. Also, for those families who lost their (usually male) malee breadwinner, the disaster also reduced the amount of available men.
19th Jan '16 7:43:12 PM quirkygenius
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adding a trope that can be applied to the situation
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* MenAreTheExpendableGender: Several people on the Titanic had this view regarding the evacuation, including other men]] such as the controversial Officer Charles Lightoller; who was known for (which he himself admitted) finding a lifeboat with men on it, ordering them off at gunpoint, chewing them out, then filling it only half-full with women and children before launching it. This is especially true regarding the Third Class men [[TearJerker the majority of whom died]]. ** This had far-reaching consequences in addition to the deaths. In addition to contributing to the tragically large death toll, this also meant that alot of families lost their breadwinner (because in those societies at that place and time [[ValuesDissonance the men were expected to make money to provide for the family while women were expected to stay at home to look after it and their kids and struggled to find work]]) effecting the economy, also because for those families who lost their (usually male) breadwinner, the disaster also reduced the amount of available men.
11th Dec '15 5:42:09 PM LtFedora
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But in the late 1890s, the Norddeutscher Lloyd and Hamburg America Lines threatened to encroach into Cunard and White Star's competition with the launch and maiden voyages of the ''Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse'' and ''Deuschland'', two liners of unprecedented size, speed (with ''Kaiser'' running at a then-unheard-of speed of 22.35 knots (Just over 41km/h or almost 26mph), and ''Deuschland'' traveling even faster) and luxury. In response, the Cunard Line (that had always placed speed and ''reliability'' as paramount for their ships) produced the 787 and 790-foot long ''Lusitania'' and ''Mauretania'' in 1907, with top speeds of over 24 knots, thanks to their four turbine engines (the first class of ocean liners to be exclusively turbine-driven, after the comparative experiment with Cunard's liners ''Carmania'' and ''Caronia'' over the cost-effectiveness of the turbine in 1905) and the largest liners in the world both in physical size and mass (the empty shell of the ''Lusitania'' at launch outweighed the fully outfitted ''Kaiser'' by 2,000 gross tons), as well as among the first to have elevators (or "lifts" as the British know them) for passengers.
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But in the late 1890s, the Norddeutscher Lloyd and Hamburg America Lines threatened to encroach into Cunard and White Star's competition with the launch and maiden voyages of the ''Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse'' and ''Deuschland'', ''Deutschland'', two liners of unprecedented size, speed (with ''Kaiser'' running at a then-unheard-of speed of 22.35 knots (Just over 41km/h or almost 26mph), and ''Deuschland'' ''Deutschland'' traveling even faster) and luxury. In response, the Cunard Line (that had always placed speed and ''reliability'' as paramount for their ships) produced the 787 and 790-foot long ''Lusitania'' and ''Mauretania'' in 1907, with top speeds of over 24 knots, thanks to their four turbine engines (the first class of ocean liners to be exclusively turbine-driven, after the comparative experiment with Cunard's liners ''Carmania'' and ''Caronia'' over the cost-effectiveness of the turbine in 1905) and the largest liners in the world both in physical size and mass (the empty shell of the ''Lusitania'' at launch outweighed the fully outfitted ''Kaiser'' by 2,000 gross tons), as well as among the first to have elevators (or "lifts" as the British know them) for passengers.
11th Dec '15 2:52:33 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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Given that it wasn't the Britannic that Californian failed to help, I'm not so sure why this counts as karmic.
* KarmicDeath: SS ''Californian'' was torpedoed by a German U-boat during World War I and sank less than two hundred miles from where ''Titanic'''s sister ''Britannic'' would hit a mine the following year. To this day, its wreck has not been found.
23rd Nov '15 4:09:20 PM HamburgerTime
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** Most of the prominent members of the ship's other departments also died that day, including the Chief Steward, the Chief Engineer, the Purser, the Senior Wireless Operator, all but three of the Stoking Foremen, and even the owner of the onboard restaurant.
23rd Nov '15 4:02:00 PM HamburgerTime
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** Isidor and Ida Straus, who had easily secured lifeboat positions on account of their age, refused to leave for the same reason, not wanting to take an opportunity denied to younger people.

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* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Benjamin Guggenheim. His trip aboard the ''Titanic'' consisted largely of cheating on his wife with his mistress, but when the ship started to go down he made sure to save the female members of his party (including said mistress) and then decided to FaceDeathWithDignity, not wanting to take a place that would otherwise go to a woman or child.

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* MayDecemberRomance: John and Madeleine Astor, forty-eight and nineteen respectively. The reason they were in Europe in the first place was to attempt to wait out the media frenzy that resulted from their age difference, but they decided to go back when Madeleine got pregnant.
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