History UsefulNotes / RMSTitanic

10th Feb '18 3:57:04 AM tsstevens
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* ConspiracyTheory: A mild one crops up about the California: the most commonly accepted story is that the ship's radio operator had turned in for the night and the distress flares were taken by witnesses as celebratory fireworks. However rumors abound of a mysterious third ship in between the Titanic and the California. Reality suggests this is either a trick of the light and an illusion or there was a third ship, possibly the Norwegian sealer Samson there illegally or the SS Mount Temple but records debate this idea. Other more sinister theories abound; a ghost ship, the wrath of God for the aforementioned BlasphemusBoast, a cursed car on board already responsible for numerous deaths.
30th Jan '18 5:30:06 AM Aurelian
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** A number of survivors, such as Jack Thayer, reported that ''Titanic'' broke in half before it sank, but were disbelieved. They were vindicated when the wreck was discovered in two main pieces in 1985.
27th Jan '18 2:48:34 PM Aurelian
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** In fairness to Smith, all of those incidents were relatively minor and involved no loss of life.

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** In fairness to Smith, all of those incidents were relatively minor and involved no loss of life. ''Olympic'' was under compulsory pilotage in the Solent when the collision with the ''Hawke'' happened, and the pilot was officially blamed for it. A number of eyewitnesses actually felt the ''Hawke'' was at fault.
27th Jan '18 2:42:20 PM Aurelian
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* CaptainCrash: First [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Smith_(sea_captain) Edward Smith]] was captain when a ship called the RMS ''Olympic'' nearly destroyed a tugboat that was guiding it into dock. Later on, it collided with a British warship. Then ''Olympic'' lost a propeller blade and she returned to her builder for emergency repairs. Then he was captain when a ship called the RMS ''[[UsefulNotes/RMSTitanic Titanic]]''.

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* CaptainCrash: First [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Smith_(sea_captain) Edward Smith]] was captain when a ship called of the RMS ''Olympic'' when it nearly destroyed a tugboat that was guiding it into dock. Later on, it collided with a British warship. Then ''Olympic'' lost a propeller blade and she returned to her builder for emergency repairs. Then he was captain when of a ship called the RMS ''[[UsefulNotes/RMSTitanic Titanic]]''.Titanic]]''.
** In fairness to Smith, all of those incidents were relatively minor and involved no loss of life.



** A more mundane explanation for ''Carpathia's'' speed is that ''Titanic'' was actually 13 miles east of her distress position (something only discovered when the wreck was located in 1985) and hence somewhat nearer ''Carpathia'' than everyone thought. Rostron was not expecting to see the first lifeboat when he did, and just assumed they had covered the 58 miles in that time.

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** A more mundane explanation for ''Carpathia's'' remarkable speed is that ''Titanic'' was actually 13 miles east of her distress position (something only discovered when the wreck was located in 1985) and hence somewhat nearer ''Carpathia'' than everyone thought. Rostron was not expecting to see the first lifeboat when he did, and just assumed they had covered the 58 miles in that time.
27th Jan '18 2:35:10 PM Aurelian
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** ''Californian'' captain Stanley Lord was accused of this among other things due to the fact that his ship, ''Californian,'' would have reached ''Titanic'' over an hour before she finally sank, saving many lives that otherwise were lost, had he not feared striking an iceberg himself. Lord's behavior was widely criticized as inexcusably cowardly, and he spent the rest of his life trying to defend his actions.
26th Jan '18 3:10:57 PM Aurelian
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** So the story goes, ''Carpathia'' and her crew were moving with such feverish intensity, that the passengers began to believe that the ship must be on fire and dashing towards help.

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** So the story goes, ''Carpathia'' and her crew were moving with such feverish intensity, that the passengers began to believe that the ship must be on fire and dashing towards help.hell.
** A more mundane explanation for ''Carpathia's'' speed is that ''Titanic'' was actually 13 miles east of her distress position (something only discovered when the wreck was located in 1985) and hence somewhat nearer ''Carpathia'' than everyone thought. Rostron was not expecting to see the first lifeboat when he did, and just assumed they had covered the 58 miles in that time.
14th Jan '18 6:09:48 PM Awsamazing
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''"[[Irony The Unsinkable]]."''
14th Jan '18 6:08:47 PM Awsamazing
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''"[[Irony The Unsinkable]]."''
8th Jan '18 10:45:40 PM LtFedora
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** A variation with Wallace Hartley, the bandleader. He had recently proposed to his fiancé, and although he was hesitant to leave her so soon, he signed on for entertaining on ''Titanic'' in the hope that it would provide potential contacts for future work.

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** A variation with Wallace Hartley, the bandleader. He had recently proposed to his fiancé, fiancée, and although he was hesitant to leave her so soon, he signed on for entertaining on ''Titanic'' in the hope that it would provide potential contacts for future work.
8th Jan '18 10:31:46 PM MasterofGalaxies4628
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* AgeGapRomance: John and Madeleine Astor, 48 and 19 respectively. The reason they were in Europe in the first place was to attempt to wait out the media frenzy that resulted from Astor's divorce and their age difference, but they decided to go back when Madeleine got pregnant.



** It is often said that J.P. Morgan, the banker and financier who controlled International Mercantile Marine, White Star's ultimate parent company, also planned to be on board but made a late cancellation. However, this is probably an urban myth.[[note]]Morgan had already accepted an invitation to be in Venice on 25th April for the unveiling of St Mark's campanile (which he duly attended). It therefore would have been impractical for him to be in America on April 17, when he would have had to return to Europe almost immediately for his planned visit to Venice. Moreover, Morgan's habit was to remain in Europe for the first half of the year, before returning to America after June.[[/note]]
*** As one article quipped, "there were more people that survived by missing the boat than were one the ship!"
* AgeGapRomance: John and Madeleine Astor, 48 and 19 respectively. The reason they were in Europe in the first place was to attempt to wait out the media frenzy that resulted from Astor's divorce and their age difference, but they decided to go back when Madeleine got pregnant.
* MeaningfulName: The first two ships of the ''Olympic'' Class were named after generations of gods from Myth/ClassicalMythology

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** It is often said that J.P. Morgan, the banker and financier who controlled International Mercantile Marine, White Star's ultimate parent company, also planned to be on board but made a late cancellation. However, this is probably an urban myth.[[note]]Morgan had already accepted an invitation to be in Venice on 25th April 25 for the unveiling of St Mark's campanile (which he duly attended). It therefore would have been impractical for him to be in America on April 17, when he would have had to return to Europe almost immediately for his planned visit to Venice. Moreover, Morgan's habit was to remain in Europe for the first half of the year, before returning to America after June.[[/note]]
*** As one article quipped, "there were more people that survived by missing the boat than were one on the ship!"
* AgeGapRomance: John and Madeleine Astor, 48 and 19 respectively. The reason they were in Europe in the first place was to attempt to wait out the media frenzy that resulted from Astor's divorce and their age difference, but they decided to go back when Madeleine got pregnant.
* MeaningfulName: The first two ships of the ''Olympic'' Class were named after generations of gods from Myth/ClassicalMythologyMyth/ClassicalMythology:



* AMillionIsAStatistic: The death toll was just over one thousand, five hundred men, women, and children. Even though there are whole towns on both sides of the Atlantic that are smaller than that, it's hard to picture that many dead bodies bobbing in the sea, until you read up on some of the victims, especially the more unknown individuals.

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* AMillionIsAStatistic: The death toll was just over one thousand, five hundred 1,500 men, women, and children. Even though there are whole towns on both sides of the Atlantic that are smaller than that, it's hard to picture that many dead bodies bobbing in the sea, until you read up on some of the victims, especially the more unknown individuals.



** As ''Titanic'' was leaving Southampton, its powerful suction pulled a nearby vessel, the ''SS City of New York'', from its moorings and towards the bigger ship. A collision was narrowly averted when Captain Smith ordered ''Titanic'''s port propeller into reverse; the resulting wash pushed the ''New York'' away from ''Titanic'', allowing several tugs to manouevre the ''New York'' out of harm's away. Strangely, despite the drama and clearly ominious nature of the incident, it is usually omitted from dramatizations of the disaster.

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** As ''Titanic'' was leaving Southampton, its powerful suction pulled a nearby vessel, the ''SS City of New York'', from its moorings and towards the bigger ship. A collision was narrowly averted when Captain Smith ordered ''Titanic'''s port propeller into reverse; the resulting wash pushed the ''New York'' away from ''Titanic'', allowing several tugs to manouevre maneuver the ''New York'' out of harm's away. Strangely, despite the drama and clearly ominious ominous nature of the incident, it is usually omitted from dramatizations of the disaster.



## The ships that have been cited as having survived a head-on collision with an iceberg were all either much smaller in mass than ''Titanic'', moving much slower than ''Titanic'', or some combination of the two. As a thought experiment, imagine a minivan hitting a reinforced cement bridge support at thirty miles an hour. Violent, but a reasonable chance for survival with something resembling a car afterward. Now, imagine a fully loaded 18-wheeler hitting the same support at ''sixty'' miles an hour. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSPjC1Ek7vA Not a pretty sight, is it?]] Furthermore, they don't take into account that modern ships are welded together, whereas ''Titanic'' was held together by rivets. Had ''Titanic'' hit the iceberg as suggested, the whole ship would have folded like an accordion, opening the seams of the plates from stem to stern, resulting in the ship sinking in minutes, rather than hours.

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## The ships that have been cited as having survived a head-on collision with an iceberg were all either much smaller in mass than ''Titanic'', moving much slower than ''Titanic'', or some combination of the two. As a thought experiment, imagine a minivan hitting a reinforced cement bridge support at thirty miles an hour.30 mph. Violent, but a reasonable chance for survival with something resembling a car afterward. Now, imagine a fully loaded 18-wheeler hitting the that same support at ''sixty'' miles an hour.''60'' mph. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSPjC1Ek7vA Not a pretty sight, is it?]] Furthermore, they don't take into account that modern ships are welded together, whereas ''Titanic'' was held together by rivets. Had ''Titanic'' hit the iceberg as suggested, the whole ship would have [[AccordionMan folded like an accordion, accordion]], opening the seams of the plates from stem to stern, resulting in the ship sinking in minutes, rather than hours.



** A variation with Wallace Hartley, the bandleader. He had recently proposed to his fiancée, and although he was hesitant to leave her so soon, he signed on for entertaining on ''Titanic'' in the hope that it would provide potential contacts for future work.
* SquareCubeLaw: ''Titanic'' and giant liners were built in part to exploit a variant of this concept. The bigger a ship is, the less proportional area has to be dedicated to things like machinery and coal spaces. A liner with double the displacement of another vessel could hold several times as many passengers and was typically several times more profitable. This is also why she didn't have enough lifeboats (if / ''when'' she had more boats than required). Laws required lifeboats based on the tonnage of the ship rather than passenger capacity, and those laws were made using calculations on much smaller and less efficient ships.

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** A variation with Wallace Hartley, the bandleader. He had recently proposed to his fiancée, fiancé, and although he was hesitant to leave her so soon, he signed on for entertaining on ''Titanic'' in the hope that it would provide potential contacts for future work.
* SquareCubeLaw: ''Titanic'' and giant liners were built in part to exploit a variant of this concept. The bigger a ship is, the less proportional area has to be dedicated to things like machinery and coal spaces. A liner with double the displacement of another vessel could hold several times as many passengers and was typically several times more profitable. This is also why she didn't have enough lifeboats (if / ''when'' she had more boats than required). Laws of the time required lifeboats based on the tonnage of the ship rather than passenger capacity, and those laws were made using calculations on much smaller and less efficient ships.



--> "I cannot imagine any condition which would cause a ship to founder. I cannot conceive of any vital disaster happening to this vessel. Modern shipbuilding has gone beyond that..."

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--> "I -->''"I cannot imagine any condition which would cause a ship to founder. I cannot conceive of any vital disaster happening to this vessel. Modern shipbuilding has gone beyond that...""''



* TimTaylorTechnology:
** Courtesy of how steam engines run. When Captain Rostron of the ''Carpathia'' learned that the ''Titanic'' was in trouble, he immediately ordered all available power diverted to the propellers. Chief Engineer Johnston accomplished this by shutting off steam, hot water, and electricity to non-essential portions of the ship. Every available fireman began shoveling coal into the boiler furnaces as if their own lives depended on it, and all the steam pressure safety valves [[ExplosiveOverclocking were closed off]]. ''Carpathia's'' fastest rated speed was 14 knots (16 mph), [[WhatAPieceOfJunk and her engines were already 10 years old and due for an overhaul...]] but she was coaxed up to [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome 17.5 knots (20.1 mph) that fateful night]], shaving nearly an hour off her mad dash to the sinking ''Titanic''. The engines of the ''Carpathia'' [[HeroicRROD would never achieve that speed again]] over the course of her life.

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When Captain Rostron of the ''Carpathia'' learned that the ''Titanic'' was in trouble, he immediately ordered all available power diverted to the propellers. Chief Engineer Johnston accomplished this by shutting off steam, hot water, and electricity to non-essential portions of the ship. Every available fireman began shoveling coal into the boiler furnaces as if their own lives depended on it, and all the steam pressure safety valves [[ExplosiveOverclocking were closed off]]. ''Carpathia's'' fastest rated speed was 14 knots (16 mph), [[WhatAPieceOfJunk and her engines were already 10 years old and due for an overhaul...]] but she was coaxed up to [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome 17.5 knots (20.1 mph) that fateful night]], shaving nearly an hour off her mad dash to the sinking ''Titanic''. The engines of the ''Carpathia'' [[HeroicRROD would never achieve that speed again]] over the course of her life.
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