History UsefulNotes / RMSTitanic

23rd Jul '16 1:28:35 AM LtFedora
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* ExactTimeToFailure: Played straight and averted. Thomas Andrews gave the ship another ninety minutes when he saw the damage done, but the ship lasted a while two hours forty minutes.

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* ExactTimeToFailure: Played straight and averted. Thomas Andrews gave the ship another ninety minutes when he saw the damage done, but the ship lasted a while whole two hours forty minutes.
23rd Jul '16 1:22:05 AM LtFedora
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* ''Titanic: Honor and Glory'': An upcoming video game due for release in 2017. An Oxford graduate is accused of a crime he didn't commit and flees aboard the first ship out of Southampton, the ''Titanic''.
8th Jul '16 3:48:46 PM Cpt489
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* RammingAlwaysWorks: Many have suggested that had Officer Murdoch just kept going straight, the ship would have survived. These people are, pardon the colloquialism, [[SophisticatedAsHell pants-on-head retarded]] and should not be listened to for a multitude of reasons. The reasons for why this DefiedTrope is also an AvertedTrope are thus:

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* RammingAlwaysWorks: Many have suggested that had Officer Murdoch just kept going straight, the ship would have survived. These people are, pardon While [[http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9B0CE1DC1738E033A25752C1A9619C946697D6CF certain ships had survived head-on collisions with icebergs in the colloquialism, [[SophisticatedAsHell pants-on-head retarded]] past]] the Titanic's unprecedented size made it a different beast, and should not be listened to as such ramming the berg could have produced even more disastrous results for a multitude of reasons.the vessel. The reasons for why this DefiedTrope is also an AvertedTrope are thus:
25th Jun '16 3:10:53 AM passivesmoking
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** Arthur Rostron of the ''Carpathia'', who was by comparison the ideal British captain. He was firm, on amiable terms with his crew and passengers as well as being decisive, courageous and efficient in his command. Those were qualities dearly needed as the Captain who was the first to race to the ''Titanic'' on that horrible night of April 15, 1912.

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** Arthur Rostron of the ''Carpathia'', who was by comparison the ideal British captain. He was firm, on amiable terms with his crew and passengers as well as being decisive, courageous and efficient in his command. Those were qualities dearly needed as the Captain who was the first to race to the ''Titanic'' on that horrible night of April 15, 1912. The quality of his captaincy can be summarised by the simple fact that when initially informed of the news by his wireless operator, Rostron reeled off a huge list of things he thought needed to happen (Plot a course to the Titanic, Get the engines up and running, divert every last scrap of steam away from services such as hot water supply to the engines for extra speed, rig up lighting, rope ladders, cargo nets, etc along the side of the ship for rescue operations, prepare the saloons as makeshift triage areas, have hot drinks and brandy ready for survivors, swing the boats out in preparation for rescue operations, wake up the off-duty lookouts to provide an additional watch on the ship's prow, etc), and only after reeling off these orders did he then ask his wireless operator to go back and confirm what he had heard. The praise he received for his actions that night is well deserved.
23rd Jun '16 9:20:57 PM e-mlodik
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* ''Atlantic'' (1929): A very early talkie and of the first sound British films. The film is a very loose adaptation of the sinking, based on a contemporary play titled ''The Berg''. Due to a threatening letter from White Star Line, the original studio that released the film changed the ship's name (and subsequently the film's title) to a fictional "SS Atlantic." The film, while a bit primitive and sloppily made on a low budget, can be seen a very early prototype of the DisasterFilm sub-genre, establishing various tropes and cliches that would be imitated in the decades to follow. Like many talkies of the time, this film was shot four times with four different casts in four separate languages; English, German, French, and Italian. This was common before dubbing came to popularity as a more cost-effective way to release sound films internationally.

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* ''Atlantic'' (1929): A very early talkie and of the first sound British films. The film is a very loose adaptation of the sinking, based on a contemporary play titled ''The Berg''. Due to a threatening letter from White Star Line, the original studio that released the film changed the ship's name (and subsequently the film's title) to a fictional "SS Atlantic." The film, while a bit primitive and sloppily made on a low budget, can be seen as a very early prototype of the DisasterFilm DisasterMovie sub-genre, establishing various tropes and cliches that would be imitated by subsequent films in the decades to follow. Like many talkies of the time, this film was shot four times with four different casts in four separate languages; English, German, French, and Italian. This was common before dubbing came to popularity as a more cost-effective way to release sound films internationally.
23rd Jun '16 9:18:44 PM e-mlodik
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* ''Film/{{Titanic|1943}}'': A 1943 melodrama made in Nazi Germany as an anti-British propaganda piece. However, the film was promptly censored and withdrawn after scenes of disaster and panic turned out to be a hot bed for UnfortunateImplications and it was banned in Germany by Joseph Goebbels. The film established many conventions and clichés that were followed up by future ''Titanic'' films, like interweaving a fictional love story amongst real historical events and portraying J. Bruce Ismay as the villain. It also takes some weird liberties with the facts for the sake of propaganda--in this film ''Titanic'' is the fastest ship in the world, John Jacob Astor is plotting a hostile takeover of White Star Line and Ismay pushes Capt. Smith to go faster than necessary in an attempt to raise White Star stock prices to fight off the takeover. (Making the heroic ship's officer a fictional German doesn't help.) The special effects, using a model 6 meters long, were good enough to be reused in ''A Night to Remember'' however.

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* ''Atlantic'' (1929): A very early talkie and of the first sound British films. The film is a very loose adaptation of the sinking, based on a contemporary play titled ''The Berg''. Due to a threatening letter from White Star Line, the original studio that released the film changed the ship's name (and subsequently the film's title) to a fictional "SS Atlantic." The film, while a bit primitive and sloppily made on a low budget, can be seen a very early prototype of the DisasterFilm sub-genre, establishing various tropes and cliches that would be imitated in the decades to follow. Like many talkies of the time, this film was shot four times with four different casts in four separate languages; English, German, French, and Italian. This was common before dubbing came to popularity as a more cost-effective way to release sound films internationally.
* ''Film/{{Titanic|1943}}'': A 1943 melodrama made in Nazi Germany as an anti-British propaganda piece. However, the film was promptly censored and withdrawn after scenes of disaster and panic turned out to be a hot bed for UnfortunateImplications and it was banned in Germany by Joseph Goebbels. The Taking cues from the earlier 1929 version, this film further established and cemented many conventions and clichés cliches that were followed up by future ''Titanic'' films, like interweaving a fictional love story amongst real historical events and portraying J. Bruce Ismay as the villain. It also takes some weird liberties with the facts for the sake of propaganda--in this film ''Titanic'' is the fastest ship in the world, John Jacob Astor is plotting a hostile takeover of White Star Line and Ismay pushes Capt. Smith to go faster than necessary in an attempt to raise White Star stock prices to fight off the takeover. (Making the heroic ship's officer a fictional German doesn't help.) The special effects, using a model 6 meters long, were good enough to be reused in ''A Night to Remember'' however.



* The VisualNovel ''VisualNovel/NineHoursNinePersonsNineDoors'' is set on the restored ''Britannic'' (though it's identified by its UrbanLegend name "Gigantic"). [[spoiler:Actually, while a backstory event takes place on the actual restored ''Britannic'', the events of the game take place in a replica built in a building in the desert of Nevada.]] References to the ''Titanic'''s sinking as well as the ''Britannic'''s own are prevalent, including correctly identifying the ''Carpathia'''s role.

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* The VisualNovel ''VisualNovel/NineHoursNinePersonsNineDoors'' is set on the restored ''Britannic'' (though it's identified by its UrbanLegend name "Gigantic"). [[spoiler:Actually, while a backstory event takes place on the actual restored ''Britannic'', the events of the game take place in a replica built in a building in the desert of Nevada.]] References to the ''Titanic'''s ''Titanic's'' sinking as well as the ''Britannic'''s ''Britannic's'' own are prevalent, including correctly identifying the ''Carpathia'''s role.
3rd Jun '16 1:56:22 PM spiritsunami
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* The VisualNovel ''VisualNovel/NineHoursNinePersonsNineDoors'' is set on the restored ''Britannic'' (though it's identified by its UrbanLegend name "Gigantic"). [[spoiler:Actually, while a backstory event takes place on the actual restored ''Britannic'', the events of the game take place in a replica built in a building in the desert of Nevada.]] References to the ''Titanic'''s sinking as well as the ''Britannic'''s own are prevalent, including correctly identifying the ''Carpathia'''s role.
28th May '16 7:22:00 AM portraitinflesh42
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It was in this environment that the middle child, ''Titanic'', rose to the prominence. On her maiden voyage, starting at Southampton, England and Cherbourg, France on April 10th before going off to Queenstown (now Cobh), Ireland, she was loaded with not only hundreds of emmigrants from both the Continent and the British Isles, but the wealthiest aristocrats, by title or by position, on both sides of the Atlantic. These included big names such as John Jacob Astor IV, heir to the Astor Railroad fortune and his barely 19-year old bride Madeleine returning home from their extended honeymoon (and to wait out the scandal involving JJ's divorce and marriage to a younger woman... and to ensure that their unborn child was born on American soil). As well as the Strauses, Isidor and Ida, co-owners of the world-famous Macy's Department Store in New York, along with scores of other members of the 1912 rich and famous. White Star was also represented on board, with managing director J. Bruce Ismay and Harland & Wolff's head designer Thomas Andrews traveling to observe the general performance of the new ship.

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It was in this environment that the middle child, ''Titanic'', rose to the prominence. On her maiden voyage, starting at Southampton, England and Cherbourg, France on April 10th before going off to Queenstown (now Cobh), Ireland, she was loaded with not only hundreds of emmigrants from both the Continent and the British Isles, but the wealthiest aristocrats, by title or by position, on both sides of the Atlantic. These included big names such as John Jacob Astor IV, heir to the Astor Railroad fortune and his barely 19-year old bride Madeleine returning home from their extended honeymoon (and to wait out the scandal involving JJ's divorce and marriage to a younger woman... and to ensure that their unborn child was born on American soil). As well as the Strauses, Isidor and Ida, co-owners of the world-famous Macy's Department Store in New York, along with scores of other members of the 1912 rich and famous. White Star was also represented on board, with managing director J. Bruce Ismay and Harland & Wolff's head designer Thomas Andrews traveling to observe the general performance of the new ship.
10th May '16 11:03:20 AM Flawedspirit
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** ForWantOfANail: One of the bridge officers had been fired shortly before the ''Titanic'' sailed and accidentally (or purposefully; who knows?) took the key for the locker containing the lookouts' binoculars with him. With binoculars, the iceberg would probably have been detected early enough for the ship to miss it completely. Unfortunately, the lookouts were forced to rely on their vision alone, on a moonless night no less.

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** * ForWantOfANail: One of the bridge officers had been fired shortly before the ''Titanic'' sailed and accidentally (or purposefully; who knows?) took the key for the locker containing the lookouts' binoculars with him. With binoculars, the iceberg would probably have been detected early enough for the ship to miss it completely. Unfortunately, the lookouts were forced to rely on their vision alone, on a moonless night no less.
10th May '16 11:02:05 AM Flawedspirit
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** ForWantOfANail: One of the bridge officers had been fired shortly before the ''Titanic'' sailed and accidentally (or purposefully; who knows?) took the key for the locker containing the lookouts' binoculars with him. With binoculars, the iceberg would probably have been detected early enough for the ship to miss it completely. Unfortunately, the lookouts were forced to rely on their vision alone, on a moonless night no less.
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